Yeah, he did.
Besides, who's called fifth Yonko? :ninja:
He did ? A 10 day fight is a stomp ?
Yeah, he did.
Besides, who's called fifth Yonko? :ninja:
He did ? A 10 day fight is a stomp ?
@Joy:
Luffy has literally been knocked out in this fight. That didn't happen with Katakuri.
So what?
You keep talking about being knocked out as if it matters that much. Kaido is using haki in his attack. It makes sense that given his strength he could knock Luffy out. That doesn't change the fact Luffy is a rubber man and getting knocked out for him isn't the same as for a regular person getting knocked out.
Also as I said Luffy never looked superior to Katakuri.
I'm probably gonna have to ignore you from here on out if you think Luffy looks superior to Kaido.
Probably would be the dumbest thing I've heard yet.
until he used Snakeman and even then Katakuri got the better of him multiple times.
Luffy didn't look superior than Katakuri. At best after he was attacked by Kat's sister and Kat injured himself they had leveled off a bit.
Right now Luffy somehow stomps Kaido after apparently getting knocked out in a one shot again.
So? Luffy has been getting up after Kaido has hit him and launching attackis back since the fight has started. This chapter is no different than when Luffy first punched him and Big Mom was like why'd you let Strawhat do that.
How is the Katakuri fight worse after these couple of things I mentioned ?
Cuz not at any point did Luffy seem stronger than Katakuri and he wasn't. Katakuri gave up cuz he realized Luffy would never gve up. There's an entire underlying subplot during the fight of Katakuri thinking Luffy aint shit to gaining respect for Luffy by the end of the fight as he improved his haki abilities during the fight.
And how wasn't this a zenkai boost ? Luffy literally gets up from being unconscious unlocks a power only a handful of the strongest can do and proceeds to wreck Kaido in ase like nothing. Yes that's the exact definition of a Zenkai boost.
You literally don't understand what's going on in the fight right now.
I would say reread the chapter but its clear it would not help.
Which straw hat stomped Big Mom ? Did you forget what Franky, Jinbe and Robin did to her ?
What exactly did they do?
When did Franky, Jinbe, and Robin stomp Big Mom?
Do you not know what the words you're using mean or something?
It seems you don't get that these yonkou can take big attacks and shrug them off. Most they don't even feel compared to when they attack.
Seems like the reason you dont get it.
Luffy has looked superior to Kaido multiple times.
Yup. This is a dumb opinion.
@Joy:
He did ? A 10 day fight is a stomp ?
Oh, the duration matters… so Luffy has already beat Kaido... and the fight is already over... oh damn, I must've forgot to read the chapters...
Oh, the duration matters… so Luffy has already beat Kaido... and the fight is already over... oh damn, I must've forgot to read the chapters...
Looking forward to it: Luffy beats Kaido in a 1v1 battle that lasts 15 days but doesn't use gear or any new techniques -> Joy Boy will be happy with the outcome
@Zik:
Whoa which Beast pirate is greater than Kaido right now? I get that Gin was better than Krieg and overall the better character but I can't see the parallel. I'd say there is even less of a comparison cuz none of the higher up Beast pirates seem like good ppl where as Gin's introduction portrayed a different image.
Krieg was a dirty fighter that didn't mind sacrificing his crew if they failed him. While Kaido cut ties with Orochi (pun intended) pretty abruptly I haven't seen him be that cutthroat. Queen has and that's probably the closest indication Kaido sees it the same way.
Kind of dull might makes right guy, treats his crew like shit only valuing them for their use in battle, holds a rep as being the greatest but isn't all his rep makes him out to be. Dude is so totally a Krieg type of guy at heart.
I like the foreshadowing with White Beard and Roger
Kind of dull might makes right guy, treats his crew like shit only valuing them for their use in battle, holds a rep as being the greatest but isn't all his rep makes him out to be. Dude is so totally a Krieg type of guy at heart.
