Burgess was probably just a weaker version of jozu. In fact he was sos weak he needed to have a machine attached to his shoulder for a power up. Just bc you are part is a strong crew doesn't mean you are strong. Anyone reading this manga should know that. Sabo was fighting evenly with Fuji(though I don't think either of them really tried. Of course some of you will say Fuji bringing down a meteor is him trying his best just like with the birdcage), and burgess was clearly not at that level. It seems like just bc people think BB will be the final boss they thought he would be strong, but burgess could easily be killed before that trying to steal someone's fruit he has no chance against(like sabo). He could gain a power up before the final battle too but as of rn Sanji could kick his ass
Chapter 792: Kneeling Down
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@Al!naJames:
I'm just… this chapter really made me speechless and made me question my life choices of reading this comic for the last 10 years and investing so much of my time and money and emotion into it.
I can't even get mad at Burgess for being SO pathetic and overall a terrible character or at Sabo for being the case of his misfortunes, I just feel sad and somewhat disgusted in general.
I don't see this as much of a problem. In Banaro Island Blackbeard considered that even his entire crew put together was no match for Ace. Now we have a guy that we have to assume grew at around the same pace as Ace, a guy who could hold his own against an admiral two years ago. Sabo should be a monster. He can stand against an admiral and hold his ground, even though he is clearly outclassed when doing so.
What I'm saying is Burgess could have been a bigger challenge, sure, but story-wise it makes sense that Sabo is on a league above him. Maybe the story is setting up Burgess for growth, and eventually this moment will have it's payoff.
What I'm seeing Oda do lately is sacrifice the present of his manga to set up a billion things without explanation. He sets up confusing and often frustrating character arcs that may pay off much much later because his manga's longevity is ensured. I think that when looking back all the character elements we detest will be reedemed. Fujitora is already paying off. Rebecca might yet redeem herself, and this arc may yet as well.
There seems to be a severe lack of patience in the forums. Whatever that means.
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The race to become the pirate king is different than the revolutionaries goal. The revolutionaries are not competing with super strong guys just for power or fame. The revolutionaries have a political agenda and work mostly with sabotage.
Is it? You need to find a certain island and a certain tresure to become pirate king. There's no ' fight others strong pirates and become the stronges one' in the definition.
Same can be said about Revolutionaries. They likely won't take down WG( that has 4 admirals under their command and so many other strong people) just with sabotage.
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Was Sabo suddenly put down dendenmushi because his personality or jb did something
can't Burgess atleast go into fucking supersain full hacki mode shit he is a yonko ship commanderWell his haki is shit compared to Sabo's, we saw some instances proving that… so even if he did full body haki imbuement (assuming he could), he would get the same treatment like Pica w/ Zoro and Vergo w/ Law, and then everyone will REALLY complain about the dehyping of Burgess.
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Well his haki is shit compared to Sabo's, we saw some instances proving that… so even if he did full body haki imbuement (assuming he could), he would get the same treatment like Pica w/ Zoro and Vergo w/ Law, and then everyone will REALLY complain about the dehyping of Burgess.
Vergo and Pica got cut but Burgess could do this to atleast protect himself from fire
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I wonder why Burgess was even in Dressrosa, unless he actually goes home with some Devil Fruits, he just went there, delivered a very mediocre showing and got beaten - same thing with Sabo, really, kinda feels like he didn't have to be there
Burgess was running around, apparently doing nothing but wait for a chance to ambush Luffy, so he didn't matter as an additional antagonistic force in the Birdcage, since he removed himself from the action anyway for several dozen chapters
And Sabo was there so he could stall Burgess…and Fujitora at some point
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I don't think him being a giant asshole is the commotion, I mean we all kinda expect it from anyone that follows Teach.
I think it's the fact that he was a pathetic asshole that people are having problem with.Yeah. The Blackbeard Pirates have a lot of potential of being badass villians, instead Teach and Burgess just get beat up all the time. It's disappointing and breaks what was established up till now for me.
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@uniaka:
Is it? You need to find a certain island and a certain tresure to become pirate king. There's no ' fight others strong pirates and become the stronges one' in the definition.
