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Chapter 783: Path Blocking
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Just thinking about this why didn't Luffy use Gear 4 on Noah ?
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Pretty good chapter, the hype will be off the roof for G4. Based on Doflamingo's point about Luffy lacking power, it sounds like that will be the focus of G4. I am interested to see what Oda does with it, creativity in powers and how they're implemented is something I've always enjoyed out of him. The dialogue was the best part of the chapter, really well written towards the end. I absolutely despise that one of Luffy's two rivals has turned into his Princess Peach cheerleader, even though we saw this coming a mile away. A complete waste of a character for this arc. Just what to expect as most shonen writers pick the main characters doing every single significant thing and render everyone else to being amazed by them in generic finish to 95% of their arcs. Just a shame as Oda has such a big world. Once I see the G4 capabilities of Luffy, my interest for this fight will render to no longer giving a shit phase. I'd imagine I'm the only one in the forum who thinks however.
Very cool of Cavendish to stop when he listens to Law though. He gets it. Also my guess is this fight ends in 3 chapters, at 786.
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I have an idea on gear 4th.
I think it will be that Luffy does same thing as with gear 3rd - using air inside his body. Though not bones but muscles.
With change being that Luffy with his strength and haki keeps his usual size.
With loosening his muscles or haki in some places of his body it gets enlarged in a second.
So what I want to say is that with gear 4th Luffy can go around with his normal speed or speed of gear second while ge can enlarge any part of his body - fist, legs, head, at last moments before attacking so he does not get slowed down by his increased size yet he can use comparable force to gear third at will when he gets close to his enemy. Then possibly forcing his body back to its normal size with muscles.
Just sharing some thoughts that I had while break at work
As far as predictions go I wont even try to think out anything different as I will still very likely fail to predict what gear 4th is. As few people before me said, its very likely connected to use of muscles along with some specific stuff that only Luffy can do with his body.
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Hundreds of chapters since Doflamingo's intro and it's coming to a head.
Didn't see Trebol, guessing he's become the Blueno of Gear 4.I don't see Gear 4 having anything to do with Gear 3. All three types of haki mashed together with the speed of Gear 2, maybe. Hmmm, sounds a bit fanfic-ish. Too excited to think straight.
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I don't see why Luffy simply doesn't use the speed of gear 2 to jam his hand down Doflamingo's throat and then quickly go gear 3 and inflate that hand and burst Doflamingo's face. No need for gear 4 that way.
And on a more series note: how many bird attacks does he have? One eagle and rest hawk? (We had an eagle last chapter, right? Or mistranslation?)
Falcon Punch forshadowing? -
Just thinking about this why didn't Luffy use Gear 4 on Noah ?
Probably because it was a hard to miss target that can't evade gear 3rd attacks
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Just thinking about this why didn't Luffy use Gear 4 on Noah ?
Maybe it wasn't suited for that situation. Against Hody would've been a better time, but he got the job done anyway.
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Maybe it wasn't suited for that situation. Against Hody would've been a better time, but he got the job done anyway.
Well he was beating the hell out of hody so there was no need.
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Just thinking about this why didn't Luffy use Gear 4 on Noah ?
Because he migth not have needed, or learned it, or though about using it then, he certainly didnt need it for Hody or Ceaser.
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So assuming we all agree Gear 4 might be weaker then 3rd but stronger then Gear 2nd ?
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Doflamingo is so overpowered compared to his family, why did he even needed those weaklings?
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Doflamingo is so overpowered compared to his family, why did he even needed those weaklings?
wasnt that the case of every single villain so far?
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So when is the next release date?
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Just thinking about this why didn't Luffy use Gear 4 on Noah ?
My guess is, much like Second & Third Gears when they were introduced, there's some potentially dangerous drawback to using it that Luffy hasn't fully worked out yet
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I don't see why Luffy simply doesn't use the speed of gear 2 to jam his hand down Doflamingo's throat and then quickly go gear 3 and inflate that hand and burst Doflamingo's face. No need for gear 4 that way.
