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Died standing like WB.
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Died standing like WB.
So… new bet on how long he stays dead?
R.I.P Third/Sixth/Eight.
NOW PLEASE STAY DEAD!
So… new bet on how long he stays dead?
Considering that there was no real foreshadowing and it's basically just a random situation against glorified fodder, I say he's back the next chapter.
I definitely will not repeat my mistakes from the last bet.
R.I.P Third/Sixth/Eight.
NOW PLEASE STAY DEAD!
Nah he will be back, Makarov the ninth!
Im betting he stays dead. It's kinda been foreshadowed for a bit with his aging health and general not doing anything else in the fight.
@Bartholemew:
Considering that there was no real foreshadowing and it's basically just a random situation against glorified fodder, I say he's back the next chapter.
I definitely will not repeat my mistakes from the last bet.
I'm going to risk my reputation and bet he stays dead since the series should be about to end anyway and he's the old dude who should have passed the torch a few times already. I'm so losing this…
Considering all of the chest clutching over the last few chapters, I could actually see him staying dead.
What I have more trouble believing is that this sacrifice actually accomplished anything in the long run.
That basically came out of nowhere. God, that was some of the worst build up I´ve read in a manga ever.
Anyway, call me crazy, but I actually believe that he is dead however he will still have a couple of more appearances as a spirit.
Let´s go bois. It´s time for:
**How´s!
That!
Death!
1 chapter:** BBear
Dead 4evaa: Ageless_Bum, Chrior, Ubiq, Space
Besides, what's the deal with Mavis' plan? Like:
'I have a plan so that no one has to die.'
'Nah, I'll do my heroic sacrifice, so shut the fuck up!'
I really hope he doesn't die because of
what kind of lack of epicness is that? build up is bullshit!
@Bartholemew:
Besides, what's the deal with Mavis' plan? Like:
'I have a plan so that no one has to die.'
'Nah, I'll do my heroic sacrifice, so shut the fuck up!'I really hope he doesn't die because of
- the lack of proper build-up
- the sacrifice being completely uncalled for
- the fact that he really doesn't accomplish anything with it at all
! At least his death was better than Jirou and Yamamoto
"I have a plan where nobody will die"
"Shut up First, I'm gonna kill myself and save everyone!"
"No, seriously, I have a plan"
"Also stop treating my guild members as pawns"
"Lis- What the hell, when did I do that? Also will you at least learn what my plan is? Like, it'll take a minute."
"NO I'M GOING TO KILL MYSELF BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SEE MY CHILDREN HURT!"
I seriously hope some of this is the result of a bad translation.
Also I wouldn't be surprised to see Makarov stay dead, or at least only be revived as a spirit. Because that way Mashima has an "excuse" to replace the old man with Mavis.
I enjoyed the chapter. Assuming that Makarov is definitely dead, it's a fitting ending for him (especially compared to the previous near-death experiences he's had), and legitimately emotional. It answered one of the more commonly recurring questions (why can't Makarov just use Fairy Law and end the arc early?), which is certainly something that I had been wondering about during several arcs.
As well, it's spared us from Mashima dragging out the fights between Fairy Tail mages, cannon fodder, and Zeref's minions who have already been defeated (presumably, the ones that haven't gotten a fight are still conscious). If it also results in Natsu and Gray coming to their senses, that's even better, but I'm sure that they'll want to drag as much drama out of that fight as they can.
Ugh, freaking Gildarts enters the field and shortly after Makarov has to sacrifice himself. I'm glad though, I mean this should've happened along time ago.
But this short build up and then they were just buffed mooks… I hope he stays dead. But I'll bet, again, at end of next chap he's alive.
I won the last bet Mashima, no need to let me win this time.
Hahaha. Oh man. So stupid. And I could care less. It's not the even worth trying to do the setting up a bet on if he lives or dies. So completely uninteresting.
Wow, what a emotional and good moment.
Oh wait, this is Fairy Tail. He'll be back in action in a few chapters.
