But Lucci ain't a sociopath, dude.
Sociopath:
a person with a psychopathic personality whose behavior is antisocial, often criminal, and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.
Sounds like Lucci, alright.
But Lucci ain't a sociopath, dude.
Sociopath:
a person with a psychopathic personality whose behavior is antisocial, often criminal, and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.
Sounds like Lucci, alright.
Sociopath:
a person with a psychopathic personality whose behavior is antisocial, often criminal, and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.Sounds like Lucci, alright.
Not to mention a ventriloquist. Creepy as hell.
Lucci evil? Hell no! He's a sociopath that chose the perfect job for him, but he was never evil.
Sociopathic serial killers aren't evil then, lol.
Lucci's- and CP9's- coverstory says otherwise. His actions aren't exactly those of a sociopath.
But everything before that suggests that he is insane and bloodthirsty. He even says so himselve. I don't think one can exuse him just because he didn't kill anybody innocent in the coverstory.
Most of the villains have either standards, people they care about, or a tragic backstory. But, there are a few pure evil villains:
@CCC:
Yeah. No. This never happened.
Well I apologize I think it was temporarily up on the OP wiki. My bad…
@Monkey:
Sociopathic serial killers aren't evil then, lol.
Lucci is definetly sociopath and enjoys killing, but he only does it with a reason, and though he may seem like a kill everyone kinda guy his coverstory showed him not killing for killing, and yes, he killed all those hostages when he was a kid but that was why they sent him there. Being a sociopath just means he is detached from the concept of good/evil, he does what he has to do.
And being a serial killer means you are a sociopath, but the other way around isn't necessarily true.
I think many people here mistake evil for unlikeable.
I think many people here mistake evil for unlikeable.
It might as well be, since it's all subjective.
Why not use the good old words of Dolfy?
! "Pirates are evil? The Marines are righteous? These terms have always changed throughout the course of history! Kids who have never seen peace and kids who have never seen war have different values! Those who stand at the top determine what's wrong and what's right! This very place is neutral ground! Justice will prevail, you say? But of course it will! Whoever wins this war becomes justice!"
! or the well voice acted version (from 1:00)
But for the point, i think only Kuro can be considered evil and even then you can find reason for his actions. (But Ussop is purely evil )
Hody is essentially Magneto. (maybe a little worse) He grew up in a world where his whole race and community was shitted on by humans, so he wants to make the world a better place for his race. I wouldn't say that his idea is rooted in justice, but it's not really rooted 100 percent in evil either. He's a guy who was forced to pretty evil means to fight against who he saw as the oppressors. (I'm writing all of this without really remembering the stuff that Hody did at the end of FI, though I think some of it can be attributed to Roid rage haha.)
I'm not saying the dude isn't evil, but he's not 100 percent.
The World Nobles, on the other hand, from what we see are raised and brought up to look down on all life but themselves as inferior and treat them as such. If they have a better side, we don't know it. The entirety of their existence is devoted to treating people in ways that we would call evil.
You are wrong in one thing, Hody didn't grew up in a world where his whole race and community was shitted on by humans! Who did that was Arlong! Hody is like Magneto's underlings or the members of X-men, that lived in a world where humanity din't still accepted his race/community, but didn't do anything to it either(Or at least the people who did something were only a few compared with the past). You can make a direct connection with Arlong -> Magneto and Jinbei -> Doctor Xavier, both of them lived in a time of oppression, but they choose totally different paths.
You are wrong in one thing, Hody didn't grew up in a world where his whole race and community was shitted on by humans! Who did that was Arlong! Hody is like Magneto underlings or the member of X-men, that lived in a world where humanity don't still accepted his race/community, but didn't do anything to it either(Or at least the people who did something is only a few compared with the past). You can make a direct connection with Arlong -> Magneto and Shinbei -> Doctor Xavier, both of them lived in a time of oppression, but they choose totally different paths.
Who the heck is Shinbei.
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Why not use the good old words of Dolfy?
Because that's a heavily flawed outlook?
Why not use the good old words of Dolfy?
! "Pirates are evil? The Marines are righteous? These terms have always changed throughout the course of history! Kids who have never seen peace and kids who have never seen war have different values! Those who stand at the top determine what's wrong and what's right! This very place is neutral ground! Justice will prevail, you say? But of course it will! Whoever wins this war becomes justice!"
! or the well voice acted version (from 1:00)
They don't really work for an out-of-universe perspective.
Sociopath:
a person with a psychopathic personality whose behavior is antisocial, often criminal, and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.Sounds like Lucci, alright.
