bellamy already had him in his grasp..any other barrier is useless..
And how's any other barrier useless? So you saying Barto can't make smaller barrier? Or is Bellamy gonna grab and punch with the same hand?
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and what this has anything to do with the fact that we said that luffy is strong even without his fruit exactly? ò_ò
he used his rubber condition to get out of there, because his rubber condition is also his power.
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she move where she was sure to take less damage,it's not a clear dodge but it seems it worked pretty well
She could not figure out the helm could protect her. she tried to avoid it and failed, why it is to hard to admit it for you??
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And how's any other barrier useless? So you saying Barto can't make smaller barrier? Or is Bellamy gonna grab and punch with the same hand?
only thing he could do was trying to throw the previously set barrier at bellamy,but if bellamy decided to wrestle him like he did with abdullah and jeet,there's nothing the barriers could do
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actually there was a team protecting elizabello..so here you have your collaboration.the power of money
True, but Barto was standing at the edge of the coliseum, they couldn't have surrounded him.
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he used his rubber condition to get out of there, because his rubber condition is also his power.
he used his rubber condition to get stuck there in the first place,then used his physical strenght to free himself
She could not figure out the helm could protect her. she tried to avoid it and failed, why it is to hard to admit it for you??
because the author,through sabo,said to us that she wasn't lucky,but she saw the attack and reacted accordingly..i would have agreed 100% with you if sabo didn't say anything..but since the author himself said she wasn't lucky..i don't really see why i should assume the opposite.
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only thing he could do was trying to throw the previously set barrier at bellamy,but if bellamy decided to wrestle him like he did with abdullah and jeet,there's nothing the barriers could do
Barto isn't jeet or Abdullah, I'm sure Barto can fight without his barrier.
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isn't that kinda the point ò_ò
we are talking about what would have happened if the fighters knew in advance about barto's powers..of course we are talking about assumptions…based on nothing , he didn't even get a hit be reasonable
Sabo = Oda at that moment, so you disagree with the writer. Umm ok!
am i on trouble for that or something ?
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Barto isn't jeet or Abdullah, I'm sure Barto can fight without his barrier.
well,since we didn't see anything in that regard,can't say i agree or disagree,we don't know how good barto is at close combat
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well,since we didn't see anything in that regard,can't say i agree or disagree,we don't know how good barto is at close combat
He beat a Vice Admiral, doesn't matter to me if the VA was a rookie or not he was still a VA, he should've been smart enough to figure out How to bypass Barto barrier like Bellamy did.
Barto knocked a fishman(Hack) out with just a kick, so yeah I think Bart is good at close combat.
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…based on nothing , he didn't even get a hit be reasonable
he didn't get hit because the fighters didn't know about his fruit,and when someone realized a countermeasure,the fight ended with the king punch.
my assumption are based on the fact that hack wouldn't have attacked barto that way if he knew that he could set up barriers,and bellamy would have done what he has done to grab him before if he knew what kind of fuit barto have.
I'm not saying that barto doens't deserve his victory..as Califa said "figuring out the power is half of the fun of fighting against a devil fruit user",just that if people knew in advance,things could have been gone differently,because poeple would have act differently -
am i on trouble for that or something ?
he described something that didn't look like as he describedNah bruh, it just proves you living in a different world.
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he used his rubber condition to get stuck there in the first place,then used his physical strenght to free himself
because the author,through sabo,said to us that she wasn't lucky,but she saw the attack and reacted accordingly..i would have agreed 100% with you if sabo didn't say anything..but since the author himself said she wasn't lucky..i don't really see why i should assume the opposite.
If Luffy weren't made of rubber far away from get himself free he could die for not getting enough air for his lungs. he totally used his gum gum power to get out of there, let's put some kairouseki and then put him in the same situation, I want to see him getting free witouth his gum gum contition.
Oda said through Dofla that she was lucky, let's believe only what it's convenient to my argument. and totally ignore and avoid what the villian says even though a lot of villians in one piece say accurate stuff all the time.
