Chapter 737: "The Executive Tower"

RobZilla

There's one new crewmate we heard about. A guy named Aokiji.

During the conversation, Blackbeard compared Aokiji to Shiryuu, who was also part of marines. We can safely assume Shiryuu is one of those 10 captains. So, comparing Aokiji to Shiryuu should be an obvious hint.

My only problem is the fact Aokiji joined Blackbeard shouldn't be so wide spread but maybe the fact BB has 10 captains is more known than that Aokiji is one of them. Dofla did say he has heard some nasty rumors. And ultimately, I don't see Aokiji joining BB as anything else than a member equal to his other starting crewmen.

I can't see Kuzan having joined the BB's and being an official "Titan Captain" without it being more widespread and well know.

I think the comparison between Kuzan and Shiliew is purely based on their WG pasts and not on their current status.

Kuzan is most likely doing some kind of business with the BB's, or has at least pushed to do so, leading to Burgess' comment about not trusting him because of his past, with Teach then alluding to him being shipmates with another former WG official.

Medical Orbit

I had just thought Aokiji had made some kind of deal with them, gave them information, or something like that. Like you said, if he joined Blackbeard it would be odd for it to be widespread. IIRC, Jinbe said that no one knows where Aokiji is or what he's doing these days.

Razh

@RobZilla:

I can't see Kuzan having joined the BB's and being an official "Titan Captain" without it being more widespread and well know.

I think the comparison between Kuzan and Shiliew is purely based on their WG pasts and not on their current status.

Kuzan is most likely doing some kind of business with the BB's, or has at least pushed to do so, leading to Burgess' comment about not trusting him because of his past, with Teach then alluding to him being shipmates with another former WG official.

I can. Maybe it's not that widespread yet. Maybe the news will appear in the next day's newspapers. You can't dismiss the possibility on account of lack of info. You know how Oda feeds us relevant informations about the world.

Anyway, it seems pretty recent, seeing how Blackbeard and Burgess talked about him. So, as I said, maybe the details about him joining will surface soon enough.

I really thought Aokiji was just going to be some kind of a secret associate, but with this latest hint, I'm almost 100% sure he's one of those 10 captains.

Thebomer93

@Medical:

So Blackbeard has 10 "Titan" captains…I wonder if that includes Blackbeard himself. If not, that means either A) Blackbeard got a new crewmate or B) Doc Q's horse is a captain XD

You think BB did a Caligula and appointed a horse to such a position can't see that been a very popular theory. No BB most likely has a new crew member, and I don't think Kuzan is one the said 10, you would have thought someone would of said something back in Punk hazard.

Razh

@Medical:

I had just thought Aokiji had made some kind of deal with them, gave them information, or something like that. Like you said, if he joined Blackbeard it would be odd for it to be widespread. IIRC, Jinbe said that no one knows where Aokiji is or what he's doing these days.

But that was yesterday. Want me to count all the things that we discovered and which have happened since Jinbei said that?

And as I said, Dofla heard some rumors so it probably means certain people (with underground connections) get a hold of information faster than general public.

Enzeru

We should really stop calling them Titan Captains, 'cause I'm imagining the wrong things here. ~.~

Razh

@kuma:

You think BB did a Caligula and appointed a horse to such a position can't see that been a very popular theory. No BB most likely has a new crew member, and I don't think Kuzan is one the said 10, you would have thought someone would of said something back in Punk hazard.

Not with the way Oda carefully hides information from us.

Luffy's mom?

Rosebullet Teacher

@Medical:

"Yucky. Go die." Sugar is so cute :wub: I want to adopt her.

I'm with you on this, I don't want her knockout to rob her of her cuteness.

NateRich

@desa:

Ussop didn't give Luffy an hard time. As soon Luffy took things seiously Ussop got down super fast. And Ussop attacks only caused light damage if any.

@kuma:

You hard of reading they said he never came close to beating luffy. which is true he gave luffy a bit of trouble at best.

Just going to keep quoting these serious people who because it's so damn amusing. Follow the quote chain and you'll find the guy I was originally mocking.