Would kill his subordinates, but is kind of bad at actually succeeding at it. Has a huge crew made up of mostly losers, but a lot of them. Crew uses gas weapons and underhanded shit like infiltrating other crews. His good guy crew member turned on him. Kaido is like Krieg if he had actually been competent. Krieg is darkest timeline Kaido
Knocked out Kaido is gonna get carried out on the shoulder of his own rebellious son, I can already tell. :ninja:
Joy Boy won't be happy when Momo won't let Kaido drop Onigashima on Flower Capital. :-)
I just wish Luffy atleast demonstrated G2 while blocking Kaido. Kaido is a zoan and in hybrid mode. I'm past CoO but speed side of things is a lil bit silly.
Kaido still has his Awakening, I hope.
Kind of dull might makes right guy, treats his crew like shit only valuing them for their use in battle, holds a rep as being the greatest but isn't all his rep makes him out to be. Dude is so totally a Krieg type of guy at heart.
Would kill his subordinates, but is kind of bad at actually succeeding at it. Has a huge crew made up of mostly losers, but a lot of them. Crew uses gas weapons and underhanded shit like infiltrating other crews. His good guy crew member turned on him. Kaido is like Krieg if he had actually been competent. Krieg is darkest timeline Kaido
I still haven't seen Kaido treat his crew like shit. Actually the opposite when he was showing concern for Jack. After losing to Inu and Neko that would've been the opportune time for Kaido to dismiss him as trash.
And there definitely isn't a single Beast pirate greater than Kaido unless in this Krieg/Gin comparison you're subbing out a crew member for Yamato who to be clear was never a Beast pirate but a caged hostage.
Kaido treats the lowest tier mooks like trash obviously but he's pretty chummy with the Calamities and Tobi Roppo. King nonchalantly holds his weapon for him, he tells Jack to go heal his wounds, he doesn't mind schmoozing with Black Maria or letting Ulti talk back to him.
And that's not getting into how he treats his "enemies", tossing out compliments like Halloween candy and openly talking about admiring guys like Oden or Whitebeard. He's got some sort of honor system when he killed that old lady who interfered in the fight too.
@Zik:
I still haven't seen Kaido treat his crew like shit. Actually the opposite when he was showing concern for Jack. After losing to Inu and Neko that would've been the opportune time for Kaido to dismiss him as trash.
And there definitely isn't a single Beast pirate greater than Kaido unless in this Krieg/Gin comparison you're subbing out a few member for Yamato.
Putting aside my now headcanon Kreig meme, Kaido is a such a horrible boss. He whacked that one guy out the window in a drunken mood swing, makes all people in his crew go for either becoming a crab ass type creature or giving yourself brain damage and when that doesn't pan out the BPs will kill you all for no longer being of use. He killed the hag for saving his life, he found Orochis executions to be hilarious. His favored form of recruitment is to beat you until you can't resist and put you in a slave camp for will breaking. Dude is easily the worst emperor to seek employment from
Would kill his subordinates, but is kind of bad at actually succeeding at it. Has a huge crew made up of mostly losers, but a lot of them. Crew uses gas weapons and underhanded shit like infiltrating other crews. His good guy crew member turned on him. Kaido is like Krieg if he had actually been competent. Krieg is darkest timeline Kaido
I would still take Krieg over Kaido any day, his brand of skullduggery is far more entertaining to me.
I would still take Krieg over Kaido any day, his brand of skullduggery is far more entertaining to me.
Best timeline Krieg had to give a lot of the day to day bastarding to make room for running a large scale heavy club beating and slavery company.
@Sibersk:
Kaido treats the lowest tier mooks like trash obviously but he's pretty chummy with the Calamities and Tobi Roppo. King nonchalantly holds his weapon for him, he tells Jack to go heal his wounds, he doesn't mind schmoozing with Black Maria or letting Ulti talk back to him.
And that's not getting into how he treats his "enemies", tossing out compliments like Halloween candy and openly talking about admiring guys like Oden or Whitebeard. He's got some sort of honor system when he killed that old lady who interfered in the fight too.
Yeah Kaido respects strong ppl and has a weird thing for death so he holds dead strong ppl in even higher regard. When his strong crew members lose to strong ppl (especially 2 on 1) he's understanding. He doesn't kill any super rookie he beats or captures but instead devises a sick and sadistic method to break them so they will join his crew.
The fodder of his crew though. I mean c'mon they're nameless fodder and funny enough after Queen's words they've all turned on Kaido. At least the Tama followers can claim brainwashing.
Its definitely a different and twisted perspective. Something we haven't really seen yet.
