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    733: "Strike Heaven - Luffy's Furious King Kong Gun''

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    • Long John Silvers Rayleigh
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      @Machineman:

      pushing contest > anticlamtic punch in the manga

      Completely disagree, do you like luffy looking consistently weaker, the anime made ot look like he was only as strong as caesar and before that they made it look like hody was too fast for him, they make opponents look a lot tougher so the internal progress gets all screwed up when luffy is getting messed up by everyone.

      As an adaptation they should try to stay true to the manga

      You can stretch fights without making them subpar

      Enel finisher was one punch but he didnt dtruggle, lucci fight was continuius he wasnt trading blows, crocodioe had him fiht through sand but it was relatively easy, the flashbacks and the hit ni padding would have taken 3 minutes still

      Chapter 437 Discussion after franky decides to join the Strawhats:

      So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?

      H x H Chimera Ant Arc / OP Manga Spoiler

      Spoiler:

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        Okay you'll have to forgive me, I'm not One Pace and I haven't uploaded a youtube video in ages. But I made some attempts at editing it.

        Here's just like it was in the manga:

        and here's where I left in the effects that I kinda liked:

        This one needs work, it's kinda choppy but my video editing program kept crashing and I was supposed to be in bed 2 hours ago and here I am posting this. maybe I'll take another crack at it. Let me know what you think.

        _For with a closing door, another surely opens

        Just you wait and see,

        And when you look back on where we've been together

        Wherever you may be

        I hope that you remember me_

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          @Quexinos:

          Okay you'll have to forgive me, I'm not One Pace and I haven't uploaded a youtube video in ages. But I made some attempts at editing it.

          Here's just like it was in the manga:

          and here's where I left in the effects that I kinda liked:

          This one needs work, it's kinda choppy but my video editing program kept crashing and I was supposed to be in bed 2 hours ago and here I am posting this. maybe I'll take another crack at it. Let me know what you think.

          I like the second one, i'd probably take out the rocket booster leg effect and go straight to the punch as is depicted in your first video though.

          Chapter 437 Discussion after franky decides to join the Strawhats:

          So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?

          H x H Chimera Ant Arc / OP Manga Spoiler

          Spoiler:

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            Honestly, the "pushing contest" didn't bother me at all this time. It was total BS in Punk Hazard because it wasn't believable that Caesar could even do that. Here, though, if you didn't read the manga, you could possibly buy Doflamingo being able to struggle against the attack a bit. If there was any fight where this change would make some amount of sense, I honestly think this would be it.

            but the problem is always the same..luffy's attack are punches,not kamehamehas,it doesn't make sense for the attacks to clash like that,since even if one wins the "pushing battle",any kind op power in the punch is gone,since the punch by definition needs to be something snappy,that hits and retracts..not something you push someone with..that's..well..a push

            it would have made a little more sense if all that blocked the punch was the spider web,and the block only lasted one or two second,in time for the entire punch to extend and release all his force..but this way,with push and pull and doffy's threads piercing his arm,it doesn't make a lick of sense

            onepiece doesn't need to turn into dragonball

            also..the powers of luffy are based on rubber,if you don't make rubber attacks snappy,what else?

            there,ten thousand times better

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              The pushing reminds me to much on Dragonball and Kamehameha, it doesn't bother me so much but without the Impact would be better and show how much Ruffy grown. But overall nice Episode, I realyl enjoyed it.

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                Fuck you Toei.
                Seriously fuck you.

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                  @Sun_Chopper:

                  A 2-year-long arc with just a "quick hit" as finisher? That would have been disaster if they had done so.

                  Worked fine in the manga IMO.
                  @Quexinos:

                  Okay you'll have to forgive me, I'm not One Pace and I haven't uploaded a youtube video in ages. But I made some attempts at editing it.

                  Thanks pal! It's great!

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                    I dont like Luffy design with this attack. He is fat like a balloon. Hardly convincing for a person who fights. Makes him look slow.

