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    Chapter 1,044: Warrior of Liberation

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    • Dragon D. Luffy
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      @Alfiere:

      There is one thing I honestly can't understand how anyone could possibly like,.and it's how completely undeserved this ultra mega awesome powerup feels.
      I really feel like I'm missing something here. Luffy went completely over his head and had everyone bet their life on him beating Kaido, and was beaten fair and square three times (yeah, i don't buy your sad excuse of bowler hat's interference, you supposedly worked on your observation for that reason buddy), and for that… He's rewarded with God Mode without even an input of his own. He wasn't even experimenting with the fruit powers, he was just going all in on the new haki bullshit.
      Each of the previous gears came from a place of insight and creativity, this... Just from the fact that the protagonist can't die.

      If the new Pokémon game introduced a mechanic making so that when your last mon faints it automatically regains full hp, full pp and an instant megaevolution, I don't think many would find it satisfying.

      Not gonna lie, last week I was way more excited about the tension a victorious Kaido was bringing than about the Joy Boy scene in the last page. I totally appreciate the importance of dramatic tension and Luffy rising right after doing down seemed to kill it.

      But that feeling kind of disappeared somewhere between the Gorosei guy saying that's the most ridiculous fruit in the world and Luffy deflecting Kaido 's boro breath while laughing.

      The way this happened is so cartoonish, so ridiculous, I can't bring myself to hate it. It's like Luffy is breaking the 4th wall and declaring the arc's plot structure over just because he can. It feels deliciously dumb. It's like some of the funnest parts of early One Piece, the kind of silliness I didn't know I missed.

      I don't know if this magic will last. Maybe Oda will need to build more tension. Or maybe the clownish stuff will juat keep working. I have no idea and that feels refreshing.

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        @Robby:

        I don't ever watch youtube reviewers for the series nor post them.

        But the sheer emotion of this reader? Who only just marathoned the series over the last year and only went weekly recently and so hasn't theorized on stuff for a decade and doesn't have a lot of preconceptions or built in biases? That read Wano in one go instead of over four years? They're just ecstatically connecting pieces left and right and are super excited about it.

        And their emotion gets to me and it chokes me up and makes me think and it's just..

        yeah okay Oda, ya done good.

        There's still aspects I don't personally like but I can accept it.

        Merphy's videos are great viewing, always a breath of fresh air compared to the in-too-deep fan culture lens I'm used to seeing the series through. I don't follow many anime/manga youtubers or really any dedicated OP ones, but seeing lit youtubers like her and Daniel Greene experience the series for the first time has been legitimately fascinating.

        @Alfiere:

        If the new Pokémon game introduced a mechanic making so that when your last mon faints it automatically regains full hp, full pp and an instant megaevolution, I don't think many would find it satisfying.

        The postgame final boss of Legends Arceus actually kinda does this. Twice. You've essentially got to take on a team of eight (the last two of which are legendary) with your lot of six. If he wasn't caught up in taking back his accidental win maybe Kaido would be feeling the way I felt fighting that.

        That said, Pokemon fans have been complaining about survive a killing blow with 1hp and shrug off status conditions in a pinch mechanics for the main party for years now.

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          Tbh this could have been handled way worse from last chapter, although there's plenty of room for that still depending on the further clarifications on Nika and his newfound powers.

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            @HeartOfDarkness:

            It's interesting how last two chapters brought on the interesting discussion of whether some people actually understood the type of story Oda was writing or they read the story thinking it was one way when Oda was saying it was another way. Like there are actually some people who thought that Luffy, who has always been painted by the narrative as a special person, is now suddenly believed to have been representing average joe and his journey being about a random kid? Especially when Luffy's behavior, views and characteristics were always conveyed to be one-of-a-kind which is also the reason why he got his crew and started this entire narrative in the first place?

            Is the point that one piece was always a story they dislike and they just didnt realize it? Or that its consistent and therefore they should like it?

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              So, uh, now that I've written about as much as I normally would just on the fruit, how was the rest of the chapter?