I'm really a lot more excited about the upcoming Big Mom vs Kidd battle. The visuals will be great, as always, and the outcome is actually open. Oda can let her win this fight since Kidd is only a secondary (tertiary?) protagonist after all.
In any case, the birth of a new Homie is exciting. I hope it's a female this time.
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Putting aside my now headcanon Kreig meme, Kaido is a such a horrible boss. He whacked that one guy out the window in a drunken mood swing, makes all people in his crew go for either becoming a crab ass type creature or giving yourself brain damage and when that doesn't pan out the BPs will kill you all for no longer being of use. He killed the hag for saving his life, he found Orochis executions to be hilarious. His favored form of recruitment is to beat you until you can't resist and put you in a slave camp for will breaking. Dude is easily the worst emperor to seek employment from
Rules when around boss Kaido:
1. Stay away when drunk, at a distance if necessary
2. Be sure to find your own devil fruit before being forced to eat an artificial one.
3. If boss is dying, let him die.
4. Entertain boss with videos of death matches.
5. If possible, get a gig in the slave torture camps; easy and out of the way.
Now that WB is dead the Shanks crew is clearly the least bad place to work. Sure you'll most certainly develop chemical dependency and commitment issues but at no point will any thing not supposed to be there grow out of you. BB is second best, hedonism with a tone of i might die. BM being a close third since it is nice in totland when not mid-rampage but i don't even like paying regular taxes let alone soul taxes.
I'm really a lot more excited about the upcoming Big Mom vs Kidd battle. The visuals will be great, as always, and the outcome is actually open. Oda can let her win this fight since Kidd is only a secondary (tertiary?) protagonist after all.
In any case, the birth of a new Homie is exciting. I hope it's a female this time.
Dunno, Oda isn’t always obligated to abide by others’ expectations, even if Luffy is the main protagonist and Kid isn’t. I will say that I will reserve full judgment and analysis until after the encounter between Kid and Big Mom is finished. As much as some others may be inclined to say that Kid is wasting his time and that he’s too pathetic to take on Big Mom, I suppose his willingness to still take her on knowing what kind of fighter she is and his determination is enough for me to personally give him the benefit of the doubt.
Well played, Oda, you actually made me care about whatever Kidd and Killer are doing by having them go confront Big Mom.
I see. Well that makes sense I guess.
Re: Luffy being "in base".
Luffy doesn't transform into Gear 2nd or 3rd anymore. Instead, he incorporates aspects of both Gears into his regular fighting style as if they were any other Gomu Gomu attack. Gear 4th is his only non-base form at the moment. That he would test out his new theory of coating his attacks in CoC in a "regular" attack only makes sense. Now that he knows how to really hit Kaidou where it hurts, he can apply it to Bound/Snakeman.
it kinda feels like this is one of those arcs where Zoro is too hurt to fight a higher threat, so he's going to settle for a smaller one, leaving us all to wonder what could've been if he didn't fight Kaido.
It was already quite bullshitting to think of Zoro taking down King 'just cause', while Luffy went thru hell to defeat Katakuri.
For him to still go after King in his current condition, it's like if Luffy destroyed his entire body fighting Big Mom, recieved a band aid from Chopper and then went on to defeat Katakuri, which is, to say the least, massive bs.
So I hope Sasaki stops fighting like a damn Gifter and defeats Franky, he's like the only one who has touched his sword so maybe he's the swordsman vs of Zoro, and not Who'sWho whom I originally thought was going to be, he seems pretty much confirmed with Jinbro at this point.
Now that WB is dead the Shanks crew is clearly the least bad place to work. Sure you'll most certainly develop chemical dependency and commitment issues but at no point will any thing not supposed to be there grow out of you. BB is second best, hedonism with a tone of i might die. BM being a close third since it is nice in totland when not mid-rampage but i don't even like paying regular taxes let alone soul taxes.
Well, you get a free spouse and free food, so the whole soul thing may even out depending of your priorities, personal taste and presence of diabetes.
All this discussion about Luffy and Zoro, but everyone (even Oda) is forgetting about a certain shitty cook…
If this is a football league standings, Luffy is already on Champions League zone (pos. 1-4), Zoro on Europa League zone (5-6)... and that cook is on 18-20th or even on second division lmao.
