The problem with the NFP and Hodi isn't that they are weak, it's that they horrendously developed. Having them be fodder to solely show off the SHs power up is one thing but to concentrate so much on them and in particular Hodi, without giving us any personality other than stupid catch-phrases makes their characters a waste of time. You can go the CP9 route and power up the opponents and spend time with them to develop their characters for epic one-on-one battles or you can brush over them as above average fodder like with the Zombie Generals. If you try to go in between like Oda is doing in this arc you get a mess of enemies that we spend time with and develop (poorly but still) that end as useless characters that are used as fodder making all those chapters spent on or about them meaningless.
Chapter 636: "The General From The Land Of The Future"
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Yup, we can take it as it is and assume that Chopper must refer to Guard point as the point he needed Rumble Ball. So it will be consistent.
I don't know as you can see here
http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/636/12
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So you want to see them fodderize people we know are supposed to be kind of strong? I think getting into a gag fight with a warlord did that. Asking a bit much so early into part 2 if you ask me.
They're either fodder or they're not. How easily the SH's deal with them will tell us that. You already said we shouldn't expect the NFP to put up much of a resistance.
We don't know exactly how strong these guys are. The best we know of their strength is….well, let me use your words. They "are supposed to be kind of strong". As I said before, we still haven't had any 1 on 1 fights yet which would show off the enemies true and fullest potential. I know they don't stand a chance against the SH's which I guess makes them kind of fodder but really it all depends on who they're fighting. I just don't want the SH's steamrolling them like Luffy, Sanji, and Zoro did to those Pacifistas.
Overall, I basically want the NFPs to push the SH's further than they've been pushed so far after the timeskip, not asking for much. The Pacifistats didn't do anything. Neptune's Army was the epitome of fodder. Neptune himself was easily taken care of. 50,000 pirates and fishmen I believe just fainted with no apparent hard effort put forth by Luffy. The NFPs are really the only things left to push the SH's strength as much as possible. That mercenary drunken Fishman at least should prove a decent opponent for Zoro.
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You know chopper never said that he DOESN'T use rumble balls to power up his transformations so we can still stand by that theory
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I'm loving this ark so far…..I don't think it's going to end until there's a new fishmen island above the sea and the strawhats attend the world sumit with the royal family as the new "protection". which is likely when Jinbei joins. It's not like Oda to have the enemies be so one dimensional...especially since the fishmen ark was so hyped up...I'm betting that the NFP are just fodder until all the fishmen get on the ark and head for the surface...then the real enemy...maybe the one who's been supplying the energy steroid will rear their ugly heads...maybe to keep the fishmen from attending the world sumit was the purpose.....either way im glad this series is less than half way over..im 19...and ill still be checking in every week when i"m 30 hopefully :)
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I liked Daruma's contribution to the chapter. These NF pirates are losing but downing those tanks is a just enough resistance to keep them in the game. Plus, I think a rivalry is started–Chopper vs. Daruma! I didn't see it coming, but I'm just to happy to see a match set up. The antagonists are getting humiliated...but they are far from OHKO villians for what it's worth. Those guys Sanji and Zoro hit are getting up again.
What's most interesting is Noah, as any flying giant ship would be. Looks like there's going to be a plot point that prevents this thing from getting destroyed, which only complicates things more.
I also like that, in the arc where steroid users are introduced, Chopper has apparently gotten rid of his old rumble ball vice. Chopper--clean at last!
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I don't know as you can see here
http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/636/12
Guard point is in the background picture so i think the last point is monster and that oda made a little mistake.When he used agaisnt the kraken is bigger then that picture.
Perhaps use it (rumble) to reinforce it,i think people are being bit hasty judging things.And dont see problem with develpment with NFP even if they are weak.
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Wapometal Pacifistas in the New World. Can't wait.
Next chapter Franky unveils Channel 6, Unicron.
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I also like that, in the arc where steroid users are introduced, Chopper has apparently gotten rid of his old rumble ball vice. Chopper–clean at last!
No, he has to use it for 1 of his forms, still. But the difference between them is likely as big as steroids and 5-Hour Energy drinks.
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I am really sad for Horn Point. I always found it visually the best Point of all and now it is simply awful.
But it make me think… isn't it weird that Chopper is looking more like a kid now that he is older? His Brain and Guard points don't show changes in this aspect, but the Walk and Horn point surely seem much younger than before.
