Speaking of the stuff we have now, is there a reason why no one here talks about the Super Manga? I've noticed that certain events were discussed before, but apparently it's more about the super anime?
Probably because the manga is super far behind the anime. It does some bits better, some bits worse, but its basically telling the same story we saw a year ago.
The anime is better than the manga. The only thing Toyotaro does better is "fixing plotholes". And tracing I guess.
So the Super Anime is better than the Manga?
Absolutely. The manga basically has none of the charm the anime has.
The manga also made android 18's fight last not even a third of a chapter. Watch Kaulifa and Kale get much less time too.
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The manga also made android 18's fight last not even a third of a chapter. Watch Kaulifa and Kale get much less time too.
Yea she has none of the shine she got in the anime. Even her most notable feat, taking down Ribrianne, was robbed from her in the manga lol
Also the fights arent that dynamic anyway so if he spends 1-2 volumes on the last 4 contrstants its gonna feel super dragged out
The most annoying thing to me is that the manga "fixing" the plot holes often actually isn't "fixing" much at all.
So, 17 had awareness about what was going on when absorbed by Cell, but by that logic 18 should, too, no?
I'm not happy with the FT arc's finale because it had such bland execution, but at least it had a legitimate reason why the timeline had to be erased: Zamasu literally fused with the universe and that corruption was spreading to the other timeline. It showed that Zamasu was a potential danger to all the timelines, giving importance to the fact that he had to be defeated.
Goku learning Hakai out of nowhere is far worse than Trunks' rage powerup, which actually had a good character reason to exist. Trunks went through a lot across the whole arc and fought a bunch.
Super Saiyan God makes no sense for Hit vs. Goku because the whole point was that Hit was adapting and getting faster and stronger as he fought, which is also the point of the Kaioken multiplier.
i defend Super because I think a lot of the criticisms directed to it are overblown, but I've got nothing for the manga. I like the art at points, but the action looks really bland under any scruitiny and I don't even have any respect for Toyotarou by just being a creator anymore, either, considering the recent tracing incident. Even manga with the least polished art I've seen don't go there (at least, they've done a good job of not being noticed). He's supposed to be a professional artist now and drawing Dragon Ball out of all things.
i defend Super because I think a lot of the criticisms directed to it are overblown, but I've got nothing for the manga. I like the art at points, but the action looks really bland under any scruitiny and I don't even have any respect for Toyotarou by just being a creator anymore, either, considering the recent tracing incident. Even manga with the least polished art I've seen don't go there (at least, they've done a good job of not being noticed). He's supposed to be a professional artist now and drawing Dragon Ball out of all things.
What incident is this? I'm only asking because of pure curiosity.
For the newest V-Jump cover, he traced a comic panel.
It's not a homage, it's a pretty direct redraw - he even posted that he did so on his Twitter, but the tweet was later deleted, probably because Toriyama/anyone on V-Jump caught him doing it.
The face of a Straw Hat.This is bad because it's using someone else's artwork for your own gain, basically.
It's a generic enough pose where you can claim it's a gray area without a comparison and y'know just one panel in the end, but knowing the intention (Toyo posted it's a trace on his own Twitter) kinda took away respect I might have for him as a creator.
He does this with original DB all the time, but that's fine because DB actually belongs to Shueisha. (This shows he's not a very inventive artist, but it's fine rights-wise and the like).
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It just looks much cooler (not to mention unique) than the palette swap transformations. Even someone who hates GT like me has to admit it. Not to mention it is a call back to the monkey days of the saiyan.
agreed. I too really hate GT and Super. but SSF4 looks really cool. one of the good thing about GT. 
I like GT over Super and like SSJ4 over Blue.
Super had its moments, but I think as a whole I'd rather rewatch GT.
I'm not happy with the FT arc's finale because it had such bland execution, but at least it had a legitimate reason why the timeline had to be erased: Zamasu literally fused with the universe and that corruption was spreading to the other timeline. It showed that Zamasu was a potential danger to all the timelines, giving importance to the fact that he had to be defeated.
Except that Zamasu fusing with the universe came right out of nowhere after he had seemingly been defeated. Honestly I find the manga did a better job in that regard; No fake-out, just an ever escalating bad situation that ultimately reached a point where it was Goku and Vegeta alone against an entire army of unkillable villains (Not sure how that came about, but I find "Zamasu can clone himself" to be less of an asspull than "Zamasu becomes the universe) who declare their intentions to go into other universes and carry out their plans there too, and then Goku realizes that he has the Omni-King summoning button that could potentially save them, only for said Omni-King to instead destroy everything because he's just a fickle and unpredictable character who does not care.
I mean, it's still ultimately got the same overarching problem that the anime's Zamasu arc is, that being that absolutely nothing is accomplished and it is the kind of cynical, depressing downer ending that I think has no place in Dragon Ball, but… yeah I'll take the manga's take on the events in this case.
The fuse with universe thing is out of nowhere, but it gave a reason why Zeno had to erase the whole timeline, not just the Zamasus in the manga.
Since Future Trunks could be revived with the Dragon Balls, Future Trunks' timeline could have been restored, but the universe fusing thing means the universe kinda has to stay gone.
It's not great, but I find it better because it makes sure there is a much stronger reason why the timeline has to go away.
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SS4 is fucking beast and a whole lot more interesting and intriguing
Well that confirms it folks, SS4 sucks.
