Ugh what is this stuff about the Grand Fleet and soon. They should not be part of the Wano stuff. Luffy hasn't expressed any desire to call for them which is the requirement. So hopefully his soon, is the equivalent of "a nakama will die soon" being Merry after a couple of years.
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I think Oda's lowballing us here, but 6 to 8 years isn't unreasonable. This essentially confirms that after the end of Wano we'll be fast tracked into endgame material. I've said elsewhere that I see Elbaf as pretty likely to be a shorter, more low key arc that keeps the crew busy and explains some lore while Blackbeard, the World Government and probably Shanks get everything they need ready for the final war. People like making long lists of unresolved plot threads, but I think most of them underestimate Oda's ability to cover multiple bases in a single story arc. The end is definitely in sight!
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I never expected Elbaf to be a final war type of arc like Wano but i thought it would be it's own self-contained adventure story like Skypiea. I think bare minimum 60 chapters (plus set-up chapters beforehand)
Length of Thriller Bark/Punk Hazard at maximum seems reasonable to me for Elbaf. Wano will take, I don't know, 125 chapters, some chapters for the Reverie ending and the ensuing Fallout.
My "prediction" or let's say General feeling is Wano/Reverie will end at 1050 latest, than Elbaf, Raftel Begins at 1100. Probably the longest Flashback About the True History than the endgame.
Something like chapter 1400 seems like a good prediction for One Piece to end.This would mean at least About 10 years though.
Carrot's still never gonna join the crew. 
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Length of Thriller Bark/Punk Hazard at maximum seems reasonable to me for Elbaf. Wano will take, I don't know, 125 chapters, some chapters for the Reverie ending and the ensuing Fallout.
My "prediction" or let's say General feeling is Wano/Reverie will end at 1050 latest, than Elbaf, Raftel Begins at 1100. Probably the longest Flashback About the True History than the endgame.
Something like chapter 1400 seems like a good prediction for One Piece to end.This would mean at least About 10 years though.
If the last pRoad poneglyph is in Elbaf i can see the SHs reaching Raftel in 50 chapters but i hate that idea.
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Oda does around 40 chapters a year, so five years means 200 chapters, which would put as 1150. So I expect we'll end up crossing 1200 but not 1300.
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Oda does around 40 chapters a year, so five years means 200 chapters, which would put as 1150. So I expect we'll end up crossing 1200 but not 1300.
Oda's prediction about the Five years is wrong.
If the prediction is true, than the Story Quality will suffer drastically.
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He never gave a "finish by" statement in this though, it´s his personal wish, something that clashes with his constant desire to introduce and draw new things.
Meaning he wants to control that urge, does not work most of the time.Oda needs to start being concerned with the plot points he hasnt even finished. I mean, take Vegapunk for example:
- Has been teased for over a decade
- The nature of devil fruits has not been explained
- His facility has been mentioned several times
- Luffy has casually told Sentoumaru he will meet him again
- He has weapons that will replace the shichibukai, likely upgraded Pacifista/Vessels
- Kuma likely is not being rescued at Reverie and if he is, its going to segway into bigger problems
- The whole mystery behind why Kuma became a weapon is unanswered
- Bonney has a big role to play with this
- Its clear Kuma was being set up as an enemy, tragically. There are panels with Franky explaining this
- The Revolutionary army will likely be involved
- Casesar and Judge clearly have a role to play here with Vegapunk, considering both have left WCI without a trace (they very likely survived)
- Smoker and Tashigi were entirely missing from the Reverie, indicating they are still with Vegapunk and the children
Honestly, i cant see how this would get stuffed into Elbaf or Raftel or the Final War. These are clear seeds he has planted for the mainline story.
And dont even get me started on Elbaf, Big Mom, Enel, Urogue, Crocodile, the Underworld, and Impel Downs silver medalists, etc.
He'd LIKE to finish it in 5 years, he's going to overshoot that by a lot, watch. Oda isnt a mangaka that shortchanges plotlines. Hell, Wano may be another hundred chapters and we dont know it yet.
He needs to stop creating new plot points after Wano and focus on the 2/3 remaining Yonko, Vegapunk, Elbaf, The Ancient Weapons, CP-0, WG, Marines and the Revolitionary army. He can USE Enel, the Underworld, Impel Down escapees, etc to to drive these points, but lets not create entire arcs around those.
I personally still think
- Vegapunk
- Elbaf
- Something else
- Raftel/Final War
Are whats left truly.
Ill make a more comprehensive post later on.
