No he doesn't. There are tons of impersonators though lol
Naruto and Bleach II: I don't have the heart to care anymore.
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I guess when you work as hard as Oda you don't have time to be on twitter.
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"If you think you have the talent to draw something more interesting than Bleach,
then you should become a manga artist immediately. If your work is good, it'll
be more successful than Bleach. If you can't draw, then work hard to become an
editor, and give advices to manga artists. If you really have the talent,
you'll be welcomed wherever you go."This part is so wrong it's not even funny. Any serious study of people who have become wildly successful (read: To the point of becoming highly famous/making far above the average) almost always involves a strong component of luck. Luck coming in the form of chance meetings with highly influential people, and incredible timing for whatever the person eventually becomes famous for. All of that is in addition to the base requirements of needing talent + hard work to succeed.
Hard work and talent (of the academic type anyways) can eventually guarantee you a job ranging from $75,000-$250,000 depending on the chosen profession and amount of time in the profession. It's a fairly straightforward formula that's available to everyone. However, certain fields, notably ones related to particular types of entertainment level talent (singing, acting, modeling, musicians/bands and in this case manga artist) can't be navigated by pure talent and hard work alone. For every manga artist at Kubo's level of success, there's undoubtedly been thousands of others with similar (or greater) levels of talent that weren't nearly as lucky.
The fact that Kubo doesn't realize how fortunate he was along the way and simply attributes everything to himself (while simultaneously taking a shit on anyone who's in his field that didn't hit that level) is a remarkable combination of ignorance and arrogance.
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And I like that he says that pandering to the readers is a bad thing. I mean, shallow surface level stuff like Hitsugaya, yeah. But if your readers want a good story and you give them that, is that pandering to your readers? Apparently so because Kubo has too much integrity to pander to his readers' desire for a good story.
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@Zp1:
This part is so wrong it's not even funny. Any serious study of people who have become wildly successful (read: To the point of becoming highly famous/making far above the average) almost always involves a strong component of luck. Luck coming in the form of chance meetings with highly influential people, and incredible timing for whatever the person eventually becomes famous for. All of that is in addition to the base requirements of needing talent + hard work to succeed.
Hard work and talent (of the academic type anyways) can eventually guarantee you a job ranging from $75,000-$250,000 depending on the chosen profession and amount of time in the profession. It's a fairly straightforward formula that's available to everyone. However, certain fields, notably ones related to particular types of entertainment level talent (singing, acting, modeling, musicians/bands and in this case manga artist) can't be navigated by pure talent and hard work alone. For every manga artist at Kubo's level of success, there's undoubtedly been thousands of others with similar (or greater) levels of talent that weren't nearly as lucky.
The fact that Kubo doesn't realize how fortunate he was along the way and simply attributes everything to himself (while simultaneously taking a shit on anyone who's in his field that didn't hit that level) is a remarkable combination of ignorance and arrogance.
Keep in mind that manga editors do look over pretty much every manga that gets submitted to them.
There's luck in anywhere, but manga field is less reliant than most.Talent does indeed weight a sizable chunk of whether or not your work is recognized by the editor.
Luck comes in factor more later when you start your serialization. You never know what sticks and what doesn't with the readers.Now, keep in mind the manga industry is always competing for new talents with each other.
Shuueisha, Shogakukan, Kodansha, etc. That's why they WILL read your work and assess your value.
There's no "connection" or "meeting the right people" to get you involved with the editors.
It's not like a script writer for Hollywood, where your work has a good chance to not even be looked at.
With the manga industry, the actual editors working with mangaka will read your work. Just like in Bakuman.If you have the talent, and one company turns you down for whatever reason (the editor didn't see the value in you),
you can always have another person in another publisher see it.
To give you an example, that's how Shingeki no Kyojin got serialized.
The artist took it to Shuueisha first, but the editor deemed the story not viable for Jump.
Instead of trying to edit his work to fit Jump, he took it to Koudansha, and they gave him serialization in one of their seasonal magazines.
