Eternal poses would still work in the new world right? Maybe Pekoms has one.
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Since Elbaf is in the New World, yes.
Chapter 813: An Invitation to the Tea Party
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Just a thought: If Big Mom is Lola's mother, they also could use the vivre card Lola gave them to get to the tea party
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Just a thought: If Big Mom is Lola's mother, they also could use the vivre card Lola gave them to get to the tea party
I think it's been pointed out by someone before…however, how can they know that she's her daughter?
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I think it's been pointed out by someone before…however, how can they know that she's her daughter?
Maybe the picture of Sanji and the daughter comes out in the next newspaper issue and the daughter looks a lot like Lola, or something.
I mean it's very likely it's going to come up, seeing how Abusa doesn't seem to miss anything that comes up in any conversation in NW.
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I still think that Big Mom is NOT Lola's mother.
Even if some of the theories are in a way good proof for it, I am not convinced with them.
First of all if Lola would be her daughter, she would be daughter of a Yonko! I mean, helloooooooo…!?
She should have been able to put a fight with Gecko Moria or tell him who her mother is.I am not saying that she should have been able to defeat him, but after all, holding some kind a fight and power level as her daughter would be fair as Mom's daughter.
After Morias defeat by Kaidou, I doubt that he would lay a finger on a daughter of another Yonkou.
Lola could've easily just take den den mushi and give a call: Yo Moma, this Shichibukai has beaten the crap out of me, send someone from New World to help me.Second, Lola is nice, whereas Big Mom in my eyes is evil. Eating her subordinates, burning down countries, threatening to destroy Fishman Island is very sinister to me.
Dont tell me that she is a good guy in New World and someone who could be an ally to the Strawhats. It makes no Sansa.
I doubt that Luffy will say,cool... hey lets be friends and allies, I dont mind that you eat your crew and destroy countries.Lola's mother is someone else in the New World. Maybe her mother is subordinate to Big Mom or just some individual pirate who will help them in some way.
Now, when we are talking about her appearance and similarities, Lola to me looks more like she could be Miss Bakkin's daughter.
They wear similar hat, Edward Weevil and Lola have the same hairstyle, and Weevil gives me all this zombie feeling like in Thriller Bark so maybe there is some connection to it.
And Weevil also calls Miss Bakkin momma.
So...in the end anything is possible, but you gotta look at it from all angles.Honestly, I am excited to have an evil female pirate, besides Catarina Devon, and probably she is the most powerful and strongest female pirate.
Boa Hancock as the only female Shichibukai is already an ally to SH, so having the only female Yonko also as an ally would be boring.But in the end, its all just my opinion.
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This is getting exciting with all the tea party and sanji marriage thing, I just hope we get to see this mega arc with big mom+ a separate mega arc for Kaido then we can all be satisfied. Dont want Goda to rush and mix Big mums arc with kaido and shorten OP material for all of us.
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Does anyone have a HQ version of the cover page? I saw someone point out Buggy in the newspaper Crocus was reading.
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I still think that Big Mom is NOT Lola's mother.
Even if some of the theories are in a way good proof for it, I am not convinced with them.
First of all if Lola would be her daughter, she would be daughter of a Yonko! I mean, helloooooooo…!?
She should have been able to put a fight with Gecko Moria or tell him who her mother is.There are average civilians as well as pirates in the New World who just aren't that capable. Maybe Lola and her gang were traveling paradise because the difficulty curve in her native ocean was too much. Just having relations to an Emperor doesn't give a free pass to any kind of strength.
I am not saying that she should have been able to defeat him, but after all, holding some kind a fight and power level as her daughter would be fair as Mom's daughter.
After Morias defeat by Kaidou, I doubt that he would lay a finger on a daughter of another Yonkou.
Lola could've easily just take den den mushi and give a call: Yo Moma, this Shichibukai has beaten the crap out of me, send someone from New World to help me.Moriah was regrouping and building his army to become Pirate King and presumedly get his revenge on Kaido. I doubt even a mention of Big Mom would have made him do anything but laugh over confidently. I mean if you are on par with the strongest creature in the world, who do you really have to worry about? In Moriah's mind anyway.
Second, Lola is nice, whereas Big Mom in my eyes is evil. Eating her subordinates, burning down countries, threatening to destroy Fishman Island is very sinister to me.
Dont tell me that she is a good guy in New World and someone who could be an ally to the Strawhats. It makes no Sansa.
