Sadly it might mean that someone forces their way in after Jinbro.
Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 8 - Onigashima)
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Yeah, after this chapter it's a done deal. Yamato's joining.
It's not even going to be fun to debate at this point, since like Jinbe before him, it's just denial after this point from people that don't like the character or have a different preference.
I saw the potential week 1 but didn't believe because of Nami face. I voted in the poll in like month 2 after I was convinced that face was different enough. Officially said I was all in just the other week. But it's a done deal now.
I can understand if others still need a fruit and a flashback to be fully convinced but… it's done.
We've passed the point of red herring tease "too many checkboxes to be true" and into "too many checkboxes because Oda's generally blatant about this."
Yamato leaving Momo's side allowed Kanjuro and Kaido to threaten the kid, and also may have doomed Kiku and Kin'emon.
1. Yamato would also have fallen for the Oden fake and would just have a sword in his stomach if he'd stayed. Also, his introducing himself as Oden to Kinemon would have been… bad... for similar reasons.
2. Unless we get fire festival ghosts (in which case all bets are off, and this chapter re-establishes as possibility) those characters will be fine when the arc is done. No one is "doomed". And if it DOES go the fire festival route it'll be treated as an appropriate optimistic thing rather than a tragedy.
But Kinemon has a wife to get back to, he should be fine.
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Yeah, after this chapter it's a done deal. Yamato's joining.
It's not even going to be fun to debate at this point, since like Jinbe before him, it's just denial after this point from people that don't like the character or have a different preference.
I saw the potential week 1 but didn't believe because of Nami face. I voted in the poll in like month 2. Officially said I was all in just the other week. But it's a done deal now.
I can understand if others still need a fruit and a flashback to be fully convinced but… it's done.
We've passed the point of red herring tease "too many checkboxes to be true" and into "too many checkboxes because Oda's generally blatant about this."
1. Yamato would also have fallen for the Oden fake and would just have a sword in his stomach if he'd stayed.
2. Unless we get fire festival ghosts (in which case all bets are off, and this chapter re-establishes as possibility) those characters will be fine when the arc is done. No one is "doomed".
This… And I hope that Luffy will say something like the crew is complete that I never have to read about it again
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This… And I hope that Luffy will say something like the crew is complete that I never have to read about it again
Or just flashback to when he said he needed 10.
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Luffy will never say out-loud that the crew is complete. That would be out-of-character.
But what I could see is that in the after-party where they celebrate Jinbe and Yamato joining, Luffy will think back about his "10" line while watching his 10 crewmates around him.
While not being a straight confirmation, inserting such flashback at that particular point would be a meta-way for Oda to tell the readers that it's complete.
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Would love to see it
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I can understand the 'red herring's argument, but I think Oda is just being straightforward here, like he was with Brook for example.
Yeah, changing it up after how Franky’s recruitment turned out, with how Luffy gave Brook freedom and all.
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So what Straw Hats will Yamato become close with? Jinbe's got a weird thing going on with apparent fish-fanatic Robin so far. Maybe Yamato will hang with Zoro? Or go shopping with Nami and Robin? Brook still needs a bestie.
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Yamato is predestined to fall for Usopp's lies
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He and Sunker will go and perv on girls
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Or just flashback to when he said he needed 10.
This… And I hope that Luffy will say something like the crew is complete that I never have to read about it again
Now this is what I hope doesn't happen.
Give me my Strawhat 13!
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Yeah He and Sanji will be besties
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So I realize Yamato is adamant on joining the crew, but what is her utility? Oden when joining Roger’s ship knew how to read Poneglyphs and helped Roger and the crew read the Poneglyphs and figure out the true history.
What role would Yamato play then? Sure she knows what Oden wrote down in his journal but figuring out the true history is what Robin’s role is supposed to be and the crew was meant to come up with a different solution/perspective than the Roger crew according to Rayleigh, so Yamato’s perspective wouldn’t be ideal.
This goes back to my annoyance that Yamato is there to expedite the plot. If she’s used to lead the crew to plot points in the story that would be an annoying and lazy convenience for the crew to reach the final destination, exactly the kind of thing Luffy seemed adamantly against in Sabaody.