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Keep in mind that manga editors do look over pretty much every manga that gets submitted to them.
There's luck in anywhere, but manga field is less reliant than most.Talent does indeed weight a sizable chunk of whether or not your work is recognized by the editor.
Luck comes in factor more later when you start your serialization. You never know what sticks and what doesn't with the readers.Now, keep in mind the manga industry is always competing for new talents with each other.
Shuueisha, Shogakukan, Kodansha, etc. That's why they WILL read your work and assess your value.
There's no "connection" or "meeting the right people" to get you involved with the editors.
It's not like a script writer for Hollywood, where your work has a good chance to not even be looked at.
With the manga industry, the actual editors working with mangaka will read your work. Just like in Bakuman.If you have the talent, and one company turns you down for whatever reason (the editor didn't see the value in you),
you can always have another person in another publisher see it.
To give you an example, that's how Shingeki no Kyojin got serialized.
The artist took it to Shuueisha first, but the editor deemed the story not viable for Jump.
Instead of trying to edit his work to fit Jump, he took it to Koudansha, and they gave him serialization in one of their seasonal magazines.And it's been doing tremendously well hasn't it ?
And Jump has canceled how many new series in the weekly mag since ?
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Some interesting quotes from the past:
"Sometimes I see some kids who just don't get it, so let me explain.
Readers don't have the right to change the story they read.
The right they hold is the choice to read the story or not.
If you don't like it, stop reading.""If you think you have the talent to draw something more interesting than Bleach,
then you should become a manga artist immediately. If your work is good, it'll
be more successful than Bleach. If you can't draw, then work hard to become an
editor, and give advices to manga artists. If you really have the talent,
you'll be welcomed wherever you go.""To pander to the readers, partially or wholly, is the same thing as
shoving responsibility to the readers. If you make someone pay for a
work you don't fully believe it to be good, that's a fraud.
That's how I feel"- Kubo Tite on his Twitter
You know, funny thing is, I actually agree with him.
I just don't think he realizes how much he sucks.What prompted him to tweet that
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I actually like this guy's tweets, it's a lot more fun to read than some mangaka who dramaqueen and bitch about their peers' works.
Which mangaka are those?
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Some interesting quotes from the past:
"Sometimes I see some kids who just don't get it, so let me explain.
Readers don't have the right to change the story they read.
The right they hold is the choice to read the story or not.
If you don't like it, stop reading.""If you think you have the talent to draw something more interesting than Bleach,
then you should become a manga artist immediately. If your work is good, it'll
be more successful than Bleach. If you can't draw, then work hard to become an
editor, and give advices to manga artists. If you really have the talent,
you'll be welcomed wherever you go.""To pander to the readers, partially or wholly, is the same thing as
shoving responsibility to the readers. If you make someone pay for a
work you don't fully believe it to be good, that's a fraud.
That's how I feel"- Kubo Tite on his Twitter
You know, funny thing is, I actually agree with him.
I just don't think he realizes how much he sucks.I think anyone could do that (except maybe Kishimoto)
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I think anyone could do that (except maybe Kishimoto)
You're joking right? Kishimoto can actually draw (when he tries).
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About as many times as a Kamehameha. Or a rasengan… unless we're counting movies.
The Kamehameha killed Cell
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Yeah Draw, noticed he didn't say tell a story.
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You're joking right? Kishimoto can actually draw (when he tries).
Hell he can even write (when his magical eye/wood fetish isn't at it's peak)
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Kishi is a pretty good writer (assuming it was him that wrote the earlier part of Naruto) and artist (when he tries like with the Jojo tribute work). Naturally Naruto's quality has declined mostly due to his disinterest in it and laziness.
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Most accurate visual rep of naruto
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@Cyan:
Most accurate visual rep of naruto
No, the most accurate visual rep of Naruto is on the final post.
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@Cyan:
Most accurate visual rep of naruto
(now commence your nightmares)
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^ I've seen a few cosplayers like that. It's great to see a tribute was drawn in their name.