              The cover story's lingering longer on Niji and Yonji than I expected it to. I guess the plot will be their escape and subsequent attempt to reunite with the other Vinsmokes rather than Judge's rescue mission. Fun callback to have the little Charlotte daughter who was cutting open her toys participating in the vivsection. Who are we betting will help them out? Caesar? Pudding? Pekoms? Someone else with a P in their name?

              Let's do some looking at the timeline though. Big Mom's already out at sea the morning after the battle at Whole Cake Island. Given the humiliation she suffered there, she's definitely going straight after Luffy. Which means the conversation between Big Mom and Kaido in chapter 907 has to take place that morning, before the cover story's scene. And we know that conversation takes place on the same day as the Reverie's opening, which is the day before Luffy's group reaches Wano, which is two weeks before the Fire Festival. I've seen people doubt the idea of 16 days between full moons from Whole Cake to Wano, saying there must be some days of travel skipped over between the gang leaving Tottoland waters and the start of the Reverie, but there no longer seems to be space for that.

              The establishing shot for Sanji's section of the 'everyone reacts to Luffy's presence' it at the start shows how far the island has deteriorated. Check out the before and after. This place is coming down.

              The Elders talk about the government as an entity trying to obtain the fruit, leaving out the 'we's or any sense they were there in the different eras where it was attempted. Another point against the theory they're immortal.

              Orochi and Hiyori's scene goes on. I try to take a wait and see approach, but I really feel like this bit could have been wrapped up in half the time devoted to it. Hiyori really isn't telling us anything we haven't known for a long time here. Kazenbo choosing to burn Orochi is not what I would have guessed through. I wouldn't have thought that thing was still around at all. I guess I'm looking forward to seeing what misinterpretation of Orochi's orders led it to thinking it should do that, so the scene isn't a total wash.

              Returning to the Performance Floor, we get another great shot of Kaido filling the skull dome, doing more damage to the already devastated environment. The tone turns on a dime from the dread of him being there in the last chapter. I think that'll go down as one of the biggest critiques of the Onigashima battle - Oda gives us a few possible darkest hours where Luffy appears to be down, but doesn't really let any of them have the time they need to skin in. Luffy takes a pretty concerning hit in chapter 1009, but is back on his feet at the end of the next chapter. Luffy is blown off the island at the end of chapter 1013, but is rescued by the end of chapter 1015. This latest one doesn't even give him a whole chapter between Kaido annoucning the kill and his body twitching back to life. As much as I hate to suggest drawing this arc out any longer, giving any of these bits another chapter's worth of time to see other members of the alliance properly try and fail to stand up to Kaido without Luffy's help could have gone a long way to make it feel like all is lost without Luffy. As it is, you barely have time to start wondering how he'll get back in the fight (let alone entertaining the fantasy of 'if') before it happens.

              And with all that said, and all talk of whether the Nika twist works or not, it's undeniable that the final action sequence is going to go down as an Oda highlight. I've said at least once before that the anime could do so much more to distinguish itself by leaning into the rubber hose possibilities of Luffy's rubber body and the different ways he might move. Well, Oda's forcing their hand on that one. Will they be able to make the most of the opportunity to step it up? (And a part of me wants to see the live action series survive long-term just to watch them grapple with this.)

              Kaido apologising for CP0 and expressing relief he gets to go another round is good characterisation. I'm looking forward to any dialogue that happens between him and Luffy, now that Luffy has proven wrong about becoming Joyboy.

              Gear Five is a fun design as well. A lot more understated than Gear Four, but in a good way. I'm interested to see if the changed inking on Luffy's shirt is actually ment to indicate a colour change - and what colour it's meant to be now. Hopefully we'll get to see this on next week's Jump cover and confirm the new look.

              While I'm not shocked that this chapter and its big twist are proving controversial, and I do have my own reservations, I still very much enjoyed reading it and am greatly looking forward to seeing what Oda hsa planned now that he's pulled the trigger on the series second biggest possible reveal.

