It's probably a good thing that the first season is limited to 12 episodes then, in that sense. Even if every episode does have eighty million frames.
Onepunch-Man (redrawn version)
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Yeah…I could see a few animators dying. Man just these 3 episodes have been intense. And next episode is apparently Sonic's introduction. I hope they have medical staff on hand lol.
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Yeah 4 will be sonic and 5 will be the heroes association probably. Does the meteor come before or after sea King?
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Does the meteor come before or after sea King?
Before; maybe immediately before it if I recall correctly.
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Redrawn OPM demands best from animators and Madhouse hasn't let us down yet… amazing episode again. Really looking forward of this, and people seems to love this as well even if they haven't read OPM before.
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I hate explaining jokes but it's probably needed for this.
Murata joked on his stream the other day (while drawing the volume 10 cover arts) how 2-3 animators are going to die if Madhouse keep this up.
Oh I see.
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That whole episode, just for the one punch line. Epic.
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Joseph Joestar in OPM? That's awesome.
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It's 3 episodes in and not only hasn't there hasn't been a single animation hiccup, it's all very consistently high-quality. They're going all out with this. It's all incredble, but the Genos scenes especially caught my eye. I love it when fire and explosions are so well-animated.
Familiar territory for the manga ended with episode 2 for me, how much did that cover?
Edit: Nvm, I found a chapter list (had trouble finding one for some reason). Wow, looks like the first two episodes basically covered an entire volume.
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Yeah all of volume 1 is the first 2 episodes. Have my english volume.
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Edit: Nvm, I found a chapter list (had trouble finding one for some reason). Wow, looks like the first two episodes basically covered an entire volume.
Chapter lists for the series are really wonky because the scan sites number them by order of release rather than following the actual chapter numbers. You might have a chapter that was released in three updates or more that are listed as, say, 45, 46, and 47 while the actual chapter is something like 29.1, 29.2, and 29.3.
All of the early chapters are just standalone stories as well, which is why they burned through so much in just a couple episodes; the House of Evolution story is the first extended arc.
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Oh I see.
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Would love to see a frame by frame breakdown of the anime though. I used to overrate money a lot when it came to animation, it was really amazing to see a few of the tricks skilled animators use to make something look really amazing/dynamic without it automatically turning into a big resource drain.I believe this vid should prove a bit interesting
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I believe this vid should prove a bit interesting
Basically, people are MASSIVELY underselling the staff when they think it's "just Madhouse".Thanks for posting that. So many kickass freelancers.
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He prolly meant Shueisha I guess.
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Good stuff where are the rough animations at the end coming from? Is that maybe taken from a japanese behind the scenes video? I would love to watch that.
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Good stuff where are the rough animations at the end coming from? Is that maybe taken from a japanese behind the scenes video? I would love to watch that.
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Only Madhouse could pull that stuff, and only Madhouse could gather this staff.
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Only Madhouse could pull that stuff, and only Madhouse could gather this staff.
Shingo Natsume gathered that staff.
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Chiming in here, I definitely found myself wondering halfway through this episode just how much money Madhouse was pouring into this, and praying that they had a big tub of ice on hand for the poor animations to plunge their hands into before they fell off. Heck, I've seen speculation that one of the bits in this episode, specifically the part where Asura Kabuto sends Saitama bouncing around the room then smashes him into the floor and starts wailing on him, was drawn by friggin' Yutaka Nakamura, undoubtably the best action animator the industry's had in the past twenty years, in one of his rare uncredited work outside of bones' shows.
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Walls and floors getting crushed into cubes is certainly his trademark so I was wondering if that was him.
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Only Madhouse could pull that stuff, and only Madhouse could gather this staff.
People give Madhouse way too much credit. They're hiring freelance animators. Any studio could gather them if they really wanted to. They're freelancers.
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Just because they're freelancers doesn't mean they're cheap. Yes, any other studio could bring these people together if they really wanted to, but the fact of the matter is, it would bankrupt any studio to keep all of these guys on the payroll- hence, why they don't. If Madhouse is getting this done with animators-for-hire, then it becomes clear that the big-budget, limited-scope stories are going to get the best animation in the long run.
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Yes, any other studio could bring these people together if they really wanted to
So you agree with me? I didn't argue against anything in the rest of your post. All I'm saying is that Madhouse is definitely not the only studio that can gather a top tier staff or, in particular, the staff working on OPM.
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Actually, my point was that the other studios explicitly don't want a long-term staff of people that talented, as it would bankrupt them. I'm assuming that Madhouse is currently in the minority when it comes to hiring freelancers for limited engagements, feel free to correct me on this matter if I am in the wrong.
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This seems like a semantic argument between the words could and would.
Any studio could pay for the additional help, but few would ever be willing to do so.