I doubt that Luffy will say,cool… hey lets be friends and allies, I dont mind that you eat your crew and destroy countries.While I could be wrong I have very very big doubts that 1: Big Mom, the lover of all things sweet would find raw flesh and blood tasty and 2: Oda would have her eat her flesh and blood minions all willy nilly. Chances are she has an ability user who can make living ginger bread men, cake people, etc. The ship it's self is probably wood and frosting.
Lola certainly seems like she's on the up and up but if you only knew Pekoms from this last chapter everyone would assume he's just a good guy who is probably misunderstood in his home town. I doubt Lola has a dark side but you never know. Her not liking the ways of Big Mom could be a reason in and of it's self that she went off on her own.
Of course all this is assuming she's Big Mom's daughter anyway. I'm guessing she is just an allied crew like the Fire Tanks.
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About Sanji's story.
Sanji said that the person behind his wanted alive only poster is also likely the person that wanted the wedding. Ceasar said that if Sanji will take Big mom's daughter, then the straw hats will become Big mom's underlings.
So Sanji's family, that either is part of the WG somehow or has influence in the WG wants to become the underlings of Big mom? Why would they want to unite with Big mom and go under her if they have the protection of WG.
The Wg does work with pirates, since they have the warlords, but how would they work with a yonkou and why would they have deals with them?
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Really glad that Big Mom is going to be the first yonkou that the strawhats take ok
Jack seems way to op at this point (nevermind kaido)
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I've read many of the posts in the thread, but I am still wondering… If Vinsmokes are mafia/underworld family, how could they change Sanji's poster to "Alive only"? It's not a coincidence also that Alive only went together with his 1st real picture in a wanted poster, meaning that his family has access to such info prior to his new wanted poster with his real photo went public. If they are indeed part of the underworld, with no relation to the world nobles, then isn't it safe to assume that they must have classified information that would threaten the World Nobles if it went public?
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Really glad that Big Mom is going to be the first yonkou that the strawhats take ok
Jack seems way to op at this point (nevermind kaido)
How can you say that? You still have to see her and you assume that an underling of another yonko is stronger than her.
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What if Capone is working for big mom cuz someone on his crew is married to Big Mom's daughters? Like his son or something…-yikes- :wub: Oh, Mr. Prince! :wub:
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IMO doffy still coukd have been save just like law was
That was what doffy kept saying throughout dressrpsa, you reminded me so much of a younger me etc
Doula didn't know enough about Law to state that.
Law was actually nice once, for starters, with a good family and everything. Doula, on the other hand, ignored every act of kindness Homing tried to give.
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Nature vs Nurture debates. Can people really be born evil? If Doffy wasn't born into CD would he have the same outlook on life? Ongoing debate.
It's funny to see people assuming one Yonkou is above another, they're very much equal to one another, even Blackbeard is on par with the rest, after two years of having Gura Gura he must have mastered it somewhat. Having said that, I think Shanks…Is the strongest pirate right now. If there is a pinnacle of haki usage he will be the one to display it when we get to him. Just an opinion.
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I know people point to Doflamingo's parents to show as evidence he was born evil. However, one post on tumblr notices that he was still apart of the Celestial Dragon environment where his parents were the exception not the rule. Heck, one could say his parents were an exception in the Donquixote lineage because Doffy's ancestor enslaved the dwarves. One big factor in this is the fact that his parents until they left the Holy Land never really taught him that the CD ways were bad. They tried too when they moved from the other Celestial Dragons, but by that time Doflamingo already had embraced being a normal Dragon.
http://nev-jupsiii.tumblr.com/tagged/doflamingo_character_analysis
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Because if it happened, the Tamatebako Box would've exploded in Big Mom's face. Pekoms and the others probably didn't go back to the island, and they would've been required to if a tea party was being held. Them making it back means the box would've been opened. It was an important plot point at the end of Fishman Island, so it'd be weird if she just didn't open it for some random reason.
There are various reasons why the bomb couldn't have exploded, much less at Big Mam's face. To mention just one, Neptune & the Minister of the Right mumbled to each other that the humidity of the palace could have disabled the bomb.
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@Galaxy:I'm also inclined to believe this theory.
Tamago did not propose to push the date back two weeks. He told her that on the condition of forgiving them, she would get her sweets (Fishman-Island sweets) in a couple of weeks. He further proposed to procure for her the sweetest sweets he could find as compensation for the Fishman-Island sweets she lost her chance to get, and that's another reason to think that tea party was ongoing.
