Hiatus x Hiatus III: Goodnight, Sweet Princes
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Gon's nen ability would power up immensely if he added some stupid(optional) condition that if he gets his opponent to play rock paper scissors with him, and he wins, he has to use whatever he won with as his attack choice the next time he uses jaken.
The conditions being. *optional as in he could choose not to do this, and just use his normal jaken. I also added some things to make it more powerful.
1. Must get opponent to play rock paper scissors with you
2. Must win at the game, if you lose your next jaken will do half the damage it normally does.
3. Must use 'object' you used to win or lose with.
benefits of these conditions - He is not required to use Jaken right after winning the game, so he can save it.
Best use - Get the opponent to play jaken with you before the fight actually starts.
^ Don't take this serious, this is just me having fun with things Gon can do to make his ability stronger.
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well we all know that kite's nen is been sealed by knov
that means gon will use kite's nen? and he will be using the F!@$P crazy slot?What.
And no
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I like the idea of Togashi using this opportunity to reset Gon's Nen abilities, I'm even entertaining the thought that he now may not be an Enhancer. But the timing of it all is rather bad. The voyage to the DC doesn't seem as if it'll be put off for too long, isn't it a bit farfetched if Gon could learn and master (from the historical records, even elite Nen users are likely to die in the DC) a new Nen ability in time for the voyage?
With that being said, if it's indeed too ridiculous to entertain the thought of Gon being 'reset' somehow and climbing to an elite level during 1 arc, there might be something else going on. Perhaps there's an unexpected drawback from his Gambit transformation and Alluka's healing, such as retained powers, which are affecting him currently. Whatever the case may be, what is true is that Gon was not even close to a combat level that he would be DC ready, and realistically could not develop his skills to that level without plot assistance of some kind. Kurapika has already admitted that his abilities, which we all knew, wouldn't be all that helpful in the DC. Leorio is an enigma at this point.
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I think a potential way they could write the reset would be more or less as follows:
Gon's transformation literally destroyed his Nen capabilities. Nanika was able to heal him and give him something identical in potential, but replicating what made his old Nen unique was impossible - even for Nanika. Gon's having trouble with his Nen right now because he's effectively using a completely different Nen in a sense. Case in point of why this would give him trouble
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However, he'll probably catch up super rapidly once he realizes what's gone on and what he has to relearn.
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Gon already knows the basics this time. Yes, he'll have to retrain whatever he needs to retain, but he's not starting from complete scratch this time around.
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Gon's nen ability would power up immensely if he added some stupid(optional) condition that if he gets his opponent to play rock paper scissors with him, and he wins, he has to use whatever he won with as his attack choice the next time he uses jaken.
The conditions being. *optional as in he could choose not to do this, and just use his normal jaken. I also added some things to make it more powerful.
1. Must get opponent to play rock paper scissors with you
2. Must win at the game, if you lose your next jaken will do half the damage it normally does.
3. Must use 'object' you used to win or lose with.
benefits of these conditions - He is not required to use Jaken right after winning the game, so he can save it.
Best use - Get the opponent to play jaken with you before the fight actually starts.
^ Don't take this serious, this is just me having fun with things Gon can do to make his ability stronger.
Have you ever read JoJo´s?
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Gon can only use Nen if 3 people kiss him on the cheek, in return he gets Adult Gon powers for 13 seconds.
Oh wait, this isnt the Dumb Predictions thread.
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Have you ever read JoJo´s?
No, I started to read the Steel Ball Run, but I never finished it.
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No, I started to read the Steel Ball Run, but I never finished it.
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I'm not really sure how you could explain a change in Hatsu considering it's pretty much inherent to how you wish to personalize it, but hey I'm all for it when the best he seems to be able to do with it is "punch really hard."
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@Purple:
I'm not really sure how you could explain a change in Hatsu considering it's pretty much inherent to how you wish to personalize it, but hey I'm all for it when the best he seems to be able to do with it is "punch really hard."
In Gon´s defence, every Reinforcement user Hatsu is pretty much punch really hard.
Besides, he can personalize his hatsu in other ways.
Hisoka has 2 and so does Pitou has 2. There are also strong indications Feitang has more than one.Anyone can change their Hatsu, it simply wastes all the years of work they have put in the other one considering it´s not something that can be created and controled easily.
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It's _Ja_janken! :getlost:
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if he knows the basic of nen it would be possible that he will become an specialist
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Nice, so this idea was used before. I guess it wasnt that bad after, lol. Really does seem like a cool ability though.
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if he knows the basic of nen it would be possible that he will become an specialist
Uhm, I mean technically that's not wrong but you don't need the basics of nen to learn to become a specialist at all?
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maybe i'll wait for the next chapter.