It doesn't sound anything close to Lucci! Lucy isn't antisocial! How do you think he stayed years as an Shipwright spy? And what do you say about his relation with the other members of CP9?
He isn't a criminal! He worked in CP9 an Assassination organization from the government, so now every military soldier is a criminal? Criminal is somebody that go against the rules. You can't Kill people, isn't a rule for the members of CP9.
He doesn't lacks a sense of moral responsibility! His moral is followed by a lot of people in the government and Marines. It can be seen as evil Morals, but they are Morals nonetheless! In this Morals a strong person(not civilian but a Marine, Soldier,…) is responsible to destroy all evil. Being weak and not being a civilian is evil. So it was Lucci responsibility to kill all the weak soldiers in his flashback, he even received that as a mission.
He have a sense of social Conscience! I can't see how a person without social conscience made such a complex plan to deceive so many people, with the only reason of not get them involved. He could just have killed all people with some connection with iceberg and Franky. That would be easier and he had permission to do so. And he had a Boss in which he obeyed faithfully. He had a clearly view of his place in society and the rest of the people.
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@Monkey:
Who the heck is Shinbei.
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Because that's a heavily flawed outlook?
LOL, Jinbei! I'm gonna edit that! :P
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But everything before that suggests that he is insane and bloodthirsty. He even says so himselve. I don't think one can exuse him just because he didn't kill anybody innocent in the coverstory.
Being insane and bloodthirsty has nothing to do with Sociopath, just because one Sociopath can have those characteristics that doesn't mean other people don't have them too. All serial killers are insane and Bloodthirsty, but only a portion of them are sociopaths.
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Lucci is definetly sociopath and enjoys killing, but he only does it with a reason, and though he may seem like a kill everyone kinda guy his coverstory showed him not killing for killing, and yes, he killed all those hostages when he was a kid but that was why they sent him there. Being a sociopath just means he is detached from the concept of good/evil, he does what he has to do.
And being a serial killer means you are a sociopath, but the other way around isn't necessarily true.
What? Being a serial killer means you are a sociopath?! What? No! That is completely wrong! Being a sociopath is neither necessary nor sufficient to be a serial killer. Not all Serial Killers are Sociopaths! Not all Sociopaths are Serial Killers! Some Sociopaths didn't even killed one person.
I'm not a psychology specialist(in reality I just have common sense), but socio/psychopathy is a psychological disorder, basically is a group of psychological characteristics that a group of people have in common and this group was distinguished, and studied, due to his importance. It even exist a simple test to see if a person is either socio or psychopath.
Being a Serial killer only means you killed a lot of people in succession! It have nothing to do with the psycho of the person.
Movies and Series Love to put Socio/Psychopath serial killers, but that is just because they are interesting criminals, in reality it doesn't exist that many of them in real life(compared with the total of serial killers, of course). It just like the assassin shark/snakes/spiders movies! Each of this animals if they would eat a person, they would only need one person each month(or even less. For reference, when an Anaconda eats an antilope it only needs to eat after half a year), but in the movies they eat a lot of people. That is just an exaggeration.
It doesn't sound anything close to Lucci! Lucy isn't antisocial! How do you think he stayed years as an Shipwright spy? And what do you say about his relation with the other members of CP9?
He isn't a criminal! He worked in CP9 an Assassination organization from the government, so now every military soldier is a criminal? Criminal is somebody that go against the rules. You can't Kill people, isn't a rule for the members of CP9.
He doesn't lacks a sense of moral responsibility! His moral is followed by a lot of people in the government and Marines. It can be seen as evil Morals, but they are Morals nonetheless! In this Morals a strong person(not civilian but a Marine, Soldier,…) is responsible to destroy all evil. Being weak and not being a civilian is evil. So it was Lucci responsibility to kill all the weak soldiers in his flashback, he even received that as a mission.
He have a sense of social Conscience! I can't see how a person without social conscience made such a complex plan to deceive so many people, with the only reason of not get them involved. He could just have killed all people with some connection with iceberg and Franky. That would be easier and he had permission to do so. And he had a Boss in which he obeyed faithfully. He had a clearly view of his place in society and the rest of the people.--- Update From New Post Merge ---
LOL, Jinbei! I'm gonna edit that! :P
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Being insane and bloodthirsty has nothing to do with Sociopath, just because one Sociopath can have those characteristics that doesn't mean other people don't have them too. All serial killers are insane and Bloodthirsty, but only a portion of them are sociopaths.