Same can be said about Revolutionaries. They likely won't take down WG( that has 4 admirals under their command and so many other strong people) just with sabotage.
I see what you did there. SABOTAGE.
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I don't think him being a giant asshole is the commotion, I mean we all kinda expect it from anyone that follows Teach.
I think it's the fact that he was a pathetic asshole that people are having problem with.Pathetic is part of the BB pirates dictionary same as the word asshole.
BB and his crew looked pathetic when Magellan 1 shot them.
BB looked pathetic when he has crying from WB attack or from Ace's attacks? The part where he defeated Ace was off panel wasn't it? Most of the time he was crying from his attacks.
BB and his full new crew run away from Akainu like the wind, even if they skipped leg day, that was pathetic.
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Yeah. The Blackbeard Pirates have a lot of potential of being badass villians, instead Teach and Burgess just get beat up all the time. It's disappointing and breaks what was established up till now for me.
Maybe oda is going complete opposite with Blackbeard, instead of hype him up like Doflamingo only to disappoint certain people, he would make him and his crew look crap and then go boom!
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Yeah. The Blackbeard Pirates have a lot of potential of being badass villians, instead Teach and Burgess just get beat up all the time. It's disappointing and breaks what was established up till now for me.
They still do .
I like the fact that we can see one of the final villains get there ass kick .
Teach got beat in the war but still gain another DF and became a yonko later on .
Sure burgess get wreck but he can get stronger later on .They are very different from all the other villains and antagonist in the manga.
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You really can't say that since we don't have much info on the revolutionaries.
So you can't usr the argument "Sabo needs to be thaaat strong" anymore since we really don't know much about the revolutionaries…
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Damnit guys, don't expect Burgess being admiral or revolutionary commander level. Even the Whitebeard's commanders got owned by admirals. And no, I am not saying that Sabo is admiral level, but its close.
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Vergo and Pica got cut but Burgess could do this to atleast protect himself from fire
I wasn't talking about Burgess literally getting cut like the others did, I was just referring to the situation where a full body haki imbued user got overwhelmed by someone using a small amount of haki for their attack in comparison.
TBH, it would be even worse if burgess got defeated by Sabo's pipe or a blunt force strike with full body haki and sabo not needing to do so as well.(again, thats if they both can achieve this feat)
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The chapter was really good but I can't believe we haven't gotten a Law Doflamingo resolution yet. The part with Sabo was really touching, though I'm surprised he would let a BB member go. At least before he started talking smack.
I really hope the BB pirates don't end up being the final villains. The biggest losers in any major shonen manga as final villains if it ends up happening.
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I confess I personally just don't see the appeal of Burgess. Not my cup of tea, y'know?
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@uniaka:
Pathetic is part of the BB pirates dictionary same as the word asshole.
BB and his crew looked pathetic when Magellan 1 shot them.
BB looked pathetic when he has crying from WB attack or from Ace's attacks? The part where he defeated Ace was off panel wasn't it? Most of the time he was crying from his attacks.
BB and his full new crew run away from Akainu like the wind, even if they skipped leg day, that was pathetic.
While that is true, in all those cases Teach did something to redeem it.
Breaking out of Impel Down, Killing WB, Running away but then becoming Yonkou, etc.
He always somehow comes out top after making a fool of himself.Burgess doesn't really have a chance of doing so right now, the fight pretty much ended here.
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So you can't usr the argument "Sabo needs to be thaaat strong" anymore since we really don't know much about the revolutionaries…
That is true but we are talking about a manga that has had revolutions in it and they were all done by force.
We also seen in robin cover story that they use force and some members are also strong Ivan, kuma .
Look at the group they are fighting against also show you something .
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@uniaka:
They will at least be the final Pirate villains. But yes, I'm on the Akainu actual final villain here, as much as people here don't like it.
There's loads of options out there. I remember there was someone here a year or so ago calling people idiots for thinking that Blackbeard wouldn't be the final villain, the arrogance was hysterical. Gorosei are also an option. There's also about 10-15 years left of One Piece, and the villain may be someone we haven't even met yet. Not discounting BB as one of the main options, but I can't take him seriously in the future no matter how strong he gets considering how much he and his team crew have gotten their asses beaten throughout the story.
