Wouldn't surprise me. I'll be damned if I can remember Narutos "Lightning beats Rock!" elemental logic.
Any bets on when Jiraya shows up? 10 weeks? 5? We need a "OMG SANNIN TOGETHER AGAIN" after all. Because nostalgia pandering.
Wouldn't surprise me. I'll be damned if I can remember Narutos "Lightning beats Rock!" elemental logic.
Any bets on when Jiraya shows up? 10 weeks? 5? We need a "OMG SANNIN TOGETHER AGAIN" after all. Because nostalgia pandering.
There is no logical reason for why kubo would willingly do this. I mean who would throw away that much development and building?…....Maybe.....maybe he does this on purpose just to mess with us?
@The:
Any bets on when Jiraya shows up? 10 weeks? 5? We need a "OMG SANNIN TOGETHER AGAIN" after all. Because nostalgia pandering.
cliffhanger of next week
Naruto: As I've already mentioned, Naruto post-Tobito reveal can never be more than adequate reading to me. And that's what it was: Not bad, but not great either.
I'm surprised that Naruto and Sasuke can even do that combination attack since I'm pretty sure neither of them have seen Rasenshuriken and Amaterasu respectively. But, whatever.
Also, LOL at the attempt to bring back Naruto's old theme (the new generation surpasses the old) when it spent half the arc showing how the shinobi in the First Hokage's era were tiers above the current one.
Bleach: I think it's about time I call it quits on reading this manga. It's beyond awful now.
So wait, "Bachgetsu":
Did so because because he didn't want him to be shinigami and get into dangerous fights?!
Oh, and that claim that the hollow always saved him when his life was in danger, not him:
Wasn't it him who confronted Ichigo after he was left to bleed to death from Kenpachi's sword, and asked him, "Do you want to fight, or do you want to live?", and stopped his bleeding? Or did I imagine that.? Sure, The Hollow mask, did appear and prevented him from taking another fatal wound. But, I'm pretty sure Zangetsu or Fake!Zangetsu or "Bachgetsu" stopped his bleeding.
Pretty much knew Kubo would do something like this after he wrote himself into that corner with a Quincy cross next to it. Still no less disappointing to see.
What about during the Kenpachi fight, that was pretty much Zangetsu and not the Hollow. (You saw the nice Hollow mask foreshadowing energy swell but it was Zangetsu that was holding Ichigo's hands).
Fuck you Kubo.
as far as i see it the next logical step is for aizen to be the real zangetsu
Bleach: As the series has taught us, Ichigo + angst isn't a winning combination.
But whatever. Ichigo talks with "Zangetsu", asking if he's an enemy or a foe…..the fact that Bachgetsu said his words were genuine aside from his name lead me to believe two possiblities: a) This Bach is either a "good" version or b) time travel's involved. Is the Bach outside even aware of this development?
Bachgetsu makes me laugh though
"I didn't want you to be a Shinigami" - so giving Ichigo a name to power up a physical sword was doing what? Teaching him Quincy 101?
"I didn't want you to fight" - so what about that speech in the beginning about retreating and hesistating?!Like we all said last chapter, this reveal is a big middle finger to all the themes and development in the beginning of the series. The moments we came to love just feel like a shadow of themselves…..
…...oh come on, Ichigo didn't think Bach looked like Zangetsu when he fought him!
Not a horrible chapter, just mostly frustrating and dull.
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To be fair Bachgetsu does go on to add that Ichigo's willingness to put himself in danger basically made him intervene and help him out.
Also I wasn't here when people actually liked Bleach and now I am really really curious about those moments you guys loved back in the good old days, mind sharing?
Edit: Really good point about Bachgetsu even been able to appear. Filmsy excuse would be that the sword guy made him appear…nah its bullshit.
It'll be revealed that Ishida's mom has also half-Shinigami, half-Quincy, and went through most of her life using her shikai abilities thinking they were Quincy techniques.
I was one of the few people who thought last week's reveal wasn't that bad ….. I thought Kubo could pull it all together, make some decent explanations, and make it work. I actually am also pretty biased when it comes to Bleach, I like it despite it's faults. But this chapter was really, really bad in my eyes.