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What? Being a serial killer means you are a sociopath?! What? No! That is completely wrong! Being a sociopath is neither necessary nor sufficient to be a serial killer. Not all Serial Killers are Sociopaths! Not all Sociopaths are Serial Killers! Some Sociopaths didn't even killed one person.
I'm not a psychology specialist(in reality I just have common sense), but socio/psychopathy is a psychological disorder, basically is a group of psychological characteristics that a group of people have in common and this group was distinguished, and studied, due to his importance. It even exist a simple test to see if a person is either socio or psychopath.
Being a Serial killer only means you killed a lot of people in succession! It have nothing to do with the psycho of the person.
Movies and Series Love to put Socio/Psychopath serial killers, but that is just because they are interesting criminals, in reality it doesn't exist that many of them in real life(compared with the total of serial killers, of course). It just like the assassin shark/snakes/spiders movies! Each of this animals if they would eat a person, they would only need one person each month(or even less. For reference, when an Anaconda eats an antilope it only needs to eat after half a year), but in the movies they eat a lot of people. That is just an exaggeration.
stay away from HANNIBAL
What? Being a serial killer means you are a sociopath?! What? No! That is completely wrong! Being a sociopath is neither necessary nor sufficient to be a serial killer. Not all Serial Killers are Sociopaths! Not all Sociopaths are Serial Killers! Some Sociopaths didn't even killed one person.
I'm not a psychology specialist(in reality I just have common sense), but socio/psychopathy is a psychological disorder, basically is a group of psychological characteristics that a group of people have in common and this group was distinguished, and studied, due to his importance. It even exist a simple test to see if a person is either socio or psychopath.
Being a Serial killer only means you killed a lot of people in succession! It have nothing to do with the psycho of the person.
Movies and Series Love to put Socio/Psychopath serial killers, but that is just because they are interesting criminals, in reality it doesn't exist that many of them in real life(compared with the total of serial killers, of course). It just like the assassin shark/snakes/spiders movies! Each of this animals if they would eat a person, they would only need one person each month(or even less. For reference, when an Anaconda eats an antilope it only needs to eat after half a year), but in the movies they eat a lot of people. That is just an exaggeration.
Being a serial killer necessarily means you are a sociopath. Not all sociopaths are serial killers because it has many levels. A serial killer believes he isn't wrong/evil, and that dissociation with this concept is part of being a sociopath. Someone who kills a lot of people is just a murderer. A serial killer is more than that, he kills because he has to, because it's part of his pathology. A psycopath is quite different. Also, you need to understand that the human mind isn't black and white. You can have sociopath traits but still appear to be "normal".
And if you just have the common sense feel free to google it or visit wikipedia to know more.
It doesn't sound anything close to Lucci! Lucy isn't antisocial! How do you think he stayed years as an Shipwright spy? And what do you say about his relation with the other members of CP9?
You know sociopaths/serial killers are perfectly able to simulate a social personality in order to blend with society, right? Why do you think a bunch of seemingly normal people end up being serial killers?
Do you think all sociopaths/serial killers are shut-ins or something?
He isn't a criminal! He worked in CP9 an Assassination organization from the government, so now every military soldier is a criminal? Criminal is somebody that go against the rules. You can't Kill people, isn't a rule for the members of CP9.
It's not about him being a criminal or not. It's about his reasoning being criminal. Read the definition again.
"Criminal" is not exclusively a noun.
He doesn't lacks a sense of moral responsibility! His moral is followed by a lot of people in the government and Marines. It can be seen as evil Morals, but they are Morals nonetheless! In this Morals a strong person(not civilian but a Marine, Soldier,…) is responsible to destroy all evil. Being weak and not being a civilian is evil.
From a real life perspective, he is immoral.
There is no point in discussing whether one has or lacks moral responsibility from an in-universe perspective, as morals in the OP world are very screwed up due to the incredibly corrupt and authoritarian government.
So it was Lucci responsibility to kill all the weak soldiers in his flashback, he even received that as a mission.
That just proves that the WG is as bad as Lucci, then.
He have a sense of social Conscience! I can't see how a person without social conscience made such a complex plan to deceive so many people, with the only reason of not get them involved. He could just have killed all people with some connection with iceberg and Franky. That would be easier and he had permission to do so. And he had a Boss in which he obeyed faithfully. He had a clearly view of his place in society and the rest of the people.
Killing more people than necessary would be a bad move, though. Assassinating people while not letting the general population know about it isn't easy. Remember when Jabra complained about Fukurou because his endless talking ended up raising the amount of people they had to kill in a particular mission?