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Damnit guys, don't expect Burgess being admiral or revolutionary commander level. Even the Whitebeard's commanders got owned by admirals. And no, I am not saying that Sabo is admiral level, but its close.
I believe Marco and Jozu got owned due to distraction. They were pretty much equal in each of their confrontations until WB started straining himself and Akainu started exploiting this flaw.
Probably reiterating something someone else has said a couple hundred times already, but BB crew is like SH crew as they are both constantly growing so them getting their ass kicked and even fodderized is normal as I would not enjoy it if Burgess demolished every opponent he came across atm. ( IMO, I personally thought him defeating all those gladiators in that quick time was impressive, this feat is is a decent level to be by in this point of the story..< Looking strong with a lot of potential to grow exponentially more powerful >)
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I think I posted a version of this before but: I think a lot of people are able to see the bigger picture, but Oda is still able to troll/work the portion of the audience that seems to organize everything by perceived power level. I just don't see the end of things being the Strawhats walking through rooms ranked on who the progressively stronger enemies are.
Even if we overlook the thematic importance and relevance of BB for as long as it has been there, and that alone is somewhat of a silly thing to do, I really don't understand the necessity for them to be these juggernauts knocking everyone over. Their vulnerability and moments of failure thus far have been so comically exaggerated and frequent that it is kind of difficult to not see the purpose behind it. Since Burgess is relevant to the discussion, I'll use a pro-wrestling term–their "heat", or animosity/reader-reaction is pretty much rooted in how underhanded, sniveling, and unsavory they are. I think Oda referred to them as the most piratey crew in the series, and there is a reason they are written that way. Outside of all the fate and let the chips fall where they may stuff, they are on the same journey as Luffy and have taken shortcuts to get to a very high position in the New World. They are supposed to be formidable, but ultimately unworthy of that position in terms of character and hard work. Both Shanks and Jinbei have observed that their is some unknown danger in them, and shouldn't be taken lightly. Everytime we see them be as clumsy and foolish, we are supposed to be distracted from that. At some point, Oda will have to pull some triggers and give us insight regarding that (the ideal way would have been Burgess F5ing Sabo into the dirt), but there's clearly a deliberate build going on. It can be a little frustrating in real time, but it's working for me.
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Being honest, I think there will be more rant if Burgess done more than he did it in this arc.
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While that is true, in all those cases Teach did something to redeem it.
Breaking out of Impel Down, Killing WB, Running away but then becoming Yonkou, etc.
He always somehow comes out top after making a fool of himself.Burgess doesn't really have a chance of doing so right now, the fight pretty much ended here.
If he makes up for this it'll probably be a while before we're going to see it.I imagine Burgess will at least get some DF (either he got one from the palace) or maybe there's some DF user around that none will notice if Burgess takes him.
There has to be more to Burgess's role in this arc other then fail to get something and get defeated.
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The difference between you and me is that i see someone as koala and hack making areally really good job without being admiral level.
They don't fight super strong opponents cause that's not whatthey're aiming for.And what should happen if they require a plan B to complete a mission? Say, having to knock out a heavily guarded Sugar? I think it's been stated that a lot of revs were sent to Dressrosa in the past but they mysteriously disappeared, so their minions couldn't get the job done because they were weak they couldn't escape to report back. So, yes strength is needed on high priority missions.
The marines didn't know he was a rev. So he managed to shut up and act as a normal pirate.
So you're actually praising one of the top skills someone needs for infiltration.The race to become the pirate king is different than the revolutionaries goal. The revolutionaries are not competing with super strong guys just for power or fame. The revolutionaries have a political agenda and work mostly with sabotage.