First, positives:
The art could've been worse. Lots of white, but Kubo is a good artist, and facial expression wise, though very angsty ichigo, he did draw some faces he hadn't done before, which is a rarity.
I know I'm grasping for straws here, but I like how the building Ichigo and Zanbach were standing on crumbled as Ichigo's previous conception of "Zangetsu" fell apart.
I'll admit, I like that Jahgbtach had this quincy idea that he had to kill Ichigo if he became a shinigami. A fairly nice touch.
+Well, at least it looks like Ichigo might get a power other than Getsuga Tenshou.
Then negatives:
-Juhatsu's dialogue was poorly done. Why would he randomly be ambiguous, saying "I am Juha Bach, I'm not Juha Bach". Just to sound cool? And "Ichigo, ahve you really not noticed it all this time?". Zanbachtsu's entire speech was about him getting closer to Ichigo and respecting him, why taunt and mock him like that?
-I'll admit, I don't know scrap about all the contradictions, and ruined events, that this revelation has caused, I don't remember much of Bleach. But Zuha Gach pretending to be his zanpakuto almost seems petty, and pathetic, and Ichigo's hollow being the cause of all Ichigo's strength ruins so many previous scenes.
-Juhgetbach suddenly disappearing from the series in the chapter after a humongous revelation like that was made seems weird. Almost like wasted potential, ichigo and his talk should've lasted much longer.
Okay Kubo, up until now I took all your stupid twists more or less happily, laughing at just how bad they were, even if it annoyed me to see just how much the series went downhill.
NOT NOW.
I would like to ask him in person: Are you proud of this? Are you proud of what you have done to your series? Do you want me to believe this Bach bullshit, totally changing the meaning of tons of scenes and of the manga itself? I can't even believe he respects his work anymore if he comes with this, for real, it's beyond bad writing, it's just making an absurd twist that only adds even more plotholes to the manga. I must say I loved Zangetsu, those chapters in which Ichigo went to his world were favourites of mine, and I enjoyed how Zangetsu teached him and made him reinforce his determination and his will to fight. You have been taking down one after another the things I still enjoyed in the series. I'll still keep reading the series just to see how far you screw this up.
I know this level of shittiness should be expected after everything we've had lately, but it still pisses me off me greatly.
This is the first time I rant seriously in this thread, and I know I went a bit overboard, but: Fuck you, Kubo. Fuck. You.
Enjoying Bleach n Naruto isn't that hard, u just need to lower ur standard. I see Bleach's new chapter and I think "Ah, so Ichigo is going to get a new costume and probably a different colored Getsuga Tenshou"
I'm sure if I had recently reread Bleach I'd be more insulted and confused at this latest revelation but given that I'm ignoring past continuity like Kubo the recent revelation that Ichigo is quincy, hollow, shinigami, and has those other powers (I still think, forgot the name). This shaky logic of his quincy impersonating his sword, suppressing the power of it the entire time, and only letting him use a portion of it which led to his hollow side having to bail him out of deadly situations is a bit interesting. Plus I never thought Bleach was that good the same way Naruto use to be good so there's that as well.
Enjoying Bleach n Naruto isn't that hard, u just need to lower ur standard. I see Bleach's new chapter and I think "Ah, so Ichigo is going to get a new costume and probably a different colored Getsuga Tenshou"
Thats propably Kubos main reason for doing all this. Ichigo hasn't had a powerup in like, 70 chapters, the poor guy must be throwing a fit.
Seriously, Ichigo BARELY got to swing around his new FullBullshit soul reaper, and….now its replaced. Well, that sure made the fullbullshit climax feel pointless. We didn't even learn it was still Zangetsu until after it fucking broke.
"All that time Ichigo, who saved you was your inner hollow"
"By the way where is that joker?"
"…he died for real that time"
"oh..."
You should try to read new bleach on mangastream. The page that goes after the last one, and maybe the next one if you keep the momentum. Without spoilers let's just say it's worth it.