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                @Captain:

                What I really would have wanted to see leading up to this twist, in hindsight, is Nika being better established long before Who's Who brings him up. A scratching of the name or the silhouette carved into a wall in Impel Down, for example, lingered on just long enough by the camera to make it stick out to hardcore fans. I know we've had mentions of sun gods since forever (hell, there's a thread I started on the topic still on the first page of this board) but not enough follow through between them and the ideas of liberty and broken chains and happiness and rubber now being ascribed to them. Maybe that was meant to click into place on its own when Who's Who named Nika for us i chapter 1018, but that feels like too little too late for my tastes.

                Although it's true that the direct connection between the 'Sun God' and 'Freedom' hadn't been completely established before Who's Who… the connection between the 'Sun' and 'Freedom' was plenty developed throughout the series.

                Just look at the Fishmen and their relationship with the Sun – their freedom is signified by the Sun, so much so that Fisher Tiger created the Sun Pirates. And then we have all the talk about the Dawn of the World, which is obviously related to Sun conceptually too. On top of that, as you've pointed out (but even going beyond your examples), throughout the series we've seen direct comparisons between Luffy and the Sun as a metaphor for him saving the islands.

                Therefore, all the thematic work Oda put into the "Sun" as the symbol of freedom, psychologically we can extend this connotation to the Sun God itself, right? And we can consider the "theme of the Sun" as a proper foreshadowing of the "theme of the Sun God" as a liberator and destroyer of chains. Just the rubber part that feels random in the mix, since the only thematic association comes from Luffy himself being rubber and playing the role of the Sun God from the start of the series.

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                Orochi and Hiyori's scene goes on. I try to take a wait and see approach, but I really feel like this bit could have been wrapped up in half the time devoted to it. Hiyori really isn't telling us anything we haven't known for a long time here. Kazenbo choosing to burn Orochi is not what I would have guessed through. I wouldn't have thought that thing was still around at all. I guess I'm looking forward to seeing what misinterpretation of Orochi's orders led it to thinking it should do that, so the scene isn't a total wash.

                What happened between Orochi and Kanjuro was actually super subtle and probably only works by binge-reading the chapters. The answer is in chapter 1030, when Kanjuro created the Kazenbo, which reads better in the scanlation.

                Orochi tells him: "Let them all be consumed by the Kurozumi Clan's vengeance… cast all the stragglers in the castle into the abyss of hell!! Drag them as low as our brethren, trapped in their graves. Free their souls, Kanjuro... Free us in a final blaze of glory!!"
                Kanjuro: "As you wish, please enjoy my final show – the suicide pact of the Kurozumi Clan, Kazenbo!"

                So when Kazenbo failed and didn't have more energy to keep going, it searched for Orochi to end its act with their blazing suicide pact. And it's poethic that revenge consumes your soul in the end.

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                  @theackwardstation:

                  Although it's true that the direct connection between the 'Sun God' and 'Freedom' hadn't been completely established before Who's Who… the connection between the 'Sun' and 'Freedom' was plenty developed throughout the series.

                  Just look at the Fishmen and their relationship with the Sun – their freedom is signified by the Sun, so much so that Fisher Tiger created the Sun Pirates. And then we have all the talk about the Dawn of the World, which is obviously related to Sun conceptually too. On top of that, as you've pointed out (but even going beyond your examples), throughout the series we've seen direct comparisons between Luffy and the Sun as a metaphor for him saving the islands.

                  Therefore, all the thematic work Oda put into the "Sun" as the symbol of freedom, psychologically we can extend this connotation to the Sun God itself, right? And we can consider the "theme of the Sun" as a proper foreshadowing of the "theme of the Sun God" as a liberator and destroyer of chains. Just the rubber part that feels random in the mix, since the only thematic association comes from Luffy himself being rubber and playing the role of the Sun God from the start of the series.

                  Excellent catch! That fits way too well not to be intentional!

