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Also, I gotta agree with BM: as she described the scene of the Germa massacre I couldn't help but think how amazing it would look. Mom is a great storyteller.
And I can't help but think how amazing the cake will look. Splattered all over Big Mom's face.
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Not a bad chapter, I'm glad Sanji is finally out of his depressive funk and seemingly back to his old self. Biggest complaint, and I've noticed this a lot in this arc: some of the explanations just seem… too convenient. The Jinbei roulette wheel, the guards mistaking the sleeping guard for Sanji, Sanji's cuffs really being duds, etc. It feels like Oda is rushing this arc, I don't know why he would, but it really feels that way to me.
Can't wait for Luffy to cause a scene after he eats the bento. I hope the wedding does happen but with all the Vinsmokes prepared for the betrayal and everyone just playing along. Need to see Pudding in that bridal dress :wub:
Year of Sanji, let's go!
I'm not really surprised that the escape isn't more common knowledge actually. Smoothie wanted to actively prevent Big Mom from learning about the breakout, and so it's likely that the knowledge was kept to a single horde of guards that are responsible for dealing with the problem. She also intended to seal off the floor Luffy and co. were on.
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I'm not really surprised that the escape isn't more common knowledge actually. Smoothie wanted to actively prevent Big Mom from learning about the breakout, and so it's likely that the knowledge was kept to a single horde of guards that are responsible for dealing with the problem. She also intended to seal off the floor Luffy and co. were on.
Considering multiple objects in the castle have souls and can see, hear and talk, I'm surprised anyone can keep any kind of secret there.
Even when Oda flatout shows us that Jinbe was smart enough to swoop Mom's wheel people still think there's some ulterior motive to kill him off…Imo he's just finally embracing The Strawhats crazy reckless demaonor .
All these unique BM pirate designs, and every last one of them is so useless. Cant we see at least one competent and intimidating member? (i half exclude montd'or but he doesnt seem to be all too strong once you have figured out his DF)
Zoro looks like the Terminator riding that motorcycle
Considering multiple objects in the castle have souls and can see, hear and talk, I'm surprised anyone can keep any kind of secret there.
Considering all that most of them can say is singing the type of object they are, it's not too surprising.
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All these unique BM pirate designs, and every last one of them is so useless. Cant we see at least one competent and intimidating member? (i half exclude montd'or but he doesnt seem to be all too strong once you have figured out his DF)
wait what?
they kicked ass until now..what else must they do? killa protagonist or two?
All these unique BM pirate designs, and every last one of them is so useless. Cant we see at least one competent and intimidating member? (i half exclude montd'or but he doesnt seem to be all too strong once you have figured out his DF)
You mean, like…every named member of the crew except maaaaybe Diesel?
Bobbin wasn't expecting to be attacked, and Sanji is really strong. Bobbin's still conscious and Opera is pretty fine after getting the Fist of Justice from Jinbe. We've no reason to believe that they're poor in battle, except Diesel, though admittedly he never fought much.
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You mean, like…every named member of the crew except maaaaybe Diesel?
Bobbin wasn't expecting to be attacked, and Sanji is really strong. Bobbin's still conscious and Opera is pretty fine after getting the Fist of Justice from Jinbe. We've no reason to believe that they're poor in battle, except Diesel, though admittedly he never fought much.
On this regard I find it confusing that people may believe Diesel is weak as opposed to thinking carrot as a strong character. It must be the furry cute face of hers. ( this post is not particularly posted at you, it just takes advantage of one of your statements)
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Nami and Jimbe, would make a deadly combo. Good thing Chobro was in heavy point, he got abused by thunder-cloud rod.
Well, Jimbe didn't shoot at the roulette but considering he did not spun it, just goes to show he is adhering to the Sun Pirates' words.
Interesting, Mama accepts everyone, invaders and all, because they all end up submitting to her. Diesel, shut your trap and keep pulling the cart dammit!
