If Luffy knew this technique all along, why didn't he immediately use it at Fishman Island?
He didn't need it at Fishman Island.
If Luffy knew this technique all along, why didn't he immediately use it at Fishman Island?
He didn't need it at Fishman Island.
I am seriously not understanding the CoA haki in some circumstances… So essentially, if you have a bellamy style compression attack w/ haki imbued , you can break nearly anyone's own haki defense regardless their experience ?
Belllamy overpowered luffy's haki with his (spring death knock I believe?)
And luffy completely shat on Doflamingo with his own version of this same attack albeit faster.
I don't think Luffy broke Doffy's "haki defense" as such, hell there isn't even any indication of Doffy using haki to defend at all.
The CoA used during Gear 4th allows Luffy to increase his elasticity it seems, allowing him to use incredibly powerful, spring-like attacks.
It wasn't a clash of haki that Doffy lost, he was just hit by an insanely powerful attack.
I don't think Luffy broke Doffy's "haki defense" as such, hell there isn't even any indication of Doffy using haki to defend at all.
The CoA used during Gear 4th allows Luffy to increase his elasticity it seems, allowing him to use incredibly powerful, spring-like attacks.
It wasn't a clash of haki that Doffy lost, he was just hit by an insanely powerful attack.
Ah, I see what you are saying.
I just assumed he was using haki because his face (especially when he got hit by Rhino Schneider) is sorta similar in visual to the haki infused parts we see the CoA users use.
…Or.. it was probably just shading. lel
Ah, I see what you are saying.
I just assumed he was using haki because his face (especially when he got hit by Rhino Schneider) is sorta similar in visual to the haki infused parts we see the CoA users use.
…Or.. it was probably just shading. lel
I think he did, that was not just shading. But if you could beat anyone just because your haki is better, most fights from now on would be quite boring. But like RobZilla wrote, it was just a strong attack, which would've had a much bigger impact had he not used haki to defend himself.
Oh wait, so Doffy wasn't using hardening to defend from both Kong Gun and the other one? I could have sworn it looked like his arms and face were hardened…
Oh wait, so Doffy wasn't using hardening to defend from both Kong Gun and the other one? I could have sworn it looked like his arms and face were hardened…
He was defending from the leg kick, you can see part of his face black.
I was actually thinking of something akin to the way Ripley uses the walker thing at the end of Aliens, only made of strings lol
Lol, I must admit, I'd like that to happen. If only to see Dofla uncomfortable after witnessing Luffy's reaction.
Theoretically there is no reason Doffy shouldn't have used haki to defend himself from Kong gun. That attack was a huge one imbued with coa. I would't expect doffy to tank Kong gun with only his body otherwise it makes Kong gun a bit weak. It would help a lot if oda gets consistent with his haki drawing…
Edit: I'd like to comment on the birdcage shrinking problem discussed a ew pages ago. I want to only add that the birdcage not instantly slicing everything in the way even loose rubble doesn't change the situation for anyone inside. It doesn't even diminish fujis powers as a dropping meteor and loose rubble are 2 entirely different things. It can't be 100% explained physically but i fail to see what difference it makes. I expect the birdcage to slice everything once it got small enough.
Theoretically there is no reason Doffy shouldn't have used haki to defend himself from Kong gun. That attack was a huge one imbued with coa. I would't expect doffy to tank Kong gun with only his body otherwise it makes Kong gun a bit weak. It would help a lot if oda gets consistent with his haki drawing…
he did use haki to defend against kong gun
Doffy did defend against the attacks with haki, but defending with haki doesn't mean that he can't take damage even Luffy didn't "break" it.
Doffy did use haki for defending himself. Only exception may be the last panel in this chapter
Doffy, after being hit by Kong Gun, without haki:
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Doffy, coating his arms with haki (notice the blackness on his hands):
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Left side of Doffy's face and neck are coated with haki:
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This might be the only scene in this chapter, where Doffy is not protecting himself with haki (due to perspective it is not possible to reach certain conclusions):
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Conclusion: Doffy used haki to protected himself from gear fourth attacks of Luffy. (Maybe) Except the last panel of the chapter.
Yeah, it's evident that Dofla's knuckle is black when he's being hit by Kong. Maybe Oda forgot to make the sleeve of his shirt black or has changed his mind about the way he shows it (like, the skin under it is black, but not the shirt itself). Or he'll fix it in the volume release.
Culverin punch surprised Dofla so it would make sense he was unprotected. Or he made part of his face black again. We can't even see right side of his gead.
All I'm hoping for is that Doflamingo is defeated before the next break.
At this point it should be clear that they both use CoA. If DD can tank Gear 4 attacks without CoA, then luffy needs to bring 2 more gears in this fight to win lol.
It's like the guys that used to think DD din't block Sanji's kick with CoA coat, the feather coat alone was enough lol.
First time fighting for Nr is in 487, just like in G4 784.
487 is part of Brook's flashback, dude. You know how easy it is to double check this on the internet, right? 478 is the first time Nightmare Luffy fights. Which would have been 874.