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                    Myth zoan Luffy is only cool for the sake of cool. A frickin retcon takes away all my enjoyments of this chapter.

                    Well that is my only problem actually. Everything else is the usual One Piece

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                      @theackwardstation:

                      What happened between Orochi and Kanjuro was actually super subtle and probably only works by binge-reading the chapters. The answer is in chapter 1030, when Kanjuro created the Kazenbo, which reads better in the scanlation.

                      Orochi tells him: "Let them all be consumed by the Kurozumi Clan's vengeance… cast all the stragglers in the castle into the abyss of hell!! Drag them as low as our brethren, trapped in their graves. Free their souls, Kanjuro... Free us in a final blaze of glory!!"
                      Kanjuro: "As you wish, please enjoy my final show – the suicide pact of the Kurozumi Clan, Kazenbo!"

                      So when Kazenbo failed and didn't have more energy to keep going, it searched for Orochi to end its act with their blazing suicide pact. And it's poethic that revenge consumes your soul in the end.

                      Ah, that makes sense. Hopefully there'll be a hindsight touchup to the dialogue in the volume release to help it fit better.

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                        But underwater?.

                        Thats more related to the fact that we follow Luffy's pov specifically.

                        If we're going full SpongeBoB on it, I dont see whats stopping Kin'emon from doing it underwater either.

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                          The personality change made me remember when Snakeman Luffy began spitting his own thoughts and said he couldn't do otherwise when Kata underlined that. It always seemed an odd scene to me, but maybe there're some Nika related reasons.

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                            Yeah, I'm more curious to see Luffy's second flashback now; to see how different he was before he ate the fruit.

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                              I think Luffy's fruit awakening and Zunesha recognizing him as Joy Boy are not correlated… it's just a coincidence.

                              Joy Boy has to be a D. thing... anything else doesn't make sense, because of what Whitebeard said to Blackbeard... "you're not the one Roger was waiting for". Why would he say this if it would be fruit related... doesn't make sense...

                              Luffy's will to live, to survive reached such a high level, that it affected his heartbeat... basically he reached Joy Boy level... at the same time his fruit began to awaken.

                              But as usual, only time will tell... so we have to wait and be patient.

                              I disagree. I think Zunesha saying Luffy is Joyboy has to do with his awakening. I think the problem is we probably don't understand what Will of D is or Oda is intentionally making us believe its one thing when it isn't.

                              A lot of people are overlooking that sandwiched in-between the Luffy's awakening we get a flashback of Oden. A man that continues to dance and smile despite his suffering for the benefit of others (and later died smiling I might add). Trademarks of a D. but he isn't one as far as we know. Yes there are people with D. in their name but given the recent chapters I believe there are 2 different things. There is a false understanding of "Will of D", people that have the D. in their name as a result of bloodlines and a true understanding of "Will of D", people that possessed the Will to smile or "Will of :D". Think back to Robin's flashback arc when Saul is teaching Robin the power of smiling and laughter. Or even all the way back to Chapter 1 when Shanks gets humiliated by Higuma and laughs afterward. Looking back, I think Law's flashback probably best encapsulates this. Law was born with D. in his name yet despite this he tends to be very serious compared to the other D's we know. At one point Rocinante even said he reminded him of Doflamingo when he was at that age. I never really thought about it at the time but that flashback had some great irony: Rocinante, once a celestial dragon, encouraging Law, a D., to smile even while he was dying. I mean it makes sense given the themes of the series. Oda has repeatedly s*** on the importance of bloodlines and I don't think having the letter D. in their name will turn out any different.

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                                Chapter 479 is titled "Warrior of Hope", referencing Luffy himself. There, we find this page:

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                                  @Dany:

                                  Yeah, I'm more curious to see Luffy's second flashback now; to see how different he was before he ate the fruit.

                                  Those panels of him talking to a Shanks before eating the fruit is pretty much like him, including stabbing himself in the face which I’m sure he’d do even without Joy Boy’s influence.

