Yamato literally stated he wants to go out to Sea
whether he'll join or not is something entirely different
True. Oden also just wanted to go out to the sea and ended up joining Whitebeard and later on Roger:ninja:
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I'm very against Momo joining, because I think it's bad taste after what Oden leaving caused to his country.
Wano needs a shogun who can be there, for once.
Momo is a child. At best he'll be a figurehead shogun until he reaches majority, so there's no comparison to Oden leaving here. Also, Momo has a sister who could easily be shogun in his place since she's spent the last 20 years actually helping the country any way she could alongside Denjiro.
This doesn't mean that Momo will join the Strawhats, but I don't see a reason why he MUST stay in Wano.
Besides that, one argument in favor of Momo travelling with the Strawhats is that, during Zou, it was made a point that Oden died before passing down to Momo some of the traditions of the Kouzuki clan, like reading/writing the ancient language and carving the Poneglyphs, so travelling with Robin could help him restore the knowledge of the clan (since she can teach him to read/write the language), and then discovering the truth of the world in Laugh Tale is an important plot for the family.
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I definitely see the argument that Yamato's being set up to join Momo's court as a new retainer, but I'm not sure I fully buy it just yet. I think it undersells Yamato's early characterization (the connection to Ace, full on asking Luffy to take him to sea with him) in the service of overplaying what I consider to be his more short-term motivations (aiding the Kozuki rebellion, keeping Momonosuke safe, defeating his father).
Is he interested in opening Wano's border and keeping Momo safe? Sure, but so are the Akazaya, the Yakuza bosses, the samurai, and (presumably) the people of Wano writ large, once their emancipation from Kaidou becomes real. While I have full confidence that Yamato will be on good terms with Momo and the Akazaya by the end of the arc, the goals seemingly binding him to Wano are things that the Akazaya are already planning to do anyway. Yamato joining the Akazaya doesn't change anything, doesn't shift the direction of their plans, it just serves to give him a place to go - it's roughly equivalent to saying "eh, they can just join the Grand Fleet", except it ignores his stated interest in going out to sea and leaves Yamato pretty much stuck in a friendlier version of the place he's been stuck in for most of his life, when he's already made it clear he wants to leave, even if he also wants to make it better.
To be sure, he cares about Wano and the Kozuki Shogunate's wellbeing, but so did Oden, and I think that comparison is apt even beyond Yamato's admittedly over-the-top veneration of the man. Oden felt okay to leave Wano the first time because he believed it to be in safe hands with his father - the knowledge that Wano and Momonosuke are in good, capable hands who will do what needs to be done only serves to free Yamato to pursue his own ambitions, in my mind.
Still obviously quite a bit of arc left to go, so plenty of room for development to shift things one way or another, but I'm not convinced that Yamato's fate is to simply become a retainer for Momonosuke, or even if it is, that this would necessarily preclude him from sailing with the Strawhats.
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Momo needs to become his own man and step away from his father's shadow. That might mean staying on Zou and ruling as Shogun in a way Oden couldnt, instead of being a great warrior. It could be something else, but nothing comes to mind.
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I definitely see the argument that Yamato's being set up to join Momo's court as a new retainer, but I'm not sure I fully buy it just yet. I think it undersells Yamato's early characterization (the connection to Ace, full on asking Luffy to take him to sea with him) in the service of overplaying what I consider to be his more short-term motivations (aiding the Kozuki rebellion, keeping Momonosuke safe, defeating his father).
Well, the trait that has been most emphatically hammered down since Yamato's introduction is his passion for Oden's legacy, and the first goal Yamato has ever stated (in his early characterization) is the intent of carrying Oden's will and opening the borders of the country. So it's understandable why people are focusing on this side of him instead.
The desire to go out to sea is real, and we shall see how this sugestion will play out, but right now it is the least important thing in Yamato's development.
And, quite honestly, Momo and Yamato becoming tight friends who will stick together from now on is just too perfect considering who are their fathers. It even sounds scripted… Oh, it is.
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Well, the trait that has been most emphatically hammered down since Yamato's introduction is his passion for Oden's legacy, and the first goal Yamato has ever stated (in his early characterization) is the intent of carrying Oden's will and opening the borders of the country. So it's understandable why people are focusing on this side of him instead.
The desire to go out to sea is real, and we shall see how this sugestion will play out, but right now it is the least important thing in Yamato's development.