I thought that maybe it could be 'cause Chopper is being affected more by the DF, so he is looking younger now 'cause he is looking more like a 15yo human than before. But then I remembered the Walk Point is his original form (fully reindeer, no human at all), so the explanation doesn't fit... -
Why can't this be the full Straw Hat Crew's Jaya, with an overly-hyped and overly-grandiose villain (Bellamy/Hodi) with grand plans of changing the nature of the world (The New Era of Pirates/Fishmen) and a following of under-powered but arrogant lackeys who get casually destroyed on the way to the ultimate goal (Sky Island/New World [or Reverie, though I'd prefer not]) with legitimate villains? I understand Fishman Island has been expected for quite some time, but frankly, so has the New World.
And as far as over-doing it with the villain introductions, I would argue the reason that Bellamy Punch was one of the great moments in the series was the amount of time taken to establish him as a villain, which made it all the more impressive when Luffy plowed through him so easily for little more reason than his interference with a friend.
Big problem to me seems to be that we all had so many expectations attached to this one arc–Fishman Island teasers, the backstory on Fisher Tiger, the promise of a new crewmate, the beginning of the New World, and the end of the timeskip--that we were going to be disappointed in one way or another, and I will admit that much of the criticism is pretty sound from a technical standpoint. Personally, I'm happy; this is the most fun that's been had in the One Piece World since the beginnings of Sabaody, and I can tell Oda's as thrilled as we are to have the crew back together.
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I am really sad for Horn Point. I always found it visually the best Point of all and now it is simply awful.
But it make me think… isn't it weird that Chopper is looking more like a kid now that he is older? His Brain and Guard points don't show changes in this aspect, but the Walk and Horn point surely seem much younger than before.
I thought that maybe it could be 'cause Chopper is being affected more by the DF, so he is looking younger now 'cause he is looking more like a 15yo human than before. But then I remembered the Walk Point is his original form (fully reindeer, no human at all), so the explanation doesn't fit...I'm actually just the opposite, I thought Oda drew Horn Point so ugly during the Franky House fight. Chopper looks like a Zoroark with that hair, the design is awesome!
I bet his man form looks much older now. I have a feeling he is big! I feel certain the black sadows behind Choppers transformations are the final 2 forms. Absolutely huge.
The only dissapointment I have from the last 2 chapters is that Jinbe hasn't said anything funny. :(
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man the chapter was really awesome.chopper is all like no one is paying attention to the general..lolx.franky was SUPER cool and his cannon was also great.
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hey anybody thinks that yonkou big momma would show up and she might be the one supplying ES.fishmen just being fodder and she being the real fight??
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I am really sad for Horn Point. I always found it visually the best Point of all and now it is simply awful.
But it make me think… isn't it weird that Chopper is looking more like a kid now that he is older? His Brain and Guard points don't show changes in this aspect, but the Walk and Horn point surely seem much younger than before.
I thought that maybe it could be 'cause Chopper is being affected more by the DF, so he is looking younger now 'cause he is looking more like a 15yo human than before. But then I remembered the Walk Point is his original form (fully reindeer, no human at all), so the explanation doesn't fit…Yeah, not a fan of the new horn point.
and what are you talking about? This was Chopper's old walk point:
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and now his current one:!
He's clearly gotten older. as for the brain point, I think the only real reason that has remained virtually unchanged is so Oda could keep his new forms a surprise. Or so whoever the hell makes merchandise still has a cute form to sell.
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Why can't this be the full Straw Hat Crew's Jaya, with an overly-hyped and overly-grandiose villain (Bellamy/Hodi) with grand plans of changing the nature of the world (The New Era of Pirates/Fishmen) and a following of under-powered but arrogant lackeys who get casually destroyed on the way to the ultimate goal (Sky Island/New World [or Reverie, though I'd prefer not]) with legitimate villains? I understand Fishman Island has been expected for quite some time, but frankly, so has the New World.
And as far as over-doing it with the villain introductions, I would argue the reason that Bellamy Punch was one of the great moments in the series was the amount of time taken to establish him as a villain, which made it all the more impressive when Luffy plowed through him so easily for little more reason than his interference with a friend.
Big problem to me seems to be that we all had so many expectations attached to this one arc–Fishman Island teasers, the backstory on Fisher Tiger, the promise of a new crewmate, the beginning of the New World, and the end of the timeskip--that we were going to be disappointed in one way or another, and I will admit that much of the criticism is pretty sound from a technical standpoint. Personally, I'm happy; this is the most fun that's been had in the One Piece World since the beginnings of Sabaody, and I can tell Oda's as thrilled as we are to have the crew back together.