I kind of get where Joy Boy is coming from, I thought it was gonna be more of a group effort to take down Kaido, because of his title of Strongest
I expected Luffy to get good hits in but for it to be mostly because of the team up, with Luffy doing the most damage and getting the last hit in
Also Luffy leaned this new skill so quickly and mastered it so well it seems way to fast
And there’s the point where he went from being unconscious to being toe to toe with Kaido in a matter of seconds
Seems rushed maybe
To be clear I really loved this chapter on my first read, I was unbelievably hyped and excited, and I still am, I just think the other side might have a case here about things turning around to quick
it kinda feels like this is one of those arcs where Zoro is too hurt to fight a higher threat, so he's going to settle for a smaller one, leaving us all to wonder what could've been if he didn't fight Kaido.
It was already quite bullshitting to think of Zoro taking down King 'just cause', while Luffy went thru hell to defeat Katakuri.
For him to still go after King in his current condition, it's like if Luffy destroyed his entire body fighting Big Mom, recieved a band aid from Chopper and then went on to defeat Katakuri, which is, to say the least, massive bs.
So I hope Sasaki stops fighting like a damn Gifter and defeats Franky, he's like the only one who has touched his sword so maybe he's the swordsman vs of Zoro, and not Who'sWho whom I originally thought was going to be, he seems pretty much confirmed with Jinbro at this point.
I guess Sasaki will attempt to fight Denjiro at some point, since Oda bothered to include a revenge subplot.
Gotta love people who think they know what goes on inside the author's head.
I guess Sasaki will attempt to fight Denjiro at some point, since Oda bothered to include a revenge subplot.
I recall Sasaki's sword had an interesting pattern in the blade, unless it was just a weird shadowing.
Its also not a coinscidence that Franky is using a jedi sword with him, plus that vengance plot with Denjiro.
I'm actually starting to feel confident that Sasaki is indeed the master swordsman which Zoro has to overcome.
He might get back up later, but I don't see Zoro having any big fight after this chapter, Tobi Roppo or otherwise. The man is just too injured, and not in the way where we'd normally brush it off because it's Zoro. You know, where he's pushed really hard, and but still wins with some final best attack despite being half dead, and only then does he collapse afterwards. Yea, that literally just happened this chapter with Kaido.
A Calamity fight is illogical with his injuries. A Tobi Roppo fight probably is too, but more importantly, it's both beneath Zoro narratively speaking (Can't go from Kaido to Sasaki or w/e), whereas for the non Monster Trio Strawhats those are the perfect fights for them to manage to win despite being underdogs.
Lastly, you got a one-two-three punch of Zoro scarring Kaido, unlocking CoC, and bringing back Asura after 500 chapters. Can't really top that in terms of hype moments/reveals. Overall I just see this arc as Oda subverting expectations, where Zoro helps out with the boss fight instead of beating a prominent henchmen.
There's still that mystery medic running around, Marco, Chopper, Mink Doc and Nurse and Law. Maybe they can help patch Zoro up a little.
Reading these last few pages was kinda funny. I had randomly decided to pick up where I left off with the anime, and it was an episode where Hoguro was purposely putting himself in Big Mom's path cause he recognized Luffy needs an extreme push to bring out a technique. Luffy does and pretty much always figured out how to up his game. First instinctually then he experiments till he can reproduce the attack at will. He usually takes a few hits before he gets it right though.
He might get back up later, but I don't see Zoro having any big fight after this chapter, Tobi Roppo or otherwise. The man is just too injured, and not in the way where we'd normally brush it off because it's Zoro. You know, where he's pushed really hard, and but still wins with some final best attack despite being half dead, and only then does he collapse afterwards. Yea, that literally just happened this chapter with Kaido.
A Calamity fight is illogical with his injuries. A Tobi Roppo fight probably is too, but more importantly, it's both beneath Zoro narratively speaking (Can't go from Kaido to Sasaki or w/e), whereas for the non Monster Trio Strawhats those are the perfect fights for them to manage to win despite being underdogs.
Lastly, you got a one-two-three punch of Zoro scarring Kaido, unlocking CoC, and bringing back Asura after 500 chapters. Can't really top that in terms of hype moments/reveals. Overall I just see this arc as Oda subverting expectations, where Zoro helps out with the boss fight instead of beating a prominent henchmen.