Good, lets see if he stays dead for once. He has had so many "IMMA GONNA DIE!" moments and remained so irrelevant after them that he is just background noise. Gildartz/Luxus/Erza should have taken the mantle ages ago. Really pathetic that what seems to be the one that will actually keep him down is the shittiest by far. Congratz Makarov, you have Chad status, wasting your final load on mooks.
He died as he lived, a very forgettable idiot.
I do hope that Gray and Natsu feel bad that whilst they were fighting their surrogate father killed himself
! At least his death was better than Jirou and Yamamoto
Please spoiler your posts in future.
I think he's really dead, and not just because he's the old mentor character who should have died like 6 arcs ago.
The hilarious thing is that, all of the "fakeout deaths" were set up much more dramatically. Mashima finally offs someone for real and does it in half a chapter with no real buildup. It's just "Oh hey, I forgot to kill Makarov. Oops…"
Dude is well past the point of having lost all comprehension of pacing.
Anyone remembers all the "sacrifices" that happened on the final arc of Rave?
So we have Gray stopping Natsu because he wants to take care of Zeref, the head of the enemies and we have Makorov deciding he should kill himself despite being sure the first could get them out alive. I guess logic really did leave this Fairy Tail. The question being does the sentence apply to the guild or the manga.
I guess logic really did leave this Fairy Tail.
Hey, at least its death had some everlasting impact on the series.
Please spoiler your posts in future.
If they don't have to be spoiler marked in their own thread anymore I don't think they should be spoiler marked anywhere else.
Anyone that would care about spoilers for those series would already be following them to the point that those events would cease to be spoilers.
There's nothing wrong with having to put in into spoiler tags. However, if it's about spoilers for a completely other series, the spoiler tag is worthless unless it actually is mentioned about which series the spoiler is about. Otherwise here in this topic I'd think it's about Fairy Tail spoilers and don't expect something else and therefore I might get spoilered for the other series nevertheless.
If they don't have to be spoiler marked in their own thread anymore I don't think they should be spoiler marked anywhere else.
What kind of demented logic is that? Aren't people who are visiting the thread in question in fact reading the manga in question, as opposed to people who aren't visiting the thread?
Anyone that would care about spoilers for those series would already be following them to the point that those events would cease to be spoilers.
Yeah, sorry, sometimes it's hard to find time to read everything you would want to. Maybe at least spoiler tab deaths of characters of series that hasn't even ended yet out of common courtesy. Not like LP hasn't done this before. Don't see what's so hard about clicking 2 more times.
If with the death of Zeref, all the demons die together with him and Natsu wants to kill Zeref….Then why Gray is not teaming up withNatsu to take him down instead of stopping him?
If with the death of Zeref, all the demons die together with him and Natsu wants to kill Zeref….Then why Gray is not teaming up withNatsu to take him down instead of stopping him?
Brainfreeze?
Wonder how many more corners Mashima will cut during this run.
@Bartholemew:
Besides, what's the deal with Mavis' plan? Like:
'I have a plan so that no one has to die.'
'Nah, I'll do my heroic sacrifice, so shut the fuck up!'I really hope he doesn't die because of
- the lack of proper build-up
- the sacrifice being completely uncalled for
- the fact that he really doesn't accomplish anything with it at all
One of the interesting things I have learned is that perspective drives reality. Our perspective as readers and understanding of plot armor tell us that his sacrifice was all but pointless. In the end good will triumph and evil will lose because of the power of friendship… The thing of it is Makarov's perspective is no were near as expansive as ours. He saw an immediate issue and responded to it. Sure we can say that he should have let Mavis' plan play out and maybe everyone would survive, but in the end that is a maybe. He and we have seen Mavis miscalculate in the past, and if that were to happen here, then Makarov probably decided it was worth the sacrifice to limit the chances of failure. Another point is that he didn't want for his children to just survive, maybe he wanted them to be harmed as little as possible. Even someone as shrewd as Mavis cant create a battle plan where no one gets hurt... If that was in fact his point of view, then it makes sense to sacrifice his already waning light to protect the flames that are still burning strong and will only get stronger. It was a choice born of his point of view, and I for one think it fits his character. He isn't all mighty, immortal, or all knowing. He simply did what he could do given the situation.
