wow…japanese must be a language that is hard as fuck to learn... two things completely opposite of each other could be mistaken in a line of text... =\ but thx for clearing that up for me
Chapter 607: "10,000 Meters Under the Sea" Discussion
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Bad trans. I think in a more reliable translation he was grateful to Luffy for dealing with Arlong, something he himself should have done as he felt responsible for unleashing him on east blue.
To be fair, even with that correct translation, it could imply some sort of connection between Jinbei and Arlong. Unless Jinbei simply feels sorry, and the need to apologize, as a member of the species, as it were – which is possible, I suppose, especially considering his attempt to serve the role of diplomat of sorts between the species, but still seems a bit unlikely to me -- then his guilt would seem to imply some form of past connection that causes him to feel responsible for Arlong's actions.
Johnny and Yosaku's comments way back in East Blue just serve as further evidence, I think. If you take the (to me more reasonable) interpretation of their words to mean that Arlong was somehow associated with Jinbei in the past, then along with that scene on the way to Marineford, there was certainly something between them, which I have no doubt will be revealed in the future, should it really exist.
Maybe I am comprehending wrong. Everyone is focusing on this wrong translation which doesn't really have anything to do with what Pacer has asked. It appears to me you all answered a question Pacer didn't ask.
Despite that wrong translation, Jinbei does or did seem to be close with Arlong. They could have had a brotherly relationship like Ace and Luffy, but Jinbei is way older isn't he? I know Arlong is Hatchi's age and Jinbei is way over that right? Maybe Jinbei was more a mentor to Arlong at some point than a sworn brother.
Romance beat me to the punch, looks like, but said my point quite well. Fixed your quote for you, though, or at least I'd assume so.
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wow…japanese must be a language that is hard as fuck to learn... two things completely opposite of each other could be mistaken in a line of text... =\ but thx for clearing that up for me
It is. I'm in Japanese 3 and it hasn't gotten any easier.
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i'm very active today for some reason… just stupid questions/observations i'm seeing...
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/34449417/13
assuming the sun tattoo with the headless human in it represents them hating humans…why would they allow luffy the choice of being their subordinate. wouldnt' that mean they would let them become a part of the new fishman pirates, which i had always thoguht the fishman pirates would be made of purely of...fishman. it'd be like the kuja pirates with...men.
my question would be : could this possibly mean the existence of fishmen keeping humans as slaves? specially with the fall of WB's command, think that could happen? jimbei stated that everyone must past FI to continue to NW, it wouldn't be outta the question that fishmen keeps human slaves now
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İ hope to see some Brook action next chapter. Everybody save the ship once except him so far.
Pirates : Best Pirate game ever
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İ hope to see some Brook action next chapter. Everybody save the ship once except him so far.
Yes please! Despite getting back together for a few chapters now Brook's musical abilities are still just as mysterious as they once were ! I can't wait until Oda makes him shine beyond a great speech.
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯
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@Panda:
To be fair, even with that correct translation, it could imply some sort of connection between Jinbei and Arlong. Unless Jinbei simply feels sorry, and the need to apologize, as a member of the species, as it were – which is possible, I suppose, especially considering his attempt to serve the role of diplomat of sorts between the species, but still seems a bit unlikely to me -- then his guilt would seem to imply some form of past connection that causes him to feel responsible for Arlong's actions.
Johnny and Yosaku's comments way back in East Blue just serve as further evidence, I think. If you take the (to me more reasonable) interpretation of their words to mean that Arlong was somehow associated with Jinbei in the past, then along with that scene on the way to Marineford, there was certainly something between them, which I have no doubt will be revealed in the future, should it really exist.
Romance beat me to the punch, looks like, but said my point quite well. Fixed your quote for you, though, or at least I'd assume so.
There is definitely a connection between Arlong and Jinbe, that is something that I'm not denying, as arlong was most likely in jinbe's crew. I think from the that translation pacer thought that jinbe was letting go of the incident with arlong and would ''deal' with Luffy latter in regards to taking Arlong down, from that I think pacer thought that Jinbe and Arlong could be brothers.
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There is definitely a connection between Arlong and Jinbe, that is something that I'm not denying, as arlong was most likely in jinbe's crew. I think from the that translation pacer thought that jinbe was letting go of the incident with arlong and would ''deal' with Luffy latter in regards to taking Arlong down, from that I think pacer thought that Jinbe and Arlong could be brothers.
yup the translation actually had me believing that those two shared a positive relationship rather than a potential negative one. though my main thing was just to see if they shared SOME kinda heavy history regardless of good or bad. though the good and/or bad side of the history changes the story completely, so the translation thing was helpful!