The fodderization of Burgess is bad for the BB yonkou crew. It's legitimate to criticize that.Sabo's original dream was to become a pirate, remember? A dream he's held onto before he set sail the first time so the pirate-like qualities he shares with his brothers aren't completely unfounded. All in all I get where you're coming from but after all is said and done what change can they bring about with their ultimate goal if they can't defeat the top tiers of the WG? As Doffy once said the strongest/victors of war decide what justice is and what is good and evil. Making the whole world turn against you won't do jack shit as long as the enemies can rule over them with brute force. So at some point you would think they'd have to be defeated in combat for there to be true change, or can sneaking around achieve that all on its own? And I still would like to know why Kuma is as strong as he is if he clearly doesn't need to be that strong, oh wait what was that about a plan B I mentioned earlier…
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@Steven:
I think I posted a version of this before but: I think a lot of people are able to see the bigger picture, but Oda is still able to troll/work the portion of the audience that seems to organize everything by perceived power level. I just don't see the end of things being the Strawhats walking through rooms ranked on who the progressively stronger enemies are.
Even if we overlook the thematic importance and relevance of BB for as long as it has been there, and that alone is somewhat of a silly thing to do, I really don't understand the necessity for them to be these juggernauts knocking everyone over. Their vulnerability and moments of failure thus far have been so comically exaggerated and frequent that it is kind of difficult to not see the purpose behind it. Since Burgess is relevant to the discussion, I'll use a pro-wrestling term–their "heat", or animosity/reader-reaction is pretty much rooted in how underhanded, sniveling, and unsavory they are. I think Oda referred to them as the most piratey crew in the series, and there is a reason they are written that way. Outside of all the fate and let the chips fall where they may stuff, they are on the same journey as Luffy and have taken shortcuts to get to a very high position in the New World. They are supposed to be formidable, but ultimately unworthy of that position in terms of character and hard work. Both Shanks and Jinbei have observed that their is some unknown danger in them, and shouldn't be taken lightly. Everytime we see them be as clumsy and foolish, we are supposed to be distracted from that. At some point, Oda will have to pull some triggers and give us insight regarding that (the ideal way would have been Burgess F5ing Sabo into the dirt), but there's clearly a deliberate build going on. It can be a little frustrating in real time, but it's working for me.
great post, thanks
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Haha, I like Koala x Sabo so much.
Am I the only who thinks something looks a bit off with Doflamingo on this panel?
http://i.imgur.com/Z6lKHtm.pngYes, it almost looks like they bandaged his face.
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I like that the final villains are beatable, unpredictable, bad with plans, and flawed in general. (They are like mirror Strawhats after all…) It makes OP drastically different from say, Naruto or Bleach or Shaman King with their omnipotent untouchable villains that planned every last detail of the hero's life decades ago.
The randomness and unpredictablility is nice... and the series ain't over yet. These guys still have 10-15 years to grow (and we haven't seen most of them do anything in action yet) as do the Strawhats. The strength shown here won't be their strength at the end.
As for Sabo "needlessly" returning so soon, I dunno. WHile those of us that study the series closely knew hew asnt dead and picked up on the teacups thing, he'd been "dead" for several years already. Its unfair to the younger less observant members of the audience to hold that card in check for as much as a decade. Plus, Oda-san wanted to ease Luffy of the sadness of losing Ace (and Sabo himself) after all this time. Its similar to when he unveiled the mini-Merry at Thriller Bark just a few months after Merry's death. It's Oda-san helping the audience along.
I hope this chapter finally makes people stop harping on Fujitora... since he's now done exactly what we've been saying he'd do all along. Make it very clear, and very public, with zero chance f a cover up, that the warlord system is messed up and that the government did nothing to stop this. He would have stepped in more personally had things gotten any more desperate or if lives were about to be lost, but he was mostly holding back to let Luffy do what Luffy does... as he has with so many warlords on record already. (He's been known to beat Croc, Moria, and Buggy... and officially has credit for beating Hancock in a bear hug... as well as allying with Jinbe and Law... and surviving Kuma twice, and all the admirals... he had a track record.)
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There should be a difference. But with what we saw from sabo it's not clear if the gap is really that big. I mean Burgess got fried and it shouldn't have been the case so…. what do we know?
Sabo at least had his hands full with Isshou, seeming to struggle as soon as he got got serious.
So I'd still assume that there's a fair gap between Sabo and Sakazuki.
