Poor Law is sick with worry.
And no doctor can cure that blues
Poor Law is sick with worry.
And no doctor can cure that blues
http://www.mangareader.net/103-36562-12/one-piece/chapter-561.html
I think that Luffy will take the first Yonkou down because of this, not because he's stronger. I mean, maybe One Piece's purpose is showing that having a strong crew/strong allies is better than being insanely strong, and maybe that's what Luffy will understand (Shanks seems to have such a crew, as someone said earlier "The Strongest Crew")
Or maybe he'll just kick everyone's ass, idk.
With how Kinemon reacted to Kaidou. I would assume that Wano is probably a Kaidou territory now and he's basically has one of his underlings there ruling that place with an iron fist. Since Dressrosa has one of his comrades, Kaidou probably had Donflamingo take some of their comrades there as part of some kinda agreement. Which is most likely that they are going to use the Smile factory there to turn his comrade into one of his beasts. So Kinemon intends to rescue him before that happens.
Except that they weren't.
I don't remember being any mention of his crew being killed…?
Well, that's what I think happened. It would explain the change in his personality and why he wants to take down Kaido. Could also be the reason he turned against Dofla (did they mention when he left dofla's crew or anything?).
You guys are gonna have to accept it sooner or later , Smoker is being pushed aside as Luffy's Garp.
Well, that's what I think happened. It would explain the change in his personality and why he wants to take down Kaido. Could also be the reason he turned against Dofla (did they mention when he left dofla's crew or anything?).
This is One Piece were talking about, Law's crew isn't dead. Especially when we don't know anything about Bepo, Jean Bart, Penguin, or Shachi.
@Foxy:
This is One Piece were talking about, Law's crew isn't dead. Especially when we don't know anything about Bepo, Jean Bart, Penguin, or Shachi.
People can die in flashbacks.
I think you've hit the nail on the head there!
Or maybe he has a Dragon Zoan? Assuming that was him in the top left of the color spread of the Law/SH alliance, he looks pretty human-ish.
People can die in flashbacks.
This chapter gave me tears of excitement
Fact #1: samurai and Wa no kuni are known for their conflictual relationship with dragons.
Fact #2: Vegapunk had an interest for dragons, we also saw many dragons in this arc.
Fact #3: Kaidou is the strongest creature in the world.
Hypothesis: Kaidou is in fact a sentient dragon.
That would be so awesome!
But sadly we have seen his silhouette. Looks nothing like dragon. :sad:
@Foxy:
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You said they aren't dead "because this is One Piece" What I meant was that although Oda doesn't usually kill characters, he does in flashbacks.
Well, that's what I think happened. It would explain the change in his personality and why he wants to take down Kaido. Could also be the reason he turned against Dofla (did they mention when he left dofla's crew or anything?).
And you simply ignored that:
1. They were in a recent color spread.
2. They were introduced for a reason.
3. Characters rarely die in One Piece.
The thing about 'Green Bitt' …There would have been no need for Law to tell Smoker that if he wasn't going there because Smoker wouldn't have/doesn't know they're headed to DressRosa so he wouldn't even be able to tell Doflamingo anything cuz he wouldn't have known. And, Oda has Kuzan appear and save Smoker + G5 so now, Doflamingo still wouldn't get any info from Smoker. I (am hopeful/) believe that Green Bit is the next destination
aokiji and doflamingo wont fight imo: doflamingo cant afford time fighting an ex-admiral who is possibly stronger than him. his main goal right now is to pursue law and luffy….maybe aokiji and doflamingo will talk about the state of marines now and smoker will overhear it.
right after that, aokiji will make smoker choose if he still believes in the marine system.
and yeah, you people need to accept your firm belief that smoker is "luffy's garp" will not be until the end of the series...for those who doubt about coby, he got probably the strongest "observation haki" in the marines and luffy is one of the dumbest pirate around. if coby masters his haki (trained by garp) then i think luffy will not fodderize him at the very least.
im even thinking smoker and tashigi getting separated in this arc. smoker might come with aokiji and tashigi gets left behind as G5 soldier. (or follows the strawhats again one way or another, one good reason : wano-kuni)
Two interesting/somewhat dumb/actually kinda feasible theories I've read in this thread today:
Who else likes Law's new shirt?