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@No:
And it's been doing tremendously well hasn't it ?
And Jump has canceled how many new series in the weekly mag since ?
Well, considering that the alternative is them going unnoticed, yeah.
Jump's ruthless competition actually works pretty well.Shuueisha gets the most amount of aspiring mangakas because, well, they have the biggest circulation magazine.
And they have been criticized for "using up young talents", but hey, it's a competitive world.Some of those young artists feel crushed and never seen again, but others will carry on and bring their work elsewhere.
There's plenty of artists that moved publishers and became successful on their second, third try.Hell, Magi artist is one. And she just hit stardom.
I bet Square/Enix is banging their heads in the wall right now, they lost someone who had the potential to be their next FMA.What prompted him to tweet that
Probably just a batch of hate tweets and letters.
Kubo occasionally responds defensively to them.Which mangaka are those?
There are plenty out there, but the hot topic last year was Kurogane's artist talking shit about other Jump manga on his tweets.
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Well, considering that the alternative is them going unnoticed, yeah.
Jump's ruthless competition actually works pretty well.Shuueisha gets the most amount of aspiring mangakas because, well, they have the biggest circulation magazine.
And they have been criticized for "using up young talents", but hey, it's a competitive world.Some of those young artists feel crushed and never seen again, but others will carry on and bring their work elsewhere.
There's plenty of artists that moved publishers and became successful on their second, third try.Hell, Magi artist is one. And she just hit stardom.
I bet Square/Enix is banging their heads in the wall right now, they lost someone who had the potential to be their next FMA.I seriously love your informative posts about Japan and the manga industry, Aohige. The stories of second, third tries succeeding are encouraging.
So glad Magi's author is becoming successful. Totally deserves it.I know I've said it before, but I really consider Magi close to One Piece's level. I re-thought it and sorted it out in my head, and while on my "list" it's a few tiers below One Piece, it's still near the very top.
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The stories of second, third tries succeeding are encouraging.
"Some of those young artists feel crushed and never seen again,"
About as encouraging as watching baby sea turtles attempt to make it to the ocean.
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"Some of those young artists feel crushed and never seen again,"
About as encouraging as watching baby sea turtles attempt to make it to the ocean.
Yeah, I'm aware of how hard it is for starving artists, haha.
I was simply saying it's encouraging in reference to series like the aborted Sensei No Bulge.
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"Some of those young artists feel crushed and never seen again,"
About as encouraging as watching baby sea turtles attempt to make it to the ocean.
I actually don't feel too sorry.
You got your try at the big league in WSJ, and you got crushed.
It sucks, but the fact is, odds were against you.
Many of the greatest manga artists met these obsticles early in their career, not everyone is Oda.Brush it off, learn from your failures, and upp your game.
If WSJ seems like a too fierce a battleground, take your game to where it would fit.
There are literally hundreds of manga magazines in print.The problem with a lot of these young artists is, they have disproportionate amount of pride.
"I can't fail, I'm too good!" And when they do fail, they become emotionally destroyed.Yeah, I'm aware of how hard it is for starving artists, haha.
I was simply saying it's encouraging in reference to series like the aborted Sensei No Bulge.
Considering how volume 1 sold like shit, WSJ made the right choice.
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I seriously love your informative posts about Japan and the manga industry, Aohige. The stories of second, third tries succeeding are encouraging.
So glad Magi's author is becoming successful. Totally deserves it.Have u read Bakuman? If not, u should definitely check it out. While one might argue about the overall quality of the manga itself, none will argue about the insight it gives u to the world of mangakas and the manga industry in Japan
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Have u read Bakuman? If not, u should definitely check it out. While one might argue about the overall quality of the manga itself, none will argue about the insight it gives u to the world of mangakas and the manga industry in Japan
Not yet, it's on my list. I'll get to it soon enough, I'm reading only ongoing series right now until I catch up on all of them. Won't take too long, a few months maybe.