RobZilla

@Razh:

But that was yesterday. Want me to count all the things that we discovered and which have happened since Jinbei said that?

And as I said, Dofla heard some rumors so it probably means certain people (with underground connections) get a hold of information faster than general public.

If only the underground have a hold of it, then how would Gatz know BB had 10 commanders (including Aokiji)?

If an announcer in the Dressrosa arena knows it, then I'd assume someone like Jinbei would also know. He most certainly would have mentioned it when talking about the consequences of the duel between Kuzan and Sakazuki.

Gol D. Silvers

Reread the chapter.

I'm now pushing for a Jinbe - Burgess showdown in the future. Fishman Karate matched against Burgess's pseudo-Impact dial-ish attacks? Seems like a match.

Razh

@RobZilla:

If only the underground have a hold of it, then how would Gatz know BB had 10 commanders (including Aokiji)?

If an announcer in the Dressrosa arena knows it, then I'd assume someone like Jinbei would also know. He most certainly would have mentioned it when talking about the consequences of the duel between Kuzan and Sakazuki.

As I said earlier, maybe the fact Blackbeard has 10 commanders is known, but the fact one of them is Aokiji is not known (yet).

Characters won't drop that kind of information until it's time. There's been several chances for us to hear the name of 7th Shichibukai, to see his face even, but it was hidden. He's just a guy "Brandnew talked about before…"

All I'm saying is there's not enough proof to dismiss the possibility of Aokiji being a full fledged commander in BB pirates. Until there's more info, it comes down to differences in opinion. I just want to hear that it's possible Aokiji is one of those 10 captains, just like I admit that it's possible he isn't.

RobZilla

@Razh:

As I said earlier, maybe the fact Blackbeard has 10 commanders is known, but the fact one of them is Aokiji is not known (yet).

Characters won't drop that kind of information until it's time. There's been several chances for us to hear the name of 7th Shichibukai, to see his face even, but it was hidden. He's just a guy "Brandnew talked about before…"

All I'm saying is there's not enough proof to dismiss the possibility of Aokiji being a full fledged commander in BB pirates. Until there's more info, it comes down to differences in opinion. I just want to hear that it's possible Aokiji is one of those 10 captains, just like I admit that it's possible he isn't.

Well yeah, I said that I couldn't see it myself, not that it 100% wasn't true.

It would just be weird for people like Gatz to have heard of the 10 BB commanders, at least 1 of them by name, and not know that Kuzan is one.

But I digress, it is indeed possible.

peeko

@krule274:

So why does everyone forget about you when you turn into a toy? Is it just a side effect of the fruit?

theories have been stated several times mate, one guy actually explained it very well in the last page i believe. We don't know for sure yet tho. Just scroll back last page you'll see

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@MangaReader:

how do you know that the whole OP story is still another halfway to end?

i think it's from an sbs, but really not 100% sure on that one, but i did hear this pretty often

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@Bart:

His name is Monkey D. Dragon, thats it. Sabo used a Technique Called Dragon Claw, it might be a hint to a zoan, it might be just another fighting style.
Dragon has probably got a Wind Fruit or something, atleast that was what it looked like in Logue Town in the anime

Isn't ''the dragon style'' a type of martial art? like the cobra, tiger etc etc

DemonX

@Razh:

As I said earlier, maybe the fact Blackbeard has 10 commanders is known, but the fact one of them is Aokiji is not known (yet).

Characters won't drop that kind of information until it's time. There's been several chances for us to hear the name of 7th Shichibukai, to see his face even, but it was hidden. He's just a guy "Brandnew talked about before…"

All I'm saying is there's not enough proof to dismiss the possibility of Aokiji being a full fledged commander in BB pirates. Until there's more info, it comes down to differences in opinion. I just want to hear that it's possible Aokiji is one of those 10 captains, just like I admit that it's possible he isn't.

No, everything points against him being one of the captains. Otherwise they wouldn't be talking right now of not trusting him. And if he'd been a recent addition to the crew, it would be known. I mean, do you think BB mails the press that he's got a 10th Commander? Don't you think they're seen in action and then reported on? I think it would be a freaking big deal if Kuzan joined and there would be no way to keep that hid from the public.