And being a sociopath doesn't prevent one from being intelligent. In fact, some sociopaths can spend their entire lives deceiving people.
Being a serial killer necessarily means you are a sociopath. Not all sociopaths are serial killers because it has many levels. A serial killer believes he isn't wrong/evil, and that dissociation with this concept is part of being a sociopath. Someone who kills a lot of people is just a murderer. A serial killer is more than that, he kills because he has to, because it's part of his pathology. A psycopath is quite different. Also, you need to understand that the human mind isn't black and white. You can have sociopath traits but still appear to be "normal".
And if you just have the common sense feel free to google it or visit wikipedia to know more.
Ok, so I searched, not in wikipedia, to explain to you that what you're saying make little to no sense. I found this good article.
So let's see the definitions:
Serial Killer
Serial killings.— The term “serial killings” means a series of three or more killings, not less than one of which was committed within the United States, having common characteristics such as to suggest the reasonable possibility that the crimes were committed by the same actor or actors.
Serial killings involve multiple killings, events, and locations, plus a cooling off period between killings.
Sociopath/Antisocial personality Disorder
official psychiatric diagnosis is antisocial personality disorder (APD). This term replaced "sociopath" and only applies if (link):A. There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three (or more) of the following:
(1) failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest
(2) deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure
(3) impulsivity or failure to plan ahead
(4) irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults
(5) reckless disregard for safety of self or others
(6) consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations
(7) lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from anotherB. The individual is at least age 18 years.
C. There is evidence of Conduct Disorder with onset before age 15 years.
D. The occurrence of antisocial behavior is not exclusively during the course of Schizophrenia or a Manic Episode.
And the conclusion is
A 2005 study published in The Journal of Clinical Pyschiatry (link) found that about 3.6% of Americans will be diagnosed with APD sometime during their lives. Of course, not everyone with APD is a serial killer, for which I guess we should be grateful, and not all serial killers have APD.
^ Lucci easily fits symptoms 2, 4, 5 and 7 by the way.
Lucci is a serial killer who used to have government approval, I thought his small flashback made this obvious.
You know sociopaths/serial killers are perfectly able to simulate a social personality in order to blend with society, right? Why do you think a bunch of seemingly normal people end up being serial killers?
Do you think all sociopaths/serial killers are shut-ins or something?
First! Being a Serial Killer and Sociopaths is not related in any way! I'm only talking of Lucci not being a Sociopath not a serial Killer. He killed by orders of the government, so he isn't a Serial Killer!
Being Sociopath is having an antisocial disorder, Sociopath is only a alias of the real name "Antisocial personality disorder". So being a sociopath and simulating it, makes no sense. If you can simulate you don't have the disorder during an interval of time, than for that interval of time you don't have that disorder. Probably what you're trying to say is that is possible for people not to notice he have that disorder, but that have nothing to do with simulation, just means people aren't experts in recognizing personalities nor the disorder.
It's not about him being a criminal or not. It's about his reasoning being criminal. Read the definition again.
"Criminal" is not exclusively a noun.
From a real life perspective, he is immoral.
It have everything about being against the law! And nothing about being immoral! What is being immoral? That is not well defined, so it would be hard to define somebody with that.
(1) failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest
There is no point in discussing whether one has or lacks moral responsibility from an in-universe perspective, as morals in the OP world are very screwed up due to the incredibly corrupt and authoritarian government.
That just proves that the WG is as bad as Lucci, then.
Lacks of moral responsibility means:
(2) deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure
or/and
(5) reckless disregard for safety of self or others
or/and
(7) lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another
The only thing I see him having is the last, lack of remorse, but that is probable because of his training and probable only for the targets in his missions.
Killing more people than necessary would be a bad move, though. Assassinating people while not letting the general population know about it isn't easy. Remember when Jabra complained about Fukurou because his endless talking ended up raising the amount of people they had to kill in a particular mission?
And being a sociopath doesn't prevent one from being intelligent. In fact, some sociopaths can spend their entire lives deceiving people.
Being reckless disregarding his and others safety. Being consistently irresponsible. Being impulsive and failing to plan ahead. This are sociopath traits, that make a person to be seen as not intelligent. A Person only needs to have three sociopath traits to be seen as Sociopath so is possible for one to not have none of the referred, but the fact that Lucci don't have any of those, make it less probable that he is one.
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@Cyan:
Lucci is a serial killer who used to have government approval, I thought his small flashback made this obvious.