I agree on all points. All I'm saying is that the goal of opening Wano's borders is basically equivalent to beating Kaidou and restoring the Kozuki Shogunate - it's something that's going to happen regardless of whether Yamato gets personally involved, and frankly I have a hard time believing that it's something that would be more involved than a decree issued by the new Shogun. While I'm sure there will be logistical concerns that need to be sorted out, for narrative purposes it's entirely possible that the goal of opening Wano's borders could be completed by the end of the arc.
Saying Yamato has to stay behind because he wants to open Wano's borders just rings a bit hollow to me.
And, quite honestly, Momo and Yamato becoming tight friends who will stick together from now on is just too perfect considering who are their fathers. It even sounds scripted… Oh, it is.
I don't disagree, and I'd also note that, were it not for time travel shenaniganry, they'd actually be the same age.
But I don't think them forging a friendship, or even something of a family dynamic, necessarily prevents Yamato from going on a journey with the Strawhats - it just gives him a place to return to once the journey's over.
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I don't believe Yamato is going to become a future crewmate either, but specifically your reply to my post didn't sound very objective to me, honestly. In response to my sugestion that Yamato could join the crew alongside Momo (since they're being tagged together), you brought up the reasoning that two more nakama besides Jimbe is not happening, that you're actively against it, which I think is much more subjective than anything else.
I'm not saying that your argument is invalid due to subjectivity, and it's a fair reason to base your own expectation on your instincts… but you shouldn't quickly dismiss as you did the possibility that Yamato and Momo could be developed as a pair of future crewmates.
You said I was ignoring the possibility. When I said I’m actively against it, I meant that I acknowledge the idea, but I choose not to agree with it. I don’t think it would help the story to have lots of people join the crew at once, that’s my analysis separate from my feelings. I certainly won’t complain if we get more than 11 Straw Hats. As for what I should or shouldn’t dismiss, that’s my own choice, and I’ll answer for it when the time comes. But my reasons are not personal, I assure you.
But Jimbe is not joining together "right now all at once" with anybody else. Jimbe is a crewmember already. For example, let's compare him with Carrot, who we both believe could join and who has been together with the crew for more than a hundred chapters. Let's see: (1) Jimbe is in the big Strawhats panel in chapter 988, (2) Jimbe is officially treated as a complete Strawhat even in the most mundane moments now, (3) Jimbe is featured in colorspreads now, (4) Jimbe had many joining scenes in the past and (5) Jimbe is put as a crewmate in merchandising and promotion… while Carrot is not portrayed like that at all. The reason is simple. It's because one of them is a Strawhats already and the other is not. So if Carrot joins the crew at the end of Wano, she's not joining together with Jimbe. No, she's joining alone (or together with Yamato). For the same reason, Jimbe won't be sharing the spotlight with Carrot or anynbody else because his recruitment has already happened even if the toast was delayed.
As I said before, I think you're putting too much weight into the end-of-arc celebration as a big moment for Jimbe, as his ritual of officialization, which I think is not. It will be indeed a big moment for Carrot if she joins, or for Yamato, or for Momo, or for Tama... and for them it would be sharing the spotlight if more than one of them joined together (with the exception of Momo and Yamato for the reason of being a pair). But for Jimbe it's only a toast.
All in all, this celebration will be a huge end-of-super-saga celebration and will wrap up many different plot threads from the last 10 years, so it would not be surprising if Oda did an unprecedented amount of big moments without one diminishing the other.
You do realize I haven’t even mentioned the party today, right? I said Jinbe is official now, in Wano, meaning as of his arrival. He got his title card, he got his color spreads, I’m pretty satisfied. I’m not worried about his welcome toast being upstaged, since like I said, his buildup will ensure he still stands tall next to anyone.
But the reality is that Wano is the arc Jinbe joined; not Fishman Island, not Totto Land. Everything that came before, for whatever reason Oda had in mind, was leading up to Jinbe joining in Wano. We get one more, whether Carrot, Yamato, Momo, whoever, that’ll be two in one arc: that’s the “right now” I was talking about, this arc. Two Straw Hats in one arc is already uncharted territory. And hitting three in one arc just does not seem plausible to me.
What I do think is that the party will be the jumping off point for the last person to join. Otherwise, there was no reason to delay it. One of the single most important events in this series is when someone joins the Straw Hat crew. The only reason I can see to delay celebrating someone joining is for someone else to join as well, especially if it completes Luffy’s ideal group of ten. More than that, though? I just don't think so.