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He beat a Vice Admiral, doesn't matter to me if the VA was a rookie or not he was still a VA, he should've been smart enough to figure out How to bypass Barto barrier like Bellamy did.
Barto knocked a fishman(Hack) out with just a kick, so yeah I think Bart is good at close combat.
we don't know how he defeated the vice admiral..maybe he just barrier crushed him do death before he could do anything,or maybe the VA attacked him like hack did and got his hands turned into bloody pulp….their duel didn't last that long either,since we were near the beginning of the block when the VA defeated gambia,so it'snt like the VA had time to figure barto's power out.
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If Luffy weren't made of rubber far away from get himself free he could die for not getting enough air for his lungs. he totally used his gum gum power to get out of there, let's put some kairouseki and then put him in the same situation, I want to see him getting free witouth his gum gum contition.
dude,i really don't know what you are trying to prove anymore,I give up
Oda said through Dofla that she was lucky, let's believe only what it's convenient to my argument. and totally ignore and avoid what the villian says even though a lot of villians in one piece say accurate stuff all the time.
at this point,believe what you want,as i said,i give up.
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True, but Barto was standing at the edge of the coliseum, they couldn't have surrounded him.
they were more than a dozen,they could have detatched 3 of them from the formation to attack him,since with him on the ground,it was useless to have elizabello charging the king punch
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he didn't get hit because the fighters didn't know about his fruit,and when someone realized a countermeasure,the fight ended with the king punch.
my assumption are based on the fact that hack wouldn't have attacked barto that way if he knew that he could set up barriers,and bellamy would have done what he has done to grab him before if he knew what kind of fuit barto have.
I'm not saying that barto doens't deserve his vistory..as Califa said "figuring out the power is half of the fun of fighting against a devil fruit user",just that if people knew in advance,things could have been gone differently,because poeple would have act differentlyof course things would have gone differently , but would he lose ??!
anyway let's wrap this up .. we agree that he deserves to win , and that rebecca wasn't the strongest on her group
i'm fine with thatNah bruh, it just proves you living in a different world.
thank you , i guess
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This is entirely the same kind of stupidity that followed Sanji vs Doffy and Zoro vs purple guy.
Two almost identical scenes, that follow the same formula, that get treated like they were night and day.
Honestly, I don't think the scenes were "almost identical", although I do think some people dramatically overstate the differences. Sanji came in using the strongest attacks we've seen from him (named attacks, no less), failed to connect, brushed off one hit from Doflamingo, and then was immobilized by Doflamingo, and about to take a very-likely-fatal attack when Law saved him. Zoro came in with one sword, took an attack which momentarily took him out of the fight, overpowered it, and was ready to continue fighting. Yes, neither actually did much of anything to their opponents (aside from Sanji distracting Doflamingo long enough to save the TS), but Sanji came in at seemingly full power, and was nearly killed before someone else had to save him while Zoro came in half-assing it, and got out using his own ability. Mind you, I think Fujitora wasn't trying to kill him, either (unlike Doflamingo and Sanji), but circumstances did conspire to make Zoro look more able to stand up to Fujitora than Sanji to Doflamingo.
And how's any other barrier useless? So you saying Barto can't make smaller barrier? Or is Bellamy gonna grab and punch with the same hand?
Or he could just use the fact that he's a spring man who has grabbed onto Bartolomeo, and slam him into the ground. As much of an asskicking as Bellamy's been on the receiving end of, I think you're underestimating him when you say something to the effect of 'lol he had zero chance against Barto'. Barto won his victory fair and square, and can rightfully be called the strongest in Block B, but I don't think the gap is nearly as large as you seem to.
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Oda said through Dofla that she was lucky, let's believe only what it's convenient to my argument. and totally ignore and avoid what the villian says even though a lot of villians in one piece say accurate stuff all the time.
Wasn't the point of this chapter to show that Doflamingo is pretty wrong about anything which are happening right now ?