I may prioritize it though, because knowledge about the manga industry is something I've always been interested in and I'd love the insight.
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Aoi Honō (blue flame) is even more awesome as far as insight goes.
Simple reason for that being, it's a self-biography of Shimamoto's life and career as a manga artist.And all the characters are real people.
He constantly takes jabs at famous artists by being dead honest on how he felt about them when he was younger,
which often gets hilarious reactions from those artists (they usually take it with great sense of humor.
People like Adachi Mitsuru, Takahashi Rumiko, Anno Hideaki, etc)It's hilarious, he can get away with it because he's Shimamoto. Shimamoto is so loved and respected by his peers.
If it was some arrogant rookie, it probably wouldn't be the same.!
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I love how the last page had nothing to do with either Bleach or Naruto and everyone's okay with that (me too) :ninja:
Though, a new thread's gonna start up soon…..I wonder if there's anyone here who would actualy support to bring back the seperate threads for a third time now ? Simply because yeah, there's realy nothing gained by this discussion taking place in the same area, other then people dividing up their posts to talk about them seperately.
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@No:
I love how the last page had nothing to do with either Bleach or Naruto and everyone's okay with that (me too) :ninja:
Though, a new thread's gonna start up soon…..I wonder if there's anyone here who would actualy support to bring back the seperate threads for a third time now ? Simply because yeah, there's realy nothing gained by this discussion taking place in the same area, other then people dividing up their posts to talk about them seperately.
With Naruto's "I don't care anymore" I don't think this thread can be separated anymore.
They are like two rivers that have met and can never be distinct again. At every turn in one you'd have to make a comparison to the other.
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Except we don't ever do that. At most it amounts to a statement of "Naruto was less shit than Bleach this week" or vice versa. The thread title is the only "crossover" thing thats put any time into.
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I hate to sound like I'm repeating myself all the time, but, well, I'm always told to "wait" and see how these two will work together.
Now we're at the end of a second thread and I have yet to see that manifest itself in anyway. And besides, how do you define this ? Does including one comparison in one paragraph of one post twenty pages back realy make this a necessity ? Because I honestly can't see the supposedly obvious hit-you-in-the-face totaly logical reason that makes these threads merged result in the discussion being automaticaly better.
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@The:
Except we don't ever do that. At most it amounts to a statement of "Naruto was less shit than Bleach this week" or vice versa.
Exactly! We actually find POSITIVE things to say!
When it's two separate threads, it's ultimately checking two different threads just to see the exact same style of complaining, and the conversation grinds to a stop eventually after repeating itself for the umpteenth time. When both series are together, there's actually an occasional "Well, this was better than that this week" with a listing of highlights and positives.
Whereas when they're separate they just get complained about.
No one writes direct essays that pull them both together in the same paragraph, but having the comparison does prompt some effort at finding a positive in the chapters, if only to be "not as bad" as their brethren. Not so much lately because both series have been incredibly bad, but…
Plus, it keeps the thread mostly on topic and interesting throughout the week, instead of having 5 hours of discussion followed by 7 days of bitching and/or silence. Keeps it fresh. They compliment each other so well. (And neither of them deserves their own thread, taking up precious forum inches.)
Also, No Ma'am seems to really want the threads to stay together, so for his sake we'll keep them merged!
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I for one have gotten used to the thread fusion and really enjoy it.
And would the only real way Naruto and Bleach get their own seperate threads back if they go back to the quality they had at the beginning? Which would be unlikely all of sudden, but that's how I see it.
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@RobbyBevard:
Exactly! We actually find POSITIVE things to say!
When it's two separate threads, it's ultimately checking two different threads just to see the exact same style of complaining, and the conversation grinds to a stop eventually after repeating itself for the umpteenth time. When both series are together, there's actually an occasional "Well, this was better than that this week" with a listing of highlights and positives.
Whereas when they're separate they just get complained about.