That only makes him a mass murderer, not a serial killer! To be a serial killer he needs to have killed more than three people, each one in different events and the kills need to have an interval of time between each other. Well he is a member of an assassin organization, so is obvious that he can be considered a serial killer, but that is part of his work and not made by wish/pleasure nor criminal.
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^ Lucci easily fits symptoms 2, 4, 5 and 7 by the way.
He doesn't fit in the number 2, because he makes that for his Job, not for pleasure or profit.
He doesn't fit in the number 4, because he isn't irritable nor aggressive(the only time he showed this two feelings was against that CP 9 newbie). The fights he entered were because of his job and not because of him.
He doesn't fit in the number 5, because he was never reckless nor disregarded the safety of other. You're not really talking about the safety of his targets, right? That would be totally retarded.
He doesn't fit in the number 7 either. Like the 5, I hope you're not talking about remorse of his targets. If his going to have remorse for every people he kills or hurts than he would already committed suicide.
The traits have to do with personality and not about other things like work. Mercenaries, Professional assassins and soldiers aren't Sociopaths, at least the majority of them.
Lucci himself admitted that he joined the WG in order to be able to legally kill people. Stop trying to use the "only following orders" excuse.
Most of your argument is based on the assumption that Lucci only kills because it's his job. That's wrong.
Here's a thought: who cares?
@krule274:
Here's a thought: who cares?
Someone has to defend the integrity of these fictional characters :(
Always saw Spandam as someone with a too big ambition. NOt really an evil person just a bad guy.
I don't consider Lucci evil cause he's just doing his job plus the fact he take care of evil.
Wow we need a new chapter ASAP if topics have become so off topic hahaha
Wow we need a new chapter ASAP if topics have become so off topic hahaha
It's at least an interesting off-topic derail. Mods are more lax when there's a, let's say, minimally eventful chapter.
@krule274:
Here's a thought: who cares?
The people who might take an interest in it. It's a hell of a lot more interesting than Haki to me.
The people who might take an interest in it. It's a hell of a lot more interesting than Haki to me.
You've got a point there. My bad, continue.
I think most of the villians are more corrupt than evil no?
I think most of the villians are more corrupt than evil no?
More than corrupt and evil they are ugly!!
we should talk about who's the ugliest villain?? I mean, just look at Moria. he´ll never get married for sure.
Holy shit, it feels like several of you have recently picked up Dexter or Hannibal and think they know everything about sociopaths.
Next thing you tell me is that someone who doesn't have friends at school is a sociopath, not simply a loser.
I don't even know where to begin on how wrong some of you are, I'm mainly pointing to IlanZ while Bigivel is actually right on most of his statements, I'm impressed.
Always saw Spandam as someone with a too big ambition. NOt really an evil person just a bad guy.
I don't consider Lucci evil cause he's just doing his job plus the fact he take care of evil.
Spandam tore apart a family and framed an innocent man for his own personal gain. Lucci is a sadist who takes every opportunity in he can to hurt people (either physically or verbally). They're evil.
Lucci himself admitted that he joined the WG in order to be able to legally kill people. Stop trying to use the "only following orders" excuse.
Most of your argument is based on the assumption that Lucci only kills because it's his job. That's wrong.
But does that make him evil? Sure he enjoys his job a little more than is healthy, but killing people is WHAT HE'S SUPPOSED TO DO. He gets to do what he likes, and thinks that he's doing the right thing since he's killing the enemies of the world government, like an overly enthusiastic James Bond.
He's basically only as evil as his job, which while still pretty bad, puts him firmly next to Arlong in terms of "Villains who are complete dicks but not totally evil". He's not Crocodile, Enel, Spandam, or Hody level evil though. Hell, he even had a positive cover-story with the rest of CP9.
But does that make him evil? Sure he enjoys his job a little more than is healthy, but killing people is WHAT HE'S SUPPOSED TO DO. He gets to do what he likes, and thinks that he's doing the right thing since he's killing the enemies of the world government, like an overly enthusiastic James Bond.
I don't really understand that attitude as I think that no matter what killing a person is not acceptable unless it is selfdefense. So even if he does the killing on orders of the Government he still enjoys it and is therfore evil and I think that no government has the right to kill people so the orders are inheritly evil too.
this chapter was really good!
the tournament is really exciting. seriously i thought that in block c the only dangerous enemy is luffy. but now Oda introduced a lot of dangerous guys like ideo, jean and maybe the funk brothers.
i think most of them will be re appear characters just like from the other blocks participants.
only 1 thing i missed in this chapter and that is the green bit trio. i really wanna know what will happen to those but we won't know this for some weeks…. maybe we'll know it after the c block.