And on a more series note: how many bird attacks does he have? One eagle and rest hawk? (We had an eagle last chapter, right? Or mistranslation?)
Falcon Punch forshadowing?his punch ("arms") attacks are named after guns, or types of ballistics. red hawk, desert eagle
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My guess is, much like Second & Third Gears when they were introduced, there's some potentially dangerous drawback to using it that Luffy hasn't fully worked out yet
But his life was already on the line.. Remember he was losing a lot of blood while destroying Noah and was exhausting himself. If anything that was a good moment to pull out Gear 4th.
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Wow Luffy went and threw Law's arm down with him lol
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So in a recent interview Oda said there will be new Straw Hats and they will join successively. Wadatsumi just joined up with Jimbei our supposed tenth member. We need a big guy to fight Sanjuan Wolf eventually, so Wadatsumi will join the crew. :ninja:
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wasnt that the case of every single villain so far?
Same can be said for other good guys crews eg Law , Handcock, WB , etc etc.
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Well he was beating the hell out of hody so there was no need.
Well he could've used some more time to smash Noah. But it's always like this, so no bother really. I would rather have G4 showcased when really needed - like here.
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So when is the next release date?
In two weeks. Then we get a double issue, meaning there's a break again after that one.
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Doflamingo is so overpowered compared to his family, why did he even needed those weaklings?
"A King and his court"
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@Daz:
So the speech and chapter title are not to be interpreted as a straightforward badass comeback for Luffy before his power up? Luffy is supposed to make no sense, and the title is supposed to refference his warped mentality?
Being a Hero is a "warped mentality"?
I think it's "badass", men of power don't become heroes in One Piece.
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Well he could've used some more time to smash Noah. But it's always like this, so no bother really. I would rather have G4 showcased when really needed - like here.
Maybe it's more suited to 1 on 1 fights with smaller opponents and he can't maintain it for very long.
If it doesn't give Luffy a lot more destructive power, then it would be pointless to use it instead of Gear 3 in Noah situation.
Never did like new form power ups that make the earlier versions obsolete and usable. This way Luffy can adapt and opt for speed, destructive power against slow targets and whatever G4 provides. I'm thinking an overall boost in fighting power while sacrificing stretchiness.
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Doflamingo is so overpowered compared to his family, why did he even needed those weaklings?
He can't do everything alone.. And they have been with him since his childhood. I assume loyalty is a more important trait to him.
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@Daz:
I'll try my best not to argue semantics, but this^ all hinges on that very odd moment where Luffy stated his explicit intentions to be free and go on adventures as they happe- I mean, seek out the Super Bosses of the world and beat them.
It isn't really like with Vivi, where Luffy was doing everything as a friendly favor; when Law asked "Luffy, do you want to team up in elaborate machinations to take out the geopolitical heavy hitters?" the reply was "sure, I was gonna take out the geopolitical heavy hitters anyway eventually, even though-as far and I and the readersknow- this is in no way a requirenment for finding Raftel"Luffy didn't need to go poke Doflamingo to continue his adventure, he didn't need the alliance with Law to proceed either, and his speech here makes about as much sense as if he'd berated Crocodile for hindering his progress. Oda has done the "Luffy is in wrong place at wrong time and villain obstructs his path" angle many times; this is not one where it applies.
I might need to re-read Alabasta, but I don't remember Luffy actively seeking Crocodile to kick his butt as an imperative in order to get into the next island. He did it because of his bond with Vivi. He's taking down Doffy because of his bond with Law, even though that's obviously voluntarily forgetting the friendships he's been setting throughout the arc (Rebecca, Bellamy) and that ended up being his true emotional fuel in wanting to take down Doffy. But still.
