I think once in the beginning it was stated that they are reborn as "cleansed" soul without memories, or move to Soul Society (after all, those babies have to come from somewhere).
Might be mixing this up though.
Naruto and Bleach: Let's put this thread to bed I
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What is the whole circle of life thing in Soul Society
What happens to the millions of hollows souls that an espada had to kill and eat in order to become as it is? Do they go to soul society or hell, or are they stuck in the espada? When the espada dies, then do millions of souls get released?What happens when a Shinigami dies? Or someone in soul society, do they get reborn as a human then?
It seems obvious, that we'll never know.
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Naruto: Oh my God, that Konoha 11 was pathetic. This is basically an outright admission by Kishi that he's done fuck all to develop these characters. Shino's was great, as were Tenten's thoughts of generic concern. Oh yeah, and three pages of Sasukes footprints! THOSE JAPANESE TEENS WILL JIZZ THEIR PANTS!
Bleach: So yeah, I'm just gonna call these new characters Shinji and Asuka (or maybe Hanataro clone and bitch girl #34 if you prefer). Not terrible, I guess, but it was all just so dull, cliched and unremarkable.
And the lamb lies down on Broadway
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Why hello there Mayuri. Aren't you looking crazy today.
So, new Bleach chapter. New shinigami incompetence. Why send in fresh grunts when there's an emeregency at large? Or even better, why send fresh grunts to a city protected by smug-once-more Ichigo and two ex-captains and those other people?
Also, three new faces on the cover. Who's the new Aizen? Bearded man, goldylocks, high collar?
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Bleach: So yeah, I'm just gonna call these new characters Shinji and Asuka (or maybe Hanataro clone and bitch girl #34 if you prefer).
I hope this arc goes like End of, then.
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@Cyan:
I hope this arc goes like End of, then.
Well, Bleach Asuka has already possibly been killed by giant monsters.
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I think once in the beginning it was stated that they are reborn as "cleansed" soul without memories, or move to Soul Society (after all, those babies have to come from somewhere).
Might be mixing this up though.
Well what I'm thinking about is the espada. It was confirmed I believe that at least ONE of the espada died. Thus what happened to all the souls he killed?
He had to kill thousands of hollows to become a menos grande, then thousand menos grande's to become higher level, then thousand at that level to finally become espada or something along those lines.
So 1,000 + (1,000 x 1,000) + (1,000 x (1,000 x 1,000)) = 1,001,001,000
For each espada they had to do like a billion souls.
But lets say they become REBORN. Then all of a sudden there are 1 billion souls that will be reborn. how does soul society handle that many new babies.
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Where's DAz's calculations on how fucked up Hollow genesis is.
@Hinscher:But lets say they become REBORN. Then all of a sudden there are 1 billion souls that will be reborn. how does soul society handle that many new babies.
Same way they handle everything else: indiscriminate murder.
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Since Ichigo came and changed Soul Society it has become indiscriminate murder with a touch of kindness.
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Where's DAz's calculations on how fucked up Hollow genesis is.
Same way they handle everything else: indiscriminate murder.Burried under all our bitching. But in a nutshell, just Aizen's group was made up of more souls then all the humans that ever existed. Unless Kubo believes in these "ancient" tools findings from like 500 000 years ago which crop up from time to time.
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Since Ichigo came and changed Soul Society it has become indiscriminate murder with a touch of kindness.
I demand a pic of Yamamoto as Dubček.
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So, are the rookie 11 going to arrive to help Naruto just to get one shotted? After all, they "just get in naruto's way". And now that he's not a powerup beyond what he was last time he was leagues beyond them… he's a powerup past THAT... really, it seems silly.
Pain would have been a better time for them to showup. Its fine for the uber powered lead to go solo against the final big bad. Goku did it all the time and it never felt wrong. But here? Meh.
I guess its because they didn't get to fight and try FIRST, before Naruto arrived. (Not on camera, and not against anything but unnamed Zetsu fodders.) Being the first wave and giving your all to stall for time is a lot more interesting than being the backup and just... watching after the lead has done all the hard work.
For each espada they had to do like a billion souls.
But lets say they become REBORN. Then all of a sudden there are 1 billion souls that will be reborn. how does soul society handle that many new babies.
Same way Konan's 600 billion tags get dealt with. Don't think about the math.
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@RobbyBevard:
Same way Konan's 600 billion tags get dealt with. Don't think about the math.
I can ignore a lot of things, but not math. Maybe thats why I'm an accountant.
Couldn't he have thought for ahlf a second and replaced the thousands to just hundred. I mean if hundred you end up with only a million. Very easily understandable.