                    The fight was boring aswell. No action just power. When I compare with Luffy vs Crocodile there is a huge difference in quality of action.

                    Dressrosa was a nice idea but not the best arc.

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                      On the other hand I liked the extended flashback with Rayliegh.
                      When the chapter came out many readers misunderstood his words.
                      I wasn't sure that my interpretation was the good one either.

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                        Glad to see that I'm not the only one who was really disapointed with this stupid pushing contest…Otherwise, this episode was correct, but maybe a bit slow (an episode for a full fight chapter is a bit too much).

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                          The finisher could definitely have been better… But it was less stupid than the Caesar pushing contest which was in turn less stupid than the abomination that was Super Saiyan Hody (No, I will never get over that episode), so... progress? At least the impact was handled pretty well, even if it took way too long for them to get to it.

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                            I hope someone makes a shorter version gif or something so when luffy launches his attack it immediatly recks Doflamingo instead of 30 second annoying back and forth with bunch of cries thrown in.

                            Edit : Quexinos already did so here which makes the scene a fuckton times better.

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                              @Quexinos:

                              Okay you'll have to forgive me, I'm not One Pace and I haven't uploaded a youtube video in ages. But I made some attempts at editing it.

                              Here's just like it was in the manga:

                              and here's where I left in the effects that I kinda liked:

                              This one needs work, it's kinda choppy but my video editing program kept crashing and I was supposed to be in bed 2 hours ago and here I am posting this. maybe I'll take another crack at it. Let me know what you think.

                              Not bad, not bad at all… Though obviously the music cuts sort of hurt it. I tried to do my own take on it, editing the video and audio separately to try and add some smoother transitions. I kept in the shot of the ocean brewing simply because it allowed for a less awkward cut in the music (I just used that shot to fade in on the Strong World soundtrack) and I cut that slow motion shot of Doffy being thrown back by the impact down considerably, but I feel like unless someone here is good enough to actually remove the music from the scene entirely, this is probably about as good as we're gonna get... Though One Pace guys, feel free to prove me wrong.
                              I don't want to risk my YT-account by posting this, so have a Dropbox download link instead. The video is like 60MB.

                              …And for the record, no I do not think this would have been any less satisfying. Quite the contrary, if I'd had my way the scene would have been even quicker. We already had like fifty episodes' worth of Luffy and Doffy fighting, plus a good three minutes of buildup for this specific attack. Dragging it out the way Toei did, in my opinion, only made it less impressive.

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                                Not a fan of the pushing contest
                                Not a fan of the reused Gear Fourth animation

                                But I'll give the animation in general a pass, it could have been way worse lol.

                                Working process.

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                                  I wish they could same as they did in Episode 728

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                                    @Vegard:

                                    Not bad, not bad at all… Though obviously the music cuts sort of hurt it. I tried to do my own take on it, editing the video and audio separately to try and add some smoother transitions. I kept in the shot of the ocean brewing simply because it allowed for a less awkward cut in the music (I just used that shot to fade in on the Strong World soundtrack) and I cut that slow motion shot of Doffy being thrown back by the impact down considerably, but I feel like unless someone here is good enough to actually remove the music from the scene entirely, this is probably about as good as we're gonna get... Though One Pace guys, feel free to prove me wrong.
                                    I don't want to risk my YT-account by posting this, so have a Dropbox download link instead. The video is like 60MB.

                                    …And for the record, no I do not think this would have been any less satisfying. Quite the contrary, if I'd had my way the scene would have been even quicker. We already had like fifty episodes' worth of Luffy and Doffy fighting, plus a good three minutes of buildup for this specific attack. Dragging it out the way Toei did, in my opinion, only made it less impressive.