Kuzan probably approached him for something and that's why he got in touch with Burgess.

(I know, I know, everything is possible in One Piece. But this seems so illogical to me, so I'll plain and simple say "No". If it should come to be true, then, yeah :D)

RobZilla

@peeko:

Isn't ''the dragon style'' a type of martial art? like the cobra, tiger etc etc

That's what I took from it as well.

I doubt Sabo has a DF at all.

King Cannon

@Sereques:

No, No and No. Again, the palace is not Pica. However, Pica can control the palace that is why he slammed the walls on Luffy and Zoro. If he could feel like you said, why did he appear before them to slam the walls? Why didn't he sit in his office and slam the hallway on them? He has to be there to do whatever he wants to do. There is no way he will be in Point A and attack opponent X and at the same time attack opponent Y at Point B just because both enemies are in the palace. That is not possible.

I never said that he can attack from two different places, just that he would have no problem locating anybody within the palace.

It's stupid to suggest Zoro will just tell Luffy to go on ahead when Pica can easily move through the palace and away from Zoro's reach.

Not to mention the potential traps that could be done. Luffy and Zoro fall on those all the time.

desa

@Razh:

As I said earlier, maybe the fact Blackbeard has 10 commanders is known, but the fact one of them is Aokiji is not known (yet).

Characters won't drop that kind of information until it's time. There's been several chances for us to hear the name of 7th Shichibukai, to see his face even, but it was hidden. He's just a guy "Brandnew talked about before…"

All I'm saying is there's not enough proof to dismiss the possibility of Aokiji being a full fledged commander in BB pirates. Until there's more info, it comes down to differences in opinion. I just want to hear that it's possible Aokiji is one of those 10 captains, just like I admit that it's possible he isn't.

So Jimbei and Smoker would who ignore the titan captains of Yonko Blackbeard are. And that would be ridiculous.

peeko

@Shadowgreed:

Nobody who comes in here with a crazy theory leaves this place without getting gang banged.

Yeah, that might also be the reason why Trebol was chosen to guard Sugar in the first place.
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People are so eager to find a plot hole!

I like you guys's theory, the bolded statement is highly likely imo, you fall onto the sticky stuff and then she can do what she gotta do to complete the transformation.

Razh

@DemonX:

No, everything points against him being one of the captains. Otherwise they wouldn't be talking right now of not trusting him. And if he'd been a recent addition to the crew, it would be known. I mean, do you think BB mails the press that he's got a 10th Commander? Don't you think they're seen in action and then reported on? I think it would be a freaking big deal if Kuzan joined and there would be no way to keep that hid from the public.

Kuzan probably approached him for something and that's why he got in touch with Burgess.

(I know, I know, everything is possible in One Piece. But this seems so illogical to me, so I'll plain and simple say "No". If it should come to be true, then, yeah :D)

Like I said, for the time being, it's a matter of view.

But since I like to keep my mind busy, I'd like to list the possibilities. Aside Aokiji and Stronger, that is. And assuming it's one of the characters we know, not someone new.

Let's start with Supernovas. Urouge and Capone are the only ones yet not accounted for. It could be one of them. Urouge fits more with his size, but Capone seems to be a lot meaner (with how he stabed his crewman with a fork).

It could be Crocodile or Moria. Although I have problems seeing either of them serving after another person after what they did in the past, it's possible. I guess? Again, Moria fits more with his size, but Crocodile is stronger. And Moria was shown with his pirate insignia too, so maybe it means he's still on his own.

It could be Enel. But it's not.

Maybe Arlong came back, stronger than ever. What a fun idea.

You can see by those last 2 I'm out of ideas.

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@desa:

So Jimbei and Smoker would who ignore the titan captains of Yonko Blackbeard are. And that would be ridiculous.

Again, what's the name of Luffy's mom and where is she? And who is the 7th Shichibukai?

Bond en Avant

@kouch_lee:

You know, that's a pretty damn great observation!