Anyone have any educated guesses on when we'll get some new DLC scans for FighterZ? I haven't been keeping up with how regularly they were coming before.
Pretty crazy that Super will have a Hall H panel at SDCC.
The fuse with universe thing is out of nowhere, but it gave a reason why Zeno had to erase the whole timeline, not just the Zamasus in the manga.
Except he didn't think that far; He literally just went "Well this is hideous. I'm gonna erase it." Nothing about "Well this is a situation that threatens all of existence and the only way to resolve it is to wipe the entire timeline," the guy had already been established at that point to be willing to erase entire universes for petty reasons.
I'm purely talking from a plot perspective and outside Zeno. On a meta level, if Goku asked nicely from Zeno, they probably could use the SDBs to return F!Trunks' timeline.
In the anime, since Zamasu fused with it, that would be much more doubtful. Though nothing could still stop them from wishing the universe back without Zamasu being fused to it.
There was more effort put into giving a strong reason plot-wise why FT's timeline could not be returned to normal. Again, not great, but it's something.
The DBS movie is a fucking Broly movie.
Broly doesn't deserve these designs.
This can only be good if Broly is a completely different character.
I made a joke shortly before the start of the Universe 6 tournament about Toriyama stumbling upon some old Broly design documents he did way back when.
…that's not a joke anymore.
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I don't remember Broly having a scar, but that's pretty undeniable.
I'd make a joke about them hitting the bedrock of creativity but I'm speechless.
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He looks different. Seriously, if he's a completely different character with a personality, I'm down with it. Toriyama is writing it - it's entirely possible he took the character and is actually doing something different with him.
Like, if he's just using the name and design (which is actually good marketing considering his popularity), I'm okay with that.
What a shitshow.
Didn't we already introduce new female character with the exact same power canonically to, you know…. do that character without using the crap?
Sigh. I just don't understand why Broccoli is so popular. Yeah, I thought the movie was cool when I was 15 too, and had zero context for anything else in the franchise. But the character is awful and only became worse as he got used more.
pls make him a actual character Toriyama kthx
On the plus side, if the expectations are low enough, if it's actually good, it's gonna be nice.
Edit: Broly is trending. I'm laughing so hard.
That's so lame if it's real lol
On the bright side, Kale is now practically irrelevant. Long live Caulifla!
There's gonna be a flashback to baby Broly that will involve brilliant scientist Bardock and his waifu from Dragon Ball Minus.
Wow… that just completely killed any hype I had going for this movie... god damnit.
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Didn't we already introduce new female character with the exact same power canonically to, you know…. do that character without using the crap?
Sigh. I just don't understand why Broccoli is so popular. Yeah, I thought the movie was cool when I was 15 too, and had zero context for anything else in the franchise. But the character is awful and only became worse as he got used more.
Western fans got a bunch of dumb chinese bootleg action figures of future characters early in the dub era, and Broccoli was a couple of those. And he was BIG MUSCLE MAN. And before anyone had any idea who he actually was, and like a decade maybe before those movies got dubbed, he became A Thing.
And much like how western DBZ fans still treat the Funi dub like the canon or even only version, and never touch the manga, they are also likewise stuck in bizarre primitive ways on this series in that regard.
It's not like Japan doesn't also love Broly too. People just like the maximum muscle man
Brolli's first movie was one of the few DBZ movies that kinda-sorta felt a little bit like an actual movie with a story. I mean everything else they did with the character was a total shitshow, and even that one movie was held back by sub-par animation, but still, one of the more watchable movies.
Also please be a troll. Because by the Omni-King do I not want the much hyped DBS movie to be FUCKING BROLLI. This would, incidentally, be the second movie in a row where the reveal of the villain actively made me want to see the movie less.
Not surprising when you consider that a remastered version of Broly is getting a theatrical release in the States soon with a dual billing of Bardock and Fusion Reborn following it a bit later.
If canon Broly doesn't have that stupid backstory, then sure why not
If you look at his design in the trailer, it's pretty different. The yellow eyes, the Saiyan armour, the fur thing on his waist and in a released shillouette shot he has a tail.
I get a feeling he's a pretty different char just like Minus Bardock (except hopefully much better and not even worse - how could you make something with no personality worse anyway?)
I hope Yamcha-Saiyan and Broly are separate characters. I don't want his design to change all that much.
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Ah, so he wrote his own version. Ok, cool.
I would welcome one of the biggest cashcows of a series to actually be a good character.
Toriyama should stick to Dragon Quest designs and tax-evading.
If hes rewriting this character to not be a one note played out trope then I'm all for it. So here's hoping.
Edit: shit may as well make Cooler canon too while we're at it.
And there are rumors of Bardock and Gine appearing in the movie.
A Toriyama take on Broly?
Count me in.
Good to see that the fans are being thrown a bone here.
So what aspects of the previous Broly should be kept? I'm still hoping for him to have the insane strength and sadism. I hope he is still menacing that was something I felt was decently depicted with Broly in the past.
Somewhere out there Vic Mignogna is making funeral arrangements for his vocal chords.
Pls for the love of god
Have a backstory that doesn't involve Goku crying
So what aspects of the previous Broly should be kept?
Literally nothing.
Except I guess the stupid awful design since thats what fanboys want.
Bio Broly obviously. Cut everything else.