I mean even ignoring how there would have to be like 10 billion people just to satisfy the espada's numbers. Its not just hte number thats astounding its that in order to originally become a hollow you have to not ascend to heaven. That means those 10 billion were originally spirits waiting around for ichigo to put a flower in their vase. I mean does no one die happily in thsi world or what. Seems like ichigo should be seeing 10 spirits every block with the amount of hollows in the world.
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I can ignore a lot of things, but not math. Maybe thats why I'm an accountant.
Couldn't he have thought for ahlf a second and replaced the thousands to just hundred. I mean if hundred you end up with only a million. Very easily understandable.
I mean even ignoring how there would have to be like 10 billion people just to satisfy the espada's numbers. Its not just hte number thats astounding its that in order to originally become a hollow you have to not ascend to heaven. That means those 10 billion were originally spirits waiting around for ichigo to put a flower in their vase. I mean does no one die happily in thsi world or what. Seems like ichigo should be seeing 10 spirits every block with the amount of hollows in the world.
SS is so incompetent they actualy didn't rest the souls of more people then there ever existed.
Answer for every SS related question ever.
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Wait, so does this mean the entire zombie war is now over sans Madara? The remaining swordsmen, Dan, Chiyo and Nejis dad just presumably got beaten off panel? Naruto really did win everything by himself with those clones?
…Wow. How mind numbingly underwhelming this war has been.I can ignore a lot of things, but not math. Maybe thats why I'm an accountant.
Couldn't he have thought for ahlf a second and replaced the thousands to just hundred. I mean if hundred you end up with only a million. Very easily understandable.
I mean even ignoring how there would have to be like 10 billion people just to satisfy the espada's numbers. Its not just hte number thats astounding its that in order to originally become a hollow you have to not ascend to heaven. That means those 10 billion were originally spirits waiting around for ichigo to put a flower in their vase. I mean does no one die happily in thsi world or what. Seems like ichigo should be seeing 10 spirits every block with the amount of hollows in the world.
Actually, a revised version of my calculations sent the number of souls into the trillions. Grimmjows Posse mentione that for an Adjuchas to evolve to Vastro Lorde, they had to eat continually stronger (i.e. more soul stuffed) Hollows, if they ate weaker ones they would regress. So adjusting for Grimmjow eating thousands of fellow adjuchas of increasing strenght, it becomes even more outlandish.
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This Naruto chapter killed me inside. All that forced characterization…
Especially Kiba saying Naruto is his rival... WHAT?
My favorite one is Shino saying he's going to surpass Naruto, then Kishi speaks through him saying, "...I don't need a reason"
NICE.
Then there's Sai, "So this is the power of friendship?" You don't have friends Sai.
Rock Lee just told you to cheer up, that doesn't mean you're friends.
On to Bleach:
A chapter that took longer that 2 minutes to read? WORDS, in Bleach? WORDS?
My god. Gotta love SS's stupidity though, it never really ends does it. They send people without even shikai releases to fight strong hollows... wow.
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@The:
Wait, so does this mean the entire zombie war is now over sans Madara? The remaining swordsmen, Dan, Chiyo and Nejis dad just presumably got beaten off panel? Naruto really did win everything by himself with those clones?
…Wow. How mind numbingly underwhelming this war has been.Since you know, Neji's dad would have been one of the only interesting zombies of the lot. And would have involved giving screentime to one of the 11.
And yet Sai gets to have his heart to heart with hi… ugh. Nevermind.
So, how long till Jiraiya shows up?
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So I wonder what's happening with the real Madara versus the Kages? That thing that was actually exciting?
Offscreened like what happened with the Swordsman? I hope not but it seems likely at this point.
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@RobbyBevard:
So, how long till Jiraiya shows up?
Are you implying Tobidara is not Jiraiya? He's just giving his pupil a little tough love to make sure he becomes the savior of the world.
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I can ignore a lot of things, but not math. Maybe thats why I'm an accountant.
Couldn't he have thought for ahlf a second and replaced the thousands to just hundred. I mean if hundred you end up with only a million. Very easily understandable.
I mean even ignoring how there would have to be like 10 billion people just to satisfy the espada's numbers. Its not just hte number thats astounding its that in order to originally become a hollow you have to not ascend to heaven. That means those 10 billion were originally spirits waiting around for ichigo to put a flower in their vase. I mean does no one die happily in thsi world or what. Seems like ichigo should be seeing 10 spirits every block with the amount of hollows in the world.
Hey it's Hinscher, hi Hinsher, how are you.
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@Monkey:
Hey it's Hinscher, hi Hinsher, how are you.
why hi? I have been here for a while.
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I needed that break.