Could you name the attacks that are on these bottles?

I could try to name some of them, but there are a few that I can't make out.
The ones I can read are: Onigiri, Yaki Onigiri, Hyakuhachi Pondo Hou, Urutora Gari, Sanzen Sekai (Zoro's drink), Kyuutouryuu Ashura Ryuukansen (Boss Monkey's drink).
There's one that looks like Rokudou no Tsuji, and what looks like "Ren" from Rengoku Onigiri peeking out from the bottom right. The bottommost bottle, I can't really read…

parklane21

@Razh:

… Again, what's the name of Luffy's mom and where is she? And who is the 7th Shichibukai?

Please, leave Luffy's mom out of these. Seriously, Oda knows fans tend to prefer recurring characters and he's good on playing around that fact for tease.

vagabond87

@Shadowgreed:

Nobody who comes in here with a crazy theory leaves this place without getting gang banged.

Those words are the most certain truth I seen here in quite a while :getlost:

peeko

@Cteatus:

I don't usually post, and I'm usually happy to just be an observer on this particular forum, but this chapter changed things. Let me just say, I really hope that Diamante gets effed up soon. I guess this is a part of a larger theme. Before the timeskip, Doflamingo was talking such a big game. About how the New Era was going to be for the strong, and how the weak would perish, and how everything would change.

But then Doflamingo didn't do anything. In fact, I would categorize him, and excuse my French, as a bitch. He relies on the World Government for protection and the Shichibukai status, and furthermore he relies on Kaidou for protection.

As much as I hate Blackbeard and Burgess, they don't beg and grovel for protection like Doflamingo does. Doflamingo, as much as he seems to be an agent of chaos and change, is in fact a slave to status quo. He craves the protection of those infinitely better than him.

That is why I want Burgess to absolutely obliterate Diamante. That's why I want Zoro to eviscerate Pica. And that's why I can't wait for Luffy to annihilate Doflamingo. Because Doflaming doesn't deserve better.

What french mate?

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@Sereques:

He can't be in different places at same time. If he can know where others are within the palace while in combat, then that COO just eclipse that of Eneru and Aisa.

i've been wondering for a while, why do you people call enel ''eneru''? Is it a language thing?

Fraco

@Razh:

It could be Crocodile or Moria. Although I have problems seeing either of them serving after another person after what they did in the past, it's possible. I guess? Again, Moria fits more with his size, but Crocodile is stronger. And Moria was shown with his pirate insignia too, so maybe it means he's still on his own.

moria is probably a toy now

peeko

@Angelos17:

QUESTION: About Carvendish falling asleep and Hakuba taking over in his toy form; do we actually know if the toys are able to fall asleep? I don't remember any reference being made to the toys going to bed. They only return to the toy house at night (presumably to work).

http://read.powermanga.org/read/one_piece/en/0/717/page/9

So, is it feasible to expect Hakuba at all?

We don't know if toys can fall asleep yet.

Panda Bear

@Fraco:

moria is probably a toy now

Who is probably a toy now?

RobZilla

@peeko:

What french mate?

He means excuse his cursing ie the word bitch.

@peeko:

i've been wondering for a while, why do you people call enel ''eneru''? Is it a language thing?

Romanization buddy, it's how it's said out loud (phonetically).

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@Panda:

Who is probably a toy now?

So well played, sir.

peeko

@RobZilla:

He means excuse his cursing ie the word bitch.

Romanization buddy, it's how it's said out loud (phonetically).

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So well played, sir.

i Know but bitch isn't a french word tho, am I missing something lol? And thnx for the eneru answer

Razh

@Fraco:

moria is probably a toy now

Yeah… Nope. In New World Times witnesses have supposedly seen him alive. And his crewmates are sailing around spying on other pirates, selling the info as news.

I saw this toy theory couple of months ago, since there was a picture of a toy that resembles Moria. But in all honesty, how many toys have we seen that look like their real human version?

@Panda:

Who is probably a toy now?