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The reason he told her that she would get her sweets in a couple of weeks was that the sweet factory was said to take a couple of weeks to be restored to its functional state.!
At the end, they still proceeded to convene for Big Mam's tea party. This is another thing that shows that the tea party was still in motion.!
It's as Vito said, the tea-party assembly is nothing more than a summons order. She must have bigger objectives behind assembling her underlings at a tea party than to just gather together over cakes and tea.!
It is similar to the summons order that Dragon issues to gather the leaders of the revolutionary army.!
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There are various reasons why the bomb couldn't have exploded, much less at Big Mam's face. To mention just one, Neptune & the Minister of the Right mumbled to each other that the humidity of the palace could have disabled the bomb.
Then why even include it in the story? This is a serious case of Chekov's Gun- the bomb needs to play a role later on. Given that the only three that know of the bomb are Neptune and the Ministers and that they decided not to tell the Strawhats, there's probably no one trying to stop Big Mom and her crew from opening the chest and thus we can expect it to go off.
Plus, Neptune and the Minister of the Right are clearly trying to rationalize their actions with silly excuses. They shouldn't actually be believed.
Tamago did not propose to push the date back two weeks. He told her that on the condition of forgiving them, she would get her sweets (Fishman-Island sweets) in a couple of weeks. He further proposed to procure for her the sweetest sweets he could find as compensation for the Fishman-Island sweets she lost her chance to get, and that's another reason to think that tea party was ongoing.
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The reason he told her that she would get her sweets in a couple of weeks was that the sweet factory was said to take a couple of weeks to be restored to its functional state.! http://i.imgur.com/qBAkSlc.jpg
At the end, they still proceeded to convene for Big Mam's tea party. This is another thing that shows that the tea party was still in motion.! http://i.imgur.com/H76zxvu.jpg
It's as Vito said, the tea-party assembly is nothing more than a summons order. She must have bigger objectives behind assembling her underlings at a tea party than to just gather together over cakes and tea.! http://i.imgur.com/JjTXgOQ.png
It is similar to the summons order that Dragon issues to gather the leaders of the revolutionary army.! http://i.imgur.com/H9Zl2Dl.jpg
These are my thoughts on the matter.Tamago says that they'll find sweets to tide her over, not to substitute in at the tea party. The tea party might have happened, but there's a more compelling case that it hasn't yet.
Looks like Vito is the victim of a translation issue there. Based on context, what he really means is that an invitation is nothing LESS than a summons. He indicates that it's not an invitation to be declined but effectively an order to come before her. She might indeed have larger plans in the works, though.
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Although I suppose "nothing more than a summons" could mean there's no cordiality involved and that it's strictly business, though I think the circumstances of a wedding would make Sanji something of a valued guest.
If you get dunked on in the dream, you get dunked on in real life
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Jack seems way to op at this point (nevermind kaido)
Just because of his bounty and him being a Kaidou commander to be honest.
After all his mammoth-DF hasn´t any special abilities we know of so far and Luffy is used to fight zoan users.
I hope we see with this ancient zoan some kind of special usage, because otherwise it may give that powerhouse even more strength, but nothing too complicated to deal with.
Also Jack is known to be defeated and how his trunk-punch was blocked by Inuarashi, doesn`t in all honesty make him look that op.
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Another Thing that came to my mind in this chapter is (if it hasn't been mentioned in these 21 pages) Brook said what Kind of big deal it is to cross the redline (from North to East Blue).
I remember how Pappug explained that if you wanna go through MJ you NEED THE PERMISSION OF THE WG!So either Sanji travelled with his Family or alone they had the permission of the WG to go from North to East Blue. When Noland left Jaya he headed to MJ in order to get back to North Blue.
Anyway that is another hint that the Vinsmoke Family seems affiliated to the WG (what the Bounty Thing already explained as well), but why are they now marrying into a Yonkou Crew? Do they "smell the cake" that the WG will be annihilated within the next years? (When someone will find One Piece)
This Family could be anything, from Mafia to Mint (maybe they are printing the Berries for the WG?)
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Then why even include it in the story? This is a serious case of Chekov's Gun- the bomb needs to play a role later on. Given that the only three that know of the bomb are Neptune and the Ministers and that they decided not to tell the Strawhats, there's probably no one trying to stop Big Mom and her crew from opening the chest and thus we can expect it to go off.