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When Arlong is first introduced doesn't Yosaku imply that Jinbe was partially responsible for Arlong being in East Blue.
http://manga.animea.net/one-piece-chapter-69-page-7.html
If Jinbe was Arlong's superior then it would make sense that he felt guilty about the trouble Arlong had caused in East Blue.
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Yes please! Despite getting back together for a few chapters now Brook's musical abilities are still just as mysterious as they once were ! I can't wait until Oda makes him shine beyond a great speech.
I hadn't thought it much before, but it is fitting that the pirate king has the world's most popular musician in his crew.
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I hadn't thought it much before, but it is fitting that the pirate king has the world's most popular musician in his crew.
Yeah it's already a 1up from Shanks' crew.
Just want to see at least one more sign of growth from him before his inevitable one on one fight. Hopefully that one on one takes place on fishman island. Notice there is sky in that giant bubble? Brook needs an epic fight that takes place on top of the water running while a fishman is swimming and attacking from underneath.
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i'm very active today for some reason… just stupid questions/observations i'm seeing...
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/34449417/13
assuming the sun tattoo with the headless human in it represents them hating humans…why would they allow luffy the choice of being their subordinate. wouldnt' that mean they would let them become a part of the new fishman pirates, which i had always thoguht the fishman pirates would be made of purely of...fishman. it'd be like the kuja pirates with...men.
my question would be : could this possibly mean the existence of fishmen keeping humans as slaves? specially with the fall of WB's command, think that could happen? jimbei stated that everyone must past FI to continue to NW, it wouldn't be outta the question that fishmen keeps human slaves now
I don't think it's any weird of the fishmen to have some human support. Just look at Arlong, even though he despised humans to the highest degree, he still took in Nami because she was useful. He almost treated her as an equal. But still in the back of his mind, she was not. He waited for the moment to crush her will and make her his tool. That's all he saw in her. So I think the Strawhats were asked because of their usefulness at the current moment.
Also keep in mind, that since Luffy hit a World noble he's a bit extraordinary. I don't think there are any proper, equal human members though.About the Slavery thing: Knowing the history of Fish- and Mermen, it would be the most bitter thing to to see them have human slaves. They look up to Fisher Tiger, who didn't discriminate when it comes to slaves. However he's long gone; his beliefs may have been forgotten and a couple of people might have started seeing things the Arlong kinda way. So Fishmen proving their dominance with human slaves could be an extremely powerful way of introducing some bad guys. And they might even have a twisted excuse for it, serving for some solid plot development. I'm getting all excited on seeing some possible character development for Nami here.
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Despite that wrong translation, Jinbei does or did seem to be close with Arlong. They could have had a brotherly relationship like Ace and Luffy, but Jinbei is way older isn't he? I know Arlong is Hatchi's age and Jinbei is way over that right? Maybe Jinbei was more a mentor to Jinbei at some point than a sworn brother.
Yeah, Arlong and Hachi are probably in their late 20s. Jinbe is his 40s, isn't he?
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I wonder how old Garp is. Oh well. Anyway, I think Arlong's done with personally. East Blue was it for him.
Seems like at least one relic from every past arc in the East Blue Saga is somewhere in the Grand Line. I'm on the fence about Gin though.
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Garp's age is not mentioned in the data books?
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I dunno. I can't read the databooks. There's no possible way for me to that I know of.
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I don't think it's any weird of the fishmen to have some human support. Just look at Arlong, even though he despised humans to the highest degree, he still took in Nami because she was useful. He almost treated her as an equal. But still in the back of his mind, she was not. He waited for the moment to crush her will and make her his tool. That's all he saw in her. So I think the Strawhats were asked because of their usefulness at the current moment.
Also keep in mind, that since Luffy hit a World noble he's a bit extraordinary. I don't think there are any proper, equal human members though.Well, what I find interesting, assuming I'm not guilty of using a faulty translation myself, is Hammond's first line to the Straw Hats: "Since you're in a pirate ship, that means you're an enemy to the humans, so you have the right to a choice!" I get a couple things out of that. For one, as I see it, there's a couple reasonable interpretations for the 'enemy to the humans' part. On the one hand, it's possible that by humans what he really means is the WG, which pirates are certainly enemies of. This would imply a somewhat more focused sense of harsh feelings than I would personally expect, though.