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The story ending at around 1350-1450 chapters is the ideal scenario for me. At the very least i hope we get:
- Reverie flashback arc (3-5 chapters)
2)Weevil/Marco arc (7-10 chapters)
3)An arc centered around Marines/RA/WG. Oda already said last year that he wanted to make a story like that (Sandman posted it)
4)An arc centered around the underworld but with the villains as a focus, with Blackbeard or Aokiji as potagonists.
Both arcs can also be combined in one arc, which would be even better. Most subplots and side character arcs that were mentioned throughout the thread can be fleshed out/ resolved in this arc.(7-10 chapters)
5)The pursuit of the final road poneglyoh and the adventure to the final island, before Raftel (please dont make the SHs find the last road poneglyph in Elbaf Oda. I beg you)
6)Am i the only to think that there should be a naval battle/race between the major players before Raftel? Like where is Rox gonna fit?
- Reverie flashback arc (3-5 chapters)
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The story ending at around 1350-1450 chapters is the ideal scenario for me. At the very least i hope we get:
- Reverie flashback arc (3-5 chapters)
2)Weevil/Marco arc (7-10 chapters)
3)An arc centered around Marines/RA/WG. Oda already said last year that he wanted to make a story like that (Sandman posted it)
4)An arc centered around the underworld but with the villains as a focus, with Blackbeard or Aokiji as potagonists.
Both arcs can also be combined in one arc, which would be even better. Most subplots and side character arcs that were mentioned throughout the thread can be fleshed out/ resolved in this arc.(7-10 chapters)
5)The pursuit of the final road poneglyoh and the adventure to the final island, before Raftel (please dont make the SHs find the last road poneglyph in Elbaf Oda. I beg you)
6)Am i the only to think that there should be a naval battle/race between the major players before Raftel? Like where is Rox gonna fit?
Rox was first brought up in the context of Kaido and Big Mom, so I think it's fair to assume it's a part of their plot thread and will be addressed alongside it.
- Reverie flashback arc (3-5 chapters)
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Ok but still. Where does he fit in the story, practically? (assuming that he/they will be a major point in the future)
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Outside of what is talked about mostly like Elbaf, Shanks, WG, VP, etc, there are other things that have come into the fray. They aren't illustrated as big, but they aren't small either. It's not about how crucial they are to the story tho. It's the amount. Based on WCI arc and how this arc is progressing, 5 years is obviously as weak a wish, as 10 years in 2004 was.
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Outside of what is talked about mostly like Elbaf, Shanks, WG, VP, etc, there are other things that have come into the fray. They aren't illustrated as big, but they aren't small either. It's not about how crucial they are to the story tho. It's the amount. Based on WCI arc and how this arc is progressing, 5 years is obviously as weak a wish, as 10 years in 2004 was.
I assume you are mainly referring to side character arcs and their connections to subplots. So, my question is what do you think is major and cant be included in any known arc but has to be it's own thing? Lola, Urouge and Enel will probably be in Elbaf, Shanks might too. Vegapunk will start getting involved in Wano (probably indirectly) because the Shichibukai are no longer an asset to the marines (unless Akainu believes admirals and vice admirals are enough to invade wano…but still it would be the perfect time to see the new weapon VP developed being utilized). The motivations of the former shichibukai (now that it's implied that the system was abolished) will also be revealed inbetween acts or after Wano. Caesar and Judge don't neccesarily have to come back until way later down the line (when it comes to finding out about the research team, Vegapunk can do that by himself). Kuma and Bonnie's story will tie in with the RA/Marine/WG arc i mentioned. What else?
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I assume you are mainly referring to side character arcs and their connections to subplots. So, my question is what do you think is major and cant be included in any known arc but has to be it's own thing? Lola, Urouge and Enel will probably be in Elbaf, Shanks might too. Vegapunk will start getting involved in Wano (probably indirectly) because the Shichibukai are no longer an asset to the marines (unless Akainu believes admirals and vice admirals are enough to invade wano…but still it would be the perfect time to see the new weapon VP developed being utilized). The motivations of the former shichibukai (now that it's implied that the system was abolished) will also be revealed inbetween acts or after Wano. Caesar and Judge don't neccesarily have to come back until way later down the line (when it comes to finding out about the research team, Vegapunk can do that by himself). Kuma and Bonnie's story will tie in with the RA/Marine/WG arc i mentioned. What else?
As talked about before
- Do each of the SH crew get the Sanji treatment? Or possibly what Zoro is receiving in this arc? Either way, going by the majority's logic, these will be rushed or skipped
- Are each of the SH crew's dreams accomplished? Do we get 3 in 1 or 2 in 1 specials? Same notion in the point before. Rushed or skipped based on the majority of the fandom's logic
- Research team and their ties to the bigger picture
- Underworld and it's part to play in the SH crew's journey. 4 resources to run an organization: people, finance, info and material. Kaido and BM's crews have shown these. It has been hinted that even WB got into this. Will the crew be the exception or will they dip into this?