Super speedy play-by-play since I'm too lazy to check what the topic is.
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Naruto: Pulls out peg
Kurama: Yes, that's how you are.
HIS EXPRESSION IS SO TOUCHING!!
Goku: I taught you how to stop me, not how to save me.
Wow. That moment actually has kind of a sad weight to it.
Goku: Let's brofist.
Fuck you Kishi.
Statue: Sucks in Yobi that was still chained to it
I will be honest, this doesn't feel like an asspull. As bad as Kishi is he probably did think of the sealing statue problem beforehand, and I like the idea of the tailed beasts being chained.
Madara: I will show you all my precious things now.
He's a tripod?
Tailed Beasts: Pose
That dorky beast on the left kind of ruins the spread.
Naruto: I'll take your power but I must tell you something first.
You're gay?
Kurama: I'm not flattered by your kindness idiot! Does the happy dance
Oh God what's on the next page?
Kurama: Brofist
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
Flashback Iruka: Blah blah blah feelings.
You know, I wouldn't normally say this but if this series was a real man the Fox would backstab Naruto in a hot second.
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Beasts: Lets hit him with our balls!
Oh you poor, miserable creatures. Don't you know is one ball can outswing your many?
Gai: Must…use...8th....Gate.
8D At last.
Attacks get deflected
B'(
Kurama: RAWRG!
And everyone goes Super Saiyan.
4th Hokage: You have grown strong my son.
Naruto's Father!?
Naruto: Hey, let's beat things up for five minutes.
Hrm.
Eww, he punched the slug in its slimy mouth.
Nibi: Rawr!
Finally, we get another catfight in this series.
Oh, don't pretend Kurama isn't a total girl by this point.
Tailed Beasts: Let's smash our balls together.
Naruto: I'll match it!
....Okay, hold up.
We have: The Nibi, Sanbi, Go(n?)bi, Rokubi and Nana/Shichibi (I'm guessing the names), and the Kyuubi can still match their power? Wow, those Uzumakis must be REALLY special.
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Title: The Nine Names
Okay, I'm a little curious. Let's see what we have.
Hachibi: His God Attack hit the bijuu attack at an angle to make it go skyward.
Twitch Point goes to Kishi for....deflecting expectations.
Beasts: GACK!
Nothing shows understanding like choking a bitch. :)
Naruto: Removes stakes presumably using clones
Okay, now we're ending this.
Sanbi: We were waiting for you, Naruto.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!
4th Mizukage: I'm so glad to meet you.
Ugh, can this moment get any gayer.
Naruto: You died so young and you didn't even get to kiss a girl.
Kurama: Didn't you kiss Sasuke?
Naruto: Hey!
4M: I'm an adult idiot!
I laughed. God help me I found this scene to be pretty funny.
4M: Btw, this is all according to plan as I explained to the forced cameo. I mean the Yonbi Jinchuuriki.
Everyone: Anyway, here's our names.
None of those names sound awesome at all (Choumei. Lucky Seven Choumei.)
(Lucky Seven is just an expression isn't it?)
Tailed Beasts: Brofists
MuppetTailed Beasts Babies: Exists
Real Life Me: What the flying fuck?
Kurama: We love you old guy.
No, seriously, I'm stunned. There is nothing to say because this is something no one could ever expect. Head explodes
Text: They entrusted him with their souls.
…Well, I'm back.
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Naruto: You don't know their names, do you?
Madara: Well that just squares my mask.
Oh Lord Kishi finished this arc in one sitting didn't he?
Madara: Naruto is a pawn used to stimulate Sasuke.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Daddy Shika: Tell everyone how awesome our heroes are! But mostly the Orange Kid.
Guy in Helmet: The channel cannae' take it captain! We don't have tha powah!
DS: Just do it.
Smashes head into wall
Great, all I did was get plaster in my hair.
DS: Everybody out there! Love Lain! I mean Naruto.
GiH: Suffers permanent brain damage for a hokey message
Truly the sacrifice of [ninja name here] will not be forgotten.
Rookie 9: Panel time
It's tragic how they think they're important. Poor Hinata, and lol at Shino not needing a reason to help.
Two page spread: Footprints in mud
Twitches GURK! HUMMA HUMMA! BLOOP!
…This has mood, I can give it that much. I don't want to but I will.
Sasuke: Evil Face
That face is enough for me to build a basement just so I can have one to kill him in.
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Bleach
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Tag: A life or death situation in the afterlife?!
…...Lol.
Scientist Man: If Hollows keep disappearing, the barrier will...
What the hell?
Captain: There's only one group of people that can do this.
Sees squad symbol
KURO-FUCKING-TSUCHI YES YES YES YES!