That's an excellent way of looking at it. Maybe this Fishman Island arc could be so much more, but I'm personally enjoying it just as a return to business as usual for the crew with the possibility of adding yet another new member. I'll wait 'til they actually make it to the New World for the grand-scale arc we've gotten used to lately.
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Why can't this be the full Straw Hat Crew's Jaya, with an overly-hyped and overly-grandiose villain (Bellamy/Hodi) with grand plans of changing the nature of the world (The New Era of Pirates/Fishmen) and a following of under-powered but arrogant lackeys who get casually destroyed on the way to the ultimate goal (Sky Island/New World [or Reverie, though I'd prefer not]) with legitimate villains? I understand Fishman Island has been expected for quite some time, but frankly, so has the New World.
And as far as over-doing it with the villain introductions, I would argue the reason that Bellamy Punch was one of the great moments in the series was the amount of time taken to establish him as a villain, which made it all the more impressive when Luffy plowed through him so easily for little more reason than his interference with a friend.
Big problem to me seems to be that we all had so many expectations attached to this one arc–Fishman Island teasers, the backstory on Fisher Tiger, the promise of a new crewmate, the beginning of the New World, and the end of the timeskip--that we were going to be disappointed in one way or another, and I will admit that much of the criticism is pretty sound from a technical standpoint. Personally, I'm happy; this is the most fun that's been had in the One Piece World since the beginnings of Sabaody, and I can tell Oda's as thrilled as we are to have the crew back together.
You know the author has done something right when you keep expecting epic arcs from him XD.
I personally trust Oda's storytelling, after all the arcs he has gone through so far. I'm sure he has something big planned for Fishman Island. He wouldn't just waste Arlong's sister for no reason! (I hope)
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The only dissapointment I have from the last 2 chapters is that Jinbe hasn't said anything funny. :(
Come on man!!!! Choking out a Fishman while commenting on Surume's Bros. was pure Gold!!!!! xDD
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So wait… if Chopper only needs Rumble ball for one point... why did he eat a rumble ball back during the Surume fight so he could turn into his defense point?
Does not add up.. Looks like Oda made a lil whoopsie :P
My guess is that he did it out of force of habit. Oda I doubt wanted to show that chopper can do his rumble forms without the rumble ball right away. Thats a big thing for chopper and he prefered giving of little teases of their new abilities here and there at the time.
On the whole form thing if chopper only has 7 including monster I'd say that he combined arm and jump to form Kung-fu point. If he didn't include monster point in that quote then I'd say Kung-fu is and upgrade of arm point.
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Chopper has his 7 Points that have been established since the Drum Arc. These are Walk Point, Heavy Point, Brain Point, Arm Point, Horn Point, Jumping Point, and Guard Point.
Now, in Enies Lobby, he turned into a "monster," in Chapter 407: Monster.Now, he has a new point called Kung-Fu Point.
What this chapter is trying to establish is that "Monster" was never a Point. It just began being called one, but Chopper himself has never called it a Point. He has never announced it as a Point. It just became the "name" for it. Oda never seems to acknowledge it either. Chapter 407 is not called Monster Point, it is called Monster. Chopper is separating the Monster Form from his Points in this chapter. Chopper is, in fact, saying afterwards that he can also be a "monster." Thus, Monster Form is not a Point.
Now, Kung-Fu is not replacing any of his points. It is his eighth point, true. But, let's do the math. Chopper says at the top of Page 12 of Chapter 636 that he can change into his OTHER 6 whenever. On the page before, he says that there is a separate form he can change into that requires his rumble ball. So, he says his OTHER 6, so Horn is 1, since he is in his Horn Point, then his other 6 that he can use whenever he wishes. Then the is the 1 that he needs to use the Rumble Ball. 1 +6 + 1 = 8. This make 8 in total. So, that is not a plot hole.
Involving the identity of the Point that requires the Rumble Ball. As mentioned by other posters, I am going to figure that this may be Guard Point. Either that, or it may be Kung-Fu Point, being the newest, and he possibly ingested a rumble ball off-screen. This would mean that we may be receiving an explanation that a rumble ball increases the uses of the techniques to fix that in the plot.
My personal theory is that guard point is bigger because it has been improved, just as it seems that his other abilities have been improved, like Chopper said. But, considering he ingested a Rumble Ball when he was using Guard Point earlier, then I can only figure, at this point in time, that Guard Point is the 1 Point that still requires a Rumble Ball.