To get slammed down by an Emperor and be expected to immediately take on the various officers of an Emperor is a lot to ask for even for Zoro. Not to necessarily say he’ll be completely sitting out for the rest of the arc, though I think it’s reasonable to presume he won’t be more active for awhile.
For me CoC was always a shockwave-like physical force. I also see CoA as a physical force, just with a smaller range, as the name suggest mainly for defense purposes.
When you use CoC uncontrolled you burst out a shockwave that affects everyone around you. When you can control that, you can use it more precise.
And when you master it, you can concentrate that shockwave on a small area like a weapon or fist or whatever. Basically the same thing as Kuma compressing the air for Ursus Shock.CoA is a physical force inside your body not meant for leaving it. But when you master it you can control the flow of it just the way you want to, even make it leave your body to some extent.
So actually CoC isn't used the same way CoA is, it's the other way around, CoA is used the same way CoC is. Making it leave the body like a shockwave or in that case an invisible shield.
CoO is a mental thing not physical, so I doubt that concept can be applied here.
But what do I know, it's all just my head canon, and in my head it all makes sense. I'm gonna stick to it until proven wrong.
The shockwave/internal force distinction for CoC and CoA I guess I can understand. Would've been better if we hadn't spent half the arc building up CoA to do such a similar thing.
But we're probably not going to find an answer that works for everyone and everything shown so far until Oda decides to actually explain the rules and limits with a bit more precision.
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@Zik:
When you say no indication do you mean not counting the Oden flashback? Where Oda basically applied the same scene of Roger and WB clashing to Luffy attacking Kaido?
I would say that scene reads completely different with what we know now. It didn't really set us up for the new revelations because at the time all evidence suggested CoC and CoA were separate things with distinct uses.
I'll walk you though my interpretation of the scene at the time. Whitebeard and Roger clash without touching and there's lots of lightning. Okay, we've seen the lightning before from two people with CoC going head to head. At the time, we'd just learned about CoA being projected off the body like a forcefield. There was no reason at the time to think of them as anything other than two isolated things. Luffy and Doflamingo were both using CoA when they got their lightning, so we know you can use two unique types of haki at once. So they're not touching because two CoA forcefields are touching each other instead, and the lightning comes out because that's what it does when top level guys go head to head.
Why would I assume they were using only CoC when they're using it to do the thing we just learned CoA does? Why would I assume it was something beyond advanced CoA when it looks like a perfected version of the CoA Luffy had just been learning?
Maybe Oda intended that moment as foreshadowing, but for me it really didn't work.
Those pages where Kaido is sent flying are beautifully drawn.
Yea, all those panels of Luffy using CoC feels different to what ive seen in a long time. Very nice to look at.
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I like the foreshadowing with White Beard and Roger
Yup, and now we really know why being a conqueror made the marines shit themselves.
The shockwave/internal force distinction for CoC and CoA I guess I can understand. Would've been better if we hadn't spent half the arc building up CoA to do such a similar thing.
But we're probably not going to find an answer that works for everyone and everything shown so far until Oda decides to actually explain the rules and limits with a bit more precision.
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I would say that scene reads completely different with what we know now. It didn't really set us up for the new revelations because at the time all evidence suggested CoC and CoA were separate things with distinct uses.
I'll walk you though my interpretation of the scene at the time. Whitebeard and Roger clash without touching and there's lots of lightning. Okay, we've seen the lightning before from two people with CoC going head to head. At the time, we'd just learned about CoA being projected off the body like a forcefield. There was no reason at the time to think of them as anything other than two isolated things. Luffy and Doflamingo were both using CoA when they got their lightning, so we know you can use two unique types of haki at once. So they're not touching because two CoA forcefields are touching each other instead, and the lightning comes out because that's what it does when top level guys go head to head.
Why would I assume they were using only CoC when they're using it to do the thing we just learned CoA does? Why would I assume it was something beyond advanced CoA when it looks like a perfected version of the CoA Luffy had just been learning?
Maybe Oda intended that moment as foreshadowing, but for me it really didn't work.
The first instance indicates this instance cuz they further explain what it is in this chapter.