As for why Mavis did not, and perhaps could not cast it herself? It could be because she is now fully back in her cursed body that supposedly randomly kills those around her whenever she values life. It is possible that if she had cast it to protect everyone, her curse ( btw I am not entirely convinced she has the same curse as Zeref ) would then react as powerfully as the spell she used and kill those she was trying to protect.
Still all guesses, but it makes sense to me.
@Bartholemew:
There's nothing wrong with having to put in into spoiler tags. However, if it's about spoilers for a completely other series, the spoiler tag is worthless unless it actually is mentioned about which series the spoiler is about. Otherwise here in this topic I'd think it's about Fairy Tail spoilers and don't expect something else and therefore I might get spoilered for the other series nevertheless.
I saw the comment but thought it was in reference to characters in Fairy Tail lol. The names are so generic I still have no idea what series they'd be from.
I don't recall getting spoilered in such a manner.
Why was Makarov talking about believing in friends/guildmates in the same breath he told Mavis to hell with her devised plans? Was she not one of his trustworthy guildmate? Also, I don't get why these people are still hell-bent on going to reclaim their guild hall back when their primary objective (Mavis) has been accomplished. It's just a freaking building that can just be rebuilt like it was countless times, not something worth endangering the lives of the guild members themselves by facing relentless waves of zerg rush.
One of the interesting things I have learned is that perspective drives reality. Our perspective as readers and understanding of plot armor tell us that his sacrifice was all but pointless. In the end good will triumph and evil will lose because of the power of friendship… The thing of it is Makarov's perspective is no were near as expansive as ours. He saw an immediate issue and responded to it. Sure we can say that he should have let Mavis' plan play out and maybe everyone would survive, but in the end that is a maybe. He and we have seen Mavis miscalculate in the past, and if that were to happen here, then Makarov probably decided it was worth the sacrifice to limit the chances of failure. Another point is that he didn't want for his children to just survive, maybe he wanted them to be harmed as little as possible. Even someone as shrewd as Mavis cant create a battle plan where no one gets hurt... If that was in fact his point of view, then it makes sense to sacrifice his already waning light to protect the flames that are still burning strong and will only get stronger. It was a choice born of his point of view, and I for one think it fits his character. He isn't all mighty, immortal, or all knowing. He simply did what he could do given the situation.
But even from his perspective, how can he seriously believe that his sacrifice leads to the others getting harmed as little as possible in the longer run? The main flaw in his thinking is that he deals with the magic cast instead of the caster. Does he really think he can finish off the likes of Irene and August? And does he even aim at them as well?
It's just so short-sighted. These soldiers against whom he uses all of his energy are nothing but glorified fodder. They pose some kind of danger, sure, but they are faaaaar away from being the main threat here. If he wants to sacrifice himself, he shall please do it against someone meaningful.
Why was Makarov talking about believing in friends/guildmates in the same breath he told Mavis to hell with her devised plans? Was she not one of his trustworthy guildmate? Also, I don't get why these people are still hell-bent on going to reclaim their guild hall back when their primary objective (Mavis) has been accomplished. It's just a freaking building that can just be rebuilt like it was countless times, not something worth endangering the lives of the guild members themselves by facing relentless waves of zerg rush.
Believing in someone and doing what you can to help/protect them are not mutually exclusive. As for why he didn't trust in Mavis, well he is to the extent he can allow himself to. He said that she treats the guild members as pawns and he can not go along with it that way. He has to protect the pawns if he is able. As for the building, yeah no it has been blown up too many times, so sentimentality is out on that one. I am guessing it is just the rallying point. Hey lets save the guild (building).
