I'm trying to see Jinbe crying with Luffy helping or encouraging him, but its not popping up from memory. I think he cried when Nami told him not to apologize. Luffy was sleeping lol.
Oda did a remix and Luffy's crying as Jinbe is helping him.
Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)
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I'm trying to see Jinbe crying with Luffy helping or encouraging him, but its not popping up from memory. I think he cried when Nami told him not to apologize. Luffy was sleeping lol.
Oda did a remix and Luffy's crying as Jinbe is helping him.
And if Jinbe crying while Nami reassuring him while with Luffy doesn't count, then I'm sure Jinbe donating blood can. That along with Jinbe's belief that Luffy will help better fish-Man and human relations is definitely a profound emotional moment that I think strengthened their bond further if it hadn't been already.
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I'm trying to see Jinbe crying with Luffy helping or encouraging him, but its not popping up from memory. I think he cried when Nami told him not to apologize. Luffy was sleeping lol.
Oda did a remix and Luffy's crying as Jinbe is helping him.
I think Jinbe guarding Luffy in Marineford and later helping him put himself together as a powerful substitute. Jinbe is a special case in that he's the one who saved Luffy (more than once), and not the opposite. Even in Fishman Island, it feels like Jinbe could solve the situation on his own, but chose to let Luffy and the crew be the heroes because he wanted to show humans in a good light for the citizens. In a way, Jinbe saw the greatness in Luffy on his own, rather than requiring a trauma to shake him off disbelief.
(Then again, I did have some trouble accepting Jinbe as a future crewmate. I feel he's a very special case anyway.)
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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I think Jinbe guarding Luffy in Marineford and later helping him put himself together as a powerful substitute. Jinbe is a special case in that he's the one who saved Luffy (more than once), and not the opposite. Even in Fishman Island, it feels like Jinbe could solve the situation on his own, but chose to let Luffy and the crew be the heroes because he wanted to show humans in a good light for the citizens. In a way, Jinbe saw the greatness in Luffy on his own, rather than requiring a trauma to shake him off disbelief.
(Then again, I did have some trouble accepting Jinbe as a future crewmate. I feel he's a very special case anyway.)
Ah right, in addition to Jinbe crying when Ace died just as Luffy was also crying, but also not developing a close emotional bond with him just because he was Ace's brother either.
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Is not just about the to-join person crying, is also about Luffy being invested, and he never was in the Perospero narrative.
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Not just Nami treatment. All the Straw Hats have had emotional scenes showing them cry and their vulnerability in relation to Luffy's story at some point, like Zoro crying in his proclaimed dedication to Luffy or Sanji crying as he's leaving Baratie for Luffy. I don't know, I just feel that it's scenes like that which can help strengthen the bond between Luffy and his crew more, and while Yamato has cried like during Luffy releasing her from her cuffs, it's cut short as soon as Luffy turns his attention to something else, so I'd imagine some bigger emotional scene would happen at the end of the arc.
The problem that I see with that is the focus. The entire scene seems more like Yamato crying of anger towards Kaido than gratitude towards Luffy. You may read it differently, and one thing does not impede Yamato from feeling gratitude, but Yamato's words are all of resentment towards his father. Plus, there's never that big focus you see in all the Straw Hat examples posted earlier. In all of those scenes, the character is facing/speaking/promising something to Luffy. Not here.
It's small subjective signals like those that make me doubt Yamato joining. Luffy's annoyed by his request, for example. There always seems to be a subjective barrier between him and Luffy.
Not to say there's no scene in which they seem closer. One comes to mind: when Yamato says Luffy want to fight Kaido alone, and Luffy smiles. That's one in a positive direction.
Fundamentally, I think the thing to remember is that different characters express their emotions in different ways and at different times.
There are plenty of situations in which I'd expect Yamato to get emotional, but by and large, I don't think the middle of a warzone is that kind of place for him. Rather, it's a place where he's in his element.