Nice :happy:

desa

@Razh:

Like I said, for the time being, it's a matter of view.But since I like to keep my mind busy, I'd like to list the possibilities. Aside Aokiji and Stronger, that is. And assuming it's one of the characters we know, not someone new.Let's start with Supernovas. Urouge and Capone are the only ones yet not accounted for. It could be one of them. Urouge fits more with his size, but Capone seems to be a lot meaner (with how he stabed his crewman with a fork).It could be Crocodile or Moria. Although I have problems seeing either of them serving after another person after what they did in the past, it's possible. I guess? Again, Moria fits more with his size, but Crocodile is stronger. And Moria was shown with his pirate insignia too, so maybe it means he's still on his own.It could be Enel. But it's not.Maybe Arlong came back, stronger than ever. What a fun idea. You can see by those last 2 I'm out of ideas.–- Update From New Post Merge ---Again, what's the name of Luffy's mom and where is she? And who is the 7th Shichibukai?

We saw crocodile after the news about the alliance. He seems on his own.Moria seems to be doing his own stuff since Absalom is a journalist.Arlong is in prison.What does the Shichibukai or the mom have to do with that? The two were never asked about. Jimbei clearly says he doesn't know what Kuzan is doing, Smoky neither and Doflamingo only heard rumors. No reason to believe he is one of the main subordinate of the most popular guy of the new world.

RobZilla

@peeko:

i Know but bitch isn't a french word tho, am I missing something lol? And thnx for the eneru answer

It's just an expression, using "french" as a euphemism for cursing, basically.

I dunno where the guy who originally used it earlier is from, but it's used pretty commonly in Britain, at least.

ARTEMlS

When Sugar visited the Sea Train station…

http://www.mangareader.net/103-2598-13/one-piece/chapter-491.html

Razh

@desa:

We saw crocodile after the news about the alliance. He seems on his own.Moria seems to be doing his own stuff since Absalom is a journalist.Arlong is in prison.What does the Shichibukai or the mom have to do with that? The two were never asked about. Jimbei clearly says he doesn't know what Kuzan is doing, Smoky neither and Doflamingo only heard rumors. No reason to believe he is one of the main subordinate of the most popular guy of the new world.

You're no fun to discuss with. :sad:

Yes, I know all about the current situations of characters I numbered.

As for why I think Aokiji is the man, I already explained in previous posts. Don't have interest in responding to same opposing arguments again and again.

peeko

@RobZilla:

It's just an expression, using "french" as a euphemism for cursing, basically.

I dunno where the guy who originally used it earlier is from, but it's used pretty commonly in Britain, at least.

oreally, damn didn't know that thanks for the info rob

Da Funk

FYI. Sugar not aging is a caveat of her DF since kids or children and toys are correlated.

Adults keep their toys in a box. In the attic. Or sometimes donate it at Sunnyside.

DollarScholar

I hope Moria is not a Toy since i never want to see that thing again. Worse Villain than Hody Jones without the steroids. I dont think my years would endure if i have to listen to that voice again in the anime either.

Champ

@DollarScholar:

I hope Moria is not a Toy since i never want to see that thing again. Worse Villain than Hody Jones without the steroids. I dont think my years would endure if i have to listen to that voice again in the anime either.

he has good powers and used to be a badass till his entire crew was murdered in front of his eyes. That probably left some trauma. Moria's under-rated imo though his arc wasn't very good

MetaMario

@Da:

Adults keep their toys in a box. In the attic. Or sometimes donate it at Sunnyside.

Now I want to see a sheriff and spaceman toy in the Dressrosa underground.

@Champ:

Moria's under-rated imo though his arc wasn't very good

Where? He's one of the most popular characters at this forum, along with Buggy and Law.

RobZilla

@peeko:

oreally, damn didn't know that thanks for the info rob

No problem bud.