Bleach is not bad, if you read it without thinking it's okay and doesn't hurt, unlike new Naruto. Ichigo does all his trademark gimmicks - faces full of mindless frustration on the first one near, dumb empty eyes, distorted, almost crying from info overload and beaing told what a tool he is, and of course angry shouting. And all of that while Kubo really tries to tide it up. Can't help but feel sentimental and not angry at him, especially in contrast with Kishi.
I never really cared for Bleach and always saw it as a special type of comedy, not by genre but by execution. So all these twists don't make me frustrated, I only feel entertained by how Kubo shuffles everything yet another time and still gets serialized. Apparently editors are scared to do anything, or else it will become trully incomprehensible. Or Kubo will sink into depression from being misunderstood.
Bleach: So let me get this straight: Bachgetsu, all this time, wanted to stop Ichigo from becoming a Shinigami, so he passively suppressed his powers? Okay, then why did he help him train his zanpakuto all those other times? Why didn't he just tell Ichigo that he was part Quincy and that eventually Bach would have to kill him if he went down that route?
And when exactly did he come to this revelation that he was okay with Ichigo being a shinigami? Why didn't he release "true potential" until now? There are quite a few instances I think Ichigo having his full potential would've helped a great deal.
Naruto: Boring filler
I enjoyed that naruto chapter. I'm sorry but i smiled. And the whole team 7, Sanin thing. And them finally defeating the 10 tails. I think I'm at a good place with this manga, it's not good by any means but i can enjoy the moments like that.
I enjoyed that naruto chapter. I'm sorry but i smiled. And the whole team 7, Sanin thing. And them finally defeating the 10 tails. I think I'm at a good place with this manga, it's not good by any means but i can enjoy the moments like that.
I think it's a bit to early to jump to that conclusion. Obviously Juferby is going to evolve into the next step of mutant odd angled creature evolution and becoming even more powerful. And Madara will upgrade his sitting and lay down.
On a different note, I tend to just read these chapters solely for the comments here and go through an apathetic mental state as I gaze over them. But, I actually found myself laughing at the 3rds commentary. He looked at Team 7 and imagined how they're EXACTLY like the Sannins only to see "It is a new generation". Uhhh, no it isn't. It's a repeated generation, at best. Maybe if they weren't all direct copies of their mentors I'd care, but I mean really… Couldn't they at least have different personalities or roles or something? Even design wise Naruto/Jiraiya and Sakura/Tsunade are kind of similar.
Naruto: As I've already mentioned, Naruto post-Tobito reveal can never be more than adequate reading to me. And that's what it was: Not bad, but not great either.
I'm surprised that Naruto and Sasuke can even do that combination attack since I'm pretty sure neither of them have seen Rasenshuriken and Amaterasu respectively. But, whatever.
Also, LOL at the attempt to bring back Naruto's old theme (the new generation surpasses the old) when it spent half the arc showing how the shinobi in the First Hokage's era were tiers above the current one.
Bleach: I think it's about time I call it quits on reading this manga. It's beyond awful now.
So wait, "Bachgetsu":
- Responds to Ichigo's name.
- Let him learn a special attack ("Gestuga Tensho").
- Taught him to stand firm and face your enemy without looking back.
- Got Ichigo to notice how Kenpachi mistreats his sword, and asked him if he trust him as a zanpakuto.
- Forced him to learn Bankai.
- Taught him the Final Getsuga Tensho, albeit reluctantly.
Did so because because he didn't want him to be shinigami and get into dangerous fights?!
Oh, and that claim that the hollow always saved him when his life was in danger, not him:
Wasn't it him who confronted Ichigo after he was left to bleed to death from Kenpachi's sword, and asked him, "Do you want to fight, or do you want to live?", and stopped his bleeding? Or did I imagine that.? Sure, The Hollow mask, did appear and prevented him from taking another fatal wound. But, I'm pretty sure Zangetsu or Fake!Zangetsu or "Bachgetsu" stopped his bleeding.
Pretty much knew Kubo would do something like this after he wrote himself into that corner with a Quincy cross next to it. Still no less disappointing to see.
It wasn't Zangetsu who stopped Ichigo from bleeding, it was thanks to his Quincy regeneration power in his blood.
I think that the similarities between the sannin and their students is one of the things Kishimoto had in mind very early and therefore is something where he tries to make a point.