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I agree on all points. All I'm saying is that the goal of opening Wano's borders is basically equivalent to beating Kaidou and restoring the Kozuki Shogunate - it's something that's going to happen regardless of whether Yamato gets personally involved, and frankly I have a hard time believing that it's something that would be more involved than a decree issued by the new Shogun. While I'm sure there will be logistical concerns that need to be sorted out, for narrative purposes it's entirely possible that the goal of opening Wano's borders could be completed by the end of the arc.
Saying Yamato has to stay behind because he wants to open Wano's borders just rings a bit hollow to me.
Yes, I actually think that opening the borders of Wano will be resolved with a decree, although I have hope for something else extra regarding this plotline (a theory of mine about immigration).
That said, I'm not personally focusing on opening the borders as the thing which will tie Yamato down to staying in Wano, but rather the intent of carrying Oden's will, which only the first step is to open the borders, but I guess there's something deeper after that. So what is Yamato supposed to do "as Oden" after that? Or is Yamato even supposed to continue being Oden instead of discovering his own personal goals?
Honestly, these things are all open to different outcomes, so anything is possible, but right now what has not been highlighted is Yamato's desire to become a pirate, especially considering when he said that he didn't even know that Momonosuke and the scabbards were still alive. The narrative right now is leaning way more towards his affiliation with the Kouzuki. Yamato's last sentence is very powerful - "I would die for you".
You see, even in name Yamato is a homage to Japan.
I don't disagree, and I'd also note that, were it not for time travel shenaniganry, they'd actually be the same age.
But I don't think them forging a friendship, or even something of a family dynamic, necessarily prevents Yamato from going on a journey with the Strawhats - it just gives him a place to return to once the journey's over.
Well, this friendship doesn't prevent anything from a completely rational point of view… but I don't think stories work like that. If the point is to forge a powerful relationship between the two, what makes the most sense to me from a writing point of view is to build up on this relationship instead of diverting the focus to making Yamato a Strawhat. Not that Yamato's interactions will be strictly with one party and not the other, but the deeper bond to receive narrative focus should be the one where Yamato will join. So if we keep seeing more and more of Yamato and Momo and them getting a tight family dynamic, then I think the chances of Yamato joining the crew will be really low.
But there's also this crazy route I suggested of both Yamato and Momo joining the Strawhats together for the final journey.
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Can we get a count of how many times Jinbe offered to throw away his life to save others? It even became a meme around here he said it so much.
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Can we get a count of how many times Jinbe offered to throw away his life to save others? It even became a meme around here he said it so much.
Because that's Jimbe's main character trait, which is to sacrifice himself for people and causes that he values more than himself (and right now it's Luffy). But we're not at the point of saying the same about Yamato, so he claiming that he would die for Momonosuke is important right now and a valid point to understand with whom stands his foremost allegiance at the moment. Obviously, the sentiment was kinda obvious considering Yamato sees himself as Oden, so Momo is his supposed son, lol, but still… especially considering this was the most impactful and iconic scene from Yamato up until now, in my opinion.
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Yamato is definitely top candidate for me now. Can't wait to see more of her fighting style.
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It's interesting that the countdown images for Chapter 1,000, except for Jinbe, every crewmate is being presented in the panel of his very first interaction with Luffy.
Could this mean something, or is it an arbitrary rule? Could Chapter 1,000's cover spread reveal the 11th Straw Hat? Place your bets!
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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Would've worked better to start with Luffy and working your way up to a potential eleventh crew member. As it is counting them down from latest hire to first it'd feel weird if the new guy comes after number one
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Would've worked better to start with Luffy and working your way up to a potential eleventh crew member. As it is counting them down from latest hire to first it'd feel weird if the new guy comes after number one
I don't mean the countdown revealing the character, but hinting at the chapter content. Like, we get to Luffy as #1, and then the chapter in the next week has the entire crew (including the 11th) in its color spread.
And Oda could throw a curveball and include a lot of other allies (Grand Fleet, Vivi, several arc princesses, Law…) with the SHs to hide the character in plain sight.
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It's interesting that the countdown images for Chapter 1,000, except for Jinbe, every crewmate is being presented in the panel of his very first interaction with Luffy.
Since you used those words, I can debunk it by saying Luffy and Chopper interacted before that when Chopper pulled Luffy on top the Mountain when he was about to faint.