Now, that suddenly Luffy's preferences include taking down the Yonko? Well, might sound weird, but he's also about butting heads with people. He's a meathead in the end, his solution to Laboon's plight was stabbing her with Merry's mast and fight her, his way of getting some sense into Vivi was getting in a fist fight with her, his reaction at Jinbe simply talking with him was getting into a fight with him. Twice. Taking this into acount, why can't Luffy's idea of being the Pirate King include being stronger than the other candidates to prove his worth? He's not into death fights, but he loves fighting. He was delighted to enter the Corrida Colisseum and was the one having the most fun of all. His idea of fun and freedom might include duking it out with powerhouses like Big Mom or Kaidou.
And he's also stated Shanks is the last he's "bringing down". Luffy's entire journey is triggered by wanting to prove Shanks his worth. Getting in front of him, having defeated the other strong guys in the New World, and saying "and now I'll trully show you I deserve this hat you gave me" is a powerful image, even if it's one we'll probably never see (Blackbeard does awful things to Shank's crew, yadda yadda).
But this, at the moment, has little to do with any of that. As things stand NOW, Doffy is in Luffy's way. He's set a Birdcage that doesn't let him get away from Dressrosa. He's deadset on killing Law, his ally, and we know since day 1 of the alliance that for Luffy, being in an alliance means "being friends going on an adventure", as was explicitely stated by every single strawhat besides Zoro. Law is Luffy's friend in his eyes, either you think their relationship is well built or not. At the moment, also, Doffy is the man that humiliated Bellamy and sent him to his death. The man that's actively trying to kill his friend Rebecca, her dad, her grandpa and her aunt. The guy that re-created his childhood experiences in the Goa Kingdom.
Yeah, "You're in my way" has all the meaning in the whole in this context.
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Maybe it's more suited to 1 on 1 fights and he can't maintain it for very long.
If it doesn't give Luffy a lot more destructive power, then it would be pointless to use it instead of Gear 3 in Noah situation.
I agree, that's what I meant. But if it's better for 1 v 1 fights, he could've used it against Hody to get to Noah faster. But like someone else wrote, there could be a drawback and it would be too early in the story, which would be a bigger problem for me.
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yeah, this fight is pretty good.
Question though: did the fight with Enel and Crocodile include as much banter as this one
Feels like this is the most amount of time enemies spend with antagonizing each other with words
Edit: also, I know this is silly, but glad things worked out for Waddatsumi. He was a bad guy, but he always seemed like a big kid (a really big kid) that was used by Vander Decken. -
But his life was already on the line.. Remember he was losing a lot of blood while destroying Noah and was exhausting himself. If anything that was a good moment to pull out Gear 4th.
Luffy had destroying the ship covered though, even the sea kings mentioned he would have destroyed Noah. There's no telling if gear 4th would be for the better if it destroyed the ship faster but would take a toll on his body faster. So no telling if gear 4th is weaker in power than 3rd judging on Luffy not using it during that time.
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So assuming we all agree Gear 4 might be weaker then 3rd but stronger then Gear 2nd ?
Why are we assuming this?
yeah, this fight is pretty good.
Question though: did the fight with Enel and Crocodile include as much banter as this one
Feels like this is the most amount of time enemies spend with antagonizing each other with words
Edit: also, I know this is silly, but glad things worked out for Waddatsumi. He was a bad guy, but he always seemed like a big kid (a really big kid) that was used by Vander Decken.He was never a bad guy, its like you said, he is a giant kid basicly, very innocent and was used by them.
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yeah, this fight is pretty good.
Question though: did the fight with Enel and Crocodile include as much banter as this one
Feels like this is the most amount of time enemies spend with antagonizing each other with wordsYeah, probably my least favorite thing during this Doflamingo fight is the constant Banter Breaks tm. They mostly consist of "Doffy is so evil!", and are only occasionally meaningful beyond that.