                                    Oh i didn't even THINK to use the the water part as a transition for the audio…. (I also didn't have the song :P)

                                    Okay this guy (girl?) got it right. That would have been perfect

                                    _For with a closing door, another surely opens

                                    Just you wait and see,

                                    And when you look back on where we've been together

                                    Wherever you may be

                                    I hope that you remember me_

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                                      That was complete crap. I think at the beggining of next episode they might have a more condensed version of the punch
                                      I think im gonna try and make my own version aswell

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                                        tomita is just perfect. that was a nice finisher

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                                          Pushing contest aside, I wasn't too impressed with this episode. I caught at least three instances of reused animation, and about a quarter of the episode was just people shouting Luffy's name. Oh, and the Birdcage was moving far too quickly. Art and animation was generally good when not recycled, though.

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                                            I found the finish blow good, it wasn't fast and too long either, they did ok with it!
                                            Most of people are through with this arc, a long ending blow would have been too much to me.

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                                              It's probably more Oda's fault than the anime team's, but that punch really should've followed Doffy down and slammed him through the streets. The hit itself was too fast and impersonal.

                                              Ironic that the only quick thing about this arc was the payoff. For a series that, at it's core, is about waiting a year to watch Luffy punch someone really hard, there should never be any complaints about those moments when they finally arrive.

                                              Luffy straight-up killing the Baron in Movie 6 is probably the best punch in OP. The moment the villain realizes he's f'ed, the careful placement of slow motion, the lingering impact with a total drain of color, and that satisfying crunch as he gets launched. Way more intense than what we got with Doffy.

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                                                Wow, Luffy just barely won at the end. They were evenly matched until Luffy somehow overcame that tug of war finisher battle.

                                                Oh wait… that wasn't how it went down in the manga.

                                                lol yeah, Luffy just demolished Dofla in the manga with the attack. No tug-of-war BS. Luckily, it wasn't tainted as badly as the Caeser finisher

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                                                  Toei always animates filler really good in these finishers wich is dumb because they skimp out on plenty of good cannon transitions, switch out that terrible rebecca still for it being well animated and cut this episode by 30 seconds, hell extend the end

                                                  Toei is dragging the worst part they could

                                                  I dont have confidence in them to accurately portray a fight anymore.

                                                  Chapter 437 Discussion after franky decides to join the Strawhats:

                                                  So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?

                                                  H x H Chimera Ant Arc / OP Manga Spoiler

                                                  Spoiler:

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                                                    Very very well done, my favorite part of Dressrosa in the manga is still my favorite part in the anime. I'm fine with the pushing against the strings; at least Doffy was taken out with a clean hit. Yes, they did the same Gear Fourth animation, but I'll forgive that because they remedied the manga mistake of Luffy not blowing into his arm.

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                                                      i liked god thread more than kingkonggun in this episode
                                                      and i hated rebecca part
                                                      they could use fan service (boobs) budget on gear 4th transform and many other more useful things

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                                                        @o-chan:

                                                        Just saw the episode, the finisher was beautifully done. Can't wait to show it to friends.

                                                        I second that! I was highly impressed with the climax! 🙂

                                                        Unfortunately, this also means that they are gonna drag the shit out of that filler chapter in the next episode which I'm definitely skipping. -_-

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                                                          All in all though, I didn't like this episode and I don't say that a lot. Idk, I just felt like they took the most goddamned cliche route doing King Kong Gun when they could have just stuck with the manga version even a little bit. I don't remember God Thread piercing Luffy during the final clash in the manga. WTF? Why oh why make it over-dramatic? Everybody calling out "Lucy"? Really. Argh, they could have done it so much better. Again, the very end of the episode and the music in it was great, Doflamingo looked cool and in my opinion was animated better, but really the final clash was essentially a "beam struggle" instead of Luffy just crushing Dofla thru his strings in the manga? Smh cmon. It's still One Piece so I enjoyed it but I'm disappointed :getlost:.

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                                                            I guess I'm write up a little review on this episode.

                                                            It's the moment we've been waiting two whole years for. The finale to Luffy vs Doflamingo. The big clash. The last attack.
                                                            Did it live up to the hype and satisfy expectations?

                                                            Sorta.