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
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Is it just me or that cover is atrotious? Not only it totally looks like they are underwater, Mansherry is crying looking at something that is actually behind her!
Bad part aside, the chapter made me excited for what is to come for the plot in the following chapters. And the part with Sabo and Burgess was pretty cool, I guess all the BB Crew are too dickish for their own good (and love them for that).
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Fujitora kneeling down is given a lot more weight given his gravity fruit. This was the most creative way Oda has taken advantage of a devil fruit power in a while. Ultimate kudos.
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@Steven:
I think I posted a version of this before but: I think a lot of people are able to see the bigger picture, but Oda is still able to troll/work the portion of the audience that seems to organize everything by perceived power level. I just don't see the end of things being the Strawhats walking through rooms ranked on who the progressively stronger enemies are.
Even if we overlook the thematic importance and relevance of BB for as long as it has been there, and that alone is somewhat of a silly thing to do, I really don't understand the necessity for them to be these juggernauts knocking everyone over. Their vulnerability and moments of failure thus far have been so comically exaggerated and frequent that it is kind of difficult to not see the purpose behind it. Since Burgess is relevant to the discussion, I'll use a pro-wrestling term–their "heat", or animosity/reader-reaction is pretty much rooted in how underhanded, sniveling, and unsavory they are. I think Oda referred to them as the most piratey crew in the series, and there is a reason they are written that way. Outside of all the fate and let the chips fall where they may stuff, they are on the same journey as Luffy and have taken shortcuts to get to a very high position in the New World. They are supposed to be formidable, but ultimately unworthy of that position in terms of character and hard work. Both Shanks and Jinbei have observed that their is some unknown danger in them, and shouldn't be taken lightly. Everytime we see them be as clumsy and foolish, we are supposed to be distracted from that. At some point, Oda will have to pull some triggers and give us insight regarding that (the ideal way would have been Burgess F5ing Sabo into the dirt), but there's clearly a deliberate build going on. It can be a little frustrating in real time, but it's working for me.
This forum lacks people like you. Nice post.
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Yup, barely understood a word of that translation. Loved the part with Issho, though. The guy's moving up in the ranks of my favorite characters, that's for sure.
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some of the worst translating ever. fuck mangapanda
Agreed. This one was almost incomprehensible.
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Sabo at least had his hands full with Isshou, seeming to struggle as soon as he got got serious.
So I'd still assume that there's a fair gap between Sabo and Sakazuki.
How did it look like he was struggling ?
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And holy crap, people weren't joking about the translation.
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@Steven:
And holy crap, people weren't joking about the translation.
i always go there to look at images and just use the summaries provided by ap.
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I like that the final villains are beatable, unpredictable, bad with plans, and flawed in general. (They are like mirror Strawhats after all…) It makes OP drastically different from say, Naruto or Bleach or Shaman King with their omnipotent untouchable villains that planned every last detail of the hero's life decades ago.
The randomness and unpredictablility is nice... and the series ain't over yet. These guys still have 10-15 years to grow (and we haven't seen most of them do anything in action yet) as do the Strawhats. The strength shown here won't be their strength at the end.
As for Sabo "needlessly" returning so soon, I dunno. WHile those of us that study the series closely knew hew asnt dead and picked up on the teacups thing, he'd been "dead" for several years already. Its unfair to the younger less observant members of the audience to hold that card in check for as much as a decade. Plus, Oda-san wanted to ease Luffy of the sadness of losing Ace (and Sabo himself) after all this time. Its similar to when he unveiled the mini-Merry at Thriller Bark just a few months after Merry's death. It's Oda-san helping the audience along.
I hope this chapter finally makes people stop harping on Fujitora... since he's now done exactly what we've been saying he'd do all along. Make it very clear, and very public, with zero chance f a cover up, that the warlord system is messed up and that the government did nothing to stop this. He would have stepped in more personally had things gotten any more desperate or if lives were about to be lost, but he was mostly holding back to let Luffy do what Luffy does... as he has with so many warlords on record already. (He's been known to beat Croc, Moria, and Buggy... and officially has credit for beating Hancock in a bear hug... as well as allying with Jinbe and Law... and surviving Kuma twice, and all the admirals... he had a track record.)