Like that time we had Law vs. Doffy was going on with some awesome moves and then, suddenly, Doffy grabs Law's arm and they stop to talk while floating in the air, completely motionless, and just bantering for 3 pages straight before Doffy finally decides to cut Law's arm. It honestly feels weird in many ways. First, it breaks the rythm of an otherwise good fight. Second, it weirds out the reader, who can't help but think "why did they suddenly stop dead in their tracks for what feels like a solid 1 or 2 minute break?". And third, it doesn't really add much, character or motivation wise.
That being said, at least this week's Evil Banter was really evil for once. It didn't add much, but at least it was on a whole new level in terms of sadism on Dofla's end.
Edit: also, I know this is silly, but glad things worked out for Waddatsumi. He was a bad guy, but he always seemed like a big kid (a really big kid) that was used by Vander Decken.
I feel like Wadatsumi still needs an extra good deed to prove he's not evil. He's still banished from FI for being one of the responsibles in trying to collapse the kingdom, he needs to make up for that I think. . .or not. Who knows.
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Just thinking about this why didn't Luffy use Gear 4 on Noah ?
Perhaps there was no need as the ship didn't fight back. Not surprised Luffy has held back he hasn't really been tested post timeskip until now.
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this is all i really have for now, but i'll take a guess at what g4 is, since it's happening:
luffy focuses for a short amount of time on the concentration/density and relaxation of his muscles, throughout his entire body. this gives him a logia like control of his rubber body, able to throw away parts of his body to dodge what would be a direct hit to his stomach, for example, is whipped out of the way, which then gives him extremely fast and unpredictable leverage for a counterattack. even able to warp away his head, and to whip it back, crushing an opponent's hand or weapon, etc..
it also makes him grow in overall size, probably around the body type of dofla, but he can't stretch as far as before, as his muscle control is more focused and centralized. this of course gives him incredible speed, power, reaction, defense, and intimidation, which can break enemy concentration/haki.
and of course all attacks have conqueror's haki, full body.if he's able to stack gear third or second, that's another story.
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Oh snap, this shit is on now! Great chapter
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@DHL:
The chapter for Gear 2nd was numbered 387. Gear 4 chapter is 783.
That's the interesting part.
What's even more interesting is gear 3rds chapter.
Chapter is numbered 421.
4.2.1
It will go from gear 4 to gear 1 for Luffys next one.very interesting, intentional or not, it speaks of a curiously self divined destiny about the contained story telling and plot points of willed evolution in one piece. unless you want to argue g4 would be 784 instead? although i think the black panel is oda "hiding" it, therefore it's in 783, we just don't see it. also i think luffy will probably be full body haki, but that's just a guess of mine, and that's also what the black is? we'll see.
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So in a recent interview Oda said there will be new Straw Hats and they will join successively. Wadatsumi just joined up with Jimbei our supposed tenth member. We need a big guy to fight Sanjuan Wolf eventually, so Wadatsumi will join the crew. :ninja:
Could you provide that interview ? I'm re-reading one piece and Luffy mentions he wants 10 people in his crew for his adventure, the thing with this is he includes himself in this number. Not much people realize this.
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Gear 4 will be something complitely insane, no one expect!
Maybe Luffy Shouting his eyes out of his head like bouncing balls.
any way, gear 4 would have been the spoiler of the 1 april, no one would have expected it would be true!
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On another note: Every crewmember should get a fight like this to showcase their limits. Since the time skip you have little clue as to what they are actually capable of. And it makes the fights much more enjoyable, when you can follow their progress from arc to arc.
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Really hope, Doffy doesn't get the Blueno treatment next chapter.
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Why are we assuming this?
Well if Luffy didn't pull it out on Noah why wait until now, nothing but speculation until we see what G4 has to offer, Doffy mentioned that his strength is weak and speed is good. Which we realize when Luffy does G3 Doffy dodges whereas G2 he simply blocks. Why not use a form where he gets the best of both worlds. Not as fast as G2 and not as strong as G3 ?