If you ever need an explanation of British slang, especially from North of the border, I'm your man.

kouch_lee

@Bond:

I could try to name some of them, but there are a few that I can't make out.
The ones I can read are: Onigiri, Yaki Onigiri, Hyakuhachi Pondo Hou, Urutora Gari, Sanzen Sekai (Zoro's drink), Kyuutouryuu Ashura Ryuukansen (Boss Monkey's drink).
There's one that looks like Rokudou no Tsuji, and what looks like "Ren" from Rengoku Onigiri peeking out from the bottom right. The bottommost bottle, I can't really read…

That's pretty awesome. So Zoro and Boss monkey are currently drinking Santoryu's secret techniques? (Well, I don't think Ashura was labeled as an "ougi" by Zoro, only Sanzen Sekai and the attack he did against the Kraken).

Thanks for the tidbit. It goes to show how much attention to detail Oda has.

DollarScholar

@MetaMario:

Now I want to see a sheriff and spaceman toy in the Dressrosa underground.

Where? He's one of the most popular characters at this forum, along with Buggy and Law.

Arent Doflamingo, Zoro and Mihawk, just to name a few obvious fan-favourites, way more popular than Moria?

RobZilla

@DollarScholar:

Arent Doflamingo, Zoro and Mihawk, just to name a few obvious fan-favourites, all more popular than Moria?

I think he was joking bud.

Have you never seen the Law hate on here?

MetaMario

@DollarScholar:

Arent Doflamingo, Zoro and Mihawk, just to name a couple obvious fan-favourites, all more popular than Moria?

Well yeah. But the tournament scene always showcases how popular Moria is here.

@RobZilla:

I think he was joking bud.

Have you never seen the Law hate on here?

There's plenty of hate, but I've seen plenty of positive reception too. Anyway-
(going back to on-topic) I'm still convinced Sugar is a little more..dangerous than just "little girl that turns people to toys". Something about her…....I dunno, I'm just getting a sadistic vibe from her.

RobZilla

@MetaMario:

Well yeah. But the tournament scene always showcases how popular Moria is here.

(going back to on-topic) I'm still convinced Sugar is a little more..dangerous than just "little girl that turns people to toys". Something about her…....I dunno, I'm just getting a sadistic vibe from her.

I get a bit of a little-girls-from-the-shining vibe from her too.

Mr. Luffy

@MetaMario:

(going back to on-topic) I'm still convinced Sugar is a little more..dangerous than just "little girl that turns people to toys". Something about her…....I dunno, I'm just getting a sadistic vibe from her.

Maybe she can turn herself into a deadly mega-toy and order herself to have superior reflexes and strength?

Captain

@Mr.:

Maybe she can turn herself into a deadly mega-toy and order herself to have superior reflexes and strength?

Definitely an interesting idea but I think that would be exactly what Breedo did with his pet pet fruit. I also get the vibe she will be a lot tougher than she seems.. But I hope she isn't because I'm very excited to see what happens when the toys revert back to their human forms and everyone gets their memory back.

Razh

@Captain:

Definitely an interesting idea but I think that would be exactly what Breedo did with his pet pet fruit. I also get the vibe she will be a lot tougher than she seems.. But I hope she isn't because I'm very excited to see what happens when the toys revert back to their human forms and everyone gets their memory back.

Well, I have a feeling things won't go exactly as planned. Sugar fainting any time soon would remove much of the suspense. There will probably be a prolonged fight.

I'm trying to imagine Usopp, Robin and dwarves vs. Sugar, Trebol and bunch of toys and henchmen and I find myself wanting to see that more than any other big name fight in this arc. It could be hillarious and awesome at the same time.

King Cannon

@MetaMario:

Well yeah. But the tournament scene always showcases how popular Moria is here.

Mostly because of Beka's memorable dedication.

It's similar to Nia and Hattori.

@MetaMario:

There's plenty of hate, but I've seen plenty of positive reception too. Anyway-
(going back to on-topic) I'm still convinced Sugar is a little more..dangerous than just "little girl that turns people to toys". Something about her…....I dunno, I'm just getting a sadistic vibe from her.

Well, she could order the toys to fight for her, so she's definitely more dangerous than that.

MetaMario

@King:

Well, she could order the toys to fight for her, so she's definitely more dangerous than that.

Yeah, especially since we'll see more elaborate toys than just stuffed bears and the like.