What's "strange" in this chapter is two things in the Colorspread:
1-Zoro shirt. Where we can see "Ultimo" and "Mejor"
2- The Date in the Grave December 20. 944
First one means that Zoro will "kill" the best swordman in the World? He will be the last "best" swordman?
Second, this date means that the Zombies were part of a crew during the Void Century 900 years ago? Can this date be read it page 02 chapter 449 foreshadowing that Moria will appear before this arc ends? Giving the coup de grace to Doflamingo? or in chapter 944 Zoro will fight Mihawk (because he's the one sitting in the grave)?
It's not the first time that Oda gave us this kind of messages…
I don't get this obsession with the strings from the birdcage, to me it doesn't matter, like at all.
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Amazing chapter! It was well worth the wait, I actually totally forgot the spoilers were out on Wednesday night here, too busy writing papers so I skipped straight to Big Blue's summary, and wow.
I love the new gear, it's goofy, it fits Luffy, and it's just classic One Piece.
Where are The crews of Cavendish And Bartolomeo????
I hope the anime team brings their "A" game for this chapter's adaptation. This would be too cool to watch if they did.
We need a 3D2Y 2 special.
Yeah, it's evident that Dofla's knuckle is black when he's being hit by Kong. Maybe Oda forgot to make the sleeve of his shirt black or has changed his mind about the way he shows it (like, the skin under it is black, but not the shirt itself). Or he'll fix it in the volume release.
Culverin punch surprised Dofla so it would make sense he was unprotected. Or he made part of his face black again. We can't even see right side of his gead.
No need for fixing it.
Looks like CoA hardening is strongest while used directly on skin.
Seemed like Luffy's speed took Dofla pretty much off-guard and he was still in the process of calling haki when he got hit.
To me, there's a hierarchy of how haki armors work: Doflamingo probably had no way of coating his clothes along with his arms in the short time he had to guard from the Kong Gun, so he only got some kind of partial haki defense.
The surprise Python was unexpected so he got 100% of the damage from it.
I don't really like the idea of Sanji doing a Rankyaku, just because it's gonna be just another generic slash. If he were to pick up something else from Rokushiki, I'd prefer him doing a Shigan with his legs.
16 characters of too graphical
What's "strange" in this chapter is two things in the Colorspread:
1-Zoro shirt. Where we can see "Ultimo" and "Mejor"
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The Illuminatti was revealed already, its the phrase "quien rie al último, rie mejor" which means "eating beans in the night will make an explosive waking up"
To me, there's a hierarchy of how haki armors work: Doflamingo probably had no way of coating his clothes along with his arms in the short time he had to guard from the Kong Gun, so he only got some kind of partial haki defense.
The surprise Python was unexpected so he got 100% of the damage from it.
Seems Luffy has not lost any speed in gear 4 at all. In fact his attacks may even be faster than before due to the compression.
Doula mongo will rule all!!!
Where are The crews of Cavendish And Bartolomeo????
Gambia went straight to the no-one-cares characters along with Spartan and Meadows, Farul it's much more important and a potential crewmate that's why he's still around.
Doc Q/Stronger vs Chopper/Farul
Chopper should have taken the Pegassus from Skypeia lol
luffy must have a much stronger attack, he´ll never beat doula like this
and i guess doula isn´t giving his best yet, luffy still need a major upgrade to defeat doula
Zoro Issho Kin'emon Kanjuro 4 way slash cannon combo attack.
I'm ok with Kanjuro cause he's a samurai from Wano but Issho, him same as Law doesn't really seems to be an overpowerd swordsman, Law cuts anything he wants because of his fruit and Issho well, he hasn't cut anyone or anything with it.
luffy must have a much stronger attack, he´ll never beat doula like this
and i guess doula isn´t giving his best yet, luffy still need a major upgrade to defeat doula
what makes you think this at all? I'm personally really impressed with his new attack power.
Whatr happened to Trebol anyway?
I'm ok with Kanjuro cause he's a samurai from Wano but Issho, him same as Law doesn't really seems to be an overpowerd swordsman, Law cuts anything he wants because of his fruit and Issho well, he hasn't cut anyone or anything with it.
To be fair to Lawesome, he defeated Trebol with swordmanship, at least it looks that way, since the attack cuts you like a normal swordman, not like his DF does.
He also blocked Overheat with his swordmanship.
@Myu:
The fact that Fujitora isn't stopping it or trying for that matter.
I've always wanted to hear an answer from people who keep taking about Fujitora and the birdcage, but why does he absolutely have to be the one to stop it? I've never seen a legitimate reason why everyone feels like it's his specific responsibility.
Fujitora's meteor being incapable of damaging it.
Doflamingo has sliced a meteor he brought down before. It would make no sense if mere rock could damage it.
I don't get this obsession with the strings from the birdcage, to me it doesn't matter, like at all.
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Amazing chapter! It was well worth the wait, I actually totally forgot the spoilers were out on Wednesday night here, too busy writing papers so I skipped straight to Big Blue's summary, and wow.I love the new gear, it's goofy, it fits Luffy, and it's just classic One Piece.
this. It's like a villain saying if u don't beat me a bomb will go off. It doesn't matter bc dolfa will be unconscious. All it's done so far is kill like 2 people and destroy buildings. Everyone's just going to end up in the same location for plot reasons. That's all it's done. Nbd
@uniaka:
To be fair to Lawesome, he defeated Trebol with swordmanship, at least it looks that way, since the attack cuts you like a normal swordman, not like his DF does.