Plus, Neptune and the Minister of the Right are clearly trying to rationalize their actions with silly excuses. They shouldn't actually be believed.
Unless trying to stop the Big Mom from opening the box becomes a plot device itself. For example, SH try very hard to stop BM from opening the box and after a lot of trouble, they fail, only to realize it was a dud after all.
In this case Chekov's Gun would actually be a Red Herring.
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There are various reasons why the bomb couldn't have exploded, much less at Big Mam's face. To mention just one, Neptune & the Minister of the Right mumbled to each other that the humidity of the palace could have disabled the bomb.
Everybody knows that positive thinking never works.
Finagle's Law and all that.
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Unless trying to stop the Big Mom from opening the box becomes a plot device itself. For example, SH try very hard to stop BM from opening the box and after a lot of trouble, they fail, only to realize it was a dud after all.
None of the Straw Hats know about the bomb, so that plot point seems unlikely to happen.
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I still think that Big Mom is NOT Lola's mother. Even if some of the theories are in a way good proof for it, I am not convinced with them. First of all if Lola would be her daughter, she would be daughter of a Yonko! I mean, helloooooooo…!? She should have been able to put a fight with Gecko Moria or tell him who her mother is. I am not saying that she should have been able to defeat him, but after all, holding some kind a fight and power level as her daughter would be fair as Mom's daughter. After Morias defeat by Kaidou, I doubt that he would lay a finger on a daughter of another Yonkou. Lola could've easily just take den den mushi and give a call: Yo Moma, this Shichibukai has beaten the crap out of me, send someone from New World to help me. Second, Lola is nice, whereas Big Mom in my eyes is evil. Eating her subordinates, burning down countries, threatening to destroy Fishman Island is very sinister to me. Dont tell me that she is a good guy in New World and someone who could be an ally to the Strawhats. It makes no Sansa. I doubt that Luffy will say,cool... hey lets be friends and allies, I dont mind that you eat your crew and destroy countries. Lola's mother is someone else in the New World. Maybe her mother is subordinate to Big Mom or just some individual pirate who will help them in some way. Now, when we are talking about her appearance and similarities, Lola to me looks more like she could be Miss Bakkin's daughter. They wear similar hat, Edward Weevil and Lola have the same hairstyle, and Weevil gives me all this zombie feeling like in Thriller Bark so maybe there is some connection to it. And Weevil also calls Miss Bakkin momma. So...in the end anything is possible, but you gotta look at it from all angles. Honestly, I am excited to have an evil female pirate, besides Catarina Devon, and probably she is the most powerful and strongest female pirate. Boa Hancock as the only female Shichibukai is already an ally to SH, so having the only female Yonko also as an ally would be boring. But in the end, its all just my opinion.
you know what… you make total sense and about 5 minutes ago i thought lola was big moms daughter but now i don't anymore.
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Yeah but that doesn't really mean anything as far as CoC is concerned. Usually when it comes to Sanji and his goal to find All Blue people use that as an excuse to limit him in fighting capability or what Haki he could use. Rayleigh simply said those who have made a name for themselves in the world probably possess the CoC. White Beard's ultimate goal was to have a family but his life style of a fighting pirate put him at the top. While Ace did want to become famous, he mainly just wanted to be loved. Now while he displayed is CoC before he even became a leading pirate, he happily served under someone else who he wanted to make king instead of himself.
Sanji is a leader in his own right(as seen with among the Straw Hat's several times) and the fact that he is one of the Straw Hat's main fighters and has a notorious family name would only contribute to possibly gaining conquerers Haki. He may not fight Mihawk but he will be fighting guys of the same caliber who will only add to his notoriety.
For those of you who need fainting couches get ready to clutch your pearls. I think Usopp will get it too, just to a significantly smaller degree since he is so physically average.
Considering the amount of influence Usopp has shown over other people, I find it reasonable that if other crewmembers other than Luffy were to get it… Usopp would be one of them. But I find it more likely only Luffy will have it.
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Forgot about that. Still, it's not that unlikely. They can find out about it, via Jinbe or something. People do communicate in OP.
Jinbe doesn't know either. Only Neptune and the Minister of the Right know that the box has a bomb trap.
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Unless trying to stop the Big Mom from opening the box becomes a plot device itself. For example, SH try very hard to stop BM from opening the box and after a lot of trouble, they fail, only to realize it was a dud after all.
In this case Chekov's Gun would actually be a Red Herring.