@Steven:
I think I posted a version of this before but: I think a lot of people are able to see the bigger picture, but Oda is still able to troll/work the portion of the audience that seems to organize everything by perceived power level. I just don't see the end of things being the Strawhats walking through rooms ranked on who the progressively stronger enemies are.
Even if we overlook the thematic importance and relevance of BB for as long as it has been there, and that alone is somewhat of a silly thing to do, I really don't understand the necessity for them to be these juggernauts knocking everyone over. Their vulnerability and moments of failure thus far have been so comically exaggerated and frequent that it is kind of difficult to not see the purpose behind it. Since Burgess is relevant to the discussion, I'll use a pro-wrestling term–their "heat", or animosity/reader-reaction is pretty much rooted in how underhanded, sniveling, and unsavory they are. I think Oda referred to them as the most piratey crew in the series, and there is a reason they are written that way. Outside of all the fate and let the chips fall where they may stuff, they are on the same journey as Luffy and have taken shortcuts to get to a very high position in the New World. They are supposed to be formidable, but ultimately unworthy of that position in terms of character and hard work. Both Shanks and Jinbei have observed that their is some unknown danger in them, and shouldn't be taken lightly. Everytime we see them be as clumsy and foolish, we are supposed to be distracted from that. At some point, Oda will have to pull some triggers and give us insight regarding that (the ideal way would have been Burgess F5ing Sabo into the dirt), but there's clearly a deliberate build going on. It can be a little frustrating in real time, but it's working for me.
I think these posts are very accurate and nail down how Oda wants to write the Blackbeard pirates, and the reason why they're so great as an (main) antagonist crew.
However.
Burgess still just feels lame in this arc. He lacks impact. I think the problem in this particular case is that we almost only got to see the pathetic, and not the other side of things. You can justify that by saying his opponent was Sabo, who's simply a bit out of his league, and reasonably so. But the fact still remains that it leaves Burgess without much of an "impact".
Personally, I blame it on the much-detested off-paneling. From a "fight perspective" Burgess still lasted 10 minutes and held Sabo's full attention as per his own admittance. If we'd actually gotten to see some of that it would have been apparent that Burgess isn't so pathetic, because he has obviously been able to endure many hits and keep Sabo busy with his own offensive strength. If Oda had actually shown some of it he could've given us some nifty fight choreography that highlights Burgess' strengths and makes him look more respectable, even whilst in the end getting beat down. He's done it before, we know he's capable of it. But we didn't get to see it, and so all we actually saw was Burgess first talking big and acting cocky, and then we skip straight to him lying on the ground all beat up. And so he just feels lame and pathetic. What happened wasn't bad; the way it was shown was.
In other words, it's more of another symptom of the Dressrosa disease than a problem with the character itself. I'm not the least bit concerned for the Blackbeard pirates because of this, but I feel that it was, like so much in the arc, a messily handled situation that could've been a lot more satisfying to read than it was.
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@NER:
I wonder what Akainu will think of this. I don't think he will mind it all that much. He cared only for results and actions. How people view things matters not. Also he did show great dislike for the warlords before, no?
He won't mind this, but the fact that Fuji didn't capture straw hat and law after that.
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MangaStream is out.
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Bartolomeo giving the SH's a ride to Zou, would definitely make my day.
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Lackluster finish to a lackluster arc. Would've mattered more if I cared more about the kingdom and King Riku.
Hopefully we get reactions to the news next chapter. Wonder what that list Sabo was going on was about?
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Bartolomeo giving the SH's a ride to Zou, would definitely make my day.
"Mugiwara-senpai! Let me give you a ride to Zou!
"No Mugiwara, let me repay my debt by letting you ride in my beautiful ship"
"Nyahoho! Nonsense, the Happo Navy is the most safe way to take you guys to Zou."
"It will be us that will escort God to Zou!"
"No. It will be me!"
"Me!"
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Maybe i'm wrong but maybe now Blackbeard will go after the Revolutionnarys as a vengeance for what Sabo did to Burguess and showing the death of a Revolutionnary will create a "helpful dark alliance" between Blackbeard and the government like "if you help us destroy the Revolutionnarys we will give you power in exchange".