Garp never actually caught Roger so saying that Smoker is Luffy's Garp really doesn't mean anything. Just that they faced each other many times but Roger always got away. Luffy has faced Smoker may times and always got away. It's basically the same thing.
EDIT: about kinemon's nakama, im leaning on his wife (even though he said nakama) i think kaidou (or doflamingo) took over wano-kuni and kidnapped her wife. them being royalties, kinemon cannot leave the island immediately, momonosuke was the first one to look for doflamingo, and kinemon followed having no choice but to look after his son.
i like the theory of kaidou being a dragon.
also, calling this: CP9 (or at least, kaku, lucci and jyabura) are members of kaidou's crew.
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Garp never actually caught Roger so saying that Smoker is Luffy's Garp really doesn't mean anything. Just that they faced each other many times but Roger always got away. Luffy has faced Smoker may times and always got away. It's basically the same thing.
yeah, for now it may still look like it, but as i always say…i really doubt smoker will be an end game rival for luffy. so i still cant consider him his garp (if ever)
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Garp never actually caught Roger so saying that Smoker is Luffy's Garp really doesn't mean anything. Just that they faced each other many times but Roger always got away. Luffy has faced Smoker may times and always got away. It's basically the same thing.
yeah, for now it may still look like it, but as i always say…i really doubt smoker will be an end game rival for luffy. so i still cant consider him his garp (if ever)
Poor Smoker he will always have a bad experience when one of the Shichibukai show up:
First Crocodile tries to drown in Alabasta, Hancock attacks at Marineford, Law literally steals his heart and switches his body with Tashigi, and now Doflamingo tries to kill him and his entire unit (and both of Law and Doflamingo's actions occurred in the same arc).
Although some of their actions make sense from their viewpoint since their trying to cover up either some form of criminal activity or in Law's case has some alterior motive and Hancock's was neither, but just defending her love from harm.
There are other questions that are brought up though. If Doflamingo could use Busoshoku Haki, why didn't he try to kill Crocodile back at Marineford when cut off his head (although the WB war might not have concerned him as much as what is happening now with his entire operation at stake).
It also seems like Kinemon and Momonosuke will be longer non-pirate traveling companions, since it's been revealed that his comrade is imprisioned at Doflamingo's base of operations.
And another break, just as more action and revelations occur we get another break, especially after the two week break, just got over.
Two interesting/somewhat dumb/actually kinda feasible theories I've read in this thread today:
- Kaidou being a sentient dragon (maybe ate a human-human fruit like Chopper)
- Donquixote D. Flamingo (CoC haki increases this possibility)
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I don't get the Smoker hate
Vs Law
Vs Vergo
Vs Doflamingo
That said Smoker needs some redemption or something.
If Doflamingo could use Busoshoku Haki, why didn't he try to kill Crocodile back at Marineford when cut off his head (although the WB war might not have concerned him as much as what is happening now with his entire operation at stake).
i thought its more on crocodile than doflamingo, crocodile trained his fruit at max that his intagibility was automatic.
There are other questions that are brought up though. If Doflamingo could use Busoshoku Haki, why didn't he try to kill Crocodile back at Marineford when cut off his head (although the WB war might not have concerned him as much as what is happening now with his entire operation at stake).
I've always thought it was fairly obvious that DD was just screwing around in the war. His interactions with Crocodile were playful. He even invited him to work under him. He simply didn't want to kill him IMO.
also, calling this: CP9 (or at least, kaku, lucci and jyabura) are members of kaidou's crew.
That would imply that they're done with their current quest to kill Spandam and Spandine
Which would be fun and all. But probably not very likely
Besides Kaidou's crew is probably going to be all smile users
donquixote D. flamingo???? i doubt it. but i got this idea that the gorousei adopted him when he was young because of his potential.
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@wolfwoof:
That would imply that they're done with their current quest to kill Spandam and Spandine
Which would be fun and all. But probably not very likely
Besides Kaidou's crew is probably going to be all smile users
yeah, and the three of them are zoans, there had been a broker almost screaming of rob lucci. so lets see, its just a wild guess anyway. LOL
Great chapter full of info, comedy and tension. The chapters at the end of the arcs are always full of info and suprises.