I considered that, but as KC said, not enough people know to try and stop it.
One thing that gives me pause is that Oda will almost certainly remind the audience of the bomb just before it fails to go off or right after it explodes, most likely in the form of a flashback. However, a flashback usually requires someone present's memories instead of coming completely out of the blue. My guess is that the scene shifts briefly to Neptune and the Minister of the Right recalling and worrying about the bomb or that Jinbe had known of the bomb's existence way back when it was set in the chest and had simply forgotten until now.
Thinking it through, I'm betting that the scene will cut to Neptune and the MotR will be acting relieved since they haven't heard about any conflict between Big Mom and the Strawhats yet. Nice touch of dramatic irony to explain a sudden explosion.
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Vito the Phantom Gun? With that, the tongue and those big hands I'm in the Chameleon Zoan boat.
Before he whispered in Sanji's ear, Sanji seemed confident that he didn't need to show up to the tea party. I'm trying to figure if threatened Sanji with a family secret or possibly that "future Straw Hat Jinbe" would be in bigger trouble if Sanji didn't show up. That's a bit of long shot but it's Jinbe, I can theorize all things through the first son of the sea.
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Can someone explain to me why Brook believes that Sanji has no intent on returning. I read the VIZ version and still can't figure it out. I saw a discussion about it earlier but don't know where it is.Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯
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Vito the Phantom Gun? With that, the tongue and those big hands I'm in the Chameleon Zoan boat.
Before he whispered in Sanji's ear, Sanji seemed confident that he didn't need to show up to the tea party. I'm trying to figure if threatened Sanji with a family secret or possibly that "future Straw Hat Jinbe" would be in bigger trouble if Sanji didn't show up. That's a bit of long shot but it's Jinbe, I can theorize all things through the first son of the sea.
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Can someone explain to me why Brook believes that Sanji has no intent on returning. I read the VIZ version and still can't figure it out. I saw a discussion about it earlier but don't know where it is.For me, it's the smile. It reminded me of the one Luffy gave in Loguetown when he thought his life would end. Smoker was able to recognize it as such (admittedly, that's because he saw or at least heard about Roger's at his execution), so it stands to reason Brook (a man who also died with a smile) would see Sanji's as his 'this is the end of the line' face that dying characters give. (No, I don't believe Sanji will die, I just see similarities).
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For me, it's the smile. It reminded me of the one Luffy gave in Loguetown when he thought his life would end. Smoker was able to recognize it as such (admittedly, that's because he saw or at least heard about Roger's at his execution), so it stands to reason Brook (a man who also died with a smile) would see Sanji's as his 'this is the end of the line' face that dying characters give. (No, I don't believe Sanji will die, I just see similarities).
Ohhh I see! Kind of like Rocinante's "I love you" to Law right? I get it. Yeah that makes sense to me. Thanks.
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it would be nice to see all those smile moments in a collage, to compare
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There are various reasons why the bomb couldn't have exploded, much less at Big Mam's face. To mention just one, Neptune & the Minister of the Right mumbled to each other that the humidity of the palace could have disabled the bomb.
Like others have said, there'd be no reason to create that plot point if it wasn't going to explode at all. The panel you linked is pretty much a gag panel, with the two spouting outrageous scenarios silently to each other in order to justify the delivery of the box.
Tamago did not propose to push the date back two weeks. He told her that on the condition of forgiving them, she would get her sweets (Fishman-Island sweets) in a couple of weeks. He further proposed to procure for her the sweetest sweets he could find as compensation for the Fishman-Island sweets she lost her chance to get, and that's another reason to think that tea party was ongoing.
I'm aware that it wasn't something outright stated, but reading between the lines, it'd make the most sense for those sweets to have been the main attraction of that tea party.
But the sweet angle doesn't even matter with the bounty revelation and the bomb's lack of explosion.
The reason he told her that she would get her sweets in a couple of weeks was that the sweet factory was said to take a couple of weeks to be restored to its functional state.
Same as above, really.
At the end, they still proceeded to convene for Big Mam's tea party. This is another thing that shows that the tea party was still in motion.
I wouldn't say them leaving the island means anything in relation to the tea party. In Tamago's mind, she was waiting for them to bring new sweets and the treasure from Fishman Island.
It's as Vito said, the tea-party assembly is nothing more than a summons order. She must have bigger objectives behind assembling her underlings at a tea party than to just gather together over cakes and tea.