And I don't really mind it all that much at least Jiraiya and Naruto were different enough and as they had the most teacher-student interaction it wasn't that bad. Unfortunately the point he most likely tries to make through them (the next generation surpasses the older one) is kicked in the groin from behind by the means of edo-tensei and all the dead people who were resurrected (because apparently there are no capable ninjas active nowadays) especially by the first Hokage.
Another problem I have with this is that they were named sannin after working together for years and years as a team and had quite a good teamwork back then.
And also we are supposed to believe Team 7 has the same they spent most of their Ninja-lives appart. Which shouldn't be beneficial to their teamwork. Whats even more important is that they should have evolved into their own unique styles during their time apart and therefore should work as well togehter as an human and a marsian.
But really when it comes to teamwork everbody in this manga is a mindreader. For example the Kages: They just met the fourth and have reunited after a long time but they still work perfectly together. Without any explanation what they can do their specialities and their Jutsu. Well they are not shown working together very much but still, I expect they will.
I never thought Kubo would out do himself when he came up with THE HEART and espada go from 0-9 nonsense but this…..
I have no words. Just none.
It'll be revealed that Ishida's mom has also half-Shinigami, half-Quincy, and went through most of her life using her shikai abilities thinking they were Quincy techniques.
She might be a Mayuri experiment. She does look a bit similar to Nemu.
She might be a Mayuri experiment. She does look a bit similar to Nemu.
…I would honestly not be surprised. She doesn't have a zanpakuto so free for random quincy bull, and people can claim Ishida being nice to her wayyyy back when was super foreshadowing and genius planning on Kubo's part when really he's just trying to shittily link characters that look alike.
as far as i see it the next logical step is for aizen to be the real zangetsu
Gotta be honest I'm surprised Kubo hasn't used him recently. I'm sure he's saving Aizen for this exact reveal. Either Aizen will turn out to be the real zangetsu, or he'll be the soul king. Or both.
@The:
I like how the Naruto chapter basically amunted to throwing a rock at a dog that is not as much chained as nailed to the fucking ground
"Take this completely incapacitated Juubi! GIANT PINWHEEL ATTACK!"
Epic
also, I suspect bullshit regarding the Wind + Fire thing. A real "No wait this is how it really went down lololol" type of bullshit.
Has anyone looked back at the original chapter yet?
Actually I'm pretty sure I predicted this happening in this thread, cause I reread that part since I started rereading Naruto, and I though the Ultimate wind jutsu and the ultimate type of Fire, that'd could probably bring down the ten tails
but I thought would at least look a 100 times cooler than that
and really since the fire destroys everything it touches, there's really no need to do that in the first place, just a tiny bit needs to land on him and it would suffice
EDIT: that has to be one of the most anticlamtic endings to a final boss fight EVER!!!
lols at Bleach. Kubo clearly pulled this out of his ass. What about the "Final Getsuga Tenshou"? And the fact that Ishiin knew about it because Ichigos powers are similar to HIS?! We're to believe seudo Bach completely imitated what Ichigo's shinigami powers should be? How did ISHIIN not notice? He's captain level and spend technically months 2 inches from Ichigo fully immersed in his reiatsu. Not to mention a hundred other occasions where another character in the manga should've noticed something was weird about his powers. After all, his bankai and shinigami powers have been analyzed by SS completely.
Go home Kubo, you're drunk.
By Xin from NF…ass is Rukia's...:happy:
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Corny as it was, I was proud of Sakura in this chap. I always have valued her struggle to get stronger, even though.. it's not really for the best of reasons.
Next chap: Jiraya returns, saying "Lol, you thought I was dead? I was just on vacation!"
Bleach: What?
Also I wasn't here when people actually liked Bleach and now I am really really curious about those moments you guys loved back in the good old days, mind sharing?
Where do I start?
Anything with Don Kanonji
Ichigo vs Grand Fisher
Chad beating up a Hollow with a telephone pole without even seeing it
Ichigo forming Zangetsu (I'm sorry, Bachgetsu) for the first time
hell, just seeing Ichigo interact with his schoolmates
Ichigo defeating Byakuya
among others. Ah, the days where Ichigo was just a kid with the ability to see ghosts. Not a Mary Sue.