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Holy shit man, like holy shit. I just watched an anime movie three times. Good god I haven't enjoyed an actual Anime series in so long.
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I can't help but think that was just so he could make a King joke.
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I can't help but think that was just so he could make a King joke.
I thought the exact same thing, haha. Still, they're pretty damn cool!
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Those cards have the spoilers… in SPADES!
…why iz the house of evolution guy a takoyaki seller?
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People give Madhouse way too much credit. They're hiring freelance animators. Any studio could gather them if they really wanted to. They're freelancers.
If any other studio can do it but they don't, while Madhouse actually does, that only shows that Madhouse really deserves the credit it gets.
While companies like Toei have the biggest franchises but still they refuse to put in the quality that Madhouse puts in, Madhouse actually puts in that quality. I fail to see why, in your opinion, that makes Madhouse not deserve the credit.
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I like how kings are actually kings. King, Child Emperor, Homeless Emperor, and Deep Sea King.
Also interesting thing about Aces. Boros, Garou, Bang, and Watch-dog man.
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Also interesting thing about Aces. Boros, Garou, Bang, and Watch-dog man.
They are all extremely strong representatives except of Watch-dog man who we know very little of. I wonder if this is a subtle hint on just how strong the doggie is.Interesting - thinking about it, it does make sense. I mean they left him in charge of Q-City which was deemed the most dangerous if I remember correctly.
Also I totally lost it at Pri-Pri-Prisoner being a queen.
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If any other studio can do it but they don't, while Madhouse actually does, that only shows that Madhouse really deserves the credit it gets.
While companies like Toei have the biggest franchises but still they refuse to put in the quality that Madhouse puts in, Madhouse actually puts in that quality. I fail to see why, in your opinion, that makes Madhouse not deserve the credit.
They didn't make it, the people they commissioned did. You're trying to give credit to middle men and paymasters rather than the people actually doing the work. That's the issue at hand.
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They didn't make it, the people they commissioned did. You're trying to give credit to middle men and paymasters rather than the people actually doing the work. That's the issue at hand.
Would Toei, Studio Pierrot or any other studio resorted for outside help to get exceptional results? Or would they just used studio's own animators only to produce mediocre product? If Madhouse is able and willing to ask help of best professionals in industry to produce outstanding animation quality then that alone deserves applauds even if Madhouse own animators are very capable their own right.
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If any other studio can do it but they don't, while Madhouse actually does, that only shows that Madhouse really deserves the credit it gets.
I said they're given too much credit, and they are. Them not being the only ones able to gather the staff that works on OPM is the only point I've made and something we all agree on. @Shandian:
Would Toei, Studio Pierrot or any other studio resorted for outside help to get exceptional results?
Of course they would and they actually have and still do.
If Madhouse is able and willing to ask help of best professionals in industry to produce outstanding animation quality then that alone deserves applauds
You're very ignorant on the industry as a whole. There are several studios that have used legendary freelancers including pierrot and Toei.
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They didn't make it, the people they commissioned did. You're trying to give credit to middle men and paymasters rather than the people actually doing the work. That's the issue at hand.
You are merely commenting on how they made it. It's irrelevant if the people working on the anime are permanently employed by Madhouse or not. That's just how they made it. No fan is actually giving them credit for how they did it, they are giving them credit for actually doing it with that much quality, while other studios don't do it even though they could. The fact that other studios could do it but don't do it, just further demonstrates that they deserve the credit for doing it.
I said they're given too much credit, and they are. Them not being the only ones able to gather the staff that works on OPM is the only point I've made and something we all agree on. This is my last post on the subject.
What you pointed out (aka the fact that other studios could do it but choose to not do it, while Madhouse actually does it), only adds to their merit, it doesn't subtract from it at all. Basically, the fact that other studios could do it but don't do it only makes it seem like the other studios are interested in cheapening their products, while Madhouse is more interested in maintaining/increasing their quality. I don't see how what you stated points to them being given too much credit at all.
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What you pointed out (aka the fact that other studios could do it but choose to not do it, while Madhouse actually does it), only adds to their merit, it doesn't subtract from it at all.
This isn't true. Other studios have the ability to do it and they have done it. It's only a matter of when they want to do it. The video that was posted clearly explains how Madhouse accomplished this. It was paid for by investors and Shingo Natsume gathered the staff. It would have been out of the question for them otherwise. Some The legendary animators they got for OPM were pulled from Bones, Pierrot & even Toei,
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This isn't true. Other studios have the ability to do it and they have done it. It's only a matter of when they want to do it. The video that was posted clearly explains how Madhouse accomplished this. It was paid for by investors and Shingo Natsume gathered the staff. It would have been out of the question for them otherwise. Some The legendary animators they got for OPM were pulled from Bones, Pierrot & even Toei,
And the studios that do it (aka do it with that much quality) are certainly praised and given the same merit that is given to Madhouse when they do it. Once again, how exactly they do it, if they do it with their permanent staff or if they do it with people that isn't permanently employed in Madhouse, is hardly relevant, because what is being actually praised and given merit to is simply the fact that they did it with that much quality. The unwillingness of other studios to do the same only makes Madhouse look better, not worse.