The other interpretation I could give to it is that fishmen, or at least these particular ones, consider humans that turn to piracy to be something like traitors to their race… and considering how most non-SH pirates are implied or shown to act, this isn't exactly far fetched.
In either case, I guess it leads to a sort of attitude along the lines of: "You're still human scum, but at least you treat other humans (/ the WG, depending on interpretation) the way we would, so you can join us as subordinates." I totally agree that there would in no way be any sense of equality, though; assuming there are other pirates that have been 'recruited' like this, I fully expect to see them treated as fully subordinate, if not outright inferior.
To toss one last thing out there, I don't think Luffy and his crew are any sort of exception. The way I understand the sort thought process is something like this:
1. You're pirates, and as such would normally get the choice of joining us (as fully second-class subordinates).
2. But, we know your history, and about what you did to Arlong, and as such, we would rescind that choice from you and kill you on the spot.
3. But, we also know of how you helped Hachi, and punched the World Noble... so we'll consider that even for the Arlong incident, and put you right back in the standard position of being offered the choice.
I suppose that's open to interpretation, like more or less everything is, but that's my take on it, at any rate.
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Seems like at least one relic from every past arc in the East Blue Saga is somewhere in the Grand Line. I'm on the fence about Gin though.
Does Gaimon count in that? :wub:
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Does Gaimon count in that? :wub:
No. His little diversion is probably already lumped in with the arc that came before or after his appearance. But I understand your concern. He was such an awesome shrub.
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@Panda:
Well, what I find interesting, assuming I'm not guilty of using a faulty translation myself, is Hammond's first line to the Straw Hats: "Since you're in a pirate ship, that means you're an enemy to the humans, so you have the right to a choice!" I get a couple things out of that. For one, as I see it, there's a couple reasonable interpretations for the 'enemy to the humans' part. On the one hand, it's possible that by humans what he really means is the WG, which pirates are certainly enemies of. This would imply a somewhat more focused sense of harsh feelings than I would personally expect, though.
The other interpretation I could give to it is that fishmen, or at least these particular ones, consider humans that turn to piracy to be something like traitors to their race… and considering how most non-SH pirates are implied or shown to act, this isn't exactly far fetched.
In either case, I guess it leads to a sort of attitude along the lines of: "You're still human scum, but at least you treat other humans (/ the WG, depending on interpretation) the way we would, so you can join us as subordinates." I totally agree that there would in no way be any sense of equality, though; assuming there are other pirates that have been 'recruited' like this, I fully expect to see them treated as fully subordinate, if not outright inferior.
To toss one last thing out there, I don't think Luffy and his crew are any sort of exception. The way I understand the sort thought process is something like this:
1. You're pirates, and as such would normally get the choice of joining us (as fully second-class subordinates).
2. But, we know your history, and about what you did to Arlong, and as such, we would rescind that choice from you and kill you on the spot.
3. But, we also know of how you helped Hachi, and punched the World Noble... so we'll consider that even for the Arlong incident, and put you right back in the standard position of being offered the choice.
I suppose that's open to interpretation, like more or less everything is, but that's my take on it, at any rate.
hmm.. assuming that wasn't a faulty translation, then u've just helped me figure out what that meant thanks. cause i kept reading it and i kept thinking it was directed at surume, and it made no sense to me
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does anyone else think that the barrel caribou is in will go flying off the ship and smash on fishman island?
so it smashs on fishman island then he says someone like i finally got out then the ship is about to land on him then he uses his mud powers on the bottom of the ship which slows the ships falling speed down then the ship lands on caribou lol -
does anyone else think that the barrel caribou is in will go flying off the ship and smash on fishman island?
so it smashs on fishman island then he says someone like i finally got out then the ship is about to land on him then he uses his mud powers on the bottom of the ship which slows the ships falling speed down then the ship lands on caribou lol
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does anyone else think that the barrel caribou is in will go flying off the ship and smash on fishman island?
so it smashs on fishman island then he says someone like i finally got out then the ship is about to land on him then he uses his mud powers on the bottom of the ship which slows the ships falling speed down then the ship lands on caribou lolI really REALLY wish you would use proper punctuation because I have no fucking clue what you just said.