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well,counting that there are also space antropmorphic fox pirates its safe to assume that onepiece's moon has not the same characteristics of our's moon
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Honestly, I don't think the scenes were "almost identical", although I do think some people dramatically overstate the differences. Sanji came in using the strongest attacks we've seen from him (named attacks, no less), failed to connect, brushed off one hit from Doflamingo, and then was immobilized by Doflamingo, and about to take a very-likely-fatal attack when Law saved him. Zoro came in with one sword, took an attack which momentarily took him out of the fight, overpowered it, and was ready to continue fighting. Yes, neither actually did much of anything to their opponents (aside from Sanji distracting Doflamingo long enough to save the TS), but Sanji came in at seemingly full power, and was nearly killed before someone else had to save him while Zoro came in half-assing it, and got out using his own ability. Mind you, I think Fujitora wasn't trying to kill him, either (unlike Doflamingo and Sanji), but circumstances did conspire to make Zoro look more able to stand up to Fujitora than Sanji to Doflamingo.
well the "named attacks" rule doesn't really work here,since doflamingo used "named attacks" against sanji,while fuji did not..so if you are following this rule,sanji had more problems but against a doflamingo who was putting some effort ,while zoro had less problems but with fujitora barely trying.
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well,counting that there are also space antropmorphic fox pirates its safe to assume that onepiece's moon has not the same characteristics of our's moon
I can easily photoshoped the pic were éner kills them with a "screw antropmorphic fox pirates" but I have to go to sleep before my english gets really bad.
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well the "named attacks" rule doesn't really work here,since doflamingo used "named attacks" against sanji,while fuji did not..so if you are following this rule,sanji had more problems but against a doflamingo who was putting some effort ,while zoro had less problems but with fujitora barely trying.
Don't get me wrong, that's very likely exactly true (we've seen a few extremely powerful characters who don't seem to use named attacks, and I don't recall Fujitora using any so far, in which case we can't be sure he uses them at all, but most powerful characters do, so we can presume he probably does). But since Doflamingo and Sanji were going at each other full force, and Sanji almost immediately needed to be saved from imminent death, while Zoro (who was screwing around with 1 sword) was able to negate Fujitora's (who was also screwing around) attack.
That isn't to say it means anything about the relative strength of Zoro and Sanji, but Zoro did come out of it looking better.
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If you talking about Rebecca then NO it wasn't luck that she won. Sabo specifically said it wasn't luck.
According to other guy in here who can read Japanese but is not that good at it, Sabo actually said that it was a little bit of both luck and skill.
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What do you think about main or another branch of BB pirates appearing in this arc? Dressrosa not being too far from Marine HQ it's odd to me Akainu would let go of Burgess that easily. Especially after what BB had done two years ago. This arc could easily escalate to something on a Marineford scale battle.
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Sabo = Oda at that moment, so you disagree with the writer. Umm ok!
i just remembered that Doflamingo = Oda saying she was lucky LOL
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C3: It wasn't dumb luck
MS: Can't say it was merely luck
MP: It definitely wasn't simple luck
There was luck and Skills involved.All 3 translations are specifically not attributing it to luck (although luck may have played a role, as it does in absolutely everything).
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She's obviously not going to get it because she needs to be full of despair until she realizes that Luffy destroys Mingo and then all is well. Sabo or Jesus will be getting that fruit. If not, its going to be some outside entity that just steals it.
Been rooting for Burgess ever since the den den mushi call with Blackbeard myself.
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All 3 translations are specifically not attributing it to luck (although luck may have played a role, as it does in absolutely everything).
dumb, merely, simple luck but it was involved, I don't give a shit who doesn't agree to it but there was luck and skills and forced as fuck.
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To think it's forced is fine, nobody is going to rip on you for that.
But to say it's luck, when Oda takes precautions to stop people from claiming that, just comes of a throughly strange.
Saying nope the author doesn't know what he's talking about just befuddles me
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Some people just want to see Rebecca burn
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@Rolor:
Some people just want to see Rebecca burn
Really? I haven't seen anyone express a desire for Rebecca to get the mera mera no mi. :ninja:
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Really? I haven't seen anyone express a desire for Rebecca to get the mera mera no mi. :ninja:
Oh, you and your jokes.