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I miss these old designs so much. Especially Robin and Franky. Chopper too.
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I love new Franky, but Robin has not looked anywhere near as good since the TimeSkip, even when she still looks great…
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Since you used those words, I can debunk it by saying Luffy and Chopper interacted before that when Chopper pulled Luffy on top the Mountain when he was about to faint.
I was technically wrong about being the first interaction with Luffy, but it's actually the first interaction with a crew member (in this case, Nami).
Yes, Chopper had "interacted" with Luffy earlier, but Luffy was was almost unconscious and didn't really pay attention to Chopper until later.
Also, CHapter 516's color spread reckons it as Chopper's "debut", despite him been introduced earlier as a reindeer.
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I love new Franky, but Robin has not looked anywhere near as good since the TimeSkip, even when she still looks great…
Robin's design is the one I miss the most.
It took me some time to get used to new Franky, but now it's weird to look at the old one, lol.
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I still miss Going Merry. I've never liked the Sunny. Merry looked like a boat. Sunny looks like a carnival ride. And its been over a decade. I'm just never adjusting to it.
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New Franky is acceptable when he reverts to his original hairstyle. I will always miss the Popeye arms, but what just doesn't work is the shaved head. He's a back alley mobster, not a hooligan.
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New Franky is acceptable when he reverts to his original hairstyle. I will always miss the Popeye arms, but what just doesn't work is the shaved head. He's a back alley mobster, not a hooligan.
Well, it's not like he ever uses the shaved head look…
but I like it actually.
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I love the Merry but it was waay too small and not believable for a crew of 10. I also love the Sunny so no problem for me. I think it fits the crew and really fits Franky/Luffy.
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New Franky is acceptable when he reverts to his original hairstyle. I will always miss the Popeye arms, but what just doesn't work is the shaved head. He's a back alley mobster, not a hooligan.
You don't like his 50 other hairstyles like a whale, a cannon, french braids, a gun, or beetle horns?
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You don't like his 50 other hairstyles like a whale, a cannon, french braids, a gun, or beetle horns?
The Afro is acceptable, as always.
The other stuff is so-so or bad. Ace Ventura or bust!
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It's interesting that the countdown images for Chapter 1,000, except for Jinbe, every crewmate is being presented in the panel of his very first interaction with Luffy.
Could this mean something, or is it an arbitrary rule? Could Chapter 1,000's cover spread reveal the 11th Straw Hat? Place your bets!
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https://images2.imgbox.com/a4/9e/NgamxLfZ_o.jpgI'm a bit late esp since AP's been down but I see a lot of people saying that Jinbe's color is Brown but it reminds me of an old theory of mine. Brook's color isn't Black but B&W which reminds me of B&W photo filters and it makes me wonder if Jinbe is Sepia. Probably a stretch but
Red/Green/Blue = Additive Primary colors (Luffy/Zoro/Sanji)
Cyan/Magenta(Pink?)/Yellow = Subtractive Primary colors (Franky/Chopper/Usopp)
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So if yamato is nakama, that gives a hint to whatever the last BB pirate could be. Also ancient giant/oni roots or the opposite…
Could san juan wolf be some ancient giant failed experiment... instead of fishman like people predicted.
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I think there are three possibilities for how Yamatos wish of going out to sea can be realized:
- Becoming a Straw Hat
- Taking control of the remaining Beast Pirates
- Becoming Momonosukes bodyguard/advisor/scabbard/friend. Opening up the borders of Wano will take a lot of time. First Wano needs to be fixed from the inside and after that Momo or representatives of Wano need to set sail to other countries to forge trade deals and political connections. Yamato could also start leading Wanos Navy which might connect to point 2.
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New Franky works because all the focus now is on Franky Shogun and robot stuff and his design fits that thematically. I've pretty much warmed up on him by now.
New Robin could work if her personality hadn't got less interesting like it did. It's hard to associate her design with her doing anything cool because she rarely does now.
New Chopper sucks. His personality is still good but the design just exists to sell plushies and nothing more.
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Yamato maybe has a Nami like face but he/she is so much more fleshed out and interesting compared to the likes as Carrot (is with us since Zou) that they are no doubts as with Franky at EL.
And no… He/She already said he/she wants to go out on sea like Oden. So I doubt he/she will suddenly stay back to bodyguard Momo.