- Supernova rivalry's purpose. What will each do? Be an obstacle and testament to the crew's greatness and/or ally to their cause.
- The last road PG and are the other non road PG important enough
None of these are deserving of their own ac as I said in the 1st post. It's the amount of things to thread together. I didn't even list everything. Wano isn't over and most think we ca tie all of this into less than 6 arcs. Then there's the fact that when Oda wants to spice things up, he might have the urge to bring something else up that he had since God knows when. I still stand by the 60-65% mark really.
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I think we will get one more saga containing 3-5 arcs, that will knit everything together, similar to Fishman island - Punk Hazard - Dressrosa - Zou - Wholecake Island - Wano, but maybe less arcs, and just one or two big arcs.
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I think we will get one more saga containing 3-5 arcs, that will knit everything together, similar to Fishman island - Punk Hazard - Dressrosa - Zou - Wholecake Island - Wano, but maybe less arcs, and just one or two big arcs.
New World Saga looks like what you illustrated, but then Zou, WCI arc and Wano are considered Yonko saga. Yonko and New World Saga are obviously different, but they are called the same thing. I'd categorize New World in the same group as Paradise and East Blue. While Yonko Saga is the same as Summit War (Duval to the end of Paradise).
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As talked about before
- Do each of the SH crew get the Sanji treatment? Or possibly what Zoro is receiving in this arc? Either way, going by the majority's logic, these will be rushed or skipped
- Are each of the SH crew's dreams accomplished? Do we get 3 in 1 or 2 in 1 specials? Same notion in the point before. Rushed or skipped based on the majority of the fandom's logic
- Research team and their ties to the bigger picture
- Underworld and it's part to play in the SH crew's journey. 4 resources to run an organization: people, finance, info and material. Kaido and BM's crews have shown these. It has been hinted that even WB got into this. Will the crew be the exception or will they dip into this?
- Supernova rivalry's purpose. What will each do? Be an obstacle and testament to the crew's greatness and/or ally to their cause.
- The last road PG and are the other non road PG important enough
None of these are deserving of their own ac as I said in the 1st post. It's the amount of things to thread together. I didn't even list everything. Wano isn't over and most think we ca tie all of this into less than 6 arcs. Then there's the fact that when Oda wants to spice things up, he might have the urge to bring something else up that he had since God knows when. I still stand by the 60-65% mark really.
60%-65% is pretty low if you ask me.
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Ugh what is this stuff about the Grand Fleet and soon. They should not be part of the Wano stuff. Luffy hasn't expressed any desire to call for them which is the requirement. So hopefully his soon, is the equivalent of "a nakama will die soon" being Merry after a couple of years.
You know, what if this isn't about Wano, but about the Reverie? The way the thing about those seven and the great incident was worded, it doesn't really have to be related to Luffy, just something that's really big and affects the world. Two of them are already there, and Bartolomeo could have gotten involved with Shanks, who is also there. The other four weren't doing anything important, so maybe Barto can contact them and get them there? Something like, Shanks befriended Barto by showing him his Happy Memories album with Luffy and told him to get the rest and go to the Red Line because 'something big might happen' or the usual Shanks vagueness.
This also would open the door to future expansions of the Grand Fleet without invalidating the statement that those 7 would be the ones to cause an historic incident.
Imagine the Straw Hats coming out of Wano and being all ''Finally we can relax.'' Then they read in the newspaper : ''Strawhat Luffy sends his fleet to Mariejois to crash the Reverie and declare war on the World Government.'' Cue face-fault.
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5 years sounds pretty good. Means he's moving into the final stages soon.
Course it might drag on a bit, but it's an inidication where he thinks he is in the storyline.
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5 years sounds pretty good. Means he's moving into the final stages soon.
Course it might drag on a bit, but it's an inidication where he thinks he is in the storyline.
I agree somewhat, but I have never seen Oda properly finishing anything on time. Its clear he might resolve a ton of stuff through these next 2 wars, but theres just so much adventure still be had by the plot points he has set up. You need TIME to have Jinbe feel like a strawhat. Apparently there are more people joining after? How? This late?
! - How does he fit Vegapunk himself, his devilfruit explanations, weapons, Kuma, Bonney, Germa, Caesar, into Wano, Elbaf or the Final War? I personally cant see it, which is why I think its a separate arc entirely.
- Where does Enel and his moon plot fit into the remainder of the story? Additionally, every other old villain set up for more story, namely Buggy, Crocodile, Moria and Lucci
- What was the point in letting us know 2 people know BMs secret if it doesnt pay off in the future?