Alright then, now that I got that out of the way, let me just say that I felt that this chapter was definitely better than the last one. Nami, Usopp, Chopper, and Franky are all so amazing and badass. To be honest, the Weakling Trio don't seem very weak anymore. In fact, so far, I think Usopp and Nami are fantastic. I REALLY want to see more of them. Chopper is much improved. I'm so proud of that little cute goddam reindeer!!! Franky is freaking amazing. I can't believe he made a giant robot and gave Vegapunk kudos. Epic.
I understand where others are coming from when they say that this arc is not really challenging, but if you notice, neither was the first arc of the show, the Captain Morgan arc. When Oda introduced Shirahoshi, and had Luffy call her weak, similar to Coby, I think it means that Oda is trying to mirror this arc as the New Word version of the Alvida/Captain Morgan Arc. Since Oda had Fishman Island as the first major arc after the timeskip, I feel Oda didn't want to make a quick little arc. So, he made an arc with back stories and new characters just like all of his past longer arcs. But, to reflect the first arc of the show, Oda wants the villian to not be on the same level as Luffy. The same goes for the rest of the crew. Now, many of the enemies are sort of fodder in power level compared to the Straw Hat crew. We are being reintroduced to everyone's powers, and Oda is reestablishing the power status of the crew, just as he did at the beginning of the show with Luffy and Zoro.
So, my feeling is this. Hody is an average villain. But, he was meant to be an average villain. Not a bad villain, but not a great villain either. But, there may be more to the arc, maybe a different villain may come out of nowhere. I can't really say. But, what I can say is that I won't be mad if this arc is primarily how we see it as it is now. Just this fight, and then the arc is over. I will agree that as a villain, Hody could have been better developed though. Maybe Oda was rushing because he was itching to get to where he is right now with the story because he was excited to show off the new Straw Hat powers. I can't say. But, what I will say is that I wouldn't be surprised if there was a certain way that Oda wanted Hody to come off, and that he didn't want Hody to be this crazy, well-developed villain, just like Alvida/Captain Morgan. Oda wanted Hody to be an average villain. This is just my theory.
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Come on man!!!! Choking out a Fishman while commenting on Surume's Bros. was pure Gold!!!!! xDD
Yeah, like Robin last chapter: she was commenting Sanji's sky walk while breaking a NFP's neck. Such a sweethearth :D
By the way, Franky is a Zord now. My blue power ranger spirit is growling.
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kick ass chapter. Can't wait to see Chopper's Monster Point.
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The problem with the NFP and Hodi isn't that they are weak, it's that they horrendously developed. Having them be fodder to solely show off the SHs power up is one thing but to concentrate so much on them and in particular Hodi, without giving us any personality other than stupid catch-phrases makes their characters a waste of time. You can go the CP9 route and power up the opponents and spend time with them to develop their characters for epic one-on-one battles or you can brush over them as above average fodder like with the Zombie Generals. If you try to go in between like Oda is doing in this arc you get a mess of enemies that we spend time with and develop (poorly but still) that end as useless characters that are used as fodder making all those chapters spent on or about them meaningless.
Except it was required to develop these characters, in order to understand the weight of history for those fishmen. The purpose is not to develop extra strong characters just to give the SH some good fights, the purpose is to tell a story and have the SH write their own inside of it.
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I liked this chapter, it was pretty fun.
Chopper looks teenager-y? Cool!
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If Chopper learned to control his Monster Point I don't see him in the weakling trio. I don't get his being in the weakling trio in the first place actually.
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so, are we gonna have chapter titles for every nakama? first is for sanji then this one is franky's.
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Annnd … it looks like we've got confirmation via this chapter cover that Wapol's evil empire is not located on Drum Island (or if it is, that Dalton and his Lapan peace-keepers are keeping it from expanding into the boundaries of town. Things look pretty good there, so it's probably safe to assume that (the true) Drum is safe.
About Surume's brothers: now I'm wondering if the 3 shadow squid seen in the Florian Triangle mist were related, too. If Chopper's human point looks completely human now (as some folks are guessing, since Oda chose deliberately not to show it), then I could also see that becoming the thing that gets him a higher bounty later on, because if the WG saw Chopper fighting with the SH in human form, they'd probably be less likely to think of him as a "pet" and more as a "crewmate."
Nami's new weapon is great. Sort of like a weather-based pea-shooter. It's good because it's compact and seems to work instantly. The Climatact, if I'm remembering correctly, always had to have a bit of warm-up time and fussing with. So this new one makes her able to do close-up, immediate fighting in tight spaces.
And Franky. Wow.
Oda is really making up for putting Franky largely on autopilot just before the time-skip.Kind of sad how Zeo and Hyozu are being ignored, but with the chance of Brook vs Hyozu being a fight, I don't care that much.