But I have no desire to see her go down. She's not as bad as I find others.
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@Rolor:
Some people just want to see Rebecca burn
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exactly , that's why they call it luck
Lucky or not she´s still the winner. People need to deal with this. She won the block. The rest of the block just lost. So Rebecca==winner, rest of the block== Loosers for all intends and purposes within the Battle Royale Format.
Would you like a Blast?
100000000000000 Berries please.
Blasting Destinations: Gotham city, Jaya, central perk, E. R.
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What do you think about main or another branch of BB pirates appearing in this arc? Dressrosa not being too far from Marine HQ it's odd to me Akainu would let go of Burgess that easily. Especially after what BB had done two years ago. This arc could easily escalate to something on a Marineford scale battle.
doesn't it seem altogether too soon for another war? I think Burgess is going to get a beating and we're going to see another BB pirate fetching him.
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Lucky or not she´s still the winner. People need to deal with this. She won the block. The rest of the block just lost. So Rebecca==winner, rest of the block== Loosers for all intends and purposes within the Battle Royale Format.
Yeah, agreed. It is what is is people. It wasn't a clean victory, but a win's a win.
My interest in Cavendish/Hakuba just increased a billion percent. I want him to fight Zoro badly
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@Rolor:
Some people just want to see Rebecca burn
They're called the citizens of Dressrosa
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So who's that pirate that shows up wherever Hakuba is?
Is that next chapter going to be Luffy Zoro and Kinemon breaking in?
Usopp and Robin?
Franky's fight?
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Calling it now: At the finals, Sabo will see what a great fighter Rebecca is and ask her to join the Revolutionaries.
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Calling it now: At the finals, Sabo will see what a great fighter Rebecca is and ask her to join the Revolutionaries.
But she wouldn't accept, so that seems like a silly thing to be asked.
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didn't luffy mention rebecca having CoO? does that not confirm it?
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Obviously Rebecca can't win the tournament, but now that Luffy is out of the running I don't even believe the tournament needs to continue. In fact, I see no point in it finishing
That's pretty much what I was getting at. Given you mentioned in the post I originally quoted you in, I thought you thought that Rebecca needed to end up losing to Diamante via the tournament still, hence the response.
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The whole Haru transformation because of sleep is giving me a bad feeling. I really think is gonna Cavendish someone who just start the fight but fell asleep once it gets serious it's serious.
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she didn'd moved to be punched in the helmet, she tried her best to avoid the total atack and failed. her CoO isn't that good.
and I'm not ignoring Cavendish's sleep condition, I'm actually saying that was too ridiculous froim Oda to make Becca win.and Luffy's power are all the time activated, he's a gum gum guy, when he smashes something while using Kairouseki then you can say he can destroy buildings without his power.
Because rubber gives the power to push two building aside…............................ Ah the stupidity of some people.
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Because rubber gives the power to push two building aside…............................ Ah the stupidity of some people.
In Shonen rubber gives you the jet-speed…
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In Shonen rubber gives you the jet-speed…
that's because he pump his heart way faster than normal people thanks to his rubber heart. lucci said so.
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Lucky or not she´s still the winner. People need to deal with this. She won the block. The rest of the block just lost. So Rebecca==winner, rest of the block== Loosers for all intends and purposes within the Battle Royale Format.
rebecca is the winner .. no shit ?
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To bypass Barto's ability, grab onto him and then dig into his skin with fingernails or claws.
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@Rolor:
Some people just want to see Rebecca burn
And they'll get their wish in the second round.
I know more about One Piece than you FACT.
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In Shonen rubber gives you the jet-speed…
Not really. Being made of rubber enables Luffy's body to withstand processes necessary to achieve such speed (heart pumping up faster, veins not getting busted by it). But that does not mean that rubber grants jet speed. Speed comes from Luffy not from rubber.
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And they'll get their wish in the second round.
Hopefully my friend, hopefully.