DD getting to PH using the sky must mean it had been opened again. Law might have had something to do with it's closure, whatever it is. But for DD to easily defeat Smoker annoys me. Actually, I'd rather have had DD make Smoker his bitch than Law, but for it to happen twice really discredits Smoker as a threat to Luffy. Smoker used to chase Lufy about and match him in general fighting attributes, but it seems like Luffy has overtaken Smoker after 2 years. There was me thinking that Smoker was going to be what Garp was to Roger. Smoker needs a powerup (Training in 100x gravity? hidden "view on justice" powers?!?!?! Fusion with Tashigi?!?!).
The interraction on Sunny, brilliant. I always liked the scenes when the SHs were sailing on the seas being themselves. Add Law, Kinemon, Momo and even CC and it's even better. Momo's dragon face is hilarious, I'm glad Oda has continued with the instability of Momo's transformation. Franky's hair was also hilarious. The reaction of Kinemon and Momo when Kaidou is mentioned is interesting. Maybe Wano has been taken over by Kaidou and Luffy & co will defeat whoever's been left in charge (which further weakens Kaidou's power). I'm really liking the StrawHeart combo… LawHat... whatever.
Not sure why Law wants to destroy the factory on Dressrosa when he already destroyed the source. Maybe he wants to get rid of the remaining batch of fake zoan fruits. To challenge DD for that? Not sure what Law's thinking. But Kinemon has to rescue someone (a samurai most likely). Thinking about it Kinemon's a man on a mission, first Momo then another hostage.
Aokiji (now Kuzan) is back! I called it right. DD might be strong but he's not Kuzan's level. I like the way Kuzan gets DD's attention... purposely walking in to him haha - "I walked into you and I don't really give a shit... say somethin!" - nice way to piss DD off for him to turn around and exchange that for "ooooohhh shit". I don't think Kuzan will fight DD if DD doesn't want to fight. He's not a marine no more so it wouldn't benefit him... he probably just wants to make sure Smoker is safe.
Not much complaining about the marines not dying from the "extremely dangerous gas". In a chapter with so much shit happening, clever Oda he knows what he's doing.
Break next week, fuck!
I do wonder if smile users are weaker than their original counter parts
Holy smokes… I can't get over how fucking epic this chapter is.
Everything was awesome.
Oda is ther best.
Can't properly express how much I love this chapter.
donquixote D. flamingo???? i doubt it. but i got this idea that the gorousei adopted him when he was young because of his potential.
This theory is starting to look less and less likely. Doflamingo is scared of the threat of those Admirals. If the Gorosei adopted him, they wouldn't let anything dangerous happen to him.
I'm pretty sure that was Kuzan in his own seagull of justice ride.
I just have to comment… your sig is as attention grabbing as Zachri's! As with her ass-smacking Law, this familiar guy hoppin around in a pink fuzzy coat makes me stop and just stare
- Whitebeard and Raleigh both had CoC and they weren't "D's"
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I don't get the Smoker hate
Vs Law
1) He didn't know the extent of Law's full abilities
2) Law caught him off guard
3) he blocked several of Law's slashes which Tashigi and Vergo couldn't doVs Vergo
- He was able to damage him
- He was NOT TRYING TO win, he was fighting at a huge disadavantage to get Law's heart back
- He opened his body up to more attacks purposefully
Vs Doflamingo
- Doflamingo didn't get hurt in the entire war, he's strong as hell
- He has CoC (which I'm not at all surprised by since Raleigh said those who have the biggest names are most likely to have it)
That said Smoker needs some redemption or something.
This has to be some of the worst excuses I have seen to someone loosing a fight. I don't mean to be blunt but isn't that the fucking point? We don't know yet if Law has even more things up his sleeve, as his DF is ridiculous in terms of variation. I guess if Luffy and Law loose to Kaido, it's ok the first time since they didn't know his abilities. Or maybe if they loose to Doflamingo, it will be ok if he has another variation to his string attack? I can already see the example of Crocodile being used a mile away. Smoker just got his ass kicked, he himself was the one that started explained the danger of Law's powers to his crew. I don't know why Smoker has been turned into everyone's punching bag, unless it's simply to show just how strong the NW characters are, where such a strong character from before looks ordinary. I don't really like this move though maybe Oda has changed Smoker's purpose entirely from now on…
Unless someone is handicapped (someone like Zoro fighting with 1 sword instead of 3, Sanji vs a woman), anything is fair game.