Seems like Brooke was able to injure more than just Prometheus, Napoleon seem to have a bandage as well and cannot tell if Zeus, but Mama says the three. As much as I would have loved to see it happen, I think it is been built up towards another conclusion:
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As things get closer to the wedding and with the odds of Big Mom not getting defeated or end up fighting. (if she does and gets defeated it would not make ~sense~) The story is going towards Big Mom going into a rampage, however, last chapter we were confirmed that Napo, Zeus and Prome are basically her clones. With that in consideration, what will these three reaction be towards anyone trying to hold Mama down? If they are Mama's clones they might even fight back.
To keep it short: The big fight this arc seems to be focused on 3 homies, Big Mom Pirates, Visnmokes and Bege while Mama goes crying for cake. The escape plan will still be in effect, however this development allows for the Strawhats to fight an emperor's assembled crew and technically three versions of Big Mom. Here, we shall see Brooke display an even greater potential as Linlin herself will not be there to aid the homies.
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I want a keychain Brooke. I believe Brooke has a plan, it is convenient that he does not lose consciousness, or at least not for long. If the battle against Big Mom seemed dire, getting captured and thinking of an escape plan would be more beneficial. This works better considering he will not be put in the museum yet. Brooke's freak out about hearing that is funny.
I am starting to think that Big Mom used to be the type of pirate many have spoken about: deal oriented, ~fair~ to a degree. However, as we get to know more of her past and not considering the details of the giants issue. We see that she has been tricked twice, and they were critical situations. First with Roger, we can guess that he gave Mama a copy of a Poneglyph so he could get close enough to the Road Poneglyph, take the information and get to Raftel. Second: Lola, her own daughter, escaped her marriage, which Mama says she could have been Pirate Queen. Both times, Mama missed out on being the top of the world. With such betrayals in mind, we can assume that she slowly started focusing on making deals where she had 100% saying on how it went down. If it didn't then, deal with the problem.
Interesting to see where the 21-gun salute came from. I cannot stop laughing at Mama just swinging Brooke around, the lack of respect!
As we move onto the information gathering part of the chapter. The setup towards Big Mom's ignorance of the situation is clear. First, Smoothie prevents her from knowing about the escape. Then, Pudding takes her to her room immediately after. I have no clue why eggplant guy was sleeping on Sanji's bed, so laid back. Then we have the gathering of Ministe....COUNT CHICKEN! Glorious. Mont D'Or is sharp, he will be the biggest hurdle to overcome these upcoming chapters. Not sure if Count was trying to hide his failure, but Opera is messing up their information network.
Not really bothered with the portrayal of the Big Mom pirates, there are so many children, we have plently of opportunity to see top tier fighters come about.
Sanji is going through a hard transition, Bobbin made the mistake of taking Luffy's meat, he should have tried getting Zoro's then Sanji could still be mopping. Just kidding. Even considering what he was told by Reiju, if he rebels Big Mom is for sure going to kill all the Strawhats prisoners, Sanji doesn't know they have escaped.
Sanji's first meal cooked...going to Luffy. Now just waiting for the double page.
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Boppins still up after a direct hit.
I thought for sure he was going to one shot Boppins, anger and I thought a power up would be a one hitter quitter from Sanji. Glad to see he is finally starting to act.
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That is the best cover art ever.
Concur like something out of Easy Rider.
I wonder why Monet is so untrustworthy of Opera, does he have a history of dropping the ball.
@Razh:
Judge is an intelligent man and that probably goes for his genetically modified kids as well. Reiju is inexplicably missing? Meh, let's drink our asses off anyway?
'Sides, they've been panel-absent for too long and that's always suspicious.
Reiju isn't missing remember she is in the infirmary, I am sure they told the Vinsmokes that a solider accidentally shot her. Since they aren't affectionate they probably wouldn't come visit her.
@Tamiel:
- Seems like Brooke was able to injure more than just Prometheus, Napoleon seem to have a bandage as well and cannot tell if Zeus, but Mama says the three.
It appears the translation didn't got that right and BM was actually saying "it is the first time one of you three get hurt", not "three of you". The thing that looks like a bandage on Napoleon has always been there: http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/3/3e/Charlotte_Linlin_Manga_Infobox.png/revision/latest?cb=20160620215039
From what we saw hommies could do in the seducing wood, it's not really the case.