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There's more to Gon than punching with 'Rock'. He can also use transmutation with 'Scissors' and Emission with 'Paper'.
It's just that Gon hasn't trained those and rarely uses them.
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There's more to Gon than punching with 'Rock'. He can also use transmutation with 'Scissors' and Emission with 'Paper'.
It's just that Gon hasn't trained those and rarely uses them.
From a writing point of view, it's not like those are any less boring. Scissors is a generic slashing attack, and Paper is a generic energy blast. Giving those tools to your main character in a world like HxH where abilities are diverse and complex is probably a move that Togashi regrets at this point. Compare Gon's skillset to his own equal in the series (Killua) or even well written protagonists from other series (ie: Luffy) and you quickly see a picture in where there's not a whole lot of room for growth.
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Yeah I have to agree with Zp1 here. "Punching things", "slicing things", and "Energy blasts" fly in other stories, but they stand out as incredibly uncreative when he doesn't do anything interesting beyond that. Don't need anything complicated like Knuckle's especially with the type of person Gon is, but it definitely ranks in one of the most unimaginative abilities in a series where the draw is well thought out ability sets.
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Don't you think the next Arc ( Dark Continent) same as with Togashi's Yu Yu Hakusho's (Dark World, where 3 Powerful persons are reigning, Raizen, Mukuro and Yomi) XD
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Silliest solution:
Another baptism of nen unlocks it again.I thought about what exactly happened with Gon and most likely if he gets gently baptised or hit with nen he will die. I can't read japanese, but I'm certain that the way Killua asked Nanika to heal Gon is relevant to all of this. Togashi may have purposefully wrote a line that leaves a leeway for Nanika's interpretation, unnoticable for translators back then, but playing out when looked back in the light of new revelations. Like "Ai". Nanika is not a human, it's friendly to Killua, but who knows just how straight it understood Killua's plea. The result may be simply healing, taking off the curse(what exactly groups into "curse"?) and recovering aura presence in the body, perhaps it's production (depending on how it acts in normal people, but this is a bit too overthinking), without lifting the restriction. Killua understood that Gon did a sacrifice (a contract), but did he know that there was also a restriction if Gon did one? Not simply sacrificing with big return, that gets fixed with giving back what he threw away. Putting a lock on nen use as an underlying. A bit of exposition is needed, else I can't put the semantics straight.
Gon sacrifices everything he would have in the future to gain his top condition (or simply up to the point of thrashing Pitou like an ant) and in return doesn't care for what comes next after the beating. Pitou thinks that this power can only obtained through sacrifice and never being able to use nen again is also the price, I see this as a hint for us, line becoming relevant now. Gon does his deed (and most likely understands what is going on before losing his arm), and to overpress Pitou's nen gives her Zero, with his own brand of "merciful scream of love". All the aura he has is depleted, he literally has no life force in his body now (Now what's interesting is what would've happened if Gon didn't do this. Would he start reverting back instantly while aura is seeping away at tremendous pace since target is done and the contract must be finished? Or would he be Gon-san until aura runs out at it's normal pace since he sacrificed all for this power but he still didn't use it all?). He becomes just like Netero, wringing himself out completely. But the trick is in the restriction. Not only is he like this, he also has no way of replenishing aura, his life force. He agreed to never use nen again and so after emptying the tanks he can't produce new aura. And most likely if someone had the hatsu of aura transfer Gon would have no way to use it, his body would not get hold of it. All he has to do now is die.
Back to the statement. So after being fully healed, and getting his aura replenished he becomes just like he was before Wing hit him. With one nuance - he still can't use nen. Yes, being refilled by Nanika contradicts my words about aura transfer hatsu. Write it down to Ai magic. Possibly being healed includes refilling and bringing Gon back to ordinary layman, or else he is not going to live, he would wither again. But aura is sealed, and seeps and generates at normal human rate. But if Gon gets baptised again, he won't be able to stop aura from flowing out, since it is one of nen using masteries, something he can't do now.
So Gon right now is very vulnerable and has a great reason to contact Killua or someone else who would point him to doctor Leorio and DC explorers and ask for help.
Or maybe it is all much easier and he is simply unawakened, without any curses and restrictions.
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If he got healed to "unawakened" status that'd be really overpowered. Perhaps if he got healed and then sealed to a permanent zetsu state as a lingering result of his pledge?
I am not sure I want Gon to get his nen mastery back. It'd require bypassing that condition of never using nen again. I don't think you could write your way around that without it looking rather bad.
It would be interesting to see how Togashi could keep Gon in the story if he has no nen, or he could just leave Gon out, since he found his father but that anti-climatic meeting was a rather bad note to end Gon's story.
Maybe a deus ex machina would be the best way to continue the story if Gon is to be a part of it.