Yams is Kaidou's son and, if nothing else, that means he has presumably been raised as a warrior from birth. He's been specifically preparing for this fight for 20 years and is intimately familiar with the layout of Onigashima, he has a level of strength and self-confidence that enables him to meaningfully affect the outcome of whatever situation he involves himself in, and the foresight to recognize potential problem-spots on the proverbial battlefield (Kaidou being free to rampage uncontrolled, the flame clouds supporting Onigashima starting to fail, the need to neutralize the explosives in the armory, etc.) that need to be urgently addressed. Yamato is focused, driven, and has a clear goal in mind. If there's any crying that needs to be done, I imagine he's the type to save it for after the battle is won.
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I could see Yamato crying at the defeat/death of his father - just because Kaidou was a bastard and he needed to be taken down doesn't mean his son cannot or should not mourn him.
I could see him crying at being recognized for his deeds by Momo and the Akazaya - being accepted by the samurai of Wano that his father claimed would always reject him.
I could see him crying at officially being inducted into the Strawhats - the end of twenty years of loneliness.
I could see him crying when paying a visit Ace's grave - closure for the loss of his friend.
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The pattern seeking phase of every next crewmate discussion is probably the most pointless one. Worse than the "role" phase.
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Is not just about the to-join person crying, is also about Luffy being invested, and he never was in the Perospero narrative.
Of course. That's essentially what I was attempting to refer to, partially having to do with Luffy feeling more invested as to feeling less invested.
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And if Jinbe crying while Nami reassuring him while with Luffy doesn't count, then I'm sure Jinbe donating blood can. That along with Jinbe's belief that Luffy will help better fish-Man and human relations is definitely a profound emotional moment that I think strengthened their bond further if it hadn't been already.
I count the remix, the blood, Nami getting him to cry, all of it. Goda knows how to write a story
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Not just Nami treatment. All the Straw Hats have had emotional scenes showing them cry and their vulnerability in relation to Luffy's story at some point, like Zoro crying in his proclaimed dedication to Luffy or Sanji crying as he's leaving Baratie for Luffy. I don't know, I just feel that it's scenes like that which can help strengthen the bond between Luffy and his crew more, and while Yamato has cried like during Luffy releasing her from her cuffs, it's cut short as soon as Luffy turns his attention to something else, so I'd imagine some bigger emotional scene would happen at the end of the arc.
Except Jimbei who never had that and it was actually the opposite where Luffy cried on his shoulders for emotional support when his brother died. Also wanna point out Zoro, Brook, Usopp, Robin and Nami didn't get tears moments with Luffy until after they joined, in some cases arcs long after. But yeah, you try and find those patterns that always seem to have an exception to the rule.
And it's not like Yamato is going to have to deal with any impending emotional suffering like her father dying or anything.
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For me, Yamato joining is obvious so what interests me the most is thinking about her future gag interactions with the crew.
My random predictions is that she'll form a perv trio with Sanji and Brook. I expect her to be as gullible as Chopper and be fooled by Usopp's lies. Same desire to go on adventure as Luffy is obvious. Being impressed by Franky's transformations contrary to the girls who are unfazed.
Interactions with Robin, Zoro and Jinbe are harder to guess since they don't interact much with the crew.
Bodyguard duo with Jimbei. The muscle of the crew.
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Except Jimbei who never had that and it was actually the opposite where Luffy cried on his shoulders for emotional support when his brother died. Also wanna point out Zoro, Brook, Usopp, Robin and Nami didn't get tears moments with Luffy until after they joined, in some cases arcs long after. But yeah, you try and find those patterns that always seem to have an exception to the rule.
And it's not like Yamato is going to have to deal with any impending emotional suffering like her father dying or anything.
Well again, Jinbe cried to Nami's forgiveness while also being thankful of Luffy having taken Arlong down. Kinda moot anyway at this point though since they've developed their emotional bonding since then in plenty other ways. I know it can be rather fruitless trying to find patterns to begin with since Oda likes changing things up to the point of being random, but even that all said, Luffy calls each of the Straw Hats his "friends" too. Is that too much of a pattern? If not, then I'm sure that can be a valid enough "pattern" to include Yamato in as well, whether it be crying tears of joy in seeing Oden's intentions fulfilled after Luffy helped out or however else.