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                                  Chapter 479 is titled "Warrior of Hope", referencing Luffy himself. There, we find this page:

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                                  Yep, whimsical cartoon antics are nothing new in the series.

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                                    @theackwardstation:

                                    Chapter 479 is titled "Warrior of Hope", referencing Luffy himself. There, we find this page:

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                                    It bothers me that he's swinging at such a high angle, that was the worst way to throw Bowser

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                                      @Captain:

                                      Merphy's videos are great viewing, always a breath of fresh air compared to the in-too-deep fan culture lens I'm used to seeing the series through. I don't follow many anime/manga youtubers or really any dedicated OP ones, but seeing lit youtubers like her and Daniel Greene experience the series for the first time has been legitimately fascinating.

                                      The postgame final boss of Legends Arceus actually kinda does this. Twice. You've essentially got to take on a team of eight (the last two of which are legendary) with your lot of six. If he wasn't caught up in taking back his accidental win maybe Kaido would be feeling the way I felt fighting that.

                                      That said, Pokemon fans have been complaining about survive a killing blow with 1hp and shrug off status conditions in a pinch mechanics for the main party for years now.

                                      Merphy approaches One Piece more like a casual scholar analyzing themes rather than a sports fan talking of fighters like they have million dollar powerscaling bets at stake, which is refreshing.

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                                        @electricmastro:

                                        Yep, whimsical cartoon antics are nothing new in the series.

                                        To be fair, Oars scene is less cartoony as it doesn't involve Luffy laughing his ass off, exaggerated expressions, and one sided mauling of the boss all being highlighted at once.

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                                          Yep, whimsical cartoon antics are nothing new in the series.

                                          The rhyme between the chapters goes beyond that…

                                          1. Title: "Warrior of Hope" - "Warrior of Liberation"
                                          2. The same cartoon antic used in both
                                          3. Luffy being the bringer of the Sun to people (look the dialogue).
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                                            @FelRes:

                                            To be fair, Oars scene is less cartoony as it doesn't involve Luffy laughing his ass off, exaggerated expressions, and one sided mauling of the boss all being highlighted at once.

                                            The laughing was pretty much from readers who are way into that in the first place. This time is different because Luffy gets to laugh along with us now. lol

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                                            The rhyme between the chapters goes beyond that…

                                            1. Title: "Warrior of Hope" - "Warrior of Liberation"
                                            2. The same cartoon antic used in both
                                            3. Luffy being the bringer of the Sun to people (look the dialogue).

                                            Yeah, for example, I recall one of the Risky Brothers telling the Straw Hats “Thank you for bringing the sun back to us!”

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                                              @theackwardstation:

                                              Chapter 479 is titled "Warrior of Hope", referencing Luffy himself. There, we find this page:

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                                              And Luffy still called it Gear 5, instead of Good Dream Luffy.

                                              What a waste.

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                                                And Luffy still called it Gear 5, instead of Good Dream Luffy.

                                                What a waste.

                                                Actually, what was stopping Luffy from calling Tankman and Snakeman Gear 5?

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                                                  Actually, what was stopping Luffy from calling Tankman and Snakeman Gear 5?

                                                  They were all Muscle Balloon forms.

                                                  #Vergoshotfirst #Doflaisapunk

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                                                    Can Oda just make 'Paralogias, Parazoans and Logiazoans' a thing.

                                                    Since he doesnt care about the rules of each type anymore.

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                                                      Can Oda just make 'Paralogias, Parazoans and Logiazoans' a thing.

                                                      Since he doesnt care about the rules of each type anymore.

                                                      Paralogia- Katakuri/ Parazoan- Luffy/ Logiazoan- Marco

                                                      Yeah, Oda stop caring a while ago. 😄

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                                                        This decision by Oda is frustrating, but let's not be so quick to call on how much he cares.

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                                                          Merphy's video really underlines how Oden is just as much a warrior of liberation as Luffy is, which explain the focus on the review of Oden's deeds this very chapter. Cool stuff.