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I thought about what exactly happened with Gon and most likely if he gets gently baptised or hit with nen he will die. I can't read japanese, but I'm certain that the way Killua asked Nanika to heal Gon is relevant to all of this. Togashi may have purposefully wrote a line that leaves a leeway for Nanika's interpretation, unnoticable for translators back then, but playing out when looked back in the light of new revelations. Like "Ai". Nanika is not a human, it's friendly to Killua, but who knows just how straight it understood Killua's plea. The result may be simply healing, taking off the curse(what exactly groups into "curse"?) and recovering aura presence in the body, perhaps it's production (depending on how it acts in normal people, but this is a bit too overthinking), without lifting the restriction. Killua understood that Gon did a sacrifice (a contract), but did he know that there was also a restriction if Gon did one? Not simply sacrificing with big return, that gets fixed with giving back what he threw away. Putting a lock on nen use as an underlying. A bit of exposition is needed, else I can't put the semantics straight.
Gon sacrifices everything he would have in the future to gain his top condition (or simply up to the point of thrashing Pitou like an ant) and in return doesn't care for what comes next after the beating. Pitou thinks that this power can only obtained through sacrifice and never being able to use nen again is also the price, I see this as a hint for us, line becoming relevant now. Gon does his deed (and most likely understands what is going on before losing his arm), and to overpress Pitou's nen gives her Zero, with his own brand of "merciful scream of love". All the aura he has is depleted, he literally has no life force in his body now (Now what's interesting is what would've happened if Gon didn't do this. Would he start reverting back instantly while aura is seeping away at tremendous pace since target is done and the contract must be finished? Or would he be Gon-san until aura runs out at it's normal pace since he sacrificed all for this power but he still didn't use it all?). He becomes just like Netero, wringing himself out completely. But the trick is in the restriction. Not only is he like this, he also has no way of replenishing aura, his life force. He agreed to never use nen again and so after emptying the tanks he can't produce new aura. And most likely if someone had the hatsu of aura transfer Gon would have no way to use it, his body would not get hold of it. All he has to do now is die.
Back to the statement. So after being fully healed, and getting his aura replenished he becomes just like he was before Wing hit him. With one nuance - he still can't use nen. Yes, being refilled by Nanika contradicts my words about aura transfer hatsu. Write it down to Ai magic. Possibly being healed includes refilling and bringing Gon back to ordinary layman, or else he is not going to live, he would wither again. But aura is sealed, and seeps and generates at normal human rate. But if Gon gets baptised again, he won't be able to stop aura from flowing out, since it is one of nen using masteries, something he can't do now.
So Gon right now is very vulnerable and has a great reason to contact Killua or someone else who would point him to doctor Leorio and DC explorers and ask for help.
Or maybe it is all much easier and he is simply unawakened, without any curses and restrictions.
I'm going to debunk this, the line was "頼む…!ナニカ ゴンを治してくれ......!!"(Please...! Nanika, heal Gon......!!). Which is as far as I know rather straight forward.
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Maybe that exorcist from GI will be relevant in this issue.
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I'm going to debunk this, the line was "頼む…!ナニカ ゴンを治してくれ......!!"(Please...! Nanika, heal Gon......!!). Which is as far as I know rather straight forward.
Maybe the Ai understood it as healing Gon physically, while his mind and aura were left to heal by themselves?
Eh, fuck it.
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Maybe the Ai understood it as healing Gon physically, while his mind and aura were left to heal by themselves?
Right now with only the stuff we know about it, the way it stands yeah Nanika only healed him physically. Which is exactly what was asked of her.
The reason why Gon can't use aura is because of his vow he took for his transformation. Pitou said something along the lines that this could only be achieved when throwing everything away. So until Togashi introduces a different reason, I'll take it that nen vows don't count as wounds/illnesses so not something that classifies for curing/healing. -
Viz
"To save the hospital my sisters At. I could be reborn twice, sell of all three Hunter's license, and still not pay off its debt."
"Thanks to you, the insurance payout upon my death will take care of it for her lifetime."Seems he was talking about the hospital's debt, not his sister's medical bills.
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Yeah, this is pretty much why the Viz translations are a necessity regardless of whoever does a free scanlation.
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Once again, it's the little things in the Viz translations that make the chapter more clear. That Netero had hoped his travels would have been a warning, and yet Beyond went with the group that got the Zobae disease, explains the taboo and why he doesn't want Beyond to explore the DC before the Hunter Association.
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I'm glad everyone is spending pages talking about by far the least interesting thing to come up in these recent chapters, Gon's powers.