When Shanks first uses CoC ppl had all types of theories but it came down to ppl thinking Shanks scared the shit out of seaking somehow. Later on we find out thst was CoC.
Oden watches Roger and WB clash but not even touch and even comments that they're not even touching. Then we see Luffy explain a bit and says he understands then does the same thing to Kaido and Law plays the Oden role and says they're not even touching.
Our assumptions inbetween those events don't matter. The earlier Roger and WB fight was the early indication.
@Zik:
The first instance indicates this instance cuz they further explain what it is in this chapter.
When Shanks first uses CoC ppl had all types of theories but it came down to ppl thinking Shanks scared the shit out of seaking somehow. Later on we find out thst was CoC.
Oden watches Roger and WB clash but not even touch and even comments that they're not even touching. Then we see Luffy explain a bit and says he understands then does the same thing to Kaido and Law plays the Oden role and says they're not even touching.
Our assumptions inbetween those events don't matter. The earlier Roger and WB fight was the early indication.
Oda definitely set a high bar showing that Roger and Whitebeard fight, and after what Luffy just did, more people might be starting to anticipate his fights than any of Roger and Whitebeard’s fights.
Re: Luffy being "in base".
Luffy doesn't transform into Gear 2nd or 3rd anymore. Instead, he incorporates aspects of both Gears into his regular fighting style as if they were any other Gomu Gomu attack. Gear 4th is his only non-base form at the moment. That he would test out his new theory of coating his attacks in CoC in a "regular" attack only makes sense. Now that he knows how to really hit Kaidou where it hurts, he can apply it to Bound/Snakeman.
This is another thing many overlook.
It's just more obvious with gear 3 always being available cuz he inflates his limbs and he usually only uses it now with CoA around it.
Nami will need Zeus before her fight so i think at least the return of Mum needs to be settled before we go downstair fully.
I agree with others regarding Zoros next matchup. It kinda makes me sad we no longer have Kyoshiro as a villain or rather we no longer have a prominent powerful samurai for Zoro to fight.
While we already got a Zoro vs samurai fight with Ryuma but for me it's still a bit disappointing we aren't getting another one in Wano.
Also I think right now could've been the perfect time for it.
Eeh com'on guys.
This one is a classic of Zoro from ancient times.
Is more or less what happened in Arlong Park, where he could've taken dowm Arlong himself, but couldn't because of the wound Mihawk gave him previously
He's now not capable of fighting and defeating a Calamity because of his current state, but a TR is not that out of the picture.
Let's also keep in mind that his achievements of Onigashima is what's gon be in the table for his next reward increase, and while hurting Apoo and cutting hybrid Kairados is impressive, I just don't think is enough
Plus, Denjiro could be opposing to the idea of Zoro weilding Enma, which could be resolved by having Denjiro losing to Sasaki and then Zoro does the job.
Plus plus, with the other armored fodders around, we could see Zoro using CoC consciously.
@Zik:
The first instance indicates this instance cuz they further explain what it is in this chapter.
When Shanks first uses CoC ppl had all types of theories but it came down to ppl thinking Shanks scared the shit out of seaking somehow. Later on we find out thst was CoC.
Oden watches Roger and WB clash but not even touch and even comments that they're not even touching. Then we see Luffy explain a bit and says he understands then does the same thing to Kaido and Law plays the Oden role and says they're not even touching.
Our assumptions inbetween those events don't matter. The earlier Roger and WB fight was the early indication.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. The Roger/Whitebeard clash was easily explained with everything we knew at the time. It's less foreshadowing and more setup for the twist that offensive CoC, not advanced CoA is the big battle skill of the arc. But the twist feels unearned because it doesn't play nice with how each kind of haki has been used previously. Without a little more to go on than "this thing you saw that other time was actually this instead of what you thought it was" the powerup ends up feeling cheap.
But that's just my perspective, and like I've said a few times already, it's not unsalvageable as a development if Oda takes it in the right direction.
You guys talking about Zoro being injured and done as if Marco isn't even on the island.
You guys talking about Zoro being injured and done as if Marco isn't even on the island.
It's actually really weird. Obviously he's out for the moment, but as far as we know there are two of the best doctors in the damn world nearby - Chopper and Law - plus the magical healing bird Marco
It's actually really weird. Obviously he's out for the moment, but as far as we know there are two of the best doctors in the damn world nearby - Chopper and Law - plus the magical healing bird Marco
Not even mentioning the mysterious figure who did some mundane patching up on the Scabbards.