                                                          I wonder if Wano's finale will put Joy Boy in any position to aliviate or give some cathatic sense to the people who ate the discarted pieces of Smiles and became pleasures unwillingly…

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                                                            I mean, Devil Fruit typing wasn't really the most well thought out thing ever, when the types are really Animals, Kind-of-Elements and Everything Else. I don't really care that such a loose system got a little more inconsistent.

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                                                              With Luffy being able to manipulate his size at will he better grab that giant sword and use it in battle at least once

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                                                                With Luffy being able to manipulate his size at will he better grab that giant sword and use it in battle at least once

                                                                Even with Gear 5 Luffy still wouldn't be able to use a sword to save his life, he'd just end up punching Kaido instead and then laugh about it

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                                                                  Never forget the crow logia

                                                                  Still waiting for a spider logia where hitting said user will result in spiders going just everywhere

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                                                                  \(゜∀゜ ) TSUKAME PURAIDO !

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                                                                    Whether you like 1044 or not,

                                                                    am I the only one who is surprised that Luffy awakened before Kaido?

                                                                    Kaido might already be awakened though. For all we know, when he first got his DF power he just thought he was getting the Fish Fish fruit. Then he awakened and discovered it was Model: Seiryu
                                                                    It took readers over 1000 chapters to learn that the Gum Gum fruit is model Nika

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                                                                      Merphy Napier is one of my favorite OP YouTubers — I appreciate the approach she’s taken to reading and understanding the series, because it’s clear that quite a few people have been misreading the series.

                                                                      Let’s talk the “Rubber Rubber Fruit.” Or the “Human Human Fruit, Mythical Type: Model - Nika” (henceforth I’m going to refer to this as the “Nika Fruit” for the sake of brevity).

                                                                      How many folks in the One Piece world know the fruit’s true name and ability? How many know of Nika? Does Jinbe know of him? Hancock?

                                                                      The Five Elder Stars clearly thought it to be legend, as the fruit had not awakened in over 800 years. How many fruits like this are in existence? Dangerous to the WG but unawakened? And WHY is it so dangerous that the Elder Stars dropped every single priority to deal with Luffy urgently (likely after a tip from Shanks)?

                                                                      Why hasn’t the Nika Fruit awakened in centuries? Are there specific conditions to its awakening? Does it have to do with Wano or the Fire Festival?

                                                                      How many have pieced together that Joyboy is connected to the Nika Fruit? Why did Kaido think that he could be Joyboy? What IS Joyboy?

                                                                      I wonder about the previous consumers of the Rubber Rubber Fruit — are they always killed early by the government? Is Luffy’s awakening here due to the incompetence of complacent rulers who ignored the warning signs due to hubris? Is this all according to Shanks’ keikaku? Lots of questions, here!

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                                                                        Spoiler providers clearly put a lot of their personal opinion on what they thought the fandom as a whole would react towards this chapter, hence the 'avoid spoilers' recommendation.

                                                                        And I hope they never do this again.

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                                                                          Even with Gear 5 Luffy still wouldn't be able to use a sword to save his life, he'd just end up punching Kaido instead and then laugh about it

                                                                          I know he couldn't use it well, but it's a god damn island sized sword in the middle of an oni skull and Luffy's new form is the only thing capable of even gripping/holding it let alone swinging it, I don't care if it's a one move thing or he uses it on the marine ships when they get there but please Oda let him do something with it

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                                                                            @Monquito:

                                                                            Spoiler providers clearly put a lot of their personal opinion on what they thought the fandom as a whole would react towards this chapter, hence the 'avoid spoilers' recommendation.

                                                                            And I hope they never do this again.

                                                                            I mean they weren't exactly wrong given all the talk about it, felt almost impossible to dodge spoilers this time around. That said, it's always amusing seeing them make exceptions on what they feel people should apparently avoid spoilers for.