- What was the point in the 3 additional underworld emeperors that have yet to get exposure? The hints that Kaido still gets stuff via Underworld trading after Joker?
- There are Impel Down escapees still roaming about, what are they doing?
- Marco and Weevil? Will be tied to Wano? Former WB pirates?
- The ancient weapons
- The National Treasure
- Fishman Islands destruction/Noah
- The Marines and WG as a whole. They have hierarchies that need to be taken down.
- The last 2 Yonko
- Urogue and the Supernova as a whole
- SHF
- DREAMS
! And a ton fuck more.
Im just saying, I personally cant see him even getting remotely close by the time Wano finishes. Lets say Wano finishes by next year (highly doubtful), and lets say it takes care of both BM and Kaido fully (50/50 on that happening), he still has all of this to contend with all of thie and a bunch of things i didnt even mention
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What. I always get surprised by the amount of people that just don’t want to realize that One Piece will end way sooner than they want it to end. Who cares about the remaining Impel Down fugitives, nobody cares about some once-mentioned underworld brokers, and so on.
We’ll get Elbaf and Raftel, and that’s it, nothing more (Raftel includes a world-wide end battle via the dragon-shaped underwater-currents mentioned after FMI, inclusively the moon).
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! - How does he fit Vegapunk himself, his devilfruit explanations, weapons, Kuma, Bonney, Germa, Caesar, into Wano, Elbaf or the Final War? I personally cant see it, which is why I think its a separate arc entirely.
- Where does Enel and his moon plot fit into the remainder of the story? Additionally, every other old villain set up for more story, namely Buggy, Crocodile, Moria and Lucci
- What was the point in letting us know 2 people know BMs secret if it doesnt pay off in the future?
- What was the point in the 3 additional underworld emeperors that have yet to get exposure? The hints that Kaido still gets stuff via Underworld trading after Joker?
- There are Impel Down escapees still roaming about, what are they doing?
- Marco and Weevil? Will be tied to Wano? Former WB pirates?
- The ancient weapons
- The National Treasure
- Fishman Islands destruction/Noah
- The Marines and WG as a whole. They have hierarchies that need to be taken down.
- The last 2 Yonko
- Urogue and the Supernova as a whole
- SHF
- DREAMS
! And a ton fuck more.
That's a lot of stuff to be sure, but let me ask you one question. What makes the big arcs so freaking long and time-consuming?
The anwser is - internal storylines and abundance of new side characters.
The Final War and most of the things you have mentioned will have the benefit of not having this. All of the characters will be already established, as there are no more groups or big crews to introduce, aside from Giants (which I think will be handled similiary to Zou and Minks, meaning Elbaf will be a short arc, and Giants internal conflict/storyline will be tied to final war and resolved then, the same way how Minks storyline is tied to Wano and Kaido). Without the need to introduce and build up shitton of stuff, Oda will be able to focus on just resolving and providing closure to past plotlines and characters, which will make the pacing much better than what we have usual. I don't think 5 years is enough, but I can totally see him ending everything in 7. Just look at the WB war saga. The whole thing was as long as Dressrosa, yet managad to achieve so much more becuase it didn't have that "classic adventure" storytelling with lots on focus put on the locals, island's history and goofing around.
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Another thing that made me think that Elbaf will be part of the 'final arc',other than Oda's love for the vikings and the fact that Usopp will surely realize his dream there,is the giant strawhat we saw in the Reverie arc. Now,the most logical thing that comes into my mind is that that hat belonged to a giant! And this sounds like 'endgame material'.
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That's a lot of stuff to be sure, but let me ask you one question. What makes the big arcs so freaking long and time-consuming?
The anwser is - internal storylines and abundance of new side characters.
The Final War and most of the things you have mentioned will have the benefit of not having this. All of the characters will be already established, as there are no more groups or big crews to introduce, aside from Giants (which I think will be handled similiary to Zou and Minks, meaning Elbaf will be a short arc, and Giants internal conflict/storyline will be tied to final war and resolved then, the same way how Minks storyline is tied to Wano and Kaido). Without the need to introduce and build up shitton of stuff, Oda will be able to focus on just resolving and providing closure to past plotlines and characters, which will make the pacing much better than what we have usual. I don't think 5 years is enough, but I can totally see him ending everything in 7. Just look at the WB war saga. The whole thing was as long as Dressrosa, yet managad to achieve so much more becuase it didn't have that "classic adventure" storytelling with lots on focus put on the locals, island's history and goofing around.