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Luffy will never say out-loud that the crew is complete. That would be out-of-character.
But what I could see is that in the after-party where they celebrate Jinbe and Yamato joining, Luffy will think back about his "10" line while watching his 10 crewmates around him.
While not being a straight confirmation, inserting such flashback at that particular point would be a meta-way for Oda to tell the readers that it's complete.
I'd sooner expect Oda to mention the crew is complete in an interview or a SBS.
I also could see after Yamato joins a fan saying 10 ppl are now in Luffy's crew so the crew is complete only for Oda to hint that it is not.
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So I realize Yamato is adamant on joining the crew, but what is her utility? Oden when joining Roger’s ship knew how to read Poneglyphs and helped Roger and the crew read the Poneglyphs and figure out the true history.
What role would Yamato play then? Sure she knows what Oden wrote down in his journal but figuring out the true history is what Robin’s role is supposed to be and the crew was meant to come up with a different solution/perspective than the Roger crew according to Rayleigh, so Yamato’s perspective wouldn’t be ideal.
This goes back to my annoyance that Yamato is there to expedite the plot. If she’s used to lead the crew to plot points in the story that would be an annoying and lazy convenience for the crew to reach the final destination, exactly the kind of thing Luffy seemed adamantly against in Sabaody.
No need to worry (and complain) about something that hasn't even happened. Just cuz you cant envision what Yamato's role will be doesn't mean it'll be the scenario you dont like or want.
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Yamato could become the logkeeper to mirror Oden, he could be the stonemason to leave whatever they find out in eligible text in new Poneglyphs for anyone to find (it would be naive to assume that no one will ever try to return things to the way the World Government ruled), he could become the combatant and Zoro gets promoted to Vice Captain (Oda changed the family dynamics with Jimbei so there is some sort of precedent)
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Considering we didn't even get the climax? Not any less than 30, and not counting the epilogue.
I'm only worried about the lenght of Kaido/Yamato's fb.
PayPay, Ulti and Kanjuro are proof that Oda is not going to dedicate absurd amounts of battle against the smaller minions, BlackMa, Sasaki, WW, Perospero, Hawkins, Apoo and Fukurokuju are likely to end up defeated in similar fashion.
The Calamities do deserve more, besides the fighting, there are nothing more to cover up in the remainig of the arc, and its looking painfully obvious that by the time Onigashima reaches the Capital, only Kaido will be still standing by then.
35/38 chapters tops it in my mind.
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Yams could be the guy who hung on to a rope long enough for everyone but Zoro to be suitably impressed
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I've been leaning toward a final crew total of 13 (including Luffy) for some time, in part because I am fully expecting Vivi to return within the next arc or two.
Consequently, I doubt the crew will be "complete" once Yamato joins the team, unless Wano ends up giving us two new crewmembers somehow (above and beyond Jinbe). Regardless of how the official numbering shakes out (who is #11, who is #12), I'm expecting at least one more, with Vivi rounding the crew out at #13.
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Honestly? I think it'd be funny if he ended up as an apprentice lol.
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pff Tama's colorspread holds more weight than some words by a delusional fool.
All hail Tama! The last nakama!
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I can understand the 'red herring's argument.
No, it makes no sense anymore, no red herring in the history of Shueisha has ever appeared in a WSJ cover along with the main character.
Red herring do get suspicious amounts of attention inside the story, Yamato's bulk of attention outside the manga makes it look like a huge investment from the author for just one red herring.
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Yamato gained a lot of points this chapter but him wanting to join the crew isn't really news. He was in the "at the very least it is a red herring" territory before, and still is.
Which is the highest territory anyone has been since post-timeskip, to be fair. There is no evidence Oda has even considered the possibility that Carrot or another character could join, while for Yamato he has considered it and made it a major plot point. Now it's either follow through with it, or subvert it.
The only time Oda actually used red herrings intentionally was Water 7, but it was quite short-lived since Franky became obvious midway through the arc.
Oda has limited time and energy, so he needs to make sure his story is focused on stuff that actually matters instead of fakeouts.
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I've kept myself out of these discussions, only lurking to see how the tides were going.