Viz's translation:
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But yeah, of course. And when the bounty poster of Sanji was discovered, she probably decided to delay the other one because the main event would be even more beneficial to her power.
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Even if we suppose that his threat was genuine, there is no way of knowing whether that bullet was imbued with haki or whether it was a sea stone bullet.
I think seastone is too precious to be wasted on bullets(that may hit or miss), specially for pirates.
Vito's position, made me think of Jimbe's official title as a strawhat! he can't be just a 'fighter', with all his experience and connections he fits the role of an adviser very nicely.
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Jinbei the adviser, has a ring to it. Most of it will probably fall on deaf ears mind you lol.
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Any one can think of another one of these smiles? or have a better panel?
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There are various reasons why the bomb couldn't have exploded, much less at Big Mam's face. To mention just one, Neptune & the Minister of the Right mumbled to each other that the humidity of the palace could have disabled the bomb.
Tamago did not propose to push the date back two weeks. He told her that on the condition of forgiving them, she would get her sweets (Fishman-Island sweets) in a couple of weeks. He further proposed to procure for her the sweetest sweets he could find as compensation for the Fishman-Island sweets she lost her chance to get, and that's another reason to think that tea party was ongoing.
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The reason he told her that she would get her sweets in a couple of weeks was that the sweet factory was said to take a couple of weeks to be restored to its functional state.These are my thoughts on the matter.
Your thoughts are pretty solid and I believe you are right.
I also believe pekoms and tamago still have to go to mom's whole cake, since they needed 3 days from fishman island to go there but they went after chasing caesar clown seeing him on punk hazard at the tv, and they were on the sea outside dressrosa that day. after that they went to zou so in my opinion the bomb is still in the ship with tamago, the party still have to happen and mom have not opened the bomb yet.
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Bellmere, Nami's foster mom.
Saul who was a D. Most, if not all, Ds that pass away smile at their time of death.
Merry (perma smile by default but he was happy)
Queen Otohime maybe?Any one can think of another one of these smiles? or have a better panel?
[qimg]http://i.imgur.com/aiav39u.jpg[/qimg]
Year of Sanji, let's go!
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Saul who was a D. Most, if not all, Ds that pass away smile at their time of death.
All of them have shown traits of doing so, besides Blackbeard. He's the off one in the Ds, since he was scared of being killed by Whitebeard.
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Can someone explain to me why Brook believes that Sanji has no intent on returning. I read the VIZ version and still can't figure it out. I saw a discussion about it earlier but don't know where it is.
Could it be to protect his friends and to leave all of them outside of this, given his family power, could it be because he knows it's a suicidal mission or also other unknown reasons. We have to wait and see.
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Any one can think of another one of these smiles? or have a better panel?
[qimg]http://i.imgur.com/aiav39u.jpg[/qimg]This one, easy.
If you get dunked on in the dream, you get dunked on in real life
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This one, easy.
i meant a smile while knowing they are going to die. Nami has a nice smile there but not on that situation.
I updated the collage. 9 smiles so far, only 5 are from known D's
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i meant a smile while knowing they are going to die. Nami has a nice smile there but not on that situation.
I updated the collage. 9 smiles so far, only 5 are from known D's
http://i.imgur.com/NylXHaA.jpgSanji doesn't know he's going to die. I doubt he even thinks he's going to die.
If you get dunked on in the dream, you get dunked on in real life
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Sanji doesn't know he's going to die. I doubt he even thinks he's going to die.
that one is the theory part, i guess we will know soon enough. The smile is similar at least.
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Jinbe doesn't know either. Only Neptune and the Minister of the Right know that the box has a bomb trap.
"People do communicate in OP" meaning Jinbe probably likes to stay in touch with FI and vice-versa. I'd think accidentally sending a bomb to Jinbe's boss might concern him, in more ways than one. And we're talking about a pirate who destroys islands when candy is late. Oh I'm sure she's going to consider the bomb hilariously exploded in her face due to series of unfortunate events. She seems the type.
It might serve as a plot device is all I'm saying. With all that's at stake, it would be idiotic if FI didn't at least try to give Jinbe heads up or something.
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Then why even include it in the story? This is a serious case of Chekov's Gun- the bomb needs to play a role later on. Given that the only three that know of the bomb are Neptune and the Ministers and that they decided not to tell the Strawhats, there's probably no one trying to stop Big Mom and her crew from opening the chest and thus we can expect it to go off.