Kurotsuchi: Srs face
Why aren't you doing something inhumane yet?!
Title Page: Bleach in it's final arc.
Sleepy Guy: Hi.
The final arc and we're still getting characters we won't give a shit about. What a nice way to end the series.
Next Few Pages: Blah blah blah plot stuff.
Mysterious Man: I like rooftops. Like Batman. I'm Batman.
Hey look a mirror. Let's just stare at it.
Hollow: Rape face
Okay, that does look a little creepy.
Two Page Spread: More Rape Face
Oh hey, they were just fodder for the cooler designs.
Well, okay, they're not going to impress everybody but at least they look kind of creepy.
Ichigo: Don't worry, I'm badass enough to save everybody.
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Hey now, let's not make a dozen pages of the only thread I ever post on unreadable!
The great Hinscher melting pot debacle would also draw attention away from the next chapter of JATA and my latest article up on the blog, BOTH COMING SOON
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"Naruto, I marked you a long, long time ago…"
What? You pissed on Naruto? WTF?!
"as my rival"
Ohhhhh!
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This Naruto chapter killed me inside. All that forced characterization…
Especially Kiba saying Naruto is his rival... WHAT?
My favorite one is Shino saying he's going to surpass Naruto, then Kishi speaks through him saying, "...I don't need a reason"
NICE.
Then there's Sai, "So this is the power of friendship?" You don't have friends Sai.
Rock Lee just told you to cheer up, that doesn't mean you're friends.
On to Bleach:
A chapter that took longer that 2 minutes to read? WORDS, in Bleach? WORDS?
My god. Gotta love SS's stupidity though, it never really ends does it. They send people without even shikai releases to fight strong hollows... wow.
in the translation i read Shino said he was going to support Naruto…and that he didn't need a reason
not sure which one is right but after i read that my eyes rolled too far back to read the next 10 pages or so...
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Hm…..not bad, Kubo, not bad. There's a few backgrounds here and there, lots of text......but the arc's just beginning.
So Hollows are disappearing, disrupting the balance of the worlds? Smells like Quincy activity to me.....I guess Mayuri's new look is kinda cool. As for the two new Shinigami, they already seem more enthralling than the Fullbringers, although like I said before, they're probably just fodderized (to make Ichigo look cool for beating a Hollow in this case).
But that's a plus right there! The Hollows early Bleach was chock full of......oh, how I missed them. And although the length will be long as all hell, at least Kubo is removing the surface B.S and saying "look, this is the final arc."
Goddamn, "The Thousand-Year Blood War" sounds awesome.
But like I said…..the arc's just started, who knows what'll go down.
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What the hell are hollows doing in Bleach.
And that double spread in Naruto seemed really pointless.
NNID: Panekai
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Feh…..I didn't buy all those inner Naruto monologues from the various shinobi........with the exception of Hinata, they all felt so forced.
But I really liked Hinata's thoughts......hm. And it's bad enough three pages were used for Sasuke's footsteps, the double spread with him made me cringe.
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which doulble spread ? dont matter because both were justified if you want the theme of the chapter to be done clearly..
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What the hell are hollows doing in Bleach.
And that double spread in Naruto seemed really pointless.
which doulble spread ? dont matter because both were justified if you want the theme of the chapter to be done clearly..
"What are you talking about? I am me!Nobody else!" —Roxas
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which doulble spread ? dont matter because both were justified if you want the theme of the chapter to be done clearly..
The one with Sasuke at the end….?
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So, the Thousand-Year Blood War arc.
Well, I'm sure it'll feel like a thousand years.
And the lamb lies down on Broadway
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So, the Thousand-Year Blood War arc.
Well, I'm sure it'll feel like a thousand years.
Will it actually be a war, unlike the erronenously named Winter "War"?
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The one with Sasuke at the end….?
there is a positive to sasuke coming back to the fray…...hes going to draw better on the account of he wuvs him some sasuke!
"What are you talking about? I am me!Nobody else!" —Roxas
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there is a positive to sasuke coming back to the fray…...hes going to draw better on the account of he wuvs him some sasuke!
Nah, he's only going to draw Sasuke well.
Sakura, meanwhile, will continue to look like a sewer mutant.
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Wow. I just realized two whole pages was used on on Sasukre's footprints in the sand. That must be some sort of obessession or new kind of foot festish right there.
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Are feet usually Kubo's thing? I mean, there's foot panels in almost every chapter.