No one writes direct essays that pull them both together in the same paragraph, but having the comparison does prompt some effort at finding a positive in the chapters, if only to be "not as bad" as their brethren. Not so much lately because both series have been incredibly bad, but…
Plus, it keeps the thread mostly on topic and interesting throughout the week, instead of having 5 hours of discussion followed by 7 days of bitching and/or silence. Keeps it fresh. They compliment each other so well. (And neither of them deserves their own thread, taking up precious forum inches.)
Also, No Ma'am seems to really want the threads to stay together, so for his sake we'll keep them merged!
Ya know Robby I realy can't say I like your "Give them the exact opposite of what they asked for intentionaly" aproach to complaints :/
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@RobbyBevard:
Exactly! We actually find POSITIVE things to say!
Also by that logic every thread should be about every subject ever.
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Merged threads? Keep it going.
It saves time and is really convient to complain about two series in one location.
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The merged threads always seem active and hilarious.
When the threads were seperate, I wasn't nearly as motivated to check them both out to see what people were saying.
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@No:
Ya know Robby I realy can't say I like your "Give them the exact opposite of what they asked for intentionaly" aproach to complaints :/
I don't do that for everyone.
Just you.
Others actually do want em to stay merged. Its funner and more convenient.
@Cyan:
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If the Naruto threads could be like that again, I'd let em be split in a second. But we've tried to recapture that particular lightning. It can't be done, and the eventual horrendous mountain of spam was just… bad.
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Sooooo, Obito's choices were
- get over Rin, since you were you know, 13 years old
- survive being a useless retard, plus survive a war, plus survive being half-crushed and voluntarily half-blinded by a cave-in, plus randomly recognizing that you are the shit since Madara - by Madara - and become the most pointless and aimless "villain" since Kira
- grab those fuckin Rinnegan, don't give a shit about anyone else, revive Rin, then take a seat right there
Anyway, how did anyone get a hold of so many of the 1st Hokage's cells? Madara cultivated a whole fuckin tree of Hashiramas, Oro did a complete - pre timeskip - ET…
So on one hand,we have the infinitely perfect and infininetely gay for Hashirama Madara with in an infinite amount of chakra, an infinitely regenerating body plus an infinitely pointless goal...on the other hand we have a bunch of kissless butthurt faggot losers.
Oh Kishimoto you effin faggot, if only you'd spent some money on getting some...
One fucking intercourse would have improved your series by tenfold.
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@Cyan:
Ahh Rock Lee vs Gaara good times
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The title of this thread is win. You know its coming but I can't help but laugh.
I have the nagging feeling that Kakashi will come up with a revelation that Madara planned Rin's death so that he can have Obito on his side.
Honestly,Obito was turned too easily, its not like the old fart and his plants were somehow suspicious. God, Kishi is dumbing down Obito's characters to Sasuke's level and basically is ruining another character I really genuinely loved. -
@Rakoncatlan:
Sooooo, Obito's choices were
- get over Rin, since you were you know, 13 years old
- survive being a useless retard, plus survive a war, plus survive being half-crushed and voluntarily half-blinded by a cave-in, plus randomly recognizing that you are the shit since Madara - by Madara - and become the most pointless and aimless "villain" since Kira
- grab those fuckin Rinnegan, don't give a shit about anyone else, revive Rin, then take a seat right there
Anyway, how did anyone get a hold of so many of the 1st Hokage's cells? Madara cultivated a whole fuckin tree of Hashiramas, Oro did a complete - pre timeskip - ET…
So on one hand,we have the infinitely perfect and infininetely gay for Hashirama Madara with in an infinite amount of chakra, an infinitely regenerating body plus an infinitely pointless goal...on the other hand we have a bunch of kissless butthurt faggot losers.
Oh Kishimoto you effin faggot, if only you'd spent some money on getting some...
One fucking intercourse would have improved your series by tenfold.
Could you please dial it back with the slurs?