                                                                            I think it's silly that you'd wish they'd stop though, don't you read spoilers? Your expectations for the actual chapter are already going to be affected way more than actually listening to their advice lol

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                                                                            I know he couldn't use it well, but it's a god damn island sized sword in the middle of an oni skull and Luffy's new form is the only thing capable of even gripping/holding it let alone swinging it, I don't care if it's a one move thing or he uses it on the marine ships when they get there but please Oda let him do something with it

                                                                            I felt like the only opportunity for it to be used was through Kid tbh

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                                                                              I wonder if Wano's finale will put Joy Boy in any position to aliviate or give some cathatic sense to the people who ate the discarted pieces of Smiles and became pleasures unwillingly…

                                                                              What if joyboy has the power to cure them. Surely if you have the power to make people laugh, you could have the power to make them stop. Maybe Marco, law and chopper could help out too.

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                                                                                I liked this chapter. Though it felt short. At least the discussions this chapter brings make it feel longer!

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                                                                                  Kaido might already be awakened though. For all we know, when he first got his DF power he just thought he was getting the Fish Fish fruit. Then he awakened and discovered it was Model: Seiryu
                                                                                  It took readers over 1000 chapters to learn that the Gum Gum fruit is model Nika

                                                                                  Momo started in dragon form as well. Seems unlikely.

                                                                                  I wouldn't be surprised at a "I never pull out my awakened form because….." ends too quickly, can't control myself, etc.

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                                                                                  Spoiler providers clearly put a lot of their personal opinion on what they thought the fandom as a whole would react towards this chapter, hence the 'avoid spoilers' recommendation.

                                                                                  And I hope they never do this again.

                                                                                  Hell no. The warnings were appreciated. i went into this chapter clean and it was magic. I'm fine with the week long tease on ordinary stuff but the big special events its nice to read as intended.

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                                                                                    @Monquito:

                                                                                    Spoiler providers clearly put a lot of their personal opinion on what they thought the fandom as a whole would react towards this chapter, hence the 'avoid spoilers' recommendation.

                                                                                    And I hope they never do this again.

                                                                                    eh i appreciate them advising people to avoid spoilers on big stuff like sabo or joyboy.

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                                                                                      Monquito's feelings are understandable.

                                                                                      If you're excited about X happening, you're told to be excited, and then C happens, it's a bit like, "Wait…what the heck?!"

                                                                                      But then again, that's the prob with spoiler culture to begin with. It is what it is! shrugs

                                                                                      No matter where you go, there you are.

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                                                                                        So if Luffy's human fruit is Mythical Zoan, then could Chopper's human fruit be Mythical Zoan as well?

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                                                                                          So if Luffy's human fruit is Mythical Zoan, then could Chopper's human fruit be Mythical Zoan as well?

                                                                                          I imagine he's just a regular zoan. Like the Pell falcon to Marco's phoenix.

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                                                                                            Is the point that one piece was always a story they dislike and they just didnt realize it? Or that its consistent and therefore they should like it?

                                                                                            16 characters of neither.

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                                                                                              I imagine he's just a regular zoan. Like the Pell falcon to Marco's phoenix.

                                                                                              Phoenix IS a mythical tho

                                                                                              I cant imagine other DFs suddenly have their "true name" revealed. Like Ope ope is actually Ryu ryu no mi model Palkia or Yami yami is actually hito hito model god of darkness or even Chopper's hito hito model neanderthal or something lol

                                                                                              "No more shall man have wings to bear him to paradise. Henceforth, he shall walk.." - Venat

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                                                                                                I imagine he's just a regular zoan. Like the Pell falcon to Marco's phoenix.

                                                                                                There's the idea that Chopper's fruit might turn out to be something like the Human-Human Fruit: Model Wendigo, because of early comparisons of Chopper at Drum Island to Sasquatch, and how Sasquatch has also been compared to the Wendigo. Depictions aren't always deer-like, but still makes me wonder regardless.

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                                                                                                  So if Luffy's human fruit is Mythical Zoan, then could Chopper's human fruit be Mythical Zoan as well?