Just bumping in to say that I don't recall Lucci joining the Government for killing people. We saw him being trained to be a CP9 member since he was a child.
He definitely said that he was only in the CP9 because he was allowed to kill people there.
And he's a bloody ventriloquist, the guy screams psycopathic murderer.
I to remember him saying he was in cp9 because he was allowed to kill.
So Lucci has some serious bloodlust. He could have killed innocents to slake this addiction of his but instead he becomes part of CP9 and kills people that the government deems have to die.
That to me doesn't suggest true evil.
If a man feels the need to kill, joins the army and killls people while serving his country does that make him evil? I don't think so anyway.
this chapter was really good!
the tournament is really exciting. seriously i thought that in block c the only dangerous enemy is luffy. but now Oda introduced a lot of dangerous guys like ideo, jean and maybe the funk brothers.
i think most of them will be re appear characters just like from the other blocks participants.only 1 thing i missed in this chapter and that is the green bit trio. i really wanna know what will happen to those but we won't know this for some weeks…. maybe we'll know it after the c block.
Let's think about block D
I ( and we ) can afirm that the probably strong characters are Rebbeca , Cabbage , Maybee Suleiman , But off course there will be more strong characters ( like blue gilly or Jean ango ) , some off the less known characters will make surprise
Let's think about block D
I ( and we ) can afirm that the probably strong characters are Rebbeca , Cabbage , Maybee Suleiman , But off course there will be more strong characters ( like blue gilly or Jean ango ) , some off the less known characters will make surprise
We actually do'nt know how strong rebecca might be or if at all. Additionally, i think oda will introduce strong characters during block D just like in C. More importantly though, i hope oda understands that after Block C he should go on something else before continuing to D since there are so many things happening in DR simultaneously he can't ignore that for long. Heck, i bet Oda will end a new thing since all of the things going up aren't enough for him…
Why not use the good old words of Dolfy?
! "Pirates are evil? The Marines are righteous? These terms have always changed throughout the course of history! Kids who have never seen peace and kids who have never seen war have different values! Those who stand at the top determine what's wrong and what's right! This very place is neutral ground! Justice will prevail, you say? But of course it will! Whoever wins this war becomes justice!"
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I don't think a The Japanese Joker is a good role model…..
My main interest in Block D are Orlumbus and Acilia. I hope they don't go down in 2 panels like Hajrudin (at least I chose well my favorite in group B).
Even though I am rooting for Cavendish, I am not quite interested in swordsmen fighting style in OP… it just seem kinda generic whoever the swordsman is.
@Monkey:
I don't think a The Japanese Joker is a good role model…..
Are you kidding? Just look at him! He is a perfect role model for anyone who wants to look great, flashy and intimidating at the same time.
!
The glasses, the coat, the shirt, the pants, THE SHOES, and the smile that can decide an era. (if you can see what i did there) He is one accessory away from being Aesthetically over powered and now he is so "i don't give a damn" attitude (except a certain someone) that he wins you over as an enemy with a handshake.
But seriously, while he might not be a moral role model (though we still don't know enough about him) he has a good point in his words and it is hard to counter them.
But seriously, while he might not be a moral role model (though we still don't know enough about him) he has a good point in his words and it is hard to counter them.
No that's a pretty dumb quote, generally said by sullen teenagers.
Am iI the only expecting Rebecca to just be a strong fodder(having an hard taking on multiple fodder)?
So Lucci has some serious bloodlust. He could have killed innocents to slake this addiction of his but instead he becomes part of CP9 and kills people that the government deems have to die.
**That to me doesn't suggest true evil.
If a man feels the need to kill, joins the army and killls people while serving his country does that make him evil? I don't think so** anyway.
If Lucci wasn't evil and just used the service as you suggest here, he would have only have killed the pirates in that even when he was 13. Someone evil (9in my view) would kill the pirates AND the hostages.
What I am referring to is when he was 13, a group of pirates were holding some 500 soldiers of a kingdom hostage and demanded the pirate captain be named king. The Govt sent Lucci to deal with the pirates. Lucci not only killed the pirates, he decided the soldiers were weak so killed all 500 hostages as well.
f a man feels the need to kill, joins the army and killls people while serving his country does that make him evil?
For the country he serves? Most likely no.
For the opposing country? Most likely yes.