Momo as good Shogun would encourage him/her to live his/her dream
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New Franky only "works" if you forcibly repress the memory of the superior old Franky
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New Franky is clearly designed for Full 100% Pirate Docking Maneuver now that the full crew has been assembled.
Head: Chopper
Neck: Luffy
Left Shoulder: Nami
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Yamato coming in to save Momo and Shinobu improved Yamato's chances in joining which lessen Momo's and Shinobu's chances. This is because the likelihood of additional Strawhats beyond Jinbe/Jimbei is a minimal given the "5 years" time frame Oda gave that One Piece will end for character development AND IFF there is another spot for Strawhat, they must pass the "many laws" of the "crewmate requirements" which one is being unique and capable in dangerous situations. Shining in the spotlight in a sense. Yamato is abouts to show out! This is Kaido's child! By blood as far as we know. With whom? :wassat: Flashback upcoming???
Yamato took the lead from Carrot…for now...unless Sulong Carrot makes an appearance against Perospero. Which she will in my opinion. But I don't think she can beat him by herself. Carrot would need Wanda's help and that still might not be enough. I mean could Sulong Carrot defeat Daifuku? Debatable. Is Sulong Carrot going to hold the spotlight or will Sulong Wanda take over? Wait and see. The discussions will heat up real quick. :ninja:
Ninja Tama is no where still. Where is Caribou? Tag team upcoming!? :ninja:
The Nine Scabbards are being too much a team. No individual really sticks out.
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The entire thing with Prospero being the ONLY Big Mom pirate pretty much settles it for me that Carrot won't be following after. Oda's setting that fight up now to finish that thread because he won't have the opportunity later.
If her entire crew was going to join in and make things crazy at a bad moment, then there wasn't any reason to bring Prosepero in alone ahead of time and spend multiple chapters making excuses to get him there. . ANd also I don't know how they'd all deal with Katakuri joining the fray unless he turned ally which… no.
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I see it the other way around. Defeating Perospero is the moment I think Carrot's time to shine has come. Pedro wanted to join the pirate king but he was put on the waiting list because his time to shine wasn't yet.
Now we have Pedro who told Carrot that her time to shine will come. That is why it makes sense to me that she will be accepted in the crew because her time to shine has now come. That would be a logical result after Pedro could not join Roger. Pedro could neither bring the new dawn and see it nor join the pirate king. That's why I think Carrot will join Luffy's crew to bring the new dawn and see it that Pedro wanted to see.
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Right Arm: Robin
Yeah, I guess she won't mind if it's Jinbe who holds her. :ninja:
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The entire thing with Prospero being the ONLY Big Mom pirate pretty much settles it for me that Carrot won't be following after. Oda's setting that fight up now to finish that thread because he won't have the opportunity later.
If her entire crew was going to join in and make things crazy at a bad moment, then there wasn't any reason to bring Prosepero in alone ahead of time and spend multiple chapters making excuses to get him there. . ANd also I don't know how they'd all deal with Katakuri joining the fray unless he turned ally which… no.
Oda opened that thread in the first place with a purpose in mind. He didn't have Pedro die, actually die, simply so another character could get revenge and that be the end of it. The very fact that he's taking the time to revisit Pedro and Carrot's connection shows that there's still something left to be said. Carrot needs to face Peros, and possibly Big Mom, for a darn good reason.
And there's the funny thing: Carrot didn't specify to Wanda who she saw, or how many, either in English or Japanese. Big Mom and Peros are equally guilty for Pedro's fate, the other family members don't have much say in the matter. Those two are the ones who've gotta answer for that, and Carrot could just as easily have her sights on both of them as she could on just one.
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I find it a bit worrisome that Carrot is being driven to face Perospero so early into the game, literally when none of the SH's are having any official vesus yet.
Its the same feeling like how the Scabbards are also up there already fighting Kaido, and we know for guaranteed they're going to lose.
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After thinking about it more, and I can’t believe I didn’t realize it before, but I think the main reason I’m currently not as inclined to see Carrot as a potential recruit is because of what happened at Zou. Usually, Luffy is the one to defeat some sort of boss character of an arc, which is what significantly helped lay the foundation of Luffy starting a friendship with each of his crew mates, whether it’s because of a deal gone wrong, a lack of confidence, or the boss character getting in the way of the potential recruit by causing complications for them in general.