By Xin from NF…ass is Rukia's...:happy:
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A perfect metaphor as to where Kubo gets his story ideas.
To be fair Bachgetsu does go on to add that Ichigo's willingness to put himself in danger basically made him intervene and help him out.
Also I wasn't here when people actually liked Bleach and now I am really really curious about those moments you guys loved back in the good old days, mind sharing?
Actually, all this Zangetsu nonsense is making me appreciate "early" Bleach even more; The Aizen twist is still bull, but up until the Hueco Mondo trip I think I can vouch for the series, as it still retained some thematic and narrative cohesiveness,. Sure there were plotholes, but especially regarding Zangetsu and the inner hollow, it felt like there was a logical progression.
The SSJ3 Ichigo hollow monster is a shining beacon of just how much everything fell apart in the latter half of the Arrancar arc.
As for favourite moments? Well, just seing Ichigo have a character was nice (as Aohige said, Proto-Oga).
@Rotten:
lols at Bleach. Kubo clearly pulled this out of his ass. What about the "Final Getsuga Tenshou"? And the fact that Ishiin knew about it because Ichigos powers are similar to HIS?! We're to believe seudo Bach completely imitated what Ichigo's shinigami powers should be? How did ISHIIN not notice? He's captain level and spend technically months 2 inches from Ichigo fully immersed in his reiatsu. Not to mention a hundred other occasions where another character in the manga should've noticed something was weird about his powers. After all, his bankai and shinigami powers have been analyzed by SS completely.
Go home Kubo, you're drunk.
I think there's been a lot of confusion about Zangetsu and Bach thingy. Based on what was just said (contradiction or not), Ichigo STILL became a shinigami, he still talked to his sword spirit, so yeah, he did actually inherit some of his shinigami power from his dad.
We also know that Bach knows how to steal and use shinigami powers, so I guess it's not that dumb that he can "imitate them" as well.
Just saying.
Chapter 218 still contradicts this , but hey.
Also I wasn't here when people actually liked Bleach and now I am really really curious about those moments you guys loved back in the good old days, mind sharing?
The first four manga volumes.
The Soul Society shit is bland and boring, it at least wasn't terrible however.
I think there's been a lot of confusion about Zangetsu and Bach thingy. Based on what was just said (contradiction or not), Ichigo STILL became a shinigami, he still talked to his sword spirit, so yeah, he did actually inherit some of his shinigami power from his dad.
We also know that Bach knows how to steal and use shinigami powers, so I guess it's not that dumb that he can "imitate them" as well.
Just saying.
Chapter 218 still contradicts this , but hey.
It's still weird he could inherit a job.
By the end of the series I want Ichigo to have learned 1 Kido.
Next chap: Jiraya returns, saying "Lol, you thought I was dead? I was just on vacation!"
I would cry with laughter, happiness, and sadness all at the same time.
I think there's been a lot of confusion about Zangetsu and Bach thingy. Based on what was just said (contradiction or not), Ichigo STILL became a shinigami, he still talked to his sword spirit, so yeah, he did actually inherit some of his shinigami power from his dad.
We also know that Bach knows how to steal and use shinigami powers, so I guess it's not that dumb that he can "imitate them" as well.
Just saying.
Chapter 218 still contradicts this , but hey.
They can steal and use their Bankai, but the shinigami still have their shikai (I am assuming) and Kido as well. They don't steal all their powers. Also, the method to steal it was something that was discovered recently it seems.
In any case, if the bolded part you mention comes true, then this entire arc becomes even more idiotic and moronic than it already is. If Bach could do that, then why is this war even going on. Quicies were killed because they broke the lolbalance remember. If Bach could use shinigami powers, why didn't he just do that a 1000 years ago, or even now. As long as they didn't break the lolbalance, the shinigami would not care about them and the shinigami would not have killed the quincies.
@Ace:
They can steal and use their Bankai, but the shinigami still have their shikai (I am assuming) and Kido as well. They don't steal all their powers. Also, the method to steal it was something that was discovered recently it seems.