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Well again, Jinbe cried to Nami's forgiveness while also being thankful of Luffy having taken Arlong down. Kinda moot anyway at this point though since they've developed their emotional bonding since then in plenty other ways. I know it can be rather fruitless trying to find patterns to begin with since Oda likes changing things up to the point of being random, but even that all said, Luffy calls each of the Straw Hats his "friends" too. Is that too much of a pattern? If not, then I'm sure that can be a valid enough "pattern" to include Yamato in as well, whether it be crying tears of joy in seeing Oden's intentions fulfilled after Luffy helped out or however else.
He invited Brook without knowing his name, invited Chopper while still referring to him as Reindeer and let Robin join out of obligation not friendship.
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For an objective list, I'd say:
- A flashback that's more in line with the desire to be a pirate than furthering a connection to samurai
None of the strawhats that have joined have had flashbacks more in line with the desire to be pirates. So why should that be a prerequisite for Yamato? Not Nami, not Zoro, not Chopper have had those before they joined. Except Brook since he was already a pirate in his flashback.
How exactly is this objective?
- A DF that was not so intrinsically tied to a role in Wano (I mean, the frostwolf thing would be perfectly fine if it wasn't explicitely stated to have that particular mythological role)
Again how is this objective?
Objective lists about what would point to someone joining a pirate crew shouldn't involve "not this".
This is like saying Zoro is a pirate hunter so he can not become a pirate.
Its already established what Yamato's DF is. Since when does a devil fruit dictates a characters journey?
Not to mention Luffy's gear 4th bounce man form has already been described to resemble a Wano guardian spirit.
This part of this alleged objective list just rang false to me.
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He invited Brook without knowing his name, invited Chopper while still referring to him as Reindeer and let Robin join out of obligation not friendship.
It's not just about him inviting them, but also what kind of relationship he has with them.
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None of the strawhats that have joined have had flashbacks more in line with the desire to be pirates.
None of them were beging to join in their first talk to Luffy, either.
So why should that be a prerequisite for Yamato? Not Nami, not Zoro, not Chopper have had those before they joined.
Because they, unlike Yamato, weren't asking to join in their first meeting. They had to be convinced by Luffy.
How exactly is this objective?
He asked for my opinion, I gave my opinion. It's objective because they were scenes that would objectively make me consider Yamato joining more seriously, in contrast with more subjective ways I explained later in the same post.
Again how is this objective?
It's objectively my opinion. What is your problem with my opinions?
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I know Oda is still gonna do what Oda is gonna do regardless of fan rankings but….
aside from Carrot maing a surprise placement at 8th place, the next minks down are Pedro at 61 and Bepo at 64 (Bepo notably part of Law's crew and around pre-minks) Kawammmatsu at 96... and those are notably all characters that have been IN relatively current arcs. Nekomamushi is 101, Wanda is 212, Inurashi is 217, Pekoms is 274, and then more falloff from there.
Event their villain Jack is only 184.
I know Oda will Oda and focus on any character he damn well pleases, but is it possible that the minks as a whole were just so poorly received he just chose to stop focusing on them unless they were already embedded into the Samurai story? Including their big sulong fight against jack, just leave it to the anime?
Obviously with Carrot placing in 8th he' going to give her more love at some point, maybe a cover story, or regular side cameos like Hancock gets, but by the time they saw how crazy popular she was he was already set on finishing that storybeat the way he was and just had no desire to give her a real fight?
I wouldn't even so much attribute it to popularity rankings and poor fan reception overall of the minks.
I just don't think Oda ever had long term plans involving set ups and payoffs for Carrot. It never read that way to me in story.