DD: “Law aside”
“Strawhat is just a common pirate!!”
So DD see law more of a threat than strawhat either because of his devil fruit abilities/powers or due to his brain with impressive plannings and strategies….I am surprised that DD insulted strawhat by calling him a " just a common piarte", he is underestimating him...Luffy is going to surprise him by kicking his ass.
“The big pirate crews in the New World have divided most of the sea”
“Into spheres of influence, where they command countless underlings.” So aside from four emperors we have these underworld pirates who control many territories with countless underlings. We saw them as shadowed figures watching Ceaser's experiment on visual Den den Mushi. I wonder if all of them would be relevant to the story and would confront strawhats?.
“They reign over like a giant crime syndicate.”
I bet Alcapone is part of this crime syndicate.
“The current scale of this setup is unprecedented!!”
The credit goes to deflamingo, his business of smiles and perhaps other chemical weapons. I wonder why deflamingo didnt use smiles for himself to create an army of Zoans. He wants to become pirate king but he is not challenging any younkou, instead he is strengthening one of them with his smiles.
“The key to doing this is to reduce the strength of his forces!!”
“Kaidou has recently put in for a large purchase of fruits from Joker”
So kaido battle strength has increased tremendously with these artificial zoans and has recently put in for another order of smiles.It seems after Whitebeard death and blackbeard's havoc in New World panicked remaining yonkou, Moreover marines were bestowed upon unprecedented power by world governament. The younkou started gathering strength on new scale. Kaido relied on smiles, blackbeard is hunting Powerful devil fruits through his ability.We dont know about about shanks and big mam, what kind of new strength they have gained. In my opinion shanks has made Marco and remaing whitebeard pirates plus 43 allies as his own allies.
“The artificial zoan type devil fruits known as “SMILE””
“But it seems that there’s a risk in using these artificial ones”
What can be the risk? short life span? Limited time use? bad health?
“It was simply a practical application of the “lineage factors” that Vegapunk discovered.”
Lineage factors? Does it mean DNA/genes?…...lineage factors of whom? from where they are extracted?....... what can be the relation of these lineage factors in production of smiles?.......Perhaps devil fruits causes mutation and changes your genome permanently......
@wolfwoof:
I do wonder if smile users are weaker than their original counter parts
They most likely would be. We know it is derived from Vegapunk's "lineage factor" and CC isn't as great a scientist as Vegapunk is so he probably took some liberties to mass produce them.
@Foxy:
This theory is starting to look less and less likely. Doflamingo is scared of the threat of those Admirals. If the Gorosei adopted him, they wouldn't let anything dangerous happen to him.
It wasn't that likely to begin with lol, but being scared of admirals doesn't mean he can't be a D.
Blackbeard was scared of Akainu, so there's an example.
I doubt anyone, myself included, would bet any money on the theory lol. But the possibility definitely exists. What caught my attention initially is the similarity with how Roger's name is pronounced (in Japanese) and DD's:
Go-Ru-Do Ro-Ja ==> Go-Ru D. Ro-Ja
Do-Fu-Ra-Mi-N-Go ==> D. Fu-Ra-Mi-N-Go
In both cases replace "Do" with "D." Also "Doflamingo" is just jibberish and "flamingo" is an actual word. I'm sure Oda planned something deep with DD's character since he chose "Donquixote" as his name. Quite often Oda picks meaningful names for important characters.
I do agree with everybody that's been saying that Smoker is becoming too weak because of all the fights he's been losing.
I do understand why he lost the fights and that he did do well in them (except for against DD but he was just 2stronk).
However I think that nobody should have really seen him as a Garp anyways. I see him as a pretty good rival too but in the end i think Coby will be more of the Garp to luffy than Smoker was.