You would have a point if we were comparing and praising a specific team of artists and animators. But that's not really the case. What is being praised and given merit to is the studio for managing to deliver the anime with this high quality. What team they choose to employ to make it happen is irrelevant because it will always be made for the studio.
To give an example regarding movies, I can certainly praise the actors and the team behind the movie, but if it is a good movie with high quality, then the studio certainly deserves its praise for putting the investment and team together that created the movie and releasing it. And a studio that does this consistently, while other studios are noticeably failing to do so and cheapen the quality of the movie, deserves its praise and merit even more so.
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And the studios that do it (aka do it with that much quality) are certainly praised and given the same merit that is given to Madhouse when they do it. Once again, how exactly they do it, if they do it with their permanent staff or if they do it with people that isn't permanently employed in Madhouse, is hardly relevant, because what is being actually praised and given merit to is simply the fact that they did it with that much quality. The unwillingness of other studios to do the same only makes Madhouse look better, not worse.
They have produced works on par with if not better than OPM. How Madhouse was able to accomplish this is relevant because they weren't really the ones who did it. Shingo Natsume is the person that deserves the credit for gathering the staff and the investors deserve credit for the budget. As a studio, Madhouse is not the one to thank.
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They have produced works on par with if not better than OPM. How Madhouse was able to accomplish this is relevant because they weren't really the ones who did it. Shingo Natsume is the person that deserves the credit for gathering the staff and the investors deserve credit for the budget.
Like I said above, that's like saying that a movie studio that provides consistently high quality movies doesn't deserve that much credit compared to other studios that fail to do so, even though they could, because it's the actors and the team making the movies that actually make the movies. That simply doesn't make sense. Such a studio certainly deserves the praise it gets for putting the investment and teams together for its movies and consistently managing to deliver high quality movies, showing that they know how to do their job and really invest in quality. Madhouse is the same.
The actors and teams that make the movies certainly deserve credit and praise for the work that they do, just like the artists and animators behind the animes, but their praise and credit are different from the studio's praise and credit because their job is different. They are irrelevant for the credit and praise destined to the studio's job.
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…can't we just praise both the guys killing their hands on the show, and the studio for expending the resources to bring them all together? It doesn't have to be either one or the other.
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…can't we just praise both the guys killing their hands on the show, and the studio for expending the resources to bring them all together? It doesn't have to be either one or the other.
That's basically what I'm saying. The studio gets praise and credit for doing their job very well. And the artists and animators get praise and credit for doing their job very well. But it's not because the artists and the animators are the ones making the anime that the studio's job is irrelevant and doesn't deserve credit and praise for it or is that praise exaggerated. The praise that those guys get and deserve doesn't detract at all from the praise and merit destined for the studio for doing it's job very well, nor does the fact that other studios fail to do their job as well as Madhouse (that only makes it's praise and credit more deserved).
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…can't we just praise both the guys killing their hands on the show, and the studio for expending the resources to bring them all together? It doesn't have to be either one or the other.
True.
But the very discussion has a positive side in that it's somewhat eye-opening in hinting that studio names don't tell you everything. For years now, I had the opinion that anime fanbase puts way too much stock in studio names and not enough in actual people involved. That's why you get people pondering questions like "how could this show from Studio X suck when that other show they made was awesome?!". Because it was actually made by different people, duh.
However, Madhouse does have a reputation for running great production schedules as far I know, which matters a lot.
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This isn't true. Other studios have the ability to do it and they have done it. It's only a matter of when they want to do it. The video that was posted clearly explains how Madhouse accomplished this. It was paid for by investors and Shingo Natsume gathered the staff. It would have been out of the question for them otherwise. Some The legendary animators they got for OPM were pulled from Bones, Pierrot & even Toei,
Thank you, this cleared up my confusion. So, basically Madhouse is doing what they should, and are only due the credit anyone would receive for doing the job they were paid for?
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I felt like this episode was a tiny notch below the usual excellence on the animation front. Particularly, they didn't really bother with recreating that gif version sequence of Sonic circling Saitama. That's not to say the animation was bad, because it's still wayyyy above average with great sequences. In particular, I really liked the sequence of Sonic dashing towards Hammerhead. You know your showsproduction values are bonkers when a 'less impressive' episode can have dope stuff like that.
Also, Licenseless Rider's anime only intro sequence was immaculate. The hero we all deserve.
What really DID upset me though is that they cut the 'shit just exploded' joke.