Where the hell is the drunk swordsmen? He was hyped up by Luffy and everyone. I wanna see a legit fight from the NFP for once
I'm glad that the drunk octopus is being ignored, actually, because this is turning into a fodder battle, and I don't want him to be fodder. Look at it this way: the more he's withheld from this kind of chapter, the more likely it is that he'll feature in a multiple-chapter spotlight-fight with a single SH.
Not Brooke, but Zoro.
Sorry.
Makes my spine tingle just anticipating it. Take all the time you need Oda!you might as well do it all by somehow damaging Luffy's strawhat too now.
Amen.
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I've always found Oda's "women don't understand a man's romance" amusing, ever since Jaya.
Yep.
Whats with the "Wapometal" and Vegapunk's dream. I'm assuming Wapometal is stuff that Wapal chewed on and brought to life but i can't be certain about that or how it makes Franky's new robot special. Why couldn't have he have made it out of normal metal, or does it power itself or change easily. Also it makes me wonder whether Wapol has had anything to do wit the Pacifistas. But i could just be reading way too much into the Wap part of wapometal.
Also, if Vegapunk is still with the navy, I'm wondering what they're doing with wapometal. I'm so hoping for giant robot fights.
Re-reading Wapol's cover-story from a few years ago should answer most of your questions, but basically, Wapol sold toys with a particularly durable metal that he invented, and the toys were noticed by a scientist who was amazed by the metal. Word got around quickly, and soon Wapol became a quadzillionaire (with trophy wife) from it. One theory circulating now is that the WG gave Wapol an island to rule as a way of gaining access to huge amounts of Wapolmetal. So it's very likely that Wapolmetal is the metal of choice for the latest version of Pacifista, and that's what it was specifically acquired for. So yes, giant robot fights are go!
Except it was required to develop these characters, in order to understand the weight of history for those fishmen. The purpose is not to develop extra strong characters just to give the SH some good fights, the purpose is to tell a story and have the SH write their own inside of it.
It doesn't matter who they fight, it matters why they fight.Well said!
EDIT: Whoops – looks like I was wrong about the size of Nami's weapon. Since Oda drew it with a lot of foreshortening, it seemed smaller than it actually probably is. The first picture shows it to be the same size as the old climatact, while the others make it appear to be smaller, but it probably isn't.
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Not bad. Chopper looks hilarious and Franky doesn't seem bad either.
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I sympathize with the sentiment that if this is all there is to the NFP, Oda really botched it in spending the amount of time he did on building them up. Having almost two whole chapters of _re_introductions and hints of abilities was bearable because you expected it to mean that they are still somewhat important characters. Otherwise it was a huge waste spending that time on it. Don't think anyone is asking for BW-esque or even AP-esque fights but a lot more than them being one-shotted almost in passing.
However I'd sooner conclude that there is more to them than getting one-paneled on the sidelines. Keep in mind they are on dry ground and not using any ES. Fishmen are at their best underwater and we are on Fishman Island, with many submerged areas and the ocean floor right outside of it. In addition, everything going down nice-and-neat in the Plaza, everyone conveniently gathered up, is way too un-OP like. I expect something to throw the island into chaos - looking like Noah's arrival - and the NFP escape, regroup and power-up and later will meet the SHs again in environments more to their favor and buffed up with ES from the start. That still won't be enough to give them high difficulty battles, which is all for the better, but it should let them go beyond casual one-paneling as their build-up demands.
On the page before, he says that there is a separate form he can change into that requires his rumble ball. So, he says his OTHER 6, so Horn is 1, since he is in his Horn Point, then his other 6 that he can use whenever he wishes. Then the is the 1 that he needs to use the Rumble Ball. 1 +6 + 1 = 8. This make 8 in total
I'm not entirely sure about this. If we look at the dialogue:
"In these 2 years I completely renewed and reinforced the 7 transformation points! I only need the "Rumble Ball" for one transformation! I'm able to freely change into the other 6 whenever I want!" It looks more to me like he is indeed saying that he needs the RB for one of those seven rather than for an eighth point. I think it might be something like this:
- Horn Point –> Horn Point, but with strengthened arms from Arm Point (and perhaps legs from JP too)
- Brain Point --> Brain Point
- Walking Point --> Walking Point
- Guard Point --> Guard Point (much bigger)
- Arm Point --> (Kung Fu Point) or Arm Point or ?
- Jumping Point –> (Kung Fu Point) or Arm Point or ?