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Seriously the one thing that really puts me off with this series (Naruto, I mean) is those Hashirama cells. By God this is supposed to be a ninja story, and the time setting isn't that of a modern one. And yet everybody and their grandmas know how to splice a gene. I mean, I don't even care about those magic ninja techs, and by some extent I don't even care about the eye shenanigans. But the moment Orochimaru (or was it someone else?…. don't really remember, don't really care) mentioned how he successfully cultivated Hashirama's cell and use it for whatever it was, that was a big turn off for me. I really hoped that it was just that one time, but nooooo we have an entire clone army made from gene/cell/DNA manipulation.
And it even made this whole mess of a story a lot worse. If they can master the manipulation of gene/DNA/cell (or whatever the hell is the term Kishi is using). Then they should be able to create a stockpile of Sharingan/Rinnegan armies, its basically the same process. Or better yet, why didn't they just combine the 2 and create an army of Hashiramas with Sharingans? (Although we sorta seen it in Madara).
Aaaaaarrgghhhh. Cells and eyes and power-ups and random costumes. I propose that as a new thread title (but not anytime soon, I'm enjoying the current title)
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Seriously the one thing that really puts me off with this series (Naruto, I mean) is those Hashirama cells. By God this is supposed to be a ninja story, and the time setting isn't that of a modern one. And yet everybody and their grandmas know how to splice a gene.
I don't think Naruto knows what time period it's in. For the most part it looks like they're somewhere in the 16th/17th century. But then we get modern technology refrigerators, lights and those communicator things from when they retrieved that dog.
Eh, maybe they're powered by ninja magic.
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There's also this weird luck of firearms.
Some poeple have claimed that those would be too insignificant next to ninja magic,but can't the same be said of kunai and shurikens?
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Yay, last page! I would complain about this weeks naruto but I have other things to do.
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Might as well score a post on the last page.
Here's to more thread hiliarity in part 3, and I only fear (for my sanity) what madness Kubo and Kishimoto will pull off in their final arcs.
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I'm happy this thread ends on chapters with another important quality milestone for nardo and Bleach getting on top gear.
Overall this week's been quality - both with these two in what we 'love' them for and with One Piece and Toriko side. For me at least. -
Seriously the one thing that really puts me off with this series (Naruto, I mean) is those Hashirama cells. By God this is supposed to be a ninja story, and the time setting isn't that of a modern one. And yet everybody and their grandmas know how to splice a gene. I mean, I don't even care about those magic ninja techs, and by some extent I don't even care about the eye shenanigans. But the moment Orochimaru (or was it someone else?…. don't really remember, don't really care) mentioned how he successfully cultivated Hashirama's cell and use it for whatever it was, that was a big turn off for me. I really hoped that it was just that one time, but nooooo we have an entire clone army made from gene/cell/DNA manipulation.
And it even made this whole mess of a story a lot worse. If they can master the manipulation of gene/DNA/cell (or whatever the hell is the term Kishi is using). Then they should be able to create a stockpile of Sharingan/Rinnegan armies, its basically the same process. Or better yet, why didn't they just combine the 2 and create an army of Hashiramas with Sharingans? (Although we sorta seen it in Madara).
Aaaaaarrgghhhh. Cells and eyes and power-ups and random costumes. I propose that as a new thread title (but not anytime soon, I'm enjoying the current title)
They don't know how to splice a gene. I've got the impression that they simply inject the DNA inside the body and that's it, just like they take eyes out and put them back on. Hell, Danzou put eyes on his arm and they appeared to be fully functioning.
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I'd like to send this thread off with a short poem.
And so came the day Momo died
An iron maiden her eternal place of rest
And dear Toshiro did proclaim
"Good night, sweet princess. And flights of sabers sting thee to thy chest." EDIT: I can do it in limmerick form too.To lay dear Momo to rest
They felt an iron maiden was best
So Toshiro proclaimed
Above what remained
"Good night, sweet princess. And flights of sabers sting thee to thy chest." -
^This was inspiring, lemme try something too :
Roses are red
Violets are blue
I don't care anymore
So i won't try so hard
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