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Just thinking about this why didn't Luffy use Gear 4 on Noah ?
Not just against Noah. I'm guessing that Gear 4 must have it's drawbacks, otherwise Luffy would have used it at one point until now anyway.
Well, before the chapter my guess was that next gear would be Luffy performing next stage of Gear 3 to make himself into a full giant. I don't think so anymore. But at very least I hope that it isn't just the same old combination of G2 and G3 together, regardless if it would actually be somewhat efficient.
G4 needs to live up it's hype anyway! I feel like I might be asking too much, but I certainly hope that it's going to be awesome.
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Cavendish in this chapter: OMFG! Such an awesome character! His just-in-time appearance, his determination were just awesome. When he gave Robin his coat, it was so nice. :) I want to see Robin wearing that coat, I am sure she will look awesomely epic in that coat. :)
Chapter is 10/10. I guessed that there would be a break this week, so I was prepared. If I recall correctly, last year I had read somewhere that Oda would be taking a break once a month. Given how he writes for three weeks and takes one week break, it seems what I read was on point.
But dat Gear 4th… Now that was unexpected.
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so..how exactly is "gear fourth" gonna be pronunciated in japanese?
second was "secando"
third was "ferdo"fourth…forf?
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Could you provide that interview ? I'm re-reading one piece and Luffy mentions he wants 10 people in his crew for his adventure, the thing with this is he includes himself in this number. Not much people realize this.
First google search result :)
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Well if Luffy didn't pull it out on Noah why wait until now, nothing but speculation until we see what G4 has to offer, Doffy mentioned that his strength is weak and speed is good. Which we realize when Luffy does G3 Doffy dodges whereas G2 he simply blocks. Why not use a form where he gets the best of both worlds. Not as fast as G2 and not as strong as G3 ?
I already answered you that and you ignored it, he didnt know how to do Gear 2 and 3 either, he pulled of the moves at some point in the story why didnt he used them before either? he is using Gear 4 now because he decided to use it now or though of how to use it now, or didnt need it before, etc.
Luffy learned or had the idea of using the gears after observing CP9, so this can be the same thing, something he might have seen during Fishman Island-Dressrosa journey and he decided to try to implement that with his powers.
So when you meant strong you meant only strenght? I though you were talking all around, well yeah it might be a combination of both, I just hope he doesn't go through a transformation when it happens, like a freaking Nightmare Luffy Gear 4 version(I liked Nightmare Luffy but let it stay in Thriller bark).
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Maybe it's more suited to 1 on 1 fights with smaller opponents and he can't maintain it for very long.
If it doesn't give Luffy a lot more destructive power, then it would be pointless to use it instead of Gear 3 in Noah situation.
Never did like new form power ups that make the earlier versions obsolete and usable. This way Luffy can adapt and opt for speed, destructive power against slow targets and whatever G4 provides. I'm thinking an overall boost in fighting power while sacrificing stretchiness.
Well I do think that it would be possible for Luffy to be blowing air (?) into his muscles instead of his bone - keeping his body in normal size - then to relax muscles for example in fists in last moment before attack making his fists or any other attacks enlarge rapidly just before hitting enemy.
And then by using his muscles to get back to his normal size Luffy can for example escape with his normal speed from enemy countering his attack.
I would also say that if he would enlarge his body parts this way they wouldnt get half as big as they are in gear 3rd.So he would also not be able to strech while using his muscles to keep himself normal size.
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Luffy learned or had the idea of using the gears after observing CP9, so this can be the same thing, something he might have seen during Fishman Island-Dressrosa journey and he decided to try to implement that with his powers.
Only thing we can be sure of is that he got the idea of Soru after observing CP9 move.
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SABO hhh
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Whats written on that old lady page 11? Top panel. Haha, my prediction on wadasume, jimbei and big mom is drawing near.
What prediction? I'm curious. Could you share a link.