I think we've had our big Zoro highlight for the arc, but if Oda wants to get one last little push out of the guy he's definitely got more than enough ways to justify it.
I kind of get where Joy Boy is coming from, I thought it was gonna be more of a group effort to take down Kaido, because of his title of Strongest
If I remember correctly, he stated that the best course of action to take down Kaido was to Luffy attack him from behind while Kaido is being distracted like Big Mom.
As if that is some sort of master storytelling lol.
You guys talking about Zoro being injured and done as if Marco isn't even on the island.
Well he's only done in that I don't expect a 1v1 fight from him, his performance against Kaido will be his main highlight, which shouldn't be controversial to say. Outside of that, he can do whatever he wants if Oda wants to have him remain conscious later on, that's perfectly fine.
As for Marco, I didn't forget him, literally the first chapter of the arc has him confirm that his healing powers aren't nearly as effective when used on other people. It's not like Mansherry's ability where it can instantly heal you completely no matter how badly you're injured. Like obviously it would be better than nothing, but I don't see a scenario where it's enough to justify Zoro having some big 1v1 fight. Same with the other medics scattered around.
If there a haki category on 'Jumping to conclusion", no one beats JB.
In any case, as someone already said, Luffy knew the basics of CoC, he mastered it's controlled use in terms of enemy vs civilian. All he needed to do is to know that it can used in a concentrated manner similar to CoA, which he had been training for the entire arc. Every ingredient was there, he simply applied it for the first time.
It's not even remotely close of an asspull as it was for G2/3. Even then, it was established that Luffy picks up on technique when he fights against them. I really don't get the argument.
And as certain someone is screaming in the forum, no, Luffy didn't beat the shit out of Kaido. He simply landed a solid punch. That too to a character who has not shown much ability in terms of dodging because he is used to being a Tank.
Let the entire fight play out
It's actually really weird. Obviously he's out for the moment, but as far as we know there are two of the best doctors in the damn world nearby - Chopper and Law - plus the magical healing bird Marco
Oda has done crazier leaps in last few chapters alone.
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Well he's only done in that I don't expect a 1v1 fight from him, his performance against Kaido will be his main highlight, which shouldn't be controversial to say. Outside of that, he can do whatever he wants if Oda wants to have him remain conscious later on, that's perfectly fine.
As for Marco, I didn't forget him, literally the first chapter of the arc has him confirm that his healing powers aren't nearly as effective when used on other people. It's not like Mansherry's ability where it can instantly heal you completely no matter how badly you're injured. Like obviously it would be better than nothing, but I don't see a scenario where it's enough to justify Zoro having some big 1v1 fight. Same with the other medics scattered around.
Of course Marco can't instantly heal other people to 100% like he does with himself, but to monster like Zoro even a little healing should be enough. In this arc even a chump like Kanjuro is running around half dead while mind controlling a perfect Oden clone engaged in a fight. Zoro is on another level completely.
If there a haki category on 'Jumping to conclusion", no one beats JB.
In any case, as someone already said, Luffy knew the basics of CoC, he mastered it's controlled use in terms of enemy vs civilian. All he needed to do is to know that it can used in a concentrated manner similar to CoA, which he had been training for the entire arc. Every ingredient was there, he simply applied it for the first time.
It's not even remotely close of an asspull as it was for G2/3. Even then, it was established that Luffy picks up on technique when he fights against them. I really don't get the argument.
And as certain someone is screaming in the forum, no, Luffy didn't beat the shit out of Kaido. He simply landed a solid punch. That too to a character who has not shown much ability in terms of dodging because he is used to being a Tank.
Let the entire fight play out
I think that the main critic is that, even if it won't be easy, in the end, Luffy will beat the strongest creature in a 1 vs 1.
I'm really curious how Oda will make the future enemies a threat level above Kaido. I suppose Black Beard has the conqueror haki even if it is not official yet because his devil fruit powers don't seem to be sufficient against a haki powerful user.
I suppose the next power up will be the awaking of Luffy devil's fruit, I don't think we will see it here when we just had a big power up.