We're far from knowing everything on Mama's soul powers though. Maybe there is a gradation in the homie's intellect and capacities depending on the quality of the soul and the object it is inserted into, similar to Moria and his zombies. Furthermore, it's not certain whether the homies share a direct connection to mama. They may still have to physically report to someone for information to circulate, which suddenly makes it a lot easier to keep secrets if someone down the chain of command wants to.
That may at least explain why Big Mom, while still having a very efficient network of "spies", isn't all-seeing all-knowing even in her own domain.
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It appears the translation didn't got that right and BM was actually saying "it is the first time one of you three get hurt", not "three of you". The thing that looks like a bandage on Napoleon has always been there: http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/3/3e/Charlotte_Linlin_Manga_Infobox.png/revision/latest?cb=20160620215039
Ahh, thank you for the clarification. I am bad with details so I did not see, or bothered to confirm if that was the hat's design all along. Even with that cleared, I still think that the fight will be against her three clones.
Well, it's official now – Luffy is going to eat the bento box. The meat virtually assures it. IT seems particularly in this chapter, Sanji is subconsciously thinking "This is Luffy's food, hands off!" when attacking Bobbin
Also, it does seem like Sanji is aware of exactly how the Vinsmoke execution is going down -- knowing that the other vinsmokes won't be killed unless he is killed first. In addition, Reiju's willingness to be killed alongside them seems to have rubbed off on Sanji in some way though Sanji instinctively knows that this isn't right and that the Straw Hats still need him no matter how he justifies his sacrifice.
how big can that castle be that there are "rumors" instead of reports? seems a little too convenient that the sons don't know about jinbe,nami and luffy escaping, despite them roaming the castle just a couple of minutes before.
I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt here. Firstly, the use of the word "rumors" could easily be Mangastream being loose with the translation. Secondly, the word of a sweet commander would overrule all other reports in addition to the collective knowledge in the room that Opera would be roasted alive on a spit by Big Mom for telling such a lie, so they are trusting his word assuming he wouldn't dare lie about such a thing.
On this regard I find it confusing that people may believe Diesel is weak as opposed to thinking carrot as a strong character. It must be the furry cute face of hers. ( this post is not particularly posted at you, it just takes advantage of one of your statements)
Definitely lol. Diesel is no doubt strong, given that he massacred an entire factory, but out of pretty much everyone he's been a huge butt monkey since his introduction. I do agree that people seem to ignore that most of the Straw Hats are very competent New World pirates, and most of Big Mom's forces are competent New World pirates. Luffy and Nami even took out a Sweet Commander! It's all about having the right perspective in terms of character battles.
I really hope Bobbin wild told Big Mom that he got hit by Sanji and that he leaves without explaining why he did that. Big Mom won't overlook it at "Oh he will die tomorrow so it's fine" just because Oda wants to draw the wedding so badly.
I'm fine with some convenience, the MCs are always lucky, but added with the mirror world, Opera lying and the guy sleeping in Sanji's bed it would be simply too much IMO.
This was refreshing. The chap to put some things in order, next comes Sanji - Luffy reunion… i expected Pudding to speak a little more but it was fine.
I really don't like the portrayal of Big Mom in these last chapters. So she just degraded from having principles - albeit twisted and inlaid with some degree of hypocricy - to your generic moustache twirling baddie.
Aside from what I said in the spoiler thread, there's also the issue with Opera. So she also has this generic 'Muahahahaha! Failure is no option and has to be punished - big failure even by death penalty!'-attitude…
I was thinking and hoping that she would still play a (albeit minor) role after Wano - like maybe intertwined in some way into the Elbaf storyline. But now, I seriously don't care any more. Therefore I now jump onto Count's 'this arc weakens her enough so that Akainu can get her'-train.
This might be a weird thing for me to fixate on bit I'm kinda disappointed that Oda included that tiny panel of Montd'or speaking with the guards. Oda quite subtly conveyed Montd'or's suspicion with the previous panels, so I feel it would've been more satisfying if we'd learned that the guards were still patrolling later, instead of having it told to us outright.