I was already leaning towards Yamato since his first appearance, but I needed more. I needed to know for sure this wasn't just another bait-and-switch red herring. Then we had the Ace connection, regular chapter appearances, interactions with Luffy, Shonen Jump cover alongside Luffy, being on two volume covers also alongside Luffy, and now Yams is facing off against Kaido until Luffy returns with reconfirmation on wanting to sail with Luffy.
It's 99% a done deal. The only thing keeping it from being 100% is the possibility of Yamato just being a tag-along and not a full-fledge member….and even that is becoming very unlikely.
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No, it makes no sense anymore, no red herring in the history of Shueisha has ever appeared in a WSJ cover along with the main character.
Red herring do get suspicious amounts of attention inside the story, Yamato's bulk of attention outside the manga makes it look like a huge investment from the author for just one red herring.
I said I can understand the arguments, I didn't say I supported or believed in them
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Yams could be the guy who hung on to a rope long enough for everyone but Zoro to be suitably impressed
That's what I've been picturing, too. What better way to mirror Oden than by leaving Wano and joining the same way he did. Although, I expect there will be a twist to it so that Yams isn't out in the water for 3 whole days.
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No, it makes no sense anymore, no red herring in the history of Shueisha has ever appeared in a WSJ cover along with the main character.
Red herring do get suspicious amounts of attention inside the story, Yamato's bulk of attention outside the manga makes it look like a huge investment from the author for just one red herring.
even if Yamato doesnt join, his role far exceeds the "red herring" role since he is tied to the dawn of the world along with Momo (and probably Carrot), as well as appearing on a wsj cover is cool and all, its not a new crewmate guarantee, I dont think Jinbe has even appeared on one yet, Vivi, Law, lots of main villains and movie characters has.
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even if Yamato doesnt join, his role far exceeds the "red herring" role since he is tied to the dawn of the world along with Momo (and probably Carrot), as well as appearing on a wsj cover is cool and all, its not a new crewmate guarantee, I dont think Jinbe has even appeared on one yet, Vivi, Law, lots of main villains and movie characters has.
Well, excluding the cover… There's also the flashback in 999 and 1000 milestone chapters that gave Yamato just as much focus as Luffy. The multiple statements about leaving to the vivre card tying Yamato to Luffy OR the fact he knows Luffys secret dream.
Point is... With this chapter plus what we've seen already... Yamato is a done deal.
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pff Tama's colorspread holds more weight than some words by a delusional fool.
All hail Tama! The last nakama!
I thought Yamato would be going to Kaido and Luffy. Instead, Oda removed Luffy for proper father/son time. Hopefully, Oda reunites Luffy and Yamato and doesn't drag it out like the Momo duty.
Now Tama continues to get more Straw Hats to associate with.
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WOOT! Yamato finally confirmed as part of the crew! Finally one of my predictions came out true!
I really do enjoy her as a character, she's in my top Strawhats to be honest! I like her childlike personality xD
How many more chapters is everyone predicting this arc will last?
30 to 35 is my prediction, though it feels a bit low, so maybe 40+? I think 2022 will mark the end of this arc, I think.
After Yamato….will we close this thread?
Not sure, depends if Oda gives us hints that Yamato is the final member to join the crew, so I guess we see.
ZEUS, of course! Or is it Watta/Cotton/Fluff now?
Actually, would Zeus even be considered a new crewmember since he's with Nami now? I wonder what he would be considered as, now that he is with the Strawhats.
I mean, there was that comment Luffy made about Sanji's wife becoming another crew member.
I'm sure that's still gonna go somewhere… right?
;_____________;
Oooo, time to ship Sanji x Yamato!
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Well, excluding the cover… There's also the flashback in 999 and 1000 milestone chapters that gave Yamato just as much focus as Luffy. The multiple statements about leaving to the vivre card tying Yamato to Luffy OR the fact he knows Luffys secret dream.
Point is... With this chapter plus what we've seen already... Yamato is a done deal.
Yamato was also featured on Volume 100’s cover alongside Luffy, Ace, Sanji, and Zoro. It might seem more apparent if she was shown fighting directly alongside them, but I think it can still lend to the idea.
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To be honest, this would make a great desktop background, hopefully when the volumes all come out, someone will put them together for use for stuff like this.