I feel her time to shine started and ended in WCI. I do get gow fans of her could have been fooled in to thinking there was more for her to do especially if they had her as a crewmate candidate after Pedro died but to me Oda seeded nothing in those regards. Nothing with Jack and nothing with Peros. The entire message with Carrot and keep moving forward seems to simply be get over it cuz he surely never intended for her to beat Peros (he would've made her a much stronger character initially if that's where he was going) and it wasn't revenge cuz he simply doesn't put that in a favorable light.
I guess it would've been better if Oda had left Carrot on Zou given she really hasn't done anything on Wano.
@Deicide:None of them were beging to join in their first talk to Luffy, either.
This is irrelvant.
You said this was objective but it doesn't fall in line with the other characters that have joined the strawhats.
I don't know why you're pretending Yamato wanting to join has anything to do with flashbacks pointing to a character wanting to be a pirate is not an objective sign on that list.
Because they, unlike Yamato, weren't asking to join in their first meeting. They had to be convinced by Luffy.
What does Yamato wanting to join Luffy have to do with his flashback with the samurai and nothing pointing to him wanting to be a pirate?
What does one thing have to do with the other? Amd please explain how that is objective
He asked for my opinion, I gave my opinion. It's objective because they were scenes that would objectively make me consider Yamato joining more seriously, in contrast with more subjective ways I explained later in the same post.
It's objectively my opinion. What is your problem with my opinions?
Oh I see.
You don't know what the word objective means and obviously not the word subjective is either.
You're using the word objective wrong several times.
Everything you just described about how your opinion would change is subjective.
Also I don't have a problem with your opinions. I just think they're wrong. I do have a problem with you presenting your opinions as objective points. That list is not objective. Saying something is your objective opinion is tantamount to a honest lie or some other contradictory nonsense. It's complete and utter bullshit given the lack of objectivity.
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If you can't endure different opinions, you should stay away from any discussion forums.
Since my opinion irritate some around here so much, maybe I should come here and state it more often, not less.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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I wouldn't make much of a deal of it since i understand what you meant, but an objective opinion sounds like a contradiction in terms.
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I wouldn't make much of a deal of it since i understand what you meant, but an objective opinion sounds like a contradiction in terms.
It's pretty clear in the original post that I gave my opinion divided in two parts: an "objective" list of events, and the "subjective" nature of certain scenes that we did get, but the themes behind them seemed to not go in the direction of joining. All within my opinion.
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@Zik:
I wouldn't even so much attribute it to popularity rankings and poor fan reception overall of the minks.
I just don't think Oda ever had long term plans involving set ups and payoffs for Carrot. It never read that way to me in story.
I feel her time to shine started and ended in WCI. I do get gow fans of her could have been fooled in to thinking there was more for her to do especially if they had her as a crewmate candidate after Pedro died but to me Oda seeded nothing in those regards. Nothing with Jack and nothing with Peros. The entire message with Carrot and keep moving forward seems to simply be get over it cuz he surely never intended for her to beat Peros (he would've made her a much stronger character initially if that's where he was going) and it wasn't revenge cuz he simply doesn't put that in a favorable light.
I guess it would've been better if Oda had left Carrot on Zou given she really hasn't done anything on Wano.
Pedro, Carrot, and Pekoms all helped out in some meaningful way at Whole Cake, and even got a dramatic scene out of it with Jinbe telling everyone to not let their guard down at Whole Cake even though Pedro got blown up. I'm sure the minks will get more meaningful stuff to work with in the story, because of the Kozuki, and the Dawn, and such, but in terms of what had been presented with Carrot and the others from what I've seen, it seems that alot of the set ups that had been there have been paid off and can't really think of greater purposes beyond that.
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If you can't endure different opinions, you should stay away from any discussion forums.
Since my opinion irritate some around here so much, maybe I should come here and state it more often, not less.
This isn't about enduring different opinions.
Its about you pretending your opinions are objective points.
Was that not clear in the initial reply?
Whether you post more or less here or anywhere on the forum is irrelevant.