Also, I think Smoker was more-so shown and hyped in the Grand Line to get a git of an introduction to Logias and to put some emphasis on the danger of Logias and that Luffy has to learn to beat them somehow. Which he now has Haki for.
I still don't feel that Smoker's story should end here. I would be happy if Kuzan trains him for a bit and he will have at least one more confrontation or final fight with Luffy. I actually expect smoker to become a revolutionary near the end, because of his view on justice and how he reacted in Alabasta when they wanted to promote him and pretend he was the one to beat Croc. But i wouldnt want him to become a good person until him and Tashigi had one good wrap-up fight with Luffy and Zoro.
Also, forgot who said it but @ the person that said Roger got away from Garp multiple times and so did Luffy, i dont think i necessarily agree to the two cases being similiar. Roger said to Garp "we have nearly killed each other countless times". I think Roger vs Garp was a lot fiercer and even-sided than Luffy vs Smoker has ever been in any part of the story.
I've always thought it was fairly obvious that DD was just screwing around in the war. His interactions with Crocodile were playful. He even invited him to work under him. He simply didn't want to kill him IMO.
That's true since prior to the time-skip Doflamingo never really took anything seriously even when it could possibly change the structure of the world (even saying it would be funny if Whitebeard and his allies escape Marineford). Now that something actually concerns him, he's serious about cleaning up any loose ends.
I'm sure Oda planned something deep with DD's character since he chose "Donquixote" as his name. Quite often Oda picks meaningful names for important characters.
Not to mention that Buffalo says he wouldn't tarnish the Doflamingo family. Meaning there may be more to Doflamingo.
@Donkey:
DD: “Law aside”
“Strawhat is just a common pirate!!”
So DD see law more of a threat than strawhat either because of his devil fruit abilities/powers or due to his brain with impressive plannings and strategies….I am surprised that DD insulted strawhat by calling him a " just a common piarte", he is underestimating him...Luffy is going to surprise him by kicking his ass.
DD was referring to the fact that Law is a Shichibukai and Smoker has no authority over him, but the Straw Hats are common pirates, so Smoker shouldn't have let them escape.
I do agree with everybody that's been saying that Smoker is becoming too weak because of all the fights he's been losing.
I do understand why he lost the fights and that he did do well in them (except for against DD but he was just 2stronk).However I think that nobody should have really seen him as a Garp anyways. I see him as a pretty good rival too but in the end i think Coby will be more of the Garp to luffy than Smoker was.
Also, I think Smoker was more-so shown and hyped in the Grand Line to get a git of an introduction to Logias and to put some emphasis on the danger of Logias and that Luffy has to learn to beat them somehow. Which he now has Haki for.
I still don't feel that Smoker's story should end here. I would be happy if Kuzan trains him for a bit and he will have at least one more confrontation or final fight with Luffy. I actually expect smoker to become a revolutionary near the end, because of his view on justice and how he reacted in Alabasta when they wanted to promote him and rpeted he was the one to beat Croc. But i wouldnt want him to become a good person until him and Tashigi had one good wrap-up fight with Luffy and Zoro.Also, forgot who said it but @ the person that said Roger got away from Garp multiple times and so did Luffy, i dont think i necessarily agree to the two cases being similiar. Roger said to Garp "we have nearly killed each other countless times". I think Roger vs Garp was a lot fiercer and even-sided than Luffy vs Smoker has ever been in any part of the story.
I agree with you man , i mean I realize Coby may have started out as fodder BUT his development and speedy rise in rank has to lead somewhere.
I could be wrong about this entire situation but to me it seems Smoker is being put on the back burner.
It wasn't that likely to begin with lol, but being scared of admirals doesn't mean he can't be a D.
Blackbeard was scared of Akainu, so there's an example.I doubt anyone, myself included, would bet any money on the theory lol. But the possibility definitely exists. What caught my attention initially is the similarity with how Roger's name is pronounced (in Japanese) and DD's:
Go-Ru-Do Ro-Ja ==> Go-Ru D. Ro-Ja
Do-Fu-Ra-Mi-N-Go ==> D. Fu-Ra-Mi-N-GoIn both cases replace "Do" with "D." Also "Doflamingo" is just jibberish and "flamingo" is an actual word. I'm sure Oda planned something deep with DD's character since he chose "Donquixote" as his name. Quite often Oda picks meaningful names for important characters.