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Nice. MS translation is out, much better.
Sabo really fucked up Burgess, he really fucked him up big time. But since the world won't be any wiser about it, Burgess' rep is intact…..
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Maybe i'm wrong but maybe now Blackbeard will go after the Revolutionnarys as a vengeance for what Sabo did to Burguess and showing the death of a Revolutionnary will create a "helpful dark alliance" between Blackbeard and the government like "if you help us destroy the Revolutionnarys we will give you power in exchange".
he doesn't seem to be that kinda person…....Plus Burgess is alive.....not dead....
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That was a good chapter!
I like that a personality flaw of Sabo's was shown here. He completely neglected picking up the Denden Mushi, being pretty easily provoked by Burgess. I also like Fujitora just giving it all out. I feel like he did have a purpose with having Luffy defeat Doflamingo. He could've interfered very easily, but this really gives me a feeling it was delibrate to give Luffy the defeat of Doflamingo. If last chapter and this chapter would've been combined, I feel like it would've made for a really good conclusion!
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Sabo is a top lieutenant for the Revolutionary army and Burgess is a top lieutenant for The Blackbeard Pirates.
So doesn't Burgess being apparently this sub-par in terms of strength make The Blackbeards look pathetic?
There's a difference between being beaten and being decimated by an opponent.
Sabo never looked like he was in the slightest bit of danger when he was fighting Burgess.
He doesn't just look like he's weaker than Sabo, he looked completely outclassed.
Which, at this point in the story, for a guy who's gonna be one of the final villains in the series, seriously diminishes him and his credibility.
Regardless of who's marginally stronger than whoever else in the crew, none of the commanders (especially one who's specialty is fighting) should be getting trounced like this, this late in the game.
I don't think so, I doubt he would beat BB this easy, so Nami getting her butt kicked by Jora makes Luffy or Zoro look weak when they can just wipe the floor with her? I don't this affects the credibility of anyone in BB crew, not even Burgess, hes not losing to fodder.
With that I can agree they could have made him land a blow or two but it seems most of the battle happened off screen, Oda didn't want to waste much time with it, I though it would even stay unresolved and thats what I would have prefered but it seems Oda wanted to estabilish Sabo as a monster strenght wise and if that was his intention getting the upper hand against a BB crew commander is a good way to do it.
About that like I said yeah its earlier and maybe it takes some hype from whoever Burgess is going to fight from the SHs in the future but Burgess was going to get trounced by Ace pre timeskip and no one complained about it at the time.
I hope you have a life outside Of One Piece? Didn't know Burgess was your savior, he shares the same birthday as Jesus but damn that reaction to this chapter makes me question whether I should be on a forum like this. I hope you don't hurt yourself from this epiphany of yours?
Go to her threads, she has been a huge BB crew fan for years, thats why she had that reaction, she is also probably still annoyed Shiraoshi didn't join lol.
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But seriously people don't give a shit about story anymore? is it really just fights fights fights? I though Fujitora moment was fucking awesome, instead I just see people saying it was boring and nothing happened...last week I agreed with people even though the chapter we got last week is nothing new but Dressrosa has dragged so much that people are tired but cmon this week was a pretty good chapter.
Seems you guys would only be happy if Kaidou appeared or something.
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We don't know which position in the BB pirates' "hierarchy" Burgess occupies yet. You could say him being the First Fleet Commander indicates he should be in the top 3, but we don't know what those positions are based on. Could be seniority for all we know and the entire original crew will be the 1th, 2nd, 3rd and 4th Fleet Commanders. With Shiryuu being BB's personal send-him-out-to-get-shit-done man. Like Darth Vader.
Plus, it's important to note that Sabo ate a powerful Logia fruit in this arc and Burgess is still at the strength he was when he entered. If this was Sabo before the Mera Mera or Burgess also had a powerful Devil Fruit it might have been a bit different.
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S**t is gonna hit the fan next chapter. Can't wait for the "everyone reacts to latest Luffy chaos" montage.