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Is it me or does it look like Togashi reset Kurapika's development or am i missing something here ? I haven't read York Shin arc for a long time but i remember seeing Kurapika warm up to his friends by the end of that arc , but in the new chapter Kurapika's attitude seem like how it was before York Shin arc .
Kurapica by the end of York New had lines under his eyes and seemed sort of exhausted.
The point of his character development there wasn't "Gosh I love my friends".
It was "This revenge quest isn't quite as romantic or clear cut as I thought it would be, and is taking a toll on me."
The friend related aspect was that Gon and the rest were worried about him.
And I don't think I should have to explain that an author is going to pick the more troubling choice on Kurapica's part, IE "Yes I will continue with this quest even if it takes its toll" rather than "I won't and my conflict is resolved".Also seriously, it's a New York pun. It's "York New" like in the viz translation.
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Don't you think the next Arc ( Dark Continent) same as with Togashi's Yu Yu Hakusho's (Dark World, where 3 Powerful persons are reigning, Raizen, Mukuro and Yomi) XD
No. shudder
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i don't even understand why he mentioned the three demon kings there isn't even anything remotely similar to that in the Dark Continent
the only similarity is that they are both secret landmasses
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@Monkey:
I'm glad everyone is spending pages talking about by far the least interesting thing to come up in these recent chapters, Gon's powers.
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Kurapica by the end of York New had lines under his eyes and seemed sort of exhausted.
The point of his character development there wasn't "Gosh I love my friends".
It was "This revenge quest isn't quite as romantic or clear cut as I thought it would be, and is taking a toll on me."
The friend related aspect was that Gon and the rest were worried about him.
And I don't think I should have to explain that an author is going to pick the more troubling choice on Kurapica's part, IE "Yes I will continue with this quest even if it takes its toll" rather than "I won't and my conflict is resolved".Also seriously, it's a New York pun. It's "York New" like in the viz translation.
Thanks for the explanation !
So i did miss some stuff from that arc , guess it's time to re-read it .
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Don't you think the next Arc ( Dark Continent) same as with Togashi's Yu Yu Hakusho's (Dark World, where 3 Powerful persons are reigning, Raizen, Mukuro and Yomi) XD
he's the writer of the two anime's so it would be possible :D
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Again, technically not wrong, but not only is the idea dubious, the idea of having powerful reigning people completely goes against Netero's statement that the whole continent's challenge is a fight with mother nature where 1 on 1 victory doesn't exist.
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I was watching the horriblesubs of the Ant Arc and one thing really cleared some stuff up for me. The Crunchyroll translator writes the King's line as he walks away from Welfin as "It would be nice if you could meat again and if you could live as a human." When the original chapter came out, everyone thought it meant "Good if I could live as a human". Which he doesn't. The way it's written it LOOKS completely like he's speaking in the first person, but he's speaking in the second person.
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he's the writer of the two anime's so it would be possible :D
Not only has this got nothing to do with what you quoted, but I don't think this is even true. I doubt lazy Togashi supervises the anime.
And if it wasn't already obvious, mangaka is not even close to anime writer. A mangaka draws and writes his manga. The anime writer writes a script for the anime based off the manga. It can be entirely different.
By all means if it's true please provide your source.
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thanks for the correction :) i appreciate it
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I was watching the horriblesubs of the Ant Arc and one thing really cleared some stuff up for me. The Crunchyroll translator writes the King's line as he walks away from Welfin as "It would be nice if you could meat again and if you could live as a human." When the original chapter came out, everyone thought it meant "Good if I could live as a human". Which he doesn't. The way it's written it LOOKS completely like he's speaking in the first person, but he's speaking in the second person.
That always bothered me, makes a lot more sense this way. More subtle, less cheesy, and not implying Meruem suddenly wants to meet Gyro.
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Not only has this got nothing to do with what you quoted, but I don't think this is even true. I doubt lazy Togashi supervises the anime.
And if it wasn't already obvious, mangaka is not even close to anime writer. A mangaka draws and writes his manga. The anime writer writes a script for the anime based off the manga. It can be entirely different.
By all means if it's true please provide your source.
I get the point of what's being said, which is that he's the original writer for both series.
That still doesn't make the Dark Continent being the demon realm any more plausible or better.
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@purple hermit
@JarmenKell:Not only has this got nothing to do with what you quoted
Well I did say that, though I worded it badly.
Yeah, being the works of the same author is not a plausible reason that they would be set in the same universe, and most of the time it's a silly idea to blend two series. Even authors who reuse characters don't do it usually.
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so what do u guys think about zzigg? :D
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He's got a face.
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A wonderful episode, but that was to be expected.
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This ep man…this ep...
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This episode didn't really do it for me unlike last one for some reason.
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The next episode preview kinda ruined the atmosphere a bit, but man do I love Komugi and Meruem.
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