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I thought Yamato would be going to Kaido and Luffy. Instead, Oda removed Luffy for proper father/son time. Hopefully, Oda reunites Luffy and Yamato and doesn't drag it out like the Momo duty.
Now Tama continues to get more Straw Hats to associate with.
Sanji seems to be next. And it seems like she will get a scar on the cheek from Ulti, similar to Shanks lol.
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I'd sooner expect Oda to mention the crew is complete in an interview or a SBS.
I also could see after Yamato joins a fan saying 10 ppl are now in Luffy's crew so the crew is complete only for Oda to hint that it is not.
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No need to worry (and complain) about something hasn't even happened. Just cuz you cant envision what Yamato's role will be doesn't mean it'll be the scenario you dont like or want.
With Jinbe people called out his role being Helmsman from way back when the prisoners escaped Impel Down (which I still find silly given the crew has never really had issues with steering the Thousand Sunny, at least in the same way the notion that the crew needs a shipwrights has been brought up occurred).
And the whole point of forums and discussions are speculation. I’m imagining what Yamato’s role would be based on what we’ve seen so far, and I’m pointing out my concerns about those observations.
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With Jinbe people called out his role being Helmsman from way back when the prisoners escaped Impel Down (which I still find silly given the crew has never really had issues with steering the Thousand Sunny, at least in the same way the notion that the crew needs a shipwrights has been brought up occurred).
And the whole point of forums and discussions are speculation. I’m imagining what Yamato’s role would be based on what we’ve seen so far, and I’m pointing out my concerns about those observations.
Yeah, recruits tend to hint at or present their occupation in the arc they’re introduced in.
Yamato has been shown to be defending or fighting for others quite a bit, so perhaps a bodyguard sort of role would be fitting.
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Most obvious role for Yamato is logbook keeper. Yes, it's weird that someone is only making a logbook in the final leg of the journey, but it could work if there is a short timeskip between here and Laugh Tale (like one year or something, or multiple short bursts that amount to a year or two). It worked for Oden.
Next, we have something silly, like stoaway or apprentice. Yamato is literally the "extra" of the crew and that is played for laughs.
I'm not sure if I follow the stonemason thing, though?
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Zoros function on board is to stab people inbetwenn naps and protein shakes. I'm sure Yams can fill an equally useful slot
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Like I said earlier, this is definitely a big win for Yamato supporters. One of my personal sticking points was seeing how finding out Momo was alive and spending time with him would affect Yamato's motivation, but this chapter proved that Luffy is still his top priority. Any issues I may still have don't really hold up against such a black and white declaration like that, so I won't make a nuisance of myself about it. This is your two weeks minimum to bask.
The only thing I'll say is that while Carrot's story and the fulfillment of Pedro's will is still open, I feel I have a duty to see that through to the end of this arc. Because of that, I still can't join you on the Yamato train, but I won't be complaining once he's official.
I am at work on a Jolly Roger for Yamato to fulfill the last wager Robby and I had. Anyone can use it how they wish, and I do sincerely tip my hat to you all.
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Most obvious role for Yamato is logbook keeper. Yes, it's weird that someone is only making a logbook in the final leg of the journey, but it could work if there is a short timeskip between here and Laugh Tale (like one year or something, or multiple short bursts that amount to a year or two). It worked for Oden.
Next, we have something silly, like stoaway or apprentice. Yamato is literally the "extra" of the crew and that is played for laughs.
I'm not sure if I follow the stonemason thing, though?
To be fair for Oden though, Oden traveled the world with the Roger crew, being with them to Skypiea, Water 7, the whole journey to finding the Road Poneglyphs.
Admittedly whatever final end game that is bound to occur will likely involve world travel by some folks but I dunno if Oda is gonna have the crew be the ones that do the traveling.
And again, Robin played the role of the stowaway.
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Like I said earlier, this is definitely a big win for Yamato supporters. One of my personal sticking points was seeing how finding out Momo was alive and spending time with him would affect Yamato's motivation, but this chapter proved that Luffy is still his top priority. Any issues I may still have don't really hold up against such a black and white declaration like that, so I won't make a nuisance of myself about it. This is your two weeks minimum to bask.