                                                            When it comes to the anime adaptation, we One Piece fans can be a fickle bunch. Not that our grievances aren't well justified, it's just that even if a certain scene doesn't follow the flow of the manga beat by beat, it's going to be underwhelming.
                                                            The episode started nicely with Luffy and Doffy staring each other down. Even the Everwhite and Thousand Arrow Flap Wing were impressively well-done.
                                                            There were a few extra moments added in that, in my opinion, helped flesh out the battle and upcoming clash at the end.

                                                            • Luffy commenting that Kong Gun wasn't enough to put down Doffy (even though he shouldn't have had an inner monologue at ALL, but I'll give that a pass)
                                                            • Doflamingo holding his stomach, still reminding the viewer that he's still gravely wounded
                                                            • actually showing how Luffy activated G4 despite being puppet-erred (and I'll just ignore the poorly integrated re-used animation)
                                                            • The extra dialogue between Luffy and Rayleigh as the flashbacks intermingle with Luffy actually inflating his arm.

                                                            Then we have the big clash. And it starts off very exciting with the expanding shockwave and the gust of Conqueror's Haki swirling around Dressrosa.
                                                            Then it continues on and on….and on. Then Luffy gets pushed back by the strings. Then we get cutaways to almost everyone calling out Luffy's name as if it's supposed to make the moment more dramatic. Then Luffy's legs somehow turn into rocket jets (this is where the liberties that the anime takes go out of hand). Then Luffy finally breaks through and nails Doffy square in the face for the takedown.

                                                            This climactic end barely sticks the landing. The highlight of weeks of waiting that has been initially fumbled by too many cutaways and being dragged out again for a few seconds too long.
                                                            The pushing and struggling isn't much of a problem since, unlike with Hody and Caesar, we know just how ridiculously strong Doflamingo is. Therefore, it's somewhat reasonable that the anime would include a struggle.
                                                            The cutaways and the tiresome nature of the pacing bogs down this "grand finale" to a "pretty neat finale" even with Tomita's fantastic animation.
                                                            So this episode leaves me satisfied, but not with an OMG EXCITED satisfied.

                                                            Art: B-
                                                            Animation: B
                                                            Pacing: B-
                                                            Content: B

                                                            Overall: B

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                                                              @MasterKingJC:

                                                              I guess I'm write up a little review on this episode.

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                                                              It's the moment we've been waiting two whole years for. The finale to Luffy vs Doflamingo. The big clash. The last attack.
                                                              Did it live up to the hype and satisfy expectations?

                                                              Sorta.

                                                              When it comes to the anime adaptation, we One Piece fans can be a fickle bunch. Not that our grievances aren't well justified, it's just that even if a certain scene doesn't follow the flow of the manga beat by beat, it's going to be underwhelming.
                                                              The episode started nicely with Luffy and Doffy staring each other down. Even the Everwhite and Thousand Arrow Flap Wing were impressively well-done.
                                                              There were a few extra moments added in that, in my opinion, helped flesh out the battle and upcoming clash at the end.

                                                              • Luffy commenting that Kong Gun wasn't enough to put down Doffy (even though he shouldn't have had an inner monologue at ALL, but I'll give that a pass)
                                                              • Doflamingo holding his stomach, still reminding the viewer that he's still gravely wounded
                                                              • actually showing how Luffy activated G4 despite being puppet-erred (and I'll just ignore the poorly integrated re-used animation)
                                                              • The extra dialogue between Luffy and Rayleigh as the flashbacks intermingle with Luffy actually inflating his arm.

                                                              Then we have the big clash. And it starts off very exciting with the expanding shockwave and the gust of Conqueror's Haki swirling around Dressrosa.
                                                              Then it continues on and on….and on. Then Luffy gets pushed back by the strings. Then we get cutaways to almost everyone calling out Luffy's name as if it's supposed to make the moment more dramatic. Then Luffy's legs somehow turn into rocket jets (this is where the liberties that the anime takes go out of hand). Then Luffy finally breaks through and nails Doffy square in the face for the takedown.