I think if Luffy had been the one to kick Jack’s ass back at Zou, then I’d be seeing Carrot more as a potential recruit, but because Zunesha was the one who ended up kicking Jack’s ass, I don’t see it that way as much. Luffy wasn’t even the one who called on Zunesha to kick Jack’s ass, as it was Momo that called on Zunesha to do that.
That understood, then I suppose me seeing Carrot more as a potential recruit at least partially depends on Luffy kicking Perospero’s ass, as Perospero ended up being the reason Pedro blew himself up and is what compelled Carrot to attempt to avenge him.
I know that trying to see patterns in the Straw Hat recruitment might be fruitless since Oda can change up any recruitment process there was any time he wants, but if I was asked if I myself saw some sort of pattern, then I guess it would be that.
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I had speculated it before but it does appear that Yamato is being built up as the Pheasant of Momonosuke's story. Which would explain why such focus has been given to the Yamato and Momonosuke relationship. Similar to how Luffy received strong focus with Momonosuke on Punk Hazard, Yamato now has the opportunity to interact with Momonosuke. As for Yamato being developed as a retainer for Momonosuke, that is possible but given the substantial focus Oda has placed on Yamato and her immense potential to be developed into a character representing more than a protector of Momonosuke I wonder if Oda has other plans for Yamato.
The coinciding spotlight of Yamato's meeting with Momonosuke alongside the Akazaya Nine's battle against Kaido leaves me very curious. All the Samurai closest to Oden chose not to learn the Oden Nitoryu (two-sword) Style directly from Oden (a sword style Oden had considered to be the greatest there is). Their imitations of it were imperfect and as Kaido stated, weak. With Oden dead and none of the Akazaya Nine learning the two-sword style directly from Oden, does this mean Oden's two-sword style is forgotten? I don't think so. Oda has illustrated Oden's excitement at passing on his sword style to his retainers in the flashback so even when Toki revealed to Oden why none of the Akazaya Nine wanted him to teach his sword style to them, I don't see Oden not leaving any trace of his sword style behind. In all likelihood, Oden wanting to leave the teachings of his sword style behind (for his son and future Samurai), recorded the techniques and training required within his Journal. The “very important things” Yamato mentioned when talking about the journal to Luffy could be the secrets behind Oden’s two-sword style.
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Yamato may not have fully mastered the Oden two-sword style but I believe considering the admiration and reverence Yamato had for Oden, she would not have not attempted to learn the fighting style of Oden, especially if Oden had noted down the teachings within his journal. We have yet to see what Yamato can do with swords and when that moment arrives when Yamato wields swords, the Oden two-sword style will be reborn. And this is why the current meeting between Yamato and Momonosuke is integral. Momonosuke needs to know who Yamato is and develop sufficient confidence in her and her abilities to help inspire him to make the decision to give his Ame no Habakiri to Yamato. BOTH Enma and Ame no Habakiri will be used against Kaido. And seeing as Zoro won't be getting Ame no Habakiri and none of the Samurai are strong enough to cut Kaido, the only other potential option I can see left is Yamato. Yamato training herself in secret over the past twenty years in the Oden two-sword style would make sense if the teachings are contained within the journal she found in Kuri after Oden's execution. Once Yamato and Momonosuke form a bond which seems inevitable given chapter 994, it also wouldn't be surprising seeing Momonosuke gift Yamato the Ame no Habakiri.Kaido stating there will never be a Samurai as monstrous as Oden also raises a flag for me. That expectation, dread and disappointment Kaido has is begging to be challenged. Kaido has yet to meet Zoro (the swordsman the blade Shuisui chose to be its master) and to experience the conviction his daughter holds. I believe those two will remind Kaido of Oden once again as the swords that pierced him twenty years ago, revisit his body with a hunger spanning twenty years. It would additionally be symbolic if Yamato puts down her Kanabo and starts to wield two Samurai swords in front of Kaido illustrating to her father that she chose to follow Oden. Yamato could attain a second sword after defeating Orochi once he transforms into his Yamata no Orochi form - potentially the Ame no Murakumo no Tsurugi.
Aside from Yamato's relation with Momonosuke, there are a lot more to her character to cover. Yamato has yet to meet Marco and establish the connection she had with Ace. In particular how she introduced herself as Oden to Ace who in turn shared his encounter with Oden on Wano Kuni with Whitebeard and Marco who in turn assumed Oden was alive and thus disregarded attacking Kaido for killing their brother because the Whitebeard Pirates had no idea Oden was killed by Kaido 20 years ago. The only allied characters who left Wano Kuni with knowledge of Oden's death were Inuarashi and Nekomamushi and they opted to remain concealed on Zunesha and wait for twenty years for Momonosuke's return as per Toki's prophecy.