The only thing I'll say is that while Carrot's story and the fulfillment of Pedro's will is still open, I feel I have a duty to see that through to the end of this arc. Because of that, I still can't join you on the Yamato train, but I won't be complaining once he's official.
I am at work on a Jolly Roger for Yamato to fulfill the last wager Robby and I had. Anyone can use it how they wish, and I do sincerely tip my hat to you all.
Yamato talking about wanting to go on Luffy’s ship back in Chapter 985 and I never got the feeling that changed since. Oden talked about the whole world awaiting for a certain someone to bring the dawn to the world, in addition to Momo’s role at Wano, so maybe that would give enough motivation for Yamato to go along with Luffy in somehow achieving the dawn being brought to the rest of the world, whatever that may be.
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Yeah, recruits tend to hint at or present their occupation in the arc they’re introduced in.
Yamato has been shown to be defending or fighting for others quite a bit, so perhaps a bodyguard sort of role would be fitting.
I would be really bummed out if her role is protecting folks like Usopp and Nami. It would really undermine their importance in the crew and everything they were meant to go towards.
Bodyguards for other weaklings that are meant to travel along with the SHs could work, but then that would imply weaklings that need protection are going to be along the journey as well. It’d be horrific if the journey required Momo or Shirahoshi (people that came to mind for body guarding) to be along the crew’s ship for an extended period of time for the final battle for Yamato to be considered the “protector”. Though I’d be down if she’d do that because Vivi was brought back on the crew somehow.
Lookout though I guess would fit that role too. Like helmsman, there’s been no hinting that the crew has needed a lookout before now, and the crew has done a good job just taking turns doing that role just fine, but I guess Yamato could be the official “lookout” in ensuring incoming threats are spotted (though I feel like that should be the sniper’s job aka Usopp? Whenever I think lookout I always think Van Augur’s scene in Jaya and how they need somebody with a skillful eye to spot threats from that far).
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Zoros function on board is to stab people inbetwenn naps and protein shakes. I'm sure Yams can fill an equally useful slot
Zoro’s the First Mate. He’s shown to keep the crew protected like when Luffy is in trouble like in Thriller Bark or during Whiskey Peak or keep the Captain in check with fulfilling the Captain duties like during post Water 7 in regards to making sure the crew takes Usopp rejoining the crew seriously.
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Yamato was also featured on Volume 100’s cover alongside Luffy, Ace, Sanji, and Zoro. It might seem more apparent if she was shown fighting directly alongside them, but I think it can still lend to the idea.
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You could've used a fanmade tho;
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I would be really bummed out if her role is protecting folks like Usopp and Nami. It would really undermine their importance in the crew and everything they were meant to go towards.
Bodyguards for other weaklings that are meant to travel along with the SHs could work, but then that would imply weaklings that need protection are going to be along the journey as well. It’d be horrific if the journey required Momo or Shirahoshi (people that came to mind for body guarding) to be along the crew’s ship for an extended period of time for the final battle for Yamato to be considered the “protector”. Though I’d be down if she’d do that because Vivi was brought back on the crew somehow.
Lookout though I guess would fit that role too. Like helmsman, there’s been no hinting that the crew has needed a lookout before now, and the crew has done a good job just taking turns doing that role just fine, but I guess Yamato could be the official “lookout” in ensuring incoming threats are spotted (though I feel like that should be the sniper’s job aka Usopp? Whenever I think lookout I always think Van Augur’s scene in Jaya and how they need somebody with a skillful eye to spot threats from that far).
Plus between Observation haki and Nami’s precog abilities for the weather, again, lookout seems redundant, but it is a traditional pirate crew role.I mean, Luffy almost used up a lot of energy in using Gear Fourth against Ulti and was scolded by Sanji to conserve his energy for Kaido. This along with losing Round 2, possibly due to running out of stamina, could lend to not only protecting the less intense fighters like Nami and Usopp, but also helping ensure Luffy remains in top form.
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Like I said earlier, this is definitely a big win for Yamato supporters. One of my personal sticking points was seeing how finding out Momo was alive and spending time with him would affect Yamato's motivation, but this chapter proved that Luffy is still his top priority. Any issues I may still have don't really hold up against such a black and white declaration like that, so I won't make a nuisance of myself about it. This is your two weeks minimum to bask.