                                                              This climactic end barely sticks the landing. The highlight of weeks of waiting that has been initially fumbled by too many cutaways and being dragged out again for a few seconds too long.
                                                              The pushing and struggling isn't much of a problem since, unlike with Hody and Caesar, we know just how ridiculously strong Doflamingo is. Therefore, it's somewhat reasonable that the anime would include a struggle.
                                                              The cutaways and the tiresome nature of the pacing bogs down this "grand finale" to a "pretty neat finale" even with Tomita's fantastic animation.
                                                              So this episode leaves me satisfied, but not with an OMG EXCITED satisfied.

                                                              Art: B-
                                                              Animation: B
                                                              Pacing: B-
                                                              Content: B

                                                              Overall: B

                                                              I took that scene with his holding his stomach and smiling much differently. It looked to show that he was feeling pretty damn fine after it being 10-12 minutes since he took that huge hit.

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                                                              Aso big difference in how they animated the punch

                                                              The anime makes it look more gear 3 than gear 4, his arm never expands into a huge but not that big fist to break through the defenses, instead it just hits him

                                                              Galaxy 9000, would you perhaps use this after shot still or just go straight into the punch after the initial hit

                                                              Chapter 437 Discussion after franky decides to join the Strawhats:

                                                              So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?

                                                              H x H Chimera Ant Arc / OP Manga Spoiler

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                                                                This episode was one big mixed bag.

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                                                                  The "pushing" after Luffy release his attack doesn't make any sense. Why are the animators so adamant on doing those?! Seriously, just slow the thing down for drama. Don't pad in stupid stuff.

                                                                  Some long-term predictions: Vegapunk with Paw-Paw fruit for Nakama!!! Kaidou is gonna be killed by Blackbeard and get his strongest Zoan DF!!!

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                                                                    Very well done episode.. I liked the addition, they've made few epic moments.. and of course I wouldn't like them to waste the time on people screaming, crying.. reacting instead because of course we've already had our enough from it. I didn't like how Oda introduce and showed the awakening in the manga.. but Toei served it just right in the whole fight not just in this episode.. anyway that was an epic episode, can't wait to see what people would make of the whole fight for amv

                                                                    We can now say our goodbyes to the best villain ever.. for the time being 😴

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                                                                      what a bunch of haters here,
                                                                      i seem to be one of the few that actually liked this episode.

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                                                                        I also really liked the episode but typical manga fans no matter what toei did they would find a way to be outraged about something.

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                                                                          I also really liked the episode but typical manga fans no matter what toei did they would find a way to be outraged about something.

                                                                          Seriously? People aren't allowed to dislike the adaptation just because they read the manga?

                                                                          No, that shouldn't be the case.

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                                                                            From what I see the only people who complain are manga readers. Nitpicking on everything because they have an idea of what a scene should have looked like because they already read the manga.

                                                                            I dont see anime only watchers complain as much.

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                                                                              From what I see the only people who complain are manga readers. Nitpicking on everything because they have an idea of what a scene should have looked like because they already read the manga.

                                                                              I dont see anime only watchers complain as much.

                                                                              This is completely true. It would be the same for people reading Dragon Ball then watching it, people forget along the way that is isn't nearly as exciting when you know the outcome.

                                                                              From this point on I'm going on a manga reading hiatus until 2017 to see how my opinion changes, no weekly chapters anymore, like a recovering alcoholic.

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                                                                                Okay, I really, really wish that they didn't reuse the "I will surpass you" theme near the end there. For a few minutes, it felt like the director watched the ending of one of Luffy's rivalries, and being too lazy to think of another song, just decided to reuse this. It didn't even fit the scene! I'm thankful that they changed themes before the final attack, but those few minutes before then sucked all the fun out of the episode. I've never been so miserable during ending of a Luffy fight. That said, the final punch was sick.

