@zeltrax225:

Translation didn't make me see how Hiyori family treated her in a better light.
Must be nice to be a backup plan and be knowingly put through suffering for years, hmm
Why couldn't she time flash them both and have her stay out of Kaidou sight and the entire war if she was to be a back up plan?
Instead she was put into danger in a situation of poverty and when she could die anytime.
Flash forward 20 years and I don't see a difference.
Current situation if she and Momo dies in this arc, it doesn't even matter.
How is she a back up plan if she is going to get involved in 20 years anyway.

There was no reason for her to suffer for 20 years.
Such a bad taste to an otherwise good flashback.

There is a difference because it isn't that straightforward.

It is probably the first time Toki is using her powers to send people into the future. She had only sent herself before.

So, it is not 100% that it would be successful. What if they somehow got stuck in a time-space reality. Or end up being 25, 30 years later instead of 20. Or if they time travelled 20 years but ended up being in some other place than Wano and could not find their way back in time or die before they find Wano. These are all the possibilities that could happen,and why someone had to stay back as a backup plan, just in case for some reason they do not appear after the 20 years.

so that she would be able to take the lead and tell the "someone who appears to take down Kaidou after 20years" what had happened and help them to take down Kaidou on her own with the remaining scabbards.

@Zeorn:

To be fair Kaido is the demon/ogre of this tale and lives on Demon Island and Kiku wears a demon mask.

Kaido and his demon island is reference to a famous fairy tale about Momotaro, but in this case I'd say Momonosuke. In the story Momotaro travels to the island of demons, picking up 3 companions along the way, a dog, a monkey, and a pheasant. They defeat the demons/ogres and save the day.

Now there are 2 ways I'm thinking this will play out.

Of course the original Admirals were named in reference to these 3. But maybe Momotaronosuke has his own Monkey D. Luffy, Inuarashi (Dogstorm), and now we only need a pheasant. As for who might be Kiji (pheasant), who has wings and a hidden identity? None other than the Calamities own King, and his name is written キング. In English King and Kiji look different but the n (ン) and ji (ジ) in katakana are only 1 stroke different if you ignore the dakuten (small quotation mark things). Under King's mask is a bird beak!

Or M****omonosuke + Luffytaro = Momotaro, in other words they work together to defeat Kaido because lets be honest, Momonosuke isn't defeating Kaido, that's Luffy's job.

Another side-note. The Kitetsu blades, Sandai Kitetsu which Zoro uses and Nidai Kitetsu which Luffy is borrowing are written 鬼徹 which means Demon Piercer.

Okay, I'm finished having fun.

pheasant could be Marco, it is highly likely he will appear even though he said he wouldn't since Cat has not appeared either

@MiyamotoMusashi:

Which is the point. Kaidou after Roger was more driven and not disillusioned.

I mean kinemon said it happened 20 years ago before they got sent into the future. So kaidou was already interested in one piece then. Whether he's more interested or driven after that is a different thing.

But ppl keep saying kaidou is just bored even now, that's why he is still in wano.

@MiyamotoMusashi:

20 years ago my man

20 years ago so what? Kinemon is also from 20 years ago and he's the one who said that.

@MiyamotoMusashi:

I will certainly agree that Oda shifted his focus towards the antagonists more beyond simply being symbolical contrasts to Luffy in comparison to pre-TS with Doflamingo and Big Mom getting a background, but Kaidou has completely played second fiddle to Orochi, with his main motivation being "i am bored", seems empty.

Kaidous main motivation is not he is bored. He is also interested in the one piece and knows oden knows something about it. It was stated by kinemon back in zou, I don't know why so many people forgot about it or overlooked it.

Roger could have been the first to reach lodestar but that was like twenty over years ago. More ppl have probably reached or known about it, especially Kaido and big mom. We know that both kaidou and big mom are also interested in becoming the pirate King and finding one piece but they don't seem bothered about following the log pose and are both sitting on one road poneglyph each, which means they also know about the "path that is beyond lodestar" as what dog told nami

@Captain:

I'm starting to get worried, I have faith in Oda but the fact that Kaido is pretty much invincible and that Orochi is dangerously wise to danger will reach the point of the Straw Hats running out of ways to win the day without any bullshit.

Ur not wrong, Oda had already hinted this will be a large scale war comparable to marine Ford war

And we already have hints that the marines will probably make a move to wano also

@Lucky:

This chapter was a decent "cool down" after all the action we had last chapter overall. I have no issue with this chapter.

However, it does touch on something that I feel is a missed opportunity with One Piece as a whole. I'm referring to the page where the prisoners are questioning if Luffy can really be trusted, due to his being a pirate. Only to have Momonosuke end that uncertainty immediately. Now, I understand why Oda downplays the fact that his protagonists are outlaws. But I often wonder what interesting directions this series could go in if that aspect of the story wasn't de-emphasized as much. Attempting to live as a wanted criminal isn't easy, having that as an obstacle for the main characters could present some intriguing conflict, like the example I mentioned before in this chapter. It's not a big deal, the page I cite from this chapter just brings up "what could have been" possibilities I like to think about.

no possibilities are required, because it doesnt matter whether the prisoners trust him or not. all along since the start, most of the villagers the straw hats have saved did not really trust pirates but they still went ahead and did their stuff.

Hawkins : tell me your plans, Law
Law: heh heh heh.. I will tell you everything.. tells everything
Law: but do you think that Luffy will follow the plan? You have no idea!

@Deicide:

I don't think this is just a memory loss.

Big Mom fell in the ocean and then lost her memory. As a devil fruit user, she should have sunk and died, there's something wrong in all this.

Why did we get all that backstory on Mother Caramel? Why was the portrait of Caramel important? Why damaging it affected Big Mom?

Why were Big Mom's powers shut down completely during her flashback?

I think Big Mom is actually a gestalt of Caramel and the young Lilin, and Caramel is in control most of the time. Falling into the ocean shut down the DF powers, so Caramel went dormant (I wouldn't be surprised if her soul is in the portrait or in the hat).

I'm betting on all that soulstone bindings not stopping Big Mom's, because she's not a real DF user. Her things will still have power, and she will still be strong as hell.

Big Mom's final defeat may not be a physical one, but Caramel's soul being exorcized or destroyed, and an amnesiac, caring (but dangerous) young Lilin personality remaining, with her sons having to take care of her.

I agree with you, I feel that Big Mom having dual personalities and suddenly falling asleep actually have been foreshadowed in the story before…. in the form of Cavendish and Hakuba. When Habuka tries to take over the main body but Cavendish is trying to prevent him from doing so and locked in a stalemate, he falls asleep, and vice versa.

Cant help but feel this is too similar with what Big Mom and O-Lin is facing - Queen's attack on the head allowed Big Mom (Hakuba) to surface temporarily, but O-Lin (Cavendish) is still sort of conscious and trying to prevent Big Mom from completely taking over - and thus the inner fight causes the main body to fall asleep.