- Heavy Point –> melded somehow with the monster form, overall physically top form, requires RB - and the RB also empowers each of the other points. May still be called HP or have a new name, I'd like the latter.
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A long time ago when we were all discussing what we thought the new straw hats would look like. I said I wanted Franky to be a gundam like mecha. Now my dream has come true.
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Okay, I gotta say that at first, I wasn't too impressed by this chapter. Plus the annoying downtime of APforums; but I guess that's normal and happens from time to time. Cover was decent, but nothing special. Then came the whole Franky-robot docking part, which I am not a big fan of, and it wasn't very spectacular.
Daruma's facefault on the other hand was much more enjoyable. :ninja:However, we got a very interesting revelation from this - Wapometal. Again. I like how this ties together. Now I wonder if in the Anime, they will finally realise that Wapol's coverstory would be a good thing to show before coming to this part, and that Enel's story, too, for example, might be important later on. Overall, the Iron Pirate "Franky Shogun" was kind of boring.
Then, it got better though: Nami freakin' blocking a sword slash with her clima tact, and that awesome attack of hers made up for the stuff before. Usopp's Bamboo Javelin was damn awesome, too.I'm a bit confused over Chopper's powers though. I remember someone suggesting he could dig with this form, which we have already seen on the one colour spread a few chapters back, so props for that. However, it seems they're not new forms, but instead alterations of his old ones - did I get that right? In that case, I am disappointed. Chopper's old Horn Point looked so much more badass than this cute-ish thing with giant horns and "misproportioned" body/face in comparison. Does that mean "Kung Fu point" is the new Arm Point? I'm not really following this explanation anymore. Or was it a mistranslation, which would explain it…. If NOT though, then the only 2 forms missing are Jumping Point and Human Point - curious to see those. But again, if it's really how it was stated here, then I'm pretty disappointed with his development... sigh
The one nice touch we got from Chopper though, which really made me smile, was that he called himself a "monster", which means he's not ashamed anymore of how people saw him in the past - instead, he has gained confidence and is proud of what he is and what he has become. That is one real great character development right there, I tell ya.
The stuff about Surume having siblings is interesting - Florian Triangle and those monster arms, anyone? It's at least a possibility to consider.
And then - holy fuck - the greatest page so far for me. From this entire arc, definitely, and I don't know how many can be considered more epic than this one. You all know which I am talking about, of course:
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! That's right. Luffy just casually proceeding forward, those two Fishman jumping on him, but he's not even bothered in the slightest bit - and Zoro and Sanji come out of nowhere and OHKO these guys, with basic attacks. Notice how there's no Diable Jambe on Sanji kicking? I remember at least Ryuk, Coruscation and myself being bothered by the non-stop big-name attacks being thrown out there like it was Christmas. Although there's still the possibility he used it and one just cannot see it as well, but nevertheless, it looks like he didn't - and it was a named villain. Plus, Luffy doesn't use Gear 2 against Hody when kicking his teeth out. Finally.
This totally kills every possibility of those guys being a serious threat, of Hody being a threat, of the whole lot of the NFP being a threat. Also, it leaves exactly 2 out of the group left to fight (excluding Hody) - Hyouzo for Zoro, and Zeo for Sanji. However, I don't think that's even necessary - there WILL be an extension to this arc, with this chapter there is just no fucking way that those guys are the big baddies. It just doesn't happen that way. Ever. It's a Shonen. Juvar out.
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To put aside Franky's awesomeness for a while, it looks like we have our first match-ups.
Chopper vs Daruma
Zoro vs Dosun
Sanji vs IkarosChoppers fight was pretty expected, but if these truly are the match-ups I'm surprised that Zoro wont be fighting Hyozou. Hopefully Brook'll fight him instead.
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Nami and Robin, forever unimpressed by the dreams of men.
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It's really interesting that Oda had the whole "Wapo steel" thing planned from so many years ago.. http://www.mangareader.net/103-2363-11/one-piece/chapter-256.html a reminder, this is the chapter where it was first revealed (256)!
I don't understand why people are whining so much about NFP char development, after all isn't that the way it was in the beginning of the story? The only threats were Krieg and then Crocodile, the rest was basically fodderish just like the NFP are now, even though they got character development as well.
EDIT: Also, I don't think there will be new Pacifistas with 'transformer-like' abilities like Franky. Remember when Zoro cut a Pacifista the first time? He said it was harder than steel, in other words, the Pacifistas probably already had wapo steel in them to begin with. What Franky did was to REALIZE Vegapunks FORMER dream, of creating a transformer-like robot. It would really make Frankys achievement less of a big deal if he wasn't the first to create it. There's a possibility that there might be other robots like frankys later in the stories, but for now, I'm pretty sure Franky is the only one who has utilized the Wapo steel in such a way.