I have also toyed with that idea that he might be a D.
I also agree with Doflamingo's character having a deeper meaning. We are already seeing his similarities to "Don Quixote" with him being snapped out of his fantasy, with Luffy, Law, and the new generation opposing him.
They most likely would be. We know it is derived from Vegapunk's "lineage factor" and CC isn't as great a scientist as Vegapunk is so he probably took some liberties to mass produce them.
Crazy how Don and Caesar are dealing in the scraps from Vegapunk's mind and changing the power balance with just that.
Makes you wonder what the actual research has yielded for the govermnent. My money is on a fully-automatic pirate raper with extended warranty
I just noticed that Nami is wearing a shirt :p!
What an awesome chapter, it sucks that we have to wait two weeks until we see what happens
I just noticed that Aokiji has a vein on his forehead in the last picture, Doffy is gonna get his shit slapped
There's still a slight chance that Doflamingo couldn't enhance his strings with CoA haki, but only his body, during the Marineford arc. Which of course means that it was something he taught himself during the 2 year break. I know that it is not likely, but you have to keep in mind that even old characters will develop during 2 years.
Something I wonder, is it possible that other members of the Shichibukai may have the ability to use Haki as well, prior to the time-skip Hancock was only confirmed user of Haki amongest the Shichibukai. After the time-skip however it's been revealed that both Law and Doflamingo can use it as well. Also Ace was offered the position (although it's doubtful that the WG knew he could use the Haoshoku Haki).
While I'd like to think that Mihawk might be able to use it, since he was shown injuring Daz Bones (although he could just be able to cut through steel like Zoro did), I guess I won't know until he reappears.
Just got home from school and read this chapter…...................................
...........................HOLY FUCKING SHIT! THIS FUCKING CHAPTER!
Looks like ussop has something up his sleeve. In the middle panel, you can see him grinning when law explains about the plan. I want to see something awesome during the yonkou all out war.
http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/698/16
And in the bottom panel we have Zoffy :ninja:
yeah he may be working on the clima-tact…but that doesn't expleain why he's grinning....:ninja:
Actually guys if you look, Law has his hand up, he switched Zoro/Luffy's body, but I think nami was also switched with brook. Brook was drinking tea, now nami is, then brook is sleeping, so I think zoro's personalityh was in brook, and nami was in zoro, hence the "….".
aka crew clusterf`uck
Wish it was true -be hilarious- but Zoro's still sitting where he was before so its not his head on Luffy's body - pity
@Donkey:
DD: “Law aside”
“Strawhat is just a common pirate!!”
So DD see law more of a threat than strawhat either because of his devil fruit abilities/powers or due to his brain with impressive plannings and strategies….I am surprised that DD insulted strawhat by calling him a " just a common piarte", he is underestimating him...Luffy is going to surprise him by kicking his ass.
It's ironic that Doflamingo is underestimating Luffy, even though everyone knows he and his crewmates went missing for 2 years. Luffy has only shown a small amount of his power after the time skip, and is without a doubt the strongest Supernova.
“It was simply a practical application of the “lineage factors” that Vegapunk discovered.”
Lineage factors? Does it mean DNA/genes?…...lineage factors of whom? from where they are extracted?....... what can be the relation of these lineage factors in production of smiles?.......Perhaps devil fruits causes mutation and changes your genome permanently......
My theory is that Devil Fruits were created by the Ancient Kingdom in the Void Century, during the battle against the 20 Kings. The fact that Devil Fruits "reincarnate" means they have some kind of "soul."
For example, the formula for the Hie-Hie no Mi/Chilly-Chilly Fruit could be DNA/Soul + Ice.
Regardless, it looks like we're getting close to discovering the composition of Devil Fruits, which is very exciting.
Notice the similarity between Kuzan showing up here and Dragon showing up at Loguetown. Except Smoker's being saved this time. Taste of his own medicine, not a good feeling to be held down against your will is it?
yeah he may be working on the clima-tact…but that doesn't expleain why he's grinning....:ninja:
He's going to make it do magic tricks again, just to mess with Nami.