My question is what happens after Elbaf and before Raftel. For all we know the final road PG could be in a completely different place, and what about "the throne wars"? These "wars" are implied to take place before someone finds Raftel, not the final war (technically they started after Dressrosa but how far is Oda gonna take it is the question). In my mind it's Finding the final road PG (which will take a significant amount of chapters) –-> Final Island ---> Throne wars Climax ---> Raftel ---> Final war prologue ---> Actual war ---> Resolution
The other subplots and character stories can be fleshed out after Elbaf, that's not an issue for Oda
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The impel down inmates feels like it has been sufficiently adressed by now. He used two for movies that fleshed out backstory and Blackbeard took a bunch of them with him as his crew. I mean sure he could do more if he wants but six feels plenty to me. And add to that Croc and those other guys coming back into play. The effects of the ID prison break has been adressed in my book
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But here's thing. We can speculate all we want, but no one here knows better than Oda which subplots he wants to focus on and how much time that will take. And he says he wants to do it in 5 years. Of course we know it'll be longer than that, because he's always adding new stuff and wanting to expand. But if he wasn't like that, then 5 years should at least be in the realm of possibility, and that means a lot. As far as plans go, he should definitely know how many arcs are left and how long each will take on paper. And that should be consistent with his estimations.
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New World Saga looks like what you illustrated, but then Zou, WCI arc and Wano are considered Yonko saga. Yonko and New World Saga are obviously different, but they are called the same thing. I'd categorize New World in the same group as Paradise and East Blue. While Yonko Saga is the same as Summit War (Duval to the end of Paradise).
I like to think of it as one big saga, since the conflict with big mom started in FI, and the plan to take down Kaido in Punk Hazard.
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And ancient weapons/fishman islands destruction/Enel on the moon/old villains and allies/WG battle/Blackbeard all fall into the same endgame arc.
BM's memories/Elbaf/the other two emperors weeding each other out/national treasure/Vegapunk/Kuma&Bonney stuff all feels like stuff that will happen in a shorter bridging arc.
And non-plot relevant Supernovas and underworld is just background fluff to be squeezed in wherever
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As I already said, most of it don't deserve their own arcs. The thing is, when you start to dismiss dreams and progression of crewmates in your speculation of what is left, then you're not seeing the bigger picture. Then there's the Underworld. If you think of it as just the small amount of leaders (not brokers like Doffy) that were shown, then of course they can be dismissed. Those weren't all of them though. The Underworld isn't their leaders. It's a backdrop to what the compliments the Pirate World's and it's biggest players. The 4 resources of any successful organization are people, material, finance and info. Most of the Yonko crews have shown this. Pekoms (meant Neko smh) said there's no difference between clean money and dirty money. Will the SH crew be the exception or will they have to dabble in this?
If I thought of the rest of the story and how it may possibly go, based on what I care about the most and dismissed other factors in an insular way:
- There would be no more crew members after Brook, but we're still getting Jinbe and possibly another after him with backstory, progression and a dream as well
- No reason to ever bring up any other PG outside of the remainder road PG, but we got 2 non road PG during WCI arc and 1 non road PG in this arc. This would leave 17 unaccounted for non road PG
- Oda should fast track Haki and DF application, but we're still learning about both
- After Zoro, no more arcs that include progression or backstory for the current crewmates, but we know that doesn't go along with the current flow of things
- The story is already crowded, we don't need cover story arcs like Chiffon/Fire Tank or Enel's coming back to be tied in
While some think that it's about what someone wants it to end, that just isn't the case. If Oda could dismiss or squeeze in the things that I don't really care about, the series would be over within the next 4 years. While I list the things that are left open, there are others that wish for these things to be squeezed in or just gives a "who cares for xxx and xxx". There's a obvious difference here in logically weighing the possibilities and wanting the series to go your way because you don't care for certain things.
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What. I always get surprised by the amount of people that just don’t want to realize that One Piece will end way sooner than they want it to end. Who cares about the remaining Impel Down fugitives, nobody cares about some once-mentioned underworld brokers, and so on.
We’ll get Elbaf and Raftel, and that’s it, nothing more (Raftel includes a world-wide end battle via the dragon-shaped underwater-currents mentioned after FMI, inclusively the moon).
Because its bad storytelling to introduce shit you are not going to use, especially when you intentionally introduce and tease them lol.
The impel down inmates feels like it has been sufficiently adressed by now. He used two for movies that fleshed out backstory and Blackbeard took a bunch of them with him as his crew. I mean sure he could do more if he wants but six feels plenty to me. And add to that Croc and those other guys coming back into play. The effects of the ID prison break has been adressed in my book
The impel down escapees has nothing to do with BB lol, they were mentioned by Brandnew to Sengoku after the war, then mentioned again in Dressrosa by the Bounty Hunter dude in the cactus tourney. They arent the people that escaped with Luffy or Teach
@Dahaka.:
That's a lot of stuff to be sure, but let me ask you one question. What makes the big arcs so freaking long and time-consuming?