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Please do, I like reading your posts the most after all
Cool! I like yours too! And Shift's!
It's cool to see how people think different. I may not agree, but I love to understand the logic. And, since I write in my native language, it's cool to see others' imagination and learn from it.
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I think if Yamato had never read Oden's logbook, she would have been a better candidate to join. I just can't see Oda putting someone on the crew who has so much more knowledge of the world than the Straw Hats have seen. Yamato would be better suited riding a dragon and showing momonosuke the world his dad saw, being like his tour guide or whatever
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I think if Yamato had never read Oden's logbook, she would have been a better candidate to join. I just can't see Oda putting someone on the crew who has so much more knowledge of the world than the Straw Hats have seen. Yamato would be better suited riding a dragon and showing momonosuke the world his dad saw, being like his tour guide or whatever
By Rayleigh's explanation, none of the Roger Pirates were scholarly enough to understand everything, so whatever Oden wrote down might be somewhat incomplete at best. The fact that Momo mentioned the Joy Boy and Zunesha link in the chapter released earlier today may mean that it's ok to have whatever they know be revealed to the readers to some extent as well, possibly for endgame lore that would be necessary to get into at this point.
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It's not just about him inviting them, but also what kind of relationship he has with them.
His relationship with Brook was funny skeleton he just met and with Robin, it was "Oh sure, i guess I owe you one."
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His relationship with Brook was funny skeleton he just met and with Robin, it was "Oh sure, i guess I owe you one."
Beyond that though, with Brook, there was also the revelation of his connection with Laboon and Luffy's desire to go back to him after waiting all these years, establishing a more solid link between Luffy and Brook through Luffy wanting to bring him back to Laboon one day, and Brook feeling glad to hear Laboon is alive after Luffy told him, as opposed to "Haha, lets recruit him just because he's a funny skeleton." and nothing more. The dynamic/link between Luffy and Brook definitely wasn't the same before that revelation, I'm sure is fair enough to say.
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I think if Yamato had never read Oden's logbook, she would have been a better candidate to join. I just can't see Oda putting someone on the crew who has so much more knowledge of the world than the Straw Hats have seen. Yamato would be better suited riding a dragon and showing momonosuke the world his dad saw, being like his tour guide or whatever
Momo and freaking Shinobi know what's in the journal now too. And Oden made it no priority to have his retainers destroy it. Whatever secrets it holds aren't that secret and everyone will know in a few hours anyway.
Also Robin and Jinbei both had way more advance knowledge of the world than Luffy. Robin knew about Sabo before Luffy did! It's fine for some of them to know a little more.
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His relationship with Brook was funny skeleton he just met and with Robin, it was "Oh sure, i guess I owe you one."
Luffy asking Brook initially was just a gag. Of course, it was foreshadowing, but at first there was only Luffy being silly after meeting an extraordinary person. In that same arc, Luffy was asking people willy-nilly to join the crew. What cemented Brook in the crew was the later revelation about Brook being Laboon's crewmate.
So, I find reducing the relationship with Brook to "just funny skeleton" a little reductive. One Piece can be silly, but it is a story with heart, and there was a lot of heart behind Brook joining the crew, even if the initial approach was silly.
As for Robin joining the crew, it was not just Robin asking to join. She had saved Luffy in Rainbase. She then betrayed Crocodile. And then saved Luffy again from Croc's poison. There was also Luffy saving her while she was asking to die. When she asked to join, Luffy didn't accepted just for the laughs, he assured everyone she was not a bad person, and, as Robin said, she had nowhere to go but the Merry.
Now, Yamato has been around for 57 chapters and his relationship with Luffy (or anyone in the crew) is still very superficial. I see Yamato building a relationship with Momo instead, to whom Yamato is constantly coming back, while his interactions with the crew have barely evolved in all that time. Chapter 1,040 even brought them back together, and their little chat shows their connection well. Momo already looks up to Yamato, and Yamato cares for Momo.