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Just gotta say its such a great thing to see the Strawhats just being awesome. After all the struggling and losses in Thriller Bark/Sabaondy/all of the Whitebeard War arc it's very satisfying. However none of the villain characters still aren't very interesting. That's the one big annoying thing about this arc for me. I suppose that will be fixed with their fights.. I hope.
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I see that nobody Is commenting on Luffy in this Chapter.
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Hmm… Vegapunk?
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So I heard YOU LIKE KICKS IN THE HEA****D G2 in the mouth bitch
And yes Sanji nad Zoro were epic too, others aswel
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Luffy didn't use G2 to kick Hody, did he? There's certainly no steam to be seen.
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It looks like i got banned but i don t know why, anyway great chapter.
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Idk, but he did move fast.
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Idk, but he did move fast.
He moved fast cause he is pissed off.
G1 Pissed off Luffy = G2 Idiot luffy
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Another fun chapter that's full of simple pleasures and now moving on to more serious stuff. I still enjoy these.
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Good to see Dalton, but I was honestly hoping for the 141 year old. Oh well, next week! And hey, he has lapahns working for him, which I have no idea how he pulled off lol. I guess it's confirmation that Wapol didn't come back, so my theory that he was gifted an island that refused to secede to the World Government still stands (like the ones where citizens get shipped to Tequila Wolf).
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Aww Surume has a job and… hey! Daruma did something to fight back!
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Franky Shougun!! Props to the people who noticed that the sides of Franky's bike were suspiciously similar to his arms last week. The best part about this mecha is the drill pompadour. That thing freaking rocks. All the reactions add so much to it, too. From the fishmen to Usopp/Chopper/Luffy to Nami/Robin. This makes me happier with the vehicles from last week, but I'm still waiting to see Franky fight people on his own. But most importantly...
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Wapometal. I knew Franky would complete Vegapunk's heating device, but that was pretty obvious I think. I had no idea he'd use wapometal to do it, though, and the idea confuses me. Well, the idea of acquiring it confuses me, to be more accurate. I really can't figure out how he got his hands on the stuff to save my life, but I'm just going to move past it. Maybe it'll be explained later and maybe it won't. What's really interesting about all of this is the description of the stuff. I always figured it was just some super strong alloy, but it turns out what makes it unique is the fact that it's flexible. This would explain what happened to the walls Whitebeard couldn't break (they were bent and sprung back), assuming they were made of the stuff. I wonder if Wapol got the idea from fighting Luffy, and realized the advantages of rubber for himself. He then decided to combine metal and rubber together. If you think about it, an earthquake isn't going to crack rubber like it will to metal.
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Yay Nami's doing stuff. It's a shame that the AoE queen is only fighting one guy for now, but I begrudgingly admit that it's good to see that she has 1v1 capability. It's nice to see she still uses the trisection staff design, and it's also nice to see that holster in her belt is actually used (hopefully the rest of the stuff on that belt is important too). The gust sword attack is pretty cool. I suppose that might be one of her basic attacks going forward. No sign of wind knots, though, and I hope they aren't already obsolete.
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Usopp's attack is cool, but there isn't much to say about it. At least it's nice to see his character development with him becoming braver.
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Chopper takes the upgrade cake for the chapter. I'm almost universally wrong when I analyze Chopper, but I'll try again anyway. Kung Fu Point and the 7 transformation limit proves to us that the points aren't the same anymore. Arm and jumping point, at least, seem to have been merged into other forms instead. Heavy Point (human form) is still hidden, and that fact is pretty much tossed in our face to tell us that's intentional. It may have taken some of those aspects with it (such as arm point). Now that rumble balls are less necessary, the 3 rumble limit seems all the more necessary. That being the case, I still think Monster Point is hiding at the end like it used to. One reason being a limiter, and the other reason being that it would overshadow all of his other forms by too much if he could just use and control it at will. It's been pointed out at length, I'm sure, that he used a rumble ball for guard point while on the ship. Does that mean guard point is the form that requires the rumble ball? Seems kinda silly for that to be the case. Is it a mistake? Does he use rumble balls to simply strengthen his other forms now as well? Is there some other option staring me in the face that I can't see? I don't dare to speculate, because I'm sure to be wrong.