The bomb being included in the story portends an explosion, but it doesn't guarantee it. I personally don't think it won't explode, but that remains just what I think. At this point, there is no guarantee of how that bomb will end up. The point of the provided evidence is to not dismiss anything. It doesn't just tell of the disabling of the bomb by humidity, it further tells that Big Mam doesn't necessarily have to be the one to open it. I should have textually included this as well, but I thought that the image would be sufficient to convey even this possibility.
I agree with you that the bomb is likely to play a role in the future, but nothing specifies 'when'.
Given that she has rings in every finger of her hands, the joke will probably be somewhat like this:
She will confuse that box for a 'ring box' and open it thinking that it has another pretty ring for her fingers, and that will set off the bomb. Nice scenario, isn't it?The possible scenarios of why the box might still be unopened are numerous, and for this reason, we should keep an open mind. Don't forget that there is a wedding going on, so that box might have been found, confused for an engagement ring box, and saved particularly for this wedding. So there is this scenario as well.
@Jabberwok:Plus, Neptune and the Minister of the Right are clearly trying to rationalize their actions with silly excuses. They shouldn't actually be believed.
I thought so, too, but then again this is One Piece. There are times when silly things turn the tide of events in the favor of the Straw Hats.
Remember when Luffy initiated his octopus technique for the first time, that was very silly (and I like it):!
But that silly technique turned the tide of battle in Luffy's favor:!
@Jabberwok:Tamago says that they'll find sweets to tide her over, not to substitute in at the tea party. The tea party might have happened, but there's a more compelling case that it hasn't yet.
The context of events alludes to it as a compensation. Big Mam angry at the lack of the sweets she was looking forward to and Tamago pacifying her by telling her that he will get her the sweetest sweets he could find allude to a compensation.
@Jabberwok:Looks like Vito is the victim of a translation issue there. Based on context, what he really means is that an invitation is nothing LESS than a summons. He indicates that it's not an invitation to be declined but effectively an order to come before her. She might indeed have larger plans in the works, though.
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Although I suppose "nothing more than a summons" could mean there's no cordiality involved and that it's strictly business, though I think the circumstances of a wedding would make Sanji something of a valued guest.
I see. I don't think it should be taken literally. Mangastream is known to horse around in their translations sometimes ('Martha Stewart crap'). The way I interpreted it was that the tea party was in fact a summons order. And, of course, the visual context implies that one must come to it at any cost.
Check this out:
This is MS:!
This is Powermanga:!
Obviously Hack was furious at Sabo for hanging up, but MS translated it as though the operator was the one who hung up. Furthermore, Sabo asked the crow if they are ready to sail, but MS translated that as though Sabo asked the crow if he can bring the other crows anytime.
@King:Everybody knows that positive thinking never works.
Finagle's Law and all that.
By your logic everyone should have died in Dressrosa because this guy right here was not thinking that positive thinking that 'never works'.
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@King:Everybody knows…
'A wise man proportions his beliefs to the evidence'.
David Hume@King:Jinbe doesn't know either. Only Neptune and the Minister of the Right know that the box has a bomb trap.
He has got a point there. He said that people communicate in One Piece. Assuming Jimbei doesn't know, I think the Minister of the Right or Neptune could convey that message to Jimbei via a snail phone or something. That is, if they haven't already done so.
Furthermore, it was never stated that the Minister of the Right and Neptune were the ONLY people privy to that information, so this leaves room for the possibility that Jimbei could have known about it as well.
@Galaxy:Like others have said, there'd be no reason to create that plot point if it wasn't going to explode at all. The panel you linked is pretty much a gag panel, with the two spouting outrageous scenarios silently to each other in order to justify the delivery of the box.
The scenario that Razh proposed was pretty funny. It could be used by the author. We should keep an open mind and not dismiss anything lest we find ourselves wrong.
Concerning the theory of delaying the tea party, I found what that guy said weird, but now I see why: he used Mangastream's translation.
Mangastream translation definitely conveys that message. He is right to think that, but there's a big translation difference between Cnet and Mangastream's.
http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/651/16
@Galaxy:Same as above, really.
One must give his words weight and ensure that there won't be any possible misunderstandings.
@Galaxy:I wouldn't say them leaving the island means anything in relation to the tea party. In Tamago's mind, she was waiting for them to bring new sweets and the treasure from Fishman Island.
It does actually, especially when the reason for their return to Big Mam was outright stated to be the tea party.
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Everybody knows that positive thinking never works.
Finagle's Law and all that.