Beyond those relations, Yamato herself is connected to Kaido who is one of the most relevant players in the New World. While being inspired by Oden and Ace, Yamato may come to be inspired by her father depending on how events play out during this arc. I still believe Kaido will come to respect the concept of "Pirate" after his battle with Luffy and in turn accept Luffy as someone he has no issue with his daughter allying with/following. If Rocks did betray Kaido (and the rest of his crew) in the past by taking advantage of Kaido's belief in him and IF Teach has inherited Rocks's will, there would be relevance in having Yamato stand against the Blackbeard Pirates.
Furthermore, the current reflection in events playing out between Kaido and Yamato is quite fascinating:
- Kaido and Yamato against many opponents in their respective areas where they step in to protect their allies (Kaido protecting Jack and Yamato protecting Momonosuke and Shinobu);
- Oden is central to both their actions but Kaido and Yamato each have contrasting perspectives of Oden. To Kaido, Oden made him hunger for death and likely was the origin of Kaido's suicidal tendencies. In order for Kaido to re-experience the thrill and rush of dancing with death as he did during his battle with Oden, he keeps seeking out methods to place him on the edge of life and death but ultimately those attempts all come up short. To Yamato, Oden and his adventurous life are what inspires Yamato to live and to pursue a life in complete conflict with that of her father's intentions. In short, Oden inspired Kaido to die and Oden inspired Yamato to live.
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What is especially fascinating about that contrast is if Oden was the reason Kaido ended up trying to commit suicide in order to recreate the feeling of being alive, Yamato may very well be the cause for inspiring Kaido to live. If Yamato does end up reminding Kaido of Oden, what then?However events play out, there is potential for Yamato to be developed as a strong ally to the Straw Hat Pirates. If Yamato does end up traveling with them, she may use that opportunity to help master the Oden two-sword style which she will end up teaching to Momonosuke after the crew reach Laugh Tale and the members return to their respective "homes". At the moment, Momonosuke has sufficient retainers for Yamato to need to remain on Wano Kuni after the arc. Plus the "adventurous life" that inspired Yamato wasn't the life of Oden binding himself to one place but the life where he was able to awaken to the freedom existing within the world. After having been bound to Onigashima Island for twenty years, it seems unlike One Piece to continue containing a character to one place, especially a character who has already mentally experienced the wonders awaiting in the world through Oden's journal. And it is that journal that will help Yamato relate to the rest of the Straw Hat Pirates as many of the places Oden visited were the same Islands the Straw Hat Pirates journeyed to during their adventure. I don't believe Oden would have recorded any information about the contents of Laugh Tale in his journal so I don't see it spoiling any of the adventure for Luffy. Most of what we had seen recorded in his journal during the flashback is information the Straw Hat Pirates already know. The one piece of information that may be contained within the journal that may be relevant to the Straw Hat Pirates adventure is the existence of the giant egg present on the Oro Jackson. Can Oden's journal shed light on that?
Ultimately from my perspective, Wano Kuni seems a too important Island to not have a representative for. In addition to opening Wano to the world, Yamato can go further and help expose it by demonstrating the might of the Samurai and the Oden two-sword style, which would be exciting as so far (apart for the recent chapters with the Akazaya Nine) the Samurai (and Shinobi) have been grossly underwhelming.
As for Yamato’s obsession with Oden. I believe along with respecting him immensely, Yamato used the identity of “Oden” to hide her own insecurities behind. To Yamato, Oden was strength incarnate and embodying such a persona helps her continue forward without succumbing to the doubt echoing within her mind. Oden had made such an overwhelming impression on Yamato that the imagery of him became a source to derive strength from. Strength that could help silence the anxiety and tentative thoughts saturating her perspective. Any uncertainties and reservations Yamato held evaporated when using the persona of “Oden”. Such a mindset became a liberating light to the darkness of fear engulfing her. Over time, Yamato’s reliance on “Oden” will reduce as she begins to believe in her “self” and abilities more. Unlike in the past, Yamato is now not alone. She has allies to fight alongside.
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Just want to say welcome back everyone! What was the reason the forum was offline? Maintenance?