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@Bartholemew:
But even from his perspective, how can he seriously believe that his sacrifice leads to the others getting harmed as little as possible in the longer run? The main flaw in his thinking is that he deals with the magic cast instead of the caster. Does he really think he can finish off the likes of Irene and August? And does he even aim at them as well?
It's just so short-sighted. These soldiers against whom he uses all of his energy are nothing but glorified fodder. They pose some kind of danger, sure, but they are faaaaar away from being the main threat here. If he wants to sacrifice himself, he shall please do it against someone meaningful.
A valid point, but I would wager in the middle of a war not to mention a battle field it can be hard to concentrate on the big picture. Mavis seemingly can do so, but I think it is because of her doing so, that Makarov realized she had to treat the guild members as pawns. He seemingly could see that they were not fairing well against an army that wouldn't have let them get to those stronger enemies. To me he took the best option available to him from what he could see. Could he have stood against the likes of the 12 better than the rest. I guess that would have depended on how his health was fairing, but I think it is fair to say that in full health he would have stood toe to toe with them, but he seemed to be clutching his chest suggesting he was not doing so well.
I am not saying his actions were not short sided, I just think that they were the best he could do given his perspective. IF my guesses above are right (and they are just guesses). He took out the fodder all by himself so that his guild could be as unharmed and strong as possible when facing the big threat. That said he also managed to essentially take away one Irene's best weapons. Her powers seem to primarily be enchanting things. He took out countless enchantable troops. That being said, he likely didn't know all of that. He was probably just taking the best path he saw from his current position.
Well Makarov sure didn't look like he could take any of the heavy hitters lately, so I guess this might make some sense to him. I don't really have a problem with what and why, but with how.
But it feels like complaining about styling of a toilet graffiti.
One of the interesting things I have learned is that perspective drives reality. Our perspective as readers and understanding of plot armor tell us that his sacrifice was all but pointless. In the end good will triumph and evil will lose because of the power of friendship… The thing of it is Makarov's perspective is no were near as expansive as ours. He saw an immediate issue and responded to it. Sure we can say that he should have let Mavis' plan play out and maybe everyone would survive, but in the end that is a maybe. He and we have seen Mavis miscalculate in the past, and if that were to happen here, then Makarov probably decided it was worth the sacrifice to limit the chances of failure. Another point is that he didn't want for his children to just survive, maybe he wanted them to be harmed as little as possible. Even someone as shrewd as Mavis cant create a battle plan where no one gets hurt... If that was in fact his point of view, then it makes sense to sacrifice his already waning light to protect the flames that are still burning strong and will only get stronger. It was a choice born of his point of view, and I for one think it fits his character. He isn't all mighty, immortal, or all knowing. He simply did what he could do given the situation.
He clearly says he believed Mavis plan is going to work and didn't even listen to it. His argument is about Mavis treating them like soldier not that they could. So he sure killed himself while being certain all his children and himself could be save. The guy tried sacrifice multiple times, it is the first time he did it against logic.
Anyway, did we have at any time some kind of conflict between Mavis and Makarov where he had these kind of problems with her tactic style? Or does it come completely out of the blue? I really cannot remember.
However, back to Makarov's view: If he indeed cares as much as he claims and if he actually wants the best for the others, he should at least have LISTENED to a brief explanation about what she's up to. This doesn't feel like a noble sacrifice, instead it feels like a petulant toddler who wants to be right no matter what - out of principle.
Also I think it's a big underestimation to think that this actually is close to the best Irene can do. What I get is the feeling that it'll only deplete her immense MP from 9990 to 9900, but nevertheless she still has over… over the top too much more of them.
Well Makarov sure didn't look like he could take any of the heavy hitters lately, so I guess this might make some sense to him. I don't really have a problem with what and why, but with how.
But it feels like complaining about styling of a toilet graffiti.
The toilet graffiti comment really made me laugh.
He clearly says he believed Mavis plan is going to work and didn't even listen to it. His argument is about Mavis treating them like soldier not that they could. So he sure killed himself while being certain all his children and himself could be save. The guy tried sacrifice multiple times, it is the first time he did it against logic.