The only thing I'll say is that while Carrot's story and the fulfillment of Pedro's will is still open, I feel I have a duty to see that through to the end of this arc. Because of that, I still can't join you on the Yamato train, but I won't be complaining once he's official.
I am at work on a Jolly Roger for Yamato to fulfill the last wager Robby and I had. Anyone can use it how they wish, and I do sincerely tip my hat to you all.
I mean I'm 100% on board with Carrot getting a plot resolution I just don't think that is remotely close to making her a viable strawhat candidate at this point.
She screams more "loose end" to me than "the new member of the main cast". The drought of panel time for her has been too severe. Oda doesn't often do red herrings but what he does even less often is let a new strawhat just vanish for over 90% of their joining arc.
I'm more on board with Tama right now than I'm with Carrot. Tama has issues but at least Oda seems interested in having her be part of One Piece. Though at this point Tama is more likely to join along with Yamato than alone.
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Next, we have something silly, like stoaway or apprentice.
Apprentice is an official position with plenty of recognistion within the series.
It gives you an idea when Lookout for instance, is never been official or recognized within 25 years of serialization.
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Apprentice is an official position with plenty of recognistion within the series.
Sure, but Yamato being apprentice in a crew that has the Weak Trio would be silly as hell.
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Edit: Dual apprentices Yamato and Tama, anyone?
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Ok. I'm still on the USS Carrot until it goes under, but there are a few of things about Yamato that bother me.
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Why he hasn't spent more than a few panels with SH Pirates. So far, it's just been Luffy (while serving as an exposition dump and to have his cuffs removed) and running past Franky while protecting Momo. It just seems weird. We can assume that Luffy will be back after Yamato's inevitable defeat, which still wouldn't have him out there around the other SHs. I can't figure out why Oda would take this approach.
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Yamato's strength. Right now, he's "holding off" an emperor seemingly with CoC (without even using his DF yet either). Putting someone like on the crew would immediately make them the second strongest SH. Could Zoro, Jinbe, or Sanji hold off Kaido? Nope. It would feel really unsatisfactory watching the SHs strength grow over the last 20 years just to see Zoro and Sanji now get outclassed. Hell, Oda made us wait forever for someone like Jinbe to join and it was likely due to how strong he was compared to the rest of the crew.
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Yamato was super Nami-face this chapter. Sorry. I had to. :)
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Why would anyone think Tama is joining? She's a weak kid with a devil fruit that's uniquely useful in this specific arc, and she's already talked about how she wants to see Wano with Momo as Shogun.
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Tamas role has consistently been hostage that needs saving. She's not ready to sail
She's also got an army of beast pirates to keep in line now.
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Sure, but Yamato being apprentice in a crew that has the Weak Trio would be silly as hell.
There was plenty of weaklings in Newgate's crew when Teach jumped in, I also image not everyone in Roger's was a powerhouse either
What really counts is experience, Nami, Usopp and Chopper ARE experienced Pirates for over two years, visited tons of islands, challenged the Marines and WG, they know what is like to leave one island, navigate the harsh Grand Line sea and discover a brand new island ahead.
Yamato doesn't have any of that.
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There was plenty of weaklings in Newgate's crew when Teach jumped in, I also image not everyone in Roger's was a powerhouse either
What really counts is experience, Nami, Usopp and Chopper ARE experienced Pirates for over two years, visited tons of islands, challenged the Marines and WG, they know what is like to leave one island, navigate the harsh Grand Line sea and discover a brand new island ahead.
Yamato doesn't have any of that.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then, cuz we both think apprentice is fine but disagree on how we would feel about it.
Personally I think there is a lot of potential comedy to be had about a 28 year old, insanely tall, oni-human with a potential scary zoan acting like a new kid.
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Why would anyone think Tama is joining? She's a weak kid with a devil fruit that's uniquely useful in this specific arc, and she's already talked about how she wants to see Wano with Momo as Shogun.
I mean I wouldn't bet on it but Tama is like a 5%, as opposed to Carrot's… 0.5%? 0.1%?
She's got a dream, an easy fit with the apprentice role, and a promise from Ace. That is something, at least.