Everything the pro-Yamato fans were expecting has been avoided so far. They said Yamato would interact with the crew, and the story has actually avoided it actively. They said Yamato would get a flashback, and we got one that lasted a single chapter and actually deepened the respect of Yamato for the samurai. They expected Yamato to get his own fight, and he was left to do errands.
Sure, maybe it's up to the epilogue to fix everything and create a real bond between Luffy and Yamato, but those, for now, are hopes, not facts.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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Now, Yamato has been around for 57 chapters and his relationship with Luffy (or anyone in the crew) is still very superficial. I see Yamato building a relationship with Momo instead, to whom Yamato is constantly coming back, while his interactions with the crew have barely evolved in all that time. Chapter 1,040 even brought them back together, and their little chat shows their connection well. Momo already looks up to Yamato, and Yamato cares for Momo.
Everything the pro-Yamato fans were expecting has been avoided so far. They said Yamato would interact with the crew, and the story has actually avoided it actively. They said Yamato would get a flashback, and we got one that lasted a single chapter and actually deepened the respect of Yamato for the samurai. They expected Yamato to get his own fight, and he was left to do errands.
Sure, maybe it's up to the epilogue to fix everything and create a real bond between Luffy and Yamato, but those, for now, are hopes, not facts.
So things like Luffy and Yamato acknowledging each other's strengths and determinations, Luffy freeing Yamato from her physical chains, Yamato protecting someone Luffy trusted her to do, Yamato holding Kaido back after Luffy got knocked out, and Luffy smiling after Yamato understood he wanted to face Kaido one vs. one is the same as being very superficial. An interesting observation for sure.
I admit I don't know why the story has done things like having Yamato happening to pass by Robin and Brook in that one panel, but to claim ideas like Yamato admiring samurai as if that should completely invalidate other things like her wanting to go out with Luffy and the freedom to sail with him, as well as all the other things that have happened in the half a day that they've personally known each other, all things considered in the most respectable manner possible, may be considered superficial in of itself.
But hey, it's not like cremates like Robin had a limited number of interactions with Luffy before joining, or, wait a minute…
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So things like Luffy and Yamato acknowledging each other's strengths and determinations, Luffy freeing Yamato from her physical chains, Yamato protecting someone Luffy trusted her to do, Yamato holding Kaido back after Luffy got knocked out, and Luffy smiling after Yamato understood he wanted to face Kaido one vs. one is the same as being very superficial. An interesting observation for sure.
Luffy befriends lots of people over every arc. Luffy befriending someone does not a nakama make. You should be looking beyond the obvious.
I see Yamato hero-worshiping Luffy, but I don't see Luffy developing any special bond with Yamato.
I admit I don't know why the story has done things like having Yamato happening to pass by Robin and Brook in that one panel, but to claim ideas like Yamato admiring samurai as if that should completely invalidate other things like her wanting to go out with Luffy and the freedom to sail with him, as well as all the other things that have happened in the half a day that they've personally known each other, all things considered in the most respectable manner possible, may be considered superficial in of itself.
I never said anything "completely invalidates" anything else. Only that the story has done one thing more than the other. I never closed the door on Yamato joining. I'm just pointing out what the story has given us so far.
But hey, it's not like cremates like Robin had a limited number of interactions with Luffy before joining, or, wait a minute…
Robin is and will always be a special case. I don't see Yamato becoming a second Robin, because there will never be a second Robin. Pattern-searching only goes so far.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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Luffy asking Brook initially was just a gag. Of course, it was foreshadowing, but at first there was only Luffy being silly after meeting an extraordinary person. In that same arc, Luffy was asking people willy-nilly to join the crew.
If you think Luffy was just being silly and wasn't 100 % serious when he made those requests you don't understand Luffy at all and need to stop making any judgements about him.
Oda making a joke with Luffy isn't the same as Luffy joking. He decided on the spot Brook was joining, just like he did with Zoro and Sanji.