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So Hody controls surume by threatening his family, all while Jinbe strangles some random dude. Hody certainly is good at being a dick, even if he's bad at being a credible villain. The scene of Zoro and Sanji blindsiding Dosun and Icaros is pretty cool, and very nostalgic of Strong World. Also, Luffy moved faster than they could track without gear 2. Take that, silly powerup debate. The matchups all seem to be misleading so far. We know Zoro will fight Hyouzou if anyone, and Daruma's love for bones should put him up against Brook. At least Luffy vs Hody feels sort of right. But then again, this is all too straight forward. It's about time for this arc to be flipped on its head.
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And right on queue, there's Noah. Neptune's comments interest me greatly. Noah seems to be hiding secrets. Are those secrets within it or under it or something else? Hard to say. This is the fourth referenced prophecy that's hanging over the plot now, giving us Luffy's, VDD's, Shirahoshi's, and now Noah's. Not one of them has been resolved, and two of them are still total mysteries. I still foresee a trip to the Reverie coupled with a huge incident involving despicable world nobles, increased bounties, and Jinbe joining as a result. However, what happens between now and then is something I feel totally blind to, and the answers are probably hiding somewhere in front of me.
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Hmmm. Maybe deep in the ark there are guys strong as hyozu.
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So that ends the chopper and hody being the same argument
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So now Luffy can use Soru without being in G2 mode. Interresting…
And Hodi, why the need to take all this pills to get once again ass kicked by a strawhat ? Maybe he likes it :ninja:
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Does that mean guard point is the form that requires the rumble ball? Seems kinda silly for that to be the case. Is it a mistake? Does he use rumble balls to simply strengthen his other forms now as well?
I think it would make sense if the Rumble Ball, in addition to being required for one more form, also powers up the other ones. If that wasn't the case, the final form risks overshadowing the rest which would be a bit regrettable with how Chopper's "thing" has been how the various forms are good for different situations and he flows seamlessly between them to be as effective as possible. Basically, the RB is now Chopper's "G2" rather than being the only thing that allowed him to be strong in a fight at all.
Also, anyone want to take a stab at how he actually managed this development? The additional Zoan transformations are supposed to come from the RB's properties messing with those of the DF's, or something. Given that, I would find it a bit odd if the RB's properties had nothing to do with it whatsoever. Maybe when he said "For you, Luffy, I'll become an actual monster!!" that was foreshadowing him actually biologically modifying his own body to contain the RB's properties within his blood circulation, giving him permanent access to those basic forms but missing the one that requires a stronger "dose". To take it further, this could even mirror what caused Hody to permanently transform from taking so many ES and Chopper would be the one to explain this because he has done it himself… but of course in a "nicer" way, moving along carefully and step-by-step.
Or maybe that's just looking way too much into it, but it'd be pretty cool.
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so the big error about chopper transformations is confirmed?
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Whats with the "Wapometal" and Vegapunk's dream. I'm assuming Wapometal is stuff that Wapal chewed on and brought to life but i can't be certain about that or how it makes Franky's new robot special. Why couldn't have he have made it out of normal metal, or does it power itself or change easily. Maybe it'll look more fluid in the anime. Also it makes me wonder whether Wapol has had anything to do wit the Pacifistas. But i could just be reading way too much into the Wap part of wapometal.
Well, Franky said that he used Wapometal and its shape memory alloy.
This could mean the metal "remembers" when it is used to be part of a robot or used as a bike/tank.
BTW I think there could be even more transformations among the sunny's "soldiers".
Maybe even the Sunny itself can be used to dock with its soldiers to create - lets say - BF40!
That'd be supppppeeeeeerrrrrrr~~~~~~-awesum!
I'm technician engineer, so I feel with Franky and speculated the stuff bout Wapometal.
There is sth similar in the real world: a metal that remembers a certain shape once it reaches a certain temperature. It's used in vains to expand 'em and make the blood flow better.
IMO Chopper has 7 points AND monster form.
until now we've seen nuhorn, karate, guard, speed/reindeer, brain/tiny, that means human/heavy point is missing and IMO jump is missing.
IMO he used the RB in 605 to make his uard point even bigger than it already is.
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wasn't Luffy almost as fast as CP9 blueno without usin G2? When he used G2 back then, Blueno didn't stand a chance anymore against Luffy.
I'll wait til Noa reaches FI entirely b4 I say that NFP are disappointment.
Of course the SHs already defeated fishmen b4 reaching GL, but now they have the E.S. Oda didn't bring them up 4 nuffin'.
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I suppose that Vegapunk's improved the Pacifista with Wapometal. Now they'll be even harder to destroy.