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@Panda:
Well, what I find interesting, assuming I'm not guilty of using a faulty translation myself, is Hammond's first line to the Straw Hats: "Since you're in a pirate ship, that means you're an enemy to the humans, so you have the right to a choice!" I get a couple things out of that. For one, as I see it, there's a couple reasonable interpretations for the 'enemy to the humans' part. On the one hand, it's possible that by humans what he really means is the WG, which pirates are certainly enemies of. This would imply a somewhat more focused sense of harsh feelings than I would personally expect, though.
The other interpretation I could give to it is that fishmen, or at least these particular ones, consider humans that turn to piracy to be something like traitors to their race… and considering how most non-SH pirates are implied or shown to act, this isn't exactly far fetched.
In either case, I guess it leads to a sort of attitude along the lines of: "You're still human scum, but at least you treat other humans (/ the WG, depending on interpretation) the way we would, so you can join us as subordinates." I totally agree that there would in no way be any sense of equality, though; assuming there are other pirates that have been 'recruited' like this, I fully expect to see them treated as fully subordinate, if not outright inferior.
To toss one last thing out there, I don't think Luffy and his crew are any sort of exception. The way I understand the sort thought process is something like this:
1. You're pirates, and as such would normally get the choice of joining us (as fully second-class subordinates).
2. But, we know your history, and about what you did to Arlong, and as such, we would rescind that choice from you and kill you on the spot.
3. But, we also know of how you helped Hachi, and punched the World Noble... so we'll consider that even for the Arlong incident, and put you right back in the standard position of being offered the choice.
I suppose that's open to interpretation, like more or less everything is, but that's my take on it, at any rate.
Off topic, but dude, creepy that I was currently listening to a artist named Panda Bear just as I was reading your post….xD
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quick question: Coup de Burst suppose to be needing the "AIR" to burst..yet Sunny's bubble already shrinking to the smallest, i guess..how can it be done? and what with this "FUEL"? is it really fuel or some AIR or franky's COLA?
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quick question: Coup de Burst suppose to be needing the "AIR" to burst..yet Sunny's bubble already shrinking to the smallest, i guess..how can it be done? and what with this "FUEL"? is it really fuel or some AIR or franky's COLA?
If I understand what you are saying then, first, I think they have enough air left for one more burst, however, they will run out of air completely in the process. Second, the fuel is cola, it's what is used to power the mechanism that pushes the air out in a burst.
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^so, the one that Franky saying they run out of fuel (the scene where they cannot avoid angler fish) was they actually finish using cola in engine tank?
OK i got it!
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quick question: Coup de Burst suppose to be needing the "AIR" to burst..yet Sunny's bubble already shrinking to the smallest, i guess..how can it be done? and what with this "FUEL"? is it really fuel or some AIR or franky's COLA?
Cola and compressed air, of course. Hopefully, Franky uses Caribou as fuel…
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Cola and compressed air, of course. Hopefully, Franky uses Caribou as fuel…
It would be really usefull if the next crewmember to join was a rogia able to give unlimited fuel to the sunny with his ability
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Maybe I am comprehending wrong. Everyone is focusing on this wrong translation which doesn't really have anything to do with what Pacer has asked. It appears to me you all answered a question Pacer didn't ask.
Despite that wrong translation, Jinbei does or did seem to be close with Arlong. They could have had a brotherly relationship like Ace and Luffy, but Jinbei is way older isn't he? I know Arlong is Hatchi's age and Jinbei is way over that right? Maybe Jinbei was more a mentor to Jinbei at some point than a sworn brother.
I believed most of the different Fishman pirates belong to Fisher Tiger's crew until they disbanded. I think it was during the time Boa was explaining their slave mark to Luffy. Jimbe might have explained it too. I check its chapter 521
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just like everyone said, zoro has been put into the background for the last couple of chapters. u just know zoro will be diogn something freaken epic soon
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You look at Fishman Island and you look at the lights iluminating the area and you think 1 of 2 things: either it's underwater bio-luminescence, or the Straw Hats pulled a knock-up stream path and took the harshest path to get there where they could've sailled smoothly somewhere else. Poor Hachi, being injured and not being able to help them.
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@Jet:
You look at Fishman Island and you look at the lights iluminating the area and you think 1 of 2 things: either it's underwater bio-luminescence, or the Straw Hats pulled a knock-up stream path and took the harshest path to get there where they could've sailled smoothly somewhere else. Poor Hachi, being injured and not being able to help them.