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None of the Straw Hats know about the bomb, so that plot point seems unlikely to happen.
Robin might know about the bomb since Oda drew that one panel with her asking what they were talking about so secretive.
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The bomb being included in the story portends an explosion, but it doesn't guarantee it. I personally don't think it won't explode, but that remains just what I think. At this point, there is no guarantee of how that bomb will end up. The point of the provided evidence is to not dismiss anything. It doesn't just tell of the disabling of the bomb by humidity, it further tells that Big Mam doesn't necessarily have to be the one to open it. I should have textually included this as well, but I thought that the image would be sufficient to convey even this possibility.
Sure, it could be anybody that opens it if Oda wants to create such a twist.
But all the hints, gag or not, point to Big Mom being the one to receive it, which will result in her getting incredibly angry at Fishman Island or Luffy.
I agree with you that the bomb is likely to play a role in the future, but nothing specifies 'when'.
It would be whenever it was delivered to her, as it was framed as a dire situation at the end of Fishman Island by the Minister and Neptune. With it not being opened or mentioned at all, it's probably still safely on Pekoms' ship.
The possible scenarios of why the box might still be unopened are numerous, and for this reason, we should keep an open mind. Don't forget that there is a wedding going on, so that box might have been found, confused for an engagement ring box, and saved particularly for this wedding. So there is this scenario as well.
That seems really far fetched. We didn't even get to see the box, and I doubt it's that small.
I thought so, too, but then again this is One Piece. There are times when silly things turn the tide of events in the favor of the Straw Hats.
Remember when Luffy initiated his octopus technique for the first time, that was very silly (and I like it):! http://i.imgur.com/FJ2ddBf.jpg
But that silly technique turned the tide of battle in Luffy's favor:There's a huge difference between techniques resulting from gags, and something like this that will likely have dire consequences afterwards.
The context of events alludes to it as a compensation. Big Mam angry at the lack of the sweets she was looking forward to and Tamago pacifying her by telling her that he will get her the sweetest sweets he could find allude to a compensation.
The new sweets are definitely a compensation, but it is not a guarantee of the tea party happening, as this was before the Vinsmoke family would've seen Sanji's picture and contacted Big Mom.
He has got a point there. He said that people communicate in One Piece. Assuming Jimbei doesn't know, I think the Minister of the Right or Neptune could convey that message to Jimbei via a snail phone or something. That is, if they haven't already done so.
I think it's safe to say they didn't though. They were all about keeping it under wraps, and had no idea how to tell anybody else about it.
Plus, this could've easily been shown on panel, and Jinbe's departure from Fishman Island probably would've been more dire than beating up Caribou and dropping him off at G-5, and then proceeding to help a sea-cat.
Furthermore, it was never stated that the Minister of the Right and Neptune were the ONLY people privy to that information, so this leaves room for the possibility that Jimbei could have known about it as well.
What's shown in the manga is important though here. Jinbe might have known about the contents, but he definitely didn't know it got sent in the exchange.
Concerning the theory of delaying the tea party, I found what that guy said weird, but now I see why: he used Mangastream's translation.
Mangastream translation definitely conveys that message. He is right to think that, but there's a big translation difference between Cnet and Mangastream's.
http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/651/16One must give his words weight and ensure that there won't be any possible misunderstandings.
The translations are virtually the same though for this dialogue, if you do the same reading between the lines.
There's no factual basis to the theory of it being decided then and there of course. The hints to that actually come from other events, like the bounty poster, the box, etc.
It does actually, especially when the reason for their return to Big Mam was outright stated to be the tea party.
This is before the Den Den Mushi conversation though. The context of the previous statement still remains the same to me.
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There are 2 other people besides Brook who can possibly give information on the Vinsmoke family.
One of them is Law. With him coming from the north lands and his rather educated even if tragic background chances are he has heard about the Vinsmoke Family
The other person is Robin. She's just a walking enciclopedia of history.
So:
Brook–-> Actions from the past that he remembers
Law---> Local to the North probably knows more details
Robin---> Do I need to explain?
Would you like a Blast?
100000000000000 Berries please.
Blasting Destinations: Gotham city, Jaya, central perk, E. R.
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Now that the flashback is over I hope SOMEBODY will explain some things about Vinsmoke and North Blue. There can't be that many apes that fall from the sky to prevent us from knowing something. And those who explained what happened these last chapters just teased us and told us stuff we already figured out. Seriously.