In any case, if the bolded part you mention comes true, then this entire arc becomes even more idiotic and moronic than it already is. If Bach could do that, then why is this war even going on. Quicies were killed because they broke the lolbalance remember. If Bach could use shinigami powers, why didn't he just do that a 1000 years ago, or even now. As long as they didn't break the lolbalance, the shinigami would not care about them and the shinigami would not have killed the quincies.
Actually, that's not a plot hole if it comes true. Quincies didn't destroy Hollow's souls because they had no other way to destroy them (though they didn't). They destroyed them completely out of a misplaced sense of vengeance for the people the Hollows killed.
It wasn't Zangetsu who stopped Ichigo from bleeding, it was thanks to his Quincy regeneration power in his blood.
Oh? Then what's this then?:
http://www.mangareader.net/94-567-12/bleach/chapter-113.html
Also, Quincies don't regenerate. They increase their own durability using "Blut Vene" which makes your veins glow with energy, or whatever. Even if they did, we should've saw that happen to Ichigo.
Jiraiya would still be amazing with one arm, he's that hax. Even though he is probably alive, if he were dead the resurrection jutsu would give him amazing eyes, those evil zombie eyes plus sage mode eyes lol. Lucky bastard haha
@Ace:
They can steal and use their Bankai, but the shinigami still have their shikai (I am assuming) and Kido as well. They don't steal all their powers. Also, the method to steal it was something that was discovered recently it seems.
In any case, if the bolded part you mention comes true, then this entire arc becomes even more idiotic and moronic than it already is. If Bach could do that, then why is this war even going on. Quicies were killed because they broke the lolbalance remember. If Bach could use shinigami powers, why didn't he just do that a 1000 years ago, or even now. As long as they didn't break the lolbalance, the shinigami would not care about them and the shinigami would not have killed the quincies.
The bankai is the very essence of their sword. If the bankai is gone, its just a plain old useless sword, we saw that from Hitsugaya's reaction when he could sense Hyorinmaru anymore…
And frankly, given that this guy Nimaya is the guy that created the zanpaktou - are we actually gonna see him using his expertize to figure out how it is the Quincy stole bankais or how to counter it?
given that this guy Nimaya is the guy that created the zanpaktou - are we actually gonna see him using his expertize to figure out how it is the Quincy stole bankais or how to counter it?
Ahahahahahahahahahah , of course not.
The bankai is the very essence of their sword. If the bankai is gone, its just a plain old useless sword, we saw that from Hitsugaya's reaction when he could sense Hyorinmaru anymore…
But what about all those vice captains and seats below that have a shikai and haven't learned how to bankai or gained the strength to do so yet? The shikai isn't just a plain sword…unless you're Kenpachi.
I think if it wasn't worded specifically as "stole the bankai" but was "stole the spirit" that would make more sense. Bankai was pretty much just going Super Saiyan 2 with how it's been presented. Shikai was Super Saiyan.
I'm still irritated that none of the captains even tried Kido during those fights. 100 levels of spells of various types and nobody tried barriers or offense. They just all gave up.
Next chap: Jiraya returns, saying "Lol, you thought I was dead? I was just on vacation!"
It'll be hilarious if it pans out exactly like this:
Some people were joking around in the Toonami forums on Saturday after the big Mullet Aizen reveal aired on American television the same night Excaliber from Soul Eater trolled the audience with a random filler episode. This sick puppy was the result:
Props to viperxmns and ALchemist81 from the Toonami forums.
Hah. That's so creepy but kinda funny.
i think the most appalling thing yet to come in Bleach is going to be the ending when Ichigo presumably reunites with his friends
it'll most likely be some cheesy cloying bullshit that doesn't really make sense considering how he's ignored them and become a bland piece of shit over the years
the worst, of course, is going to be Orihime x Ichigo. That's going to happen, right? It just has to happen… I can't even fathom Ichigo getting together with Orihime; they've sustained about 0 intimacy in the last few years. I'll at least give it to Kishimoto for slowly building the Naruto/Hinata relationship, but this inevitable Ichigo/Orihime fling is going to be excruciating.
I like the new thread title.
New thread title is awesome.
And oh so very accurate.
Most accurate and awesome thread title ever.
Forneverworld and his jokes!