I guess the tiniess of the panel stuck out to me most, because it looks like it could be omitted and we'd still have a perfectly good page layout.
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I agree. And speaking of subtelity I also don't like how blatantly Pudding got established as Sugar 2.0.
I'm not yet sure how I feel about Sanji's will to forfeit his life. On the one hand the execution with Bobbin was ok and it does really drive home the point that he had to reach the absolute low before rebounding. On the other hand, I find it slightly insulting to his character that neither Pudding's betrayal nor Reiju's push were enough to turn him around. I can't help but think this scene would have been better timed two chapters ago.
Exactly, after all the news and info you received you were just fine killing yourself instead of helping either party. I feel like he took a half step back as a character in that short time, then took a full step forward when he kicked Boppin. Then another step when he came to his senses and is rushing to Luffy.
I'm kind of loving that Big Mom's extremely aggressive attitude towards members of her own crew is going to heavily contribute towards the failure of the Germa takeover/the SH's escaping.
It's all very well having a large and powerful crew but if said members are terrified of you then things are going to go wrong.
What if Brook is not Big Mom's "natural enemy", but a power up for her? If his power is an infinite supply of "soul", BM can use him as a fuel for her powers, without having to tax her subjects every year for pieces of their souls!
- is the nasu guy asleep on sanji's bed just a coincidence?wow that's a pretty convenient one at that.
Considering multiple objects in the castle have souls and can see, hear and talk, I'm surprised anyone can keep any kind of secret there.
THIS!
Too many little details in this arc seem to be getting glossed over.
I think Sanji going to Luffy now is quite good as well. This allows for the Strawhats to come up with a plan and see how they ruin the wedding. They were meant to be the wedding crashers. Brooke is going to lead the concert and have the homies fights back against Big Mom's children. Nami just has to get the vivre card back, this is turning out to be delicious.
No cake though. I just hope they take the cake hostage start making real deals. It can explode after in Mama's face.
Here is my prediction:
Next chapter Sanji will reach the point where Luffy is waiting.
We have a break after that.
Then one full chapter mostly dedicated on reconciliation.
After that we move to the wedding day.
Another three chapters or so and then we reach the wedding ceremony….
Hopefully this's the end for people who've been saying Sanji is weak for 4 years :ninja:
And Brook did hold himself good against BM, so now we know for sure that the crew are good and ready for the New World
Damn bobbins just got scrubberized
Hopefully this's the end for people who've been saying Sanji is weak for 4 years :ninja:
"Sanji is like worth a thousand men" by Monkey D. Luffy.
The thing is, that Luffy didn't complete the sentence… he meant a thousand of weaklings.
Another devil winged-man for the collection:
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Nothing exists; even if something exists, nothing can be known about it. Even if something can be known about it,
knowledge about it can't be communicated to others. Even if it can be communicated, it cannot be understood.
@Shobu:
"Sanji is like worth a thousand men" by Monkey D. Luffy.
The thing is, that Luffy didn't complete the sentence… he meant a thousand of weaklings.
Another devil winged-man for the collection:
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Well, even thousand of weaklings are capable of something 
I'm fine with some convenience, the MCs are always lucky, but added with the mirror world, Opera lying and the guy sleeping in Sanji's bed it would be simply too much IMO.
Only the guy sleeping in the bed was lucky. It's typical for guards to be severely punished and even killed if their prisoners are freed, so Opera's reaction was pretty much expected. Plus the mirror world is only now usable thanks to a lot of blood, sweat, and tears from Carrot and Chopper.
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BTW
What drink are they talking about and isn't it stupid give them a chance to maybe notice something is fishy?
The plan stays without the drink as well…
I'm honestly not too bothered by this chapter. From the start Big Mom seemed like the opposite of Whitebeard to me. He was a “good” guy who didn’t have an actual family but had such a strong bond that this crew saw him as a father and he had honour blah blah blah. Big Mom has an actual family but is so twisted that they are terrified of her and she pillages countries for baking ingredients!
my only gripe is the ongoing "let’s talk about our plans infront of the good guys" problem the BM pirates (mostly Pudding) are having recently
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What drink are they talking about and isn't it stupid give them a chance to maybe notice something is fishy?