He also blocked Overheat with his swordmanship.
He used his fruit to move the sowrd, the only moment on which he used sowrdsmanship alone it was when fighting mindless Doula and did pretty well but him and Issho just by having such broken df's its more than enough for them, they shouldn't be capable of doing anything similar to what Zoro does with swordsmanship alone.
The Illuminatti was revealed already, its the phrase "quien rie al último, rie mejor" which means "eating beans in the night will make an explosive waking up"
That sounds like the name of a Gintama chapter.
I've always wanted to hear an answer from people who keep taking about Fujitora and the birdcage, but why does he absolutely have to be the one to stop it? I've never seen a legitimate reason why everyone feels like it's his specific responsibility. Doflamingo has sliced a meteor he brought down before. It would make no sense if mere rock could damage it.
Your posts feels like you are Verus 2.0.
With a twist
Seriously, all he needs to do is save the day with a secret plan offscreen and he's basically pre-TS Sanji 2.0. In other words, THE BEST character.
Well luckily I still love Sanji and think that aside from the nosebleeds at the BEGINNING of fishman island he's been handled great by Oda.
And he's a different character than Sanji.
Well luckily I still love Sanji and think that aside from the nosebleeds at the BEGINNING of fishman island he's been handled great by Oda.
And he's a different character than Sanji.
Of course he's a different character, but there are similar tones between the two. For instance, the noble heart hidden beneath a fanciful exterior, the propensity for going on about fantasies, and the respect-hate relationship with a rival (Barto/Zoro). Also, Cavendish has white-knight saved both Robin and Law. That's Sanji's turf.
I still love Sanji but he's dropped from my unchallenged favorite to top 5. He's had a few great moments but the main problem is that he's the worst case of one trait, pervertedness, being expanded to become his major characterization post-timeskip.
Everyone's just going to end up in the same location for plot reasons. That's all it's done. Nbd
Yeah, it'll show that there's no doubt that Luffy beat Doflamingo, one of the strongest and influential Shichibukai. More importantly, it's the fact that his alias the "Joker" was beaten and taken out by Luffy and his crew (plus Law, I guess). It'll put the New World on notice. People just like to pick on ridiculously small details, which in the end serve practically no purpose. I don't get it, it's a manga for teenage kids. If anything should be discussed at this length about this manga it's the overall themes portrayed in the story. But harping on strings cutting/ moving debris? Bruh please. I couldn't care less.
/rant. Carry on.
Of course he's a different character, but there are similar tones between the two. For instance, the noble heart hidden beneath a fanciful exterior, the propensity for going on about fantasies, and the respect-hate relationship with a rival (Barto/Zoro). Also, Cavendish has white-knight saved both Robin and Law. That's Sanji's turf.
I still love Sanji but he's dropped from my unchallenged favorite to top 5. He's had a few great moments but the main problem is that he's the worst case of one trait, pervertedness, being expanded to become his major characterization post-timeskip.
PS
Just a joke
Seriously, all this bickering over how sharp and/or plausible the birdcage strings are (or not!) is tiresome. Most of Dofla's powers are completely off the charts anyway, as are most manga uses of any Cool Razor-sharp Wire Weapon, so personally I'd rather avoid going down that road.
To think we're only a day after the release…
/wanders away for the next 2 weeks.
Finally you've posted something that's not Darth-like! Good post
You've finally convinced me.
The Illuminatti was revealed already, its the phrase "quien rie al último, rie mejor" which means "eating beans in the night will make an explosive waking up"
Conozco esta expresión tranquilo =O If you can put all those words in Zoro's shirt i give u a medal.
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The form may have been inspired by Eneru.
http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v32/c298/5.html
The pose and body proportions are identical. Plus in universe this makes sense since Luffy recalled skypieans having mantra just before he started his training…so he'd likely recall eneru too.
Plus Sky Island callbacks this arc with bellamy
I've always wanted to hear an answer from people who keep taking about Fujitora and the birdcage, but why does he absolutely have to be the one to stop it? I've never seen a legitimate reason why everyone feels like it's his specific responsibility.
His position, his morality, his desire to protect the common folk?
Do we really need more reason?
He used his fruit to move the sowrd, the only moment on which he used sowrdsmanship alone it was when fighting mindless Doula and did pretty well but him and Issho just by having such broken df's its more than enough for them, they shouldn't be capable of doing anything similar to what Zoro does with swordsmanship alone.
It just looks to me that he only used DF to move the arm and sword, not to cut. It doesn't look like a cut from his DF.
Radio knife( his DF attack) only made Trebol unable to move for a frew minutes, it din't damage him at all.
Since Law DF power is limited by stamina, and can also shorten his life, I don't think it's bad he has good enough swordmanship to beat a seat.
A pure swordman like Zoro had no trouble to cut Pica, it was easy fight for him, beyond his 'lack of direction' that made hard for him to find his real body.