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lets compare sakura to other main character females shall we????? i think she wears a wig because her hair is so… whats the word..UGH just look at it its not even hair like http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/18307629/14….it used to be good and i find that funny because hair meant something to her http://www.mangareader.net/93-59-4/naruto/chapter-54.html BACK WHEN SAKURA WAS INTERESTING
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in the translation i read Shino said he was going to support Naruto…and that he didn't need a reason
not sure which one is right but after i read that my eyes rolled too far back to read the next 10 pages or so...
I misread it, you're right… still just as bad if not even worse.
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Sakura's role is so pathetic in that she's "destined" to be the only chick who can love this asshole villain that killed innocents (and her friends soon) in Sasuke once he redeems himself.
And you just know this chick is going to ride him while he's in jail, "Oh, why didn't I marry Naruto who would have given me Konoha," when she could have and why this fool's not doing anything better with himself despite that sharingan b.s.
Thus continuing the cycle of Uchiha hate and ego, brought on by horrible nagging wives.Kishi is a masochist.
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And you just know this chick is going to ride him while he's in jail, "Oh, why didn't I marry Naruto who would have given me Konoha," when she could have and why this fool's not doing anything better with himself despite that sharingan b.s.
This sounds a lot like the fate of "popular kid couples in highschool who got married on sheer physical attraction alone". Made me chuckle quite a bit.
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wa-wait didn't kubo said in an interview that bleach will be here for another 10 years but this will be the final arc? so a 10-year-old-arc?
Or maybe i read the interview wrong.
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Oh and before I forget, I don't buy for a second that Hinata is going to actually do something that will change anything with the way Naruto feels about her. Or to be more accurate, change that he basically doesn't remember that she took a hit for him and confessed to him.
He does, actually:
http://www.mangaeden.com/en-manga/naruto/559/6/
http://www.mangaeden.com/en-manga/naruto/559/7/
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Still doesn't change the fact that the most notable bit (the confession) has been treated like it never happened.
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Still doesn't change the fact that the most notable bit (the confession) has been treated like it never happened.
Oh don't get me wrong, I do agree that the fact that Naruto hasn't really responded to her confession in particular made that moment a bit underwhelming (Especially seeing that no too soon after the Pein Invasion, Naruto was talking to all of the k11, and didn't say anything to Hinata). But I think that him remembering the confession goes without saying no? Especially given the "WTF" face he had when she did that.
A part of me wants to think that the confession might come up later though, probably after the war….
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@ArSoNiSt:
He does, actually:
http://www.mangaeden.com/en-manga/naruto/559/6/
http://www.mangaeden.com/en-manga/naruto/559/7/
Megadoomer basically said more or less what I wanted to but yeah he acknowledges taking a hit for her but not the whole "I love you" thing? I doubt it's going to come up. If it's been put off for this long and the one chance it could be acknowledged is just passed by, I doubt it'll ever come up
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Megadoomer basically said more or less what I wanted to but yeah he acknowledges taking a hit for her but not the whole "I love you" thing? I doubt it's going to come up. If it's been put off for this long and the one chance it could be acknowledged is just passed by, I doubt it'll ever come up
Eh…well I think it can go either way, though personally I'm leaning more towards it coming up after the war. I agree that overall the relationship development between those two isn't very good, but on the flip side Kishi seems to be keeping Hinata's love for Naruto in the picture sorta, to the point that she confesses to him in a perilous situation, making her feelings known to him. I mean although it's not a good reason, one could say that it's because right after the Pein invasion there Sasuke was going to take on the Kages, and then the war came about that Kishi didn't really focus on Naruto acknowledging Hinata's feelings, but I think that given the way things are between them now, the confession could come up later, most likely after the war.
Is the chance that you're speaking about being those same links I posted? Well, you can say it was, but then again they were right in the middle of battle as well, seeing that Naruto just fended off some clones, and then led the charge against the Zetsu clones.
Basically all I'm saying that there is a good chance that the confession could come up after Naruto deals with the big bad and whatnot, either through Kishi showing us Naruto acknowledging her feelings on panel, or just showing them together or smth, which means that he did that off panel.
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I think the big reason why Naruto didn't mention the confession is because he's a 16 year old boy, who's for the most part a tremendous dork. His brain probably couldn't figure out what to do. I mean and as Joe said, he seems preoccupied with the fighting. Plus you know, trying to come up with new ways to stimulate Sasuke.
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I just can't get over how, since the Pain battle, Naruto has had time to sign autographs, but not talk to Hinata about the confession.
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I just can't get over how, since the Pain battle, Naruto has had time to sign autographs, but not talk to Hinata about the confession.
I also recall Naruto talking to all of the K11 with Hinata right there no too long after the battle, and he didn't even look her way. After he was done talking to them he ran off to eat ramen IIRC. That sorta cheapened Hinata's confession.