The anwser is - internal storylines and abundance of new side characters.
The Final War and most of the things you have mentioned will have the benefit of not having this. All of the characters will be already established, as there are no more groups or big crews to introduce, aside from Giants (which I think will be handled similiary to Zou and Minks, meaning Elbaf will be a short arc, and Giants internal conflict/storyline will be tied to final war and resolved then, the same way how Minks storyline is tied to Wano and Kaido). Without the need to introduce and build up shitton of stuff, Oda will be able to focus on just resolving and providing closure to past plotlines and characters, which will make the pacing much better than what we have usual. I don't think 5 years is enough, but I can totally see him ending everything in 7. Just look at the WB war saga. The whole thing was as long as Dressrosa, yet managad to achieve so much more becuase it didn't have that "classic adventure" storytelling with lots on focus put on the locals, island's history and goofing around.
I get it, its more of a concern on how he will do it. He HAS to address these plot point if he wants everything to pay off. Make an arc for each problem or consolidate tons of them in final, big arcs, sure. You WILL save time. But then, the arcs themselves are still going to be massive like Wano then. Everything needs panel time and breathing room, its still going to take years to finish.
Alot of people here think that Oda will just drop threads when he has never done such a thing in 22 years lol.
Post-Wano is certainly going to be the hardest writing Oda has to do to tie everything together. I am hoping for some here to start us out, because the endgame SHOULD start now, especially with the Oni Giants, Rocks and Kaido's actual origin. It seems Moria has a ton of importance here due to his significance with Oars.
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The impel down escapees has nothing to do with BB lol, they were mentioned by Brandnew to Sengoku after the war, then mentioned again in Dressrosa by the Bounty Hunter dude in the cactus tourney. They arent the people that escaped with Luffy or Teach
Excessively putting lol in your replies can sort of make you come of as smug, just a heads up. And as i read that Sengoku conversation he's mostly talking about the people BB took, and that he thinks there may be others who escaped as well. And to that count we have two additional ones already created. Like i said six legendary pirates from level six feels plenty. He can do more if he'd like but there really is no commitment to do more.
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Even if we're approaching endgame, I can't see the series ending in less than 7 years except if Oda totally changes his writing style. Wano itself stlll got at least a big year left before ending.
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Taking Oda at face valueI don't care what Oda says, he's always wrong in his progress predictions.
He won't be able to resist drawing (almost) everything he needs to draw,
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Excessively putting lol in your replies can sort of make you come of as smug, just a heads up. And as i read that Sengoku conversation he's mostly talking about the people BB took, and that he thinks there may be others who escaped as well. And to that count we have two additional ones already created. Like i said six legendary pirates from level six feels plenty. He can do more if he'd like but there really is no commitment to do more.
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"Excessively"
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Its there once, in my reply to you.
Dont nitpick
And there were clearly a ton of silhouettes behind Sengoku when mentioning them.
Its not BB or Luffy's escapees.
@MDL:
This far into OP
Taking Oda at face valueI don't care what Oda says, he's always wrong in his progress predictions.
He won't be able to resist drawing (almost) everything he needs to draw,
we've got a while to go yet.^^^^ agreed. This is what im saying 100% Not to mention, ths sheer number of things he has teased or mentioned in the past 300 chapters that has not panned out yet. The sheer number of things pre-timeskip that must connect to the current story, and more.
Greg literally said it in his thread. The guy wanted to end the story 17 years ago (he said the same thing, "I would like to emd OP in 5 years") and waddya know, grossly wrong.
It will catch up to him, hes going to know what he needs to address, eventually.
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"Excessively"
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Its there once, in my reply to you.
Dont nitpick
And there were clearly a ton of silhouettes behind Sengoku when mentioning them.
Its not BB or Luffy's escapees.
Just because they exist doesn't mean they have to be part of the story.
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Just because they exist doesn't mean they have to be part of the story.
You dont set up clear issues for the future and not address them. Thats bad storytelling.
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@Gia:
You dont set up clear issues for the future and not address them. Thats bad storytelling.
Yeah, but the other Level 6 prisoners weren't set up as clear issues for the future. Blackbeard and his crew were.
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Yeah, but the other Level 6 prisoners weren't set up as clear issues for the future. Blackbeard and his crew were.
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https://static.duniaku.net/2018/12/impel-down-escape-one-piece-581.jpgHow that not clear setup for something?