                                                                                **** you Toshinori Fukazawa, you took a cool theme and made it bad. **** you in your mansion with your assumingly millions of dollars made from directing anime. Whoever you are. I don't really care that much.

                                                                                Also, I don't mind the struggle/pushing so much. I do mind that Toei is taking Luffy's huge punch attacks, and somehow turn them into ki blast struggles from DBZ. That moment before the punch landed was a ki struggle in the same vein of Dragonball Z (complete with Super Saiyan 2 electro sparks), and I'm not okay with that. The studio of one popular work should not be ripping off another popular work when either one can stand perfectly well on it's own. For shame.

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                                                                                  @MugiwaraPirate:

                                                                                  From what I see the only people who complain are manga readers. Nitpicking on everything because they have an idea of what a scene should have looked like because they already read the manga.

                                                                                  I dont see anime only watchers complain as much.

                                                                                  Ask an anime viewer, after watching this episode, to read the manga chapter and say what was the best finisher. I seriously doubt many would chose the manga one, after seeing this first.

                                                                                  Things don't need to look exactly the same. Whatever works in manga format doesn't always translate well to animation if it's just copy and paste. And some readers want the anime scenes to go down exactly the same way they took it. Of course that'll rarely happen.

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                                                                                  Also, I don't mind the struggle/pushing so much. I do mind that Toei is taking Luffy's huge punch attacks, and somehow turn them into ki blast struggles from DBZ. That moment before the punch landed was a ki struggle in the same vein of Dragonball Z (complete with Super Saiyan 2 electro sparks), and I'm not okay with that. The studio of one popular work should not be ripping off another popular work when either one can stand perfectly well on it's own. For shame.

                                                                                  The sparks were the same used for the Haoshoku's clash. It wasn't totally out of place.

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                                                                                    I always forget I'm not allowed to speak my mind here cause i read the Manga and don't like that they change the story.

                                                                                    OMG BEST EP EVAR!!!111 10/10 BEST ENDING OMGOMGOMGOMGG!
                                                                                    is that better?

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                                                                                      @goty:

                                                                                      Ask an anime viewer, after watching this episode, to read the manga chapter and say what was the best finisher. I seriously doubt many would chose the manga one, after seeing this first.

                                                                                      Things don't need to look exactly the same. Whatever works in manga format doesn't always translate well to animation if it's just copy and paste. And some readers want the anime scenes to go down exactly the same way they took it. Of course that'll rarely happen.

                                                                                      The sparks were the same used for the Haoshoku's clash. It wasn't totally out of place.

                                                                                      Lol, this might be true, but that doesn't mean I have my reservations about those either. Toei's choices on how to represent haki, which is mostly invisible in the manga, is questionable.

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                                                                                        King Kong Gun requiring Luffy to put in a little more effort didn't bother me at all since it was made abundantly clear that he was trying to punch above his weight class with Doflamingo and if it weren't for all the help he received (not to mention your standard main character plot armor) he would've lost. It's a far cry from friggin' Caesar pulling the same stunt but worse.

                                                                                        My only beef with that sequence was that they didn't cook up a new piece of music for the finisher. At first I thought it was going to be "I Will Surpass You!" as well and went "aw man but they already used that for Lucci and Crocodile in Movie 8" so I'm glad they went with the more-fitting "The Final Battle - Gigant Thor Axe" but I think this is the third time it's been used in this capacity, and maybe fourth overall. What I'm saying is, your main composer is one of the biggest names in the anime music industry, don't be afraid to use him!

                                                                                        Anyway, the finisher itself was animated superbly (I think this is Tomita's first finishing move) though there were some very jarring and cheap looking stills sprinkled throughout the episode in between the higher-quality stuff, which I just has been representative of the sine wave that was this arc's production values. Could've been a little better, could've been a lot worse, so overall I think I'm happy with what we got.

                                                                                        But please, next time you throw in stills into an otherwise good-quality episode, at least try to frame them in an interesting way.