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False DMCA claim, just like the last few times :sad:
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i dont really know the details surrounding it and im afraid ill say something inccorrect :ninja:
and to stay on topic, TAMA THE LAST NAKAMA
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That's a good topic.
So how did you guys like her re-entrance? Was good, right?
Showing once again her courage and that she wouldn't be the only one that has to be saved by others when faced some strong opponent.Now let's hear all the "She can't have her dog all the time with her, she can't have all kind of animals, she's a child, she can't protect herself" whining.
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So i guess Carrot will be tying up her loose end soon.
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Wrong topic… :ninja:
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I know as well as anyone that with this chapter, Carrot's chances as a SH candidate are in a much more precarious state. On the one hand, she's finally taking on Peros and showing off a lot more of what she can do in battle. On the other hand, it's currently in her hax Sulong form, with Wanda who appeared out of nowhere, and away from everyone else. One of those three factors needs to change before the needle can move back in her favor.
It's a lot different from just being temporarily out of the picture. Carrot always had the chance to pop back into the foreground when needed. The issue now is the same as when Pedro was still around: she's still an active part of the Mink group with a lot of senior members above her. She naturally falls in line behind them when they're around. She's had just one feat on her own and in service to the SHs: the first Sulong transformation. If she can't break free from the shadow of the other Minks, she has a much harder case against her.
But here's the main takeaway: Carrot knows that there's a reason Pedro gave his life, yet she still doesn't know what that reason is. Pedro said Carrot would come to understand why the Straw Hats needed to survive over himself. Carrot still has that connection with the crew, and there's still time and opportunity for her to put it all together for herself.
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Wanda being shown as an equal isn't great for Carrot, imo. But she still looks a little better than maybe 3 chapters ago. Appearances are better than no appearance.
Tama just got some nakama hype, though. Maybe not enough to offset the numerous issues with her case, but it's nice to see her being resourceful and pro-active. Looks like someone who would be useful in a pirate crew.
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Carrot's storyline ends when she figures out the importance of the Dawn and what it meant to move forward according to Pedro's will. In this last chapter she makes a remark about this war being tied to Pedro's death, which is not only for sequential reasons, but especially thematic, since Wano is probably the arc that will reveal a little bit more about the lore, about the Dawn and about Luffy's role as the new Joyboy.
Then we'll see if Carrot will join or not. In the meanwhile, I wonder if she'll be able to beat Perospero or if we'll see a repeat of what just happened to Nami and Usopp.
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Wanda being shown as an equal isn't great for Carrot, imo. But she still looks a little better than maybe 3 chapters ago. Appearances are better than no appearance.
No it's not, I agree. It's especially weird that Wanda didn't join in the Momo rescue party or the other Minks attacking Kaido. And there are no other Minks with them now, so Wanda has presumably been doing her own thing for whatever reason and just happened to run into Carrot for this moment.
I don't know what the plan with Wanda is. I always figured that there would be a deeper reason for Pedro to die, and that just getting revenge on Peros wasn't the end goal for Carrot and the Minks. It's certainly possible that there wasn't any deeper meaning at all, and that it was only ever something cool Oda wanted to show off and leave it at that. But I still believe there's more to it, and Wanda being here now has a purpose not only for vengeance, but for getting Carrot on the crew.
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Basically what Shift said above me. Let me also throw in my own 2 cents.
The thought that Carrot's adventure to Whole Cake Island was only there to avenge Pedro, as I said before, was kinda ridiculous because as we see here with Wanda, she isn't the only Mink here who could have done that. Like I've said countless times. So using her sole existence to project her as some revenge side-plot always felt contrived to me. As she said here, there's a reason why Pedro died that has guided her to this point that she should understand. This battle, this war, is going to help her get that and from knowing it, her direction in the story is determined. Because as we've seen before, the only inhibitor to Carrot's potential journey or possible plans to head out to sea is herself. She has shown many times that she can do whatever she wants with no one's approval. She has a a responsibility to her people? Where was that ever shown? The moment her status as a Kingsbird became null and void, she yeeted herself off Zou to help out the crew on her own volition and continues to do whatever she wants on her own volition. She's a complete independent variable. So if she wants to stow away again to seek her adventure or further her goals, she's gonna do it.
So @Monquito there's Carrot's interest in knowing about Pedro's last words. She just was never certain of it, but is still pursuing that knowledge in this climatic battle.