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@Gia:
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"Excessively"
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Its there once, in my reply to you.
Dont nitpick
You did use the word lol in reply to each person you adressed in that edited post. Which could be read as you showing derision to those you speak with. Now i assume you don't mean anything by it and it is just a word you habitually use much the same as how i pepper my posts with the word like. Wasn't meant as a jibe, just as a reminder to be mindful of how you appear. But since it seem to have rubbed you the wrong way i apologize.
And there were clearly a ton of silhouettes behind Sengoku when mentioning them.
Its not BB or Luffy's escapees.
What can i say, i disagree with what you think it is leading to and i think it has been solidly adressed already. Or atleast will be post-BB
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You did use the word lol in reply to each person you adressed in that edited post. Which could be read as you showing derision to those you speak with. Now i assume you don't mean anything by it and it is just a word you habitually use much the same as how i pepper my posts with the word like. Wasn't meant as a jibe, just as a reminder to be mindful of how you appear. But since it seem to have rubbed you the wrong way i apologize.
What can i say, i disagree with what you think it is leading to and i think it has been solidly adressed already. Or atleast will be post-BB
Read my above post. Sengoku clearly is talking about Non-BB/Luffy escapees. There are others.
And yes, point taken. My bad
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Editor Onishi: ONE PIECE is 60-70% done and it will probably finish within 10 years.
Interview with editor Onishi at ONE PIECE exhibition in Taiwan (2014)
http://forums.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=35030&page=27&p=3224194&viewfull=1#post3224194Well, say what you want, they are at least consistent when it comes to number of years.
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@Dahaka.:
Well, say what you want, they are at least consistent when it comes to number of years.
IDK about that…
- When Oda married in 2004, he made a promise with his wife, “I’ll finish ONE PIECE in 10 years.
After that, let’s go on a round-the-world trip”. But 15 years have passed since the promise…:sad:
- When Oda married in 2004, he made a promise with his wife, “I’ll finish ONE PIECE in 10 years.
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If we go by the percentage estimation, he said halfway with timeskip at chapter 600 (then it would end at 1200), 65% around chapter 830 (would end around chapter 1275) and 80% around chapter 910 (would end around chapter 1140). Sure, that's a 150 chapters variance (which would be 3 years in real time), but considering it most likely refers to story progression and not chapters, that's not TOO inconsistent.
Maybe every arc is 5% regardless of length. It's actually pretty consistent that way. Fishman Island 55% Punk Hazard 60%, Dressrosa 65%, Zou 70% (this makes a lot of sense because he gave two interviews in very close proximity where he said 65% in one and 70% in another, and it was around the time Zou ended), WCI 75%, Reverie 80%. Then after Wano we should be at 85%. Following this there would be three arcs after this (I assume Elbaf, final war and ???)
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It seems to me that Wano will be a bigger deal than most people realize. Right now we think of Kaidou and Big Mom's downfall, which is huge obviously, but Wano is also a country deeply connected to the main lore of One Piece, so it's possible that the arc will address a lot of main plot points and becomes a preview/introduction to the last saga.
Honestly, even if Oda is wrong again about how much it will take to finish the story, I do believe that we don't have many arcs left.
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If we go by the percentage estimation, he said halfway with timeskip at chapter 600 (then it would end at 1200), 65% around chapter 830 (would end around chapter 1275) and 80% around chapter 910 (would end around chapter 1140). Sure, that's a 150 chapters variance (which would be 3 years in real time), but considering it most likely refers to story progression and not chapters, that's not TOO inconsistent.
Maybe every arc is 5% regardless of length. It's actually pretty consistent that way. Fishman Island 55% Punk Hazard 60%, Dressrosa 65%, Zou 70% (this makes a lot of sense because he gave two interviews in very close proximity where he said 65% in one and 70% in another, and it was around the time Zou ended), WCI 75%, Reverie 80%. Then after Wano we should be at 85%. Following this there would be three arcs after this (I assume Elbaf, final war and ???)
Iirc, Oda's editor said 60% after FI, 70% after PH then went down to 65% after Dressrosa lol. It only went up to 80% after WCI.
I honestly dont know what to believe anymore. All i know is he's always way off and I wouldnt be surprised if it took another decade
It seems to me that Wano will be a bigger deal than most people realize. Right now we think of Kaidou and Big Mom's downfall, which is huge obviously, but Wano is also a country deeply connected to the main lore of One Piece, so it's possible that the arc will address a lot of main plot points and becomes a preview/introduction to the last saga.
Honestly, even if Oda is wrong again about how much it will take to finish the story, I do believe that we don't have many arcs left.