                                                                                                  Honestly, I'd bet on that to give an "oomph" to Chopper's abilities.

                                                                                                  Unfortunately, Chopper's six forms post-TS are rather bland, and they were mostly ignored for the last 400 chapters when they still mattered in combat. Even the Rumble Ball doesn't look exciting anymore since Monster Point isn't as awesome after Chopper got it under control, since the mode itself is too undercooked as a design. And what was Chopper's last upgrade in Wano? Now he can stay on Monster Point for more time… eeh, not much creativity there.

                                                                                                  The best way to salvage Chopper as a fighter (if Oda ever intends to do that) is to make his Zoan model something special. What it could be I don't know.

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                                                                                                    Honestly, I'd bet on that to give an "oomph" to Chopper's abilities.

                                                                                                    Unfortunately, Chopper's six forms post-TS are rather bland, and they were mostly ignored for the last 400 chapters when they still mattered in combat. Even the Rumble Ball doesn't look exciting anymore since Monster Point isn't as awesome after Chopper got it under control, since the mode itself is too undercooked as a design. And what was Chopper's last upgrade in Wano? Now he can stay on Monster Point for more time… eeh, not much creativity there.

                                                                                                    The best way to salvage Chopper as a fighter (if Oda ever intends to do that) is to make his Zoan model something special. What it could be I don't know.

                                                                                                    Even if it was done with the best of intentions for Monster Trio fanfare, that scene of Sanji attacking Queen after Chopper failed to hold him off more kinda left a bad taste in mouth. It gave me the impression as if Chopper is a pathetic and worthless fighter for not being like Sanji, and while I realize that wasn't Oda's intention, that being followed up with Chopper turning into a baby gramps and standing on the sidelines as if he's better off being left back at the doctor's office didn't make it better for me either.

                                                                                                    I suppose Chapter 1044's development in how Zoans have minds/wills of their own and how Zoans in general can be flexible enough to stretch into other categories makes me excited at Chopper's potential in the future, even if it's just speculatory, and perhaps further reinforce the entire crew's worth beyond Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji being the go-to guys for breaking things.

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                                                                                                      As to not create even more revelations inside Luffy's crew, Oda will probably just make Chopper's fruit a Hito Hito no Mi: Model Introvert Salarymen. It really fits the whole shy/going mad with rumble ball Chopper.

                                                                                                      Luffy vs Katakuri Full fight: https://www.docdroid.net/qrFOY9p/luffyxkata.pdf

                                                                                                      Luffy vs Cracker Full fight : https://www.docdroid.net/Pk06JZL/luffy-vs-cracker.pdf

                                                                                                      Luffy vs Doflamingo Full fight : https://www.docdroid.net/VDl3Ctf/luffyxdoffy.pdf

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                                                                                                        Honestly, I'd bet on that to give an "oomph" to Chopper's abilities.

                                                                                                        Unfortunately, Chopper's six forms post-TS are rather bland, and they were mostly ignored for the last 400 chapters when they still mattered in combat. Even the Rumble Ball doesn't look exciting anymore since Monster Point isn't as awesome after Chopper got it under control, since the mode itself is too undercooked as a design. And what was Chopper's last upgrade in Wano? Now he can stay on Monster Point for more time… eeh, not much creativity there.

                                                                                                        The best way to salvage Chopper as a fighter (if Oda ever intends to do that) is to make his Zoan model something special. What it could be I don't know.

                                                                                                        There is obviously something up with Choppers DF. Hes the only "regular" Zoan that we know of that cannot make a full on transformation into his supposed Zoan Animal. Every Zoan user has a hybrid form and a complete animal form, yet Choppers supposed "human form" looks like a yeti, not a human. So my bet is he actually ate some sort of yeti zoan

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                                                                                                        I imagine he's just a regular zoan. Like the Pell falcon to Marco's phoenix.

                                                                                                        The thing is Pell can turn into an actual, plain Falcon. Chopper cannot turn into an actual complete human

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