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                                                                                          It would've been great if it had kept up the insane quality it had during most of Doffy's assault on Luffy. Sadly, King Kong Gun was disgusting and that made this episode extremely bitter sweet for me. Props to Toei for doing Doffy a bit of final justice though.

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                                                                                            ****** you Toshinori Fukazawa, you took a cool theme and made it bad. **** you in your mansion with your assumingly millions of dollars made from directing anime. Whoever you are. I don't really care that much.**

                                                                                            These are the most stupid words I've ever heard. If an anime director in Japan can earn 60,000 dollars a year, he will already be very happy.

                                                                                            I have to obey the confidentiality obligations but what I can say is that you just know nothing about Fukazawa and the whole anime staff.

                                                                                            If you want to say "Fuck you Fukazawa", go fuck yourself.

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                                                                                            One day Oda himself will tell some of you guys how nearsighted you are as manga fundamentalists.

                                                                                            Let's just wait and see:)

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                                                                                              The finisher could definitely have been better… But it was less stupid than the Caesar pushing contest which was in turn less stupid than the abomination that was Super Saiyan Hody (No, I will never get over that episode), so... progress? At least the impact was handled pretty well, even if it took way too long for them to get to it.

                                                                                              Yeah, agree there. Compared to those two instances, this was less annoying than a great deal. My main issue with the "struggling" here is that there really shouldn't be any sort of prolonged momentum in the punch given that the Kong moves are very rapid piston-like shots of massive force. If Doffy stopped it cold like he did here, it should have failed or even backfired on Luffy. Not a big deal but notable.

                                                                                              Though in all fairness there was not much else they could have done to prolong it given that Gyats had already promised a single punch KO last episode.

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                                                                                                what a bunch of haters here,
                                                                                                i seem to be one of the few that actually liked this episode.

                                                                                                The biggest issue people have is that in the manga, Luffy's finishers are supposed to be overwhelming to his opponent. King Kong Gun was such a beast that it broke through DD's toughest defense without a hitch and KO'd him without missing a beat. Instead, it made the attack seem WAY weaker than it should've been

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                                                                                                  Put me in the camp of not liking the finish to the fight, especially since during the entire G4 Luffy vs Doflamingo fight all of Luffy's attacks that landed (even when blocked) absolutely wrecked Doflamingo. Yet the finishing blow he struggles with.

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                                                                                                    The biggest issue people have is that in the manga, Luffy's finishers are supposed to be overwhelming to his opponent. King Kong Gun was such a beast that it broke through DD's toughest defense without a hitch and KO'd him without missing a beat. Instead, it made the attack seem WAY weaker than it should've been

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                                                                                                    Put me in the camp of not liking the finish to the fight, especially since during the entire G4 Luffy vs Doflamingo fight all of Luffy's attacks that landed (even when blocked) absolutely wrecked Doflamingo. Yet the finishing blow he struggles with.

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                                                                                                      I like the second one, i'd probably take out the rocket booster leg effect and go straight to the punch as is depicted in your first video though.

                                                                                                      the second one is closer to the manga than first. there was resistance in the manga that was implied by the effect shown at impact of kkg and god thread. plus the manga never shows everything if the anime did precisely what the manga showed then that would be crappy. toei is bad sometimes, many times, most times but apart from holding the tug of war too long, it was not as bad as many keep suggesting. still might have been better if was like your second video with strings snapping or something or doffy hand or finger cracking before his head gets wacked.

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                                                                                                        @Sun_Chopper:

                                                                                                        One day Oda himself will tell some of you guys how nearsighted you are as manga fundamentalists.

                                                                                                        Let's just wait and see:)

                                                                                                        I'd love to know how much input Oda has with the anime staff (Pandaman, where art thou?). I appreciate all the hard work put into the anime, especially in the Philippines where they don't get paid enough.

                                                                                                        Biggest issue with the anime is something they can't really overcome (I think it's censorship) which is the impact scars/tears in clothing from each attack, look at Gatz after being impaled!

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