Thats honestly if BM goes down with Kaido, tbh. With her connections to Elbaf, im not so sure her story will just end here.
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BM doesn't need to go to Elbaf for her connection to it to play, though. As long as the people there know Luffy was the one who took her down, that should be more than enough to justify the connections since it would set the tone of the arc and the interactions between giants/SH (well, regardless of Wano, it is already believed he defeated her, so the giants should already be seeing him with good eyes at this point)
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@.access:
BM doesn't need to go to Elbaf for her connection to it to play, though. As long as the people there know Luffy was the one who took her down, that should be more than enough to justify the connections since it would set the tone of the arc and the interactions between giants/SH (well, regardless of Wano, it is already believed he defeated her, so the giants should already be seeing him with good eyes at this point)
The payoff is "Will she find out that she ate Mother Caramel and the Kids?" That payoff doesnt happen without her. Its certainly small, but its part of her arc as a character.
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https://claystage.com/one-piece-ending-prediction Oda saying that he would like to finish OP in 5 years seem very much in line with his estimations since the timeskip and I think it is ridiculous to dismiss his comments based on any estimation he made before then let alone an estimation before the story even began. There have been only 2 miscalculations since 2010, the first one being that one piece was 70% complete in 2015 and the second being that one piece would enter the wano arc in 2017. As for the former estimation, it came from an editor meanwhile the latter was only off by a matter of months and even then oda had given an interview sometime in 2017 saying that wano would begin in 1-2 years i.e he was actually highballing. Moreover, in just the past year alone oda has been hammering home the idea that OP is coming to an end and even a prominent member involved in the production of the wano arc in the anime stated that he believes one piece is approaching it's climax. Furthermore, there are so many in-story indications that we are approaching the end; kaido declared that he wants to start the greatest war, doflamingo stated in chapter 801 that the war for supremacy would soon begin, blackbeard stated in chapter 925 that the war for supremacy has already begun, the revolutionary army has declared war on the world government, the strawhats have 3 of the 4 road poneglyphs etc
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We're talking about the same Oda who admitted Punk Hazard and Dressrosa ended up being 2 times longer than he expected.
@sandman:- There are too many things Oda wants to draw, so he merges the themes of islands. For example, Punk Hazard is originally consisted of fire island and ice island.
Dressrosa is originally consisted of dwarves island and passion island. But as opposed to his expectations, it took him twice the time than usual to draw these arcs.
- There are too many things Oda wants to draw, so he merges the themes of islands. For example, Punk Hazard is originally consisted of fire island and ice island.
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A lot of story could be wrapped up in Wano and then set up the stage for the last arcs which could be only 2 for all we know, with the defeat of Kaido and possibly even Big Mom, Elbaf and Raftel/War.
The big war could run simultaneously with the goings on on Raftel with Strawhats and the BB crew, or the war will actually be on Raftel and not on the sea or various islands surrounding it etc.
Elbaf could be as short as Zou and after that would be the last arc, involving all the important characters at once and basically in the same location.
The last arc could also consist of only huge revelations and battles, instead of the usual long arcs with a ton of set ups and adventure, members being split up etc. Thus Oda can breeze through it in 2–3 years, cause that is still a big amount of characters to showcase in battles if he goes that route.
So basically we could potentially be looking at 1–2 years of Wano left, less than a year for Elbaf and rest for the final arc, ending the series in 5–6 years max.
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We're talking about the same Oda who admitted Punk Hazard and Dressrosa ended up being 2 times longer than he expected.
This is EXACTLY what i mean. Regardless if he draws individual arcs or stuffs them together, he always ends up making them as long as they would have been anyway lmao.
Consolidate Vegapunk, Elbaf and whatever else, itll just make the arc 2-3 times longer than originally intended.
A lot of story could be wrapped up in Wano and then set up the stage for the last arcs which could be only 2 for all we know, with the defeat of Kaido and possibly even Big Mom, Elbaf and Raftel/War.
The big war could run simultaneously with the goings on on Raftel with Strawhats and the BB crew, or the war will actually be on Raftel and not on the sea or various islands surrounding it etc.
Elbaf could be as short as Zou and after that would be the last arc, involving all the important characters at once and basically in the same location.
The last arc could also consist of only huge revelations and battles, instead of the usual long arcs with a ton of set ups and adventure, members being split up etc. Thus Oda can breeze through it in 2–3 years, cause that is still a big amount of characters to showcase in battles if he goes that route.
So basically we could potentially be looking at 1–2 years of Wano left, less than a year for Elbaf and rest for the final arc, ending the series in 5–6 years max.
Ill believe it when i see it lol.