The plan stays without the drink as well…
I think they just refer to "drink" as in drinking alcohol. as in "The vinsmokes are going to be too drunk to see our plan coming hahahahah"
I don't know why Big Mom is so obsessed with capturing unique specimens, when that's basically her whole crew already.
She should put all these guys in her library.
also something that just came to mind: How long do you guys think Baron Egg stays in his Count Chicken form?
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What drink are they talking about and isn't it stupid give them a chance to maybe notice something is fishy?
The plan stays without the drink as well…
It is well known that beverage in One Piece isn't a thread that has been well developed.
It is thanks to this arc that black & green tea, sweet rain and liquid chocolate were introduced as beverages into the main water, juice & booze former and solely options to drink on.
Stop your complaining please, let them drink whatever they want.
Nothing exists; even if something exists, nothing can be known about it. Even if something can be known about it,
knowledge about it can't be communicated to others. Even if it can be communicated, it cannot be understood.
So Tamago and co. are having their meeting on the second floor, while Jinbe and Nami are causing a commotion on the third floor. Tamago himself was on the third floor in the previous chapter, while Luffy was fighting the countless BM troops there. I don't understand how none of the people in the meeting noticed the huge ruckus going on one floor above them. Tamago himself had to walk around on the third floor to get to the meeting, how is it possible to not encounter any of the soldiers who are running through the corridors looking for Luffy.
Is there any reasonable explanation for the guy sleeping in Sanji's bed? Seems like a pretty terrible ass pull to justify nobody (except Bobbins I guess) noticing Sanji's gone.
And finally Sanji seems to have come to his senses. I can't believe he was thinking about sacrificing himself alongside the Vinsmokes while he should know full well that Luffy isn't going to be fine with that. Luffy is going to stay on that island for as long as Sanji, I don't see any way for Luffy to just accept that Sanji's gone and go on with his business.
I really hope Bobbin wild told Big Mom that he got hit by Sanji and that he leaves without explaining why he did that. Big Mom won't overlook it at "Oh he will die tomorrow so it's fine" just because Oda wants to draw the wedding so badly.
I'm fine with some convenience, the MCs are always lucky, but added with the mirror world, Opera lying and the guy sleeping in Sanji's bed it would be simply too much IMO.
If we are going by our wish list here is mine:ninja:
-Bobbin will pursue Sanji. How dare him crush Bobbin's handcrafted mask!
-Eventually Bobbing will caught up to Sanji.
Facing reality nothing like this might happen, but we can wish can't we?
All I want to know is where is this guy:
My endless need for an interesting dwarf…
@Shobu:
It is well known that beverage in One Piece isn't a thread that has been well developed.
It is thanks to this arc that black & green tea, sweet rain and liquid chocolate were introduced as beverages into the main water, juice & booze former and solely options to drink on.Stop your complaining please, let them drink whatever they want.
You haven't answered my question even in the slightest
I'm kind of loving that Big Mom's extremely aggressive attitude towards members of her own crew is going to heavily contribute towards the failure of the Germa takeover/the SH's escaping.
This, pretty much. Maybe souls see something, maybe minions know something. When you know you'll be rewarded with Big Mom's wrath though, every sane person / creature / thing would know to STFU.
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This page really made me want a big twist with Capone and his crew surrounding Big Mom with their guns with Pudding shooting on her mother:ninja: but I don't see how Oda could pull it out.
And Pudding seems loyal
I wonder why Monet is so untrustworthy of Opera, does he have a history of dropping the ball.
Monet? Where? Did she survived Punk Hazard after all?
You haven't answered my question even in the slightest
That's because i wasn't trying to answer it xD
I tried to show that something unique is happening and took you just to explain a further on that matter.
Nothing exists; even if something exists, nothing can be known about it. Even if something can be known about it,
knowledge about it can't be communicated to others. Even if it can be communicated, it cannot be understood.
Really like the Smoker cover page.