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If you think Luffy was just being silly and wasn't 100 % serious when he made those requests you don't understand Luffy at all and need to stop making any judgements about him.
Ida making a joke with Luffy isn't the same as Luffy joking. He decided on the spot Brook was joining, just like he did with Zoro and Sanju.
Well, Luffy also asked zombie-unicorn and zombie-tree to join. Of course Luffy was being serious in-character, but that was Oda making a joke.
Brook joining was something being built up ever since Luffy said he wanted a musician. Also, when Luffy met Laboon. Those were foreshadowing for Brook joining even before we learned of Brook's existance. There's so much more behind Brook joining than just "lol, he's a silly skeleton"!
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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Luffy befriends lots of people over every arc. Luffy befriending someone does not a nakama make. You should be looking beyond the obvious.
I see Yamato hero-worshiping Luffy, but I don't see Luffy developing any special bond with Yamato.
Then, when you put it like that, what goes beyond the obvious? What can and can't count as a special bond?
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Then, when you put it like that, what goes beyond the obvious? What can and can't count as a special bond?
Going back for Brook as a comparison, the moment Luffy really meant for his joining, and the crew stopped protesting, was when he learned Brook was Laboon's friend, that they maintained a promise for 50 years despite the odds.
I kinda expect something like that for a crewmate, a moment of realization that creates profound respect.
I'm talking a little meta here, about the story showing that moment to us, not just an in-character choice. For instance, I believe, given their personalities, that Luffy would allow Yamato on the crew if Yamato keeps insisting. Just like I see Luffy allowing Carrot if that's what she desires. Luffy wouldn't be a jerk and deny them.
My problem, however, is that I'm not seeing the story building towards that desire. Just like I'm expecting Carrot to not want to be a Straw Hat in the end, I feel story is building towards Yamato realising his true dream lies not with joining Luffy's crew, and that Luffy himself, being a great judge of character, may help Yamato realize his truest desire.
I feel there was a conversation between Luffy and Yamato between chapters 984 and 985 that we didn't see. And that Luffy refused Yamato after noticing something Yamato said. That's why we readers pick up the conversation with Yamato already insisting on boarding the ship, while Luffy seens annoyed by his insistence.
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Well, Luffy also asked zombie-unicorn and zombie-tree to join. Of course Luffy was being serious in-character, but that was Oda making a joke.
Brook joining was something being built up ever since Luffy said he wanted a musician. Also, when Luffy met Laboon. Those were foreshadowing for Brook joining even before we learned of Brook's existance. There's so much more behind Brook joining than just "lol, he's a silly skeleton"!
And we, and Luffy, knew NONE of that up front
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Several SH's were pretty annoyed by Luffy's insistence also.
This arc is currrently at 133 chapters, friggin' monster of an arc! Thank God is wrapping up.
And well, Carrot's clearly been a supporting character on the level of Bepo, Shishilian, Shinobu, Hyogoro, Yateppe.., is really not Oda's style for these kind of characters to suddenly gain huge relevance when only Luffy and the main villain remain, and gaining nakama status is even harder to imagine.
Quite the total opposite, when only Luffy and the main villain remain, focus is put on the character that's been build to potentially join the crew, so this is like Yamato's greatest moment, and I do expect big things. I'm still hanging on the possibility that Luffy and Kaido will discuss about her future, and a loud 'Yes, I'm taking her with me' from Luffy will end the discussion before the Toast and the end of the arc.
Crossing fingers!
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Oh hey forum is back! Great to be on here again.
Yamato is joining the crew because Oda wants him to. I think that alone is the biggest point for why they will join.
Plus the crew needed an Oni Princess. We lack a princess and an Oni Princess is exactly the type of princess that would fully make it to the Straw Hat crew.
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If Yamato doesn't end up joining I'll be very surprised, I'm like 90% sure he'll join, there's still a little bit of doubt but not much
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If not a crew mate, the only other option is Ace/Sabo level brother important character for Luffy. Which has like 1% chance of happening.