Well I would point out that there is a difference between knowing it will work and liking what you see as the outcome. If for instance he saw it might work, but end with half of his guild maimed, well he may want to do something to change that. As for going against logic, well you are right. He is going against what logically should be done, but that is our logic. It is based on what we know. His perspective at the time was seeing his “children” being hurt and nearly slaughtered around him. He made a call based on what he knew.
@Bartholemew:
Anyway, did we have at any time some kind of conflict between Mavis and Makarov where he had these kind of problems with her tactic style? Or does it come completely out of the blue? I really cannot remember.
However, back to Makarov's view: If he indeed cares as much as he claims and if he actually wants the best for the others, he should at least have LISTENED to a brief explanation about what she's up to. This doesn't feel like a noble sacrifice, instead it feels like a petulant toddler who wants to be right no matter what - out of principle.
Also I think it's a big underestimation to think that this actually is close to the best Irene can do. What I get is the feeling that it'll only deplete her immense MP from 9990 to 9900, but nevertheless she still has over… over the top too much more of them.
In the grand magic games she cried when she didn’t accurately predict how Erza’s fight would play out. Admittedly that is a small miscalculation, and Makarov didn’t give her any grief for it, but it would be enough to know that her plans do not always work out exactly as planned.
I agree with you that he should have listened before acting, but It is possible he knew Mavis would have been able to talk him out of it, so he didn’t want to listen. Doesn’t make it any better, but may explain it.
Also agree that Irene has much more up her sleeve. I was pointing out that he took out one of her potential weapons and admittedly a very big one. Whether it has actually been taken out for good… Who knows. His sacrifice may have been in vain, but I think at the time it was what he thought was right.
! Irene says about 70-80% of their troops are gone, but the 12 are fine, so not much difference.
So the sacrifice was so meaningful and totally not completely worthless.
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Alright, I'll say there was at least some feeling there in the first part, nothing grand but all things considered I'll give it a pass and say I liked it. However, the second half is just so much stupid that this whole chapter overall was just silly.
I actually think the choreography in this fight was cool.
Laxus' part was good imo.
But alas:
Supreme mother of underboob
The flow of battle is unlikely to change in any significant way from this point forth.
I actually think the choreography in this fight was cool.
Same. It's reminiscent of early FT fights.
I actually think the choreography in this fight was cool.
Yeah, me too. Unfortunately I hadn't any emotional feelings for this whole stuff, so it really didn't matter.
Like the whole sacrifice being completely out of the blue and as Zeref and Irene pointed out completely (and predictably) in vain.
And the fight, well the choreography was good, in theory, but due to the circumstances I just couldn't take it seriously.
Graaaaay! Natsuuuuuuuuuuuu!
At times it really felt like some sort of parody.
Gray and Natsu fighting was stupid in the first place. What was the point of those last couple of chapters? Nothing really changed again to warrant adding this fight to the story. They caused no lasting damage or got anywhere.
I'm also a bit confused about where characters are located. I thought Erza and the berzerker mob were really far away. But then she's suddenly at the town where the boys were?
This is a great example of a chapter that could've had a lot of impact, a complete tearjerker, IF IT HAD A SHRED OF TENSION.
I have no expectations for this manga yet it continues to disappoint me.
I'm also a bit confused about where characters are located. I thought Erza and the berzerker mob were really far away. But then she's suddenly at the town where the boys were?
Yea, that felt weird. It's as if we're skipping some pages where the good guys actually noticed that Gray and Natsu are fighting each other for some reason, managed to track their faraway location and had someone fill Erza's place while she's going to beat the sense outta them. The only possible plot device that can make this happen is Mest's teleportation ability. It still doesn't flow well however.
Can't say much about the fighting choreography itself other than it's just slightly better than when Mashima attempts to do CQC with awkward acrobatic stunts and hits that don't seem to have any impact.
Yeah, it's Force Awakens all over again.