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If Yamato doesn't end up joining I'll be very surprised, I'm like 90% sure he'll join, there's still a little bit of doubt but not much
Oda even admitted he tried to put his audience into a state of confusion by having many shipwrights appears while also getting the audience to hate Franky, because of what he did to Usopp and such. If he's gonna go so far as to draw things in a way to keep people guessing for Water 7, then it can get one wondering if he's doing something similar for Wano.
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Oda even admitted he tried to put his audience into a state of confusion by having many shipwrights appears while also getting the audience to hate Franky, because of what he did to Usopp and such. If he's gonna go so far as to do that for Water 7, then it can get one wondering if he's doing something similar for Wano.
Again it’s definitely possible, I wouldn’t even be that upset, I’m not in love with Yamato, but I still think the odds are in his favor
But yeah Caribou all the way :ninja:
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Again it’s definitely possible, I wouldn’t even be that upset, I’m not in love with Yamato, but I still think the odds are in his favor
Despite her admiration for samurai and her having helped Momo out and such, I still don't currently doubt she'll still try to achieve her goal of setting sail with Luffy, at least. In addition to Straw Hat interactions, I am only curious as to what her exact purpose is post-Wano, and after Kaido said Luffy couldn't be Joy Boy, Yamato claiming Oden was waiting for Luffy, and the most recent Chapter 1040 in which Momo tells Yamato about Joy Boy, then I suppose that could a little more into the possibility of her post-Wano purpose having something to do with Joy Boy, but more on that later, of course.
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If Yamato doesn’t join this arc I assume whatever character will be the final member will either have appeared before or have been hinted at a while ago
If not Oda really needs to introduce the next character quickly and in a big way since we’re pretty damn close to endgame here
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I'm just waiting for the fallout that's gonna occur when Yamato stays behind to marry a not adult looking Momonosuke (who most likely looks exactly like Oden now). Got my popcorn ready to watch the drama unfold. :ninja:
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I'm just waiting for the fallout that's gonna occur when Yamato stays behind to marry a not adult looking Momonosuke (who most likely looks exactly like Oden now). Got my popcorn ready to watch the drama unfold. :ninja:
Some men just want to watch the world burn…and I'm here for it.
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Some men just want to watch the world burn…and I'm here for it.
Call me an agent of chaos.^^
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Several SH's were pretty annoyed by Luffy's insistence also.
This arc is currrently at 133 chapters, friggin' monster of an arc! Thank God is wrapping up.
And well, Carrot's clearly been a supporting character on the level of Bepo, Shishilian, Shinobu, Hyogoro, Yateppe.., is really not Oda's style for these kind of characters to suddenly gain huge relevance when only Luffy and the main villain remain, and gaining nakama status is even harder to imagine.
Quite the total opposite, when only Luffy and the main villain remain, focus is put on the character that's been build to potentially join the crew, so this is like Yamato's greatest moment, and I do expect big things. I'm still hanging on the possibility that Luffy and Kaido will discuss about her future, and a loud 'Yes, I'm taking her with me' from Luffy will end the discussion before the Toast and the end of the arc.
Crossing fingers!
Yeah, I didn't see character as any more relevant and having any greater purpose beyond ally like Hancock, Law, Kinemon, or Hyogoro, whom also went through tragedy, and Yamato feels on a different vibe if I'm not sure how exactly to explain it.
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Look, fuck it, I'm just gonna say it that Oda views his crew first showing up in the manga to be…. treasures. And I think he truly wants you to get how much they should be beheld as treasures.
This is sappy but I think from page one with Yamato showing up he wants you to cherish him like the others. You kind of got that feeling with Jinbe's first page too and I see it everywhere in Yamato taking off the mask. If you haven't been won over or you bought into the hype from the start, there is just something that Oda is pushing at us. It can't be avoided in my view anyway.
Like maybe I am dumb but it's what I feel towards Yamato and Oda finishing up the crew. He wants you to care. A lot.