I really don't think they'd lie about being 10,000 meters under the sea. Even the chapter title.
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Jet isn't saying that they're not 10,000 feet below the surface, he's just saying that the SHs took the hardest path to get to FI instead of what could have been the easier path had Hachi been around to help them.
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Jet isn't saying that they're not 10,000 feet below the surface, he's just saying that the SHs took the hardest path to get to FI instead of what could have been the easier path had Hachi been around to help them.
He's clearly talking about light, so… I don't think things will glow differently if you approach them from a different direction. That would be a way stupider argument.
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Well… that's true.
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i'm confused about why everyone is confused about light…. lightbulbs kids. FI is a city, not another trench =.=. merman dont live in eternal darkness
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so they have enough light bulbs to lid the entire bottom of the sea than???
What kind of reasoning is that?
Humans don't lid the world with lightbulbs do they?
WHY you ask?
First. . . it is not necessary
second, it takes to much power
third, it looks to artificial
fourth. . .
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Considering dials exist, I'm sure there's an underwater equivalent that provides permanent light other than lanterns and light bulbs.
Even if it comes down to being a colony of electric eels that power Fishman Island, there'll be something interesting and unusual there to choose from.
And Usopp and Franky will add it to their arsenals.
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My money's on photo-luminescent algae and/or bacteria.
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The thing that throws me off about it is that it's actually drawn like, well, sunlight. That is to say, you can actually see shafts of light coming down from above, quite prominently at that. Personally, I would think the various obvious things, that were predicted before this chapter (e.g. bio-luminescence) would simply cause the scene to not be pitch black, but not be a bright enough source to actually cause rays like that. So unless my intuition is off, and I'm just reading too much into it, I'm a bit baffled as to what exactly it's going to be that's causing the light.
Although that said, I'm sure it will be explained, and Oda will have plenty of fun making the mysterious source something totally bizarre and out there.
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@Panda:
The thing that throws me off about it is that it's actually drawn like, well, sunlight. That is to say, you can actually see shafts of light coming down from above, quite prominently at that. Personally, I would think the various obvious things, that were predicted before this chapter (e.g. bio-luminescence) would simply cause the scene to not be pitch black, but not be a bright enough source to actually cause rays like that. So unless my intuition is off, and I'm just reading too much into it, I'm a bit baffled as to what exactly it's going to be that's causing the light.
Although that said, I'm sure it will be explained, and Oda will have plenty of fun making the mysterious source something totally bizarre and out there.
Yes, it's drawn as if there is one monstrous source of light coming from above, rather than a lot of distributed light sources. Normally it'd be the sun, but that should be impossible in this case.
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If Hachi's dream in the cover of chapter 225 is accurate, some kind of sun can be seen on the ocean floor. But there are also clouds, so I don't know if that is a real scenery or just Hachi's weird imagination.
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Sun Dials. You Heard It Here First!!!!
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It's a Mystery-Light!
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I had a brief thought day before yesterday, about some absolutely gigantic creature that uses bioluminescence living around the Fishmen islands. I thought this because it could give day and night cycles as it swims close to and far away from the islands but I discarded it because of how huge such a creature would need to be. It seems more likely that it is some creation of the fishmen or perhaps something natural that they have cultivated or bred to be far more effective than it would normally be.
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If Hachi's dream in the cover of chapter 225 is accurate, some kind of sun can be seen on the ocean floor. But there are also clouds, so I don't know if that is a real scenery or just Hachi's weird imagination.
Actually, on the two page spread with Fishman Island, you can see clouds in the first bubble.
In fact, thanks for bringing up that cover. That definitely looks like a sphere of light. It's not like coral can't grow on the surface, but I'm guessing that's Fishman Island. It definitely seems to come from one huge light source than a bunch of smaller lights like I theorized.
Here's the picture so people don't have to go searching. If this is an early picture of Fishman Island, this is pretty telling.
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I don't know, it looks like the surface and the sun to me.
Certainly because their can be seen no light source in the 2 FI bubbles. At least I don't see them.Remember, remember, the 5th of November
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@Thousand:
My money's on photo-luminescent algae and/or bacteria.
I saw a huge white, mushroom on the seabed during the shot of FI. Maybe so.
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I don't know, it looks like the surface and the sun to me.
Certainly because their can be seen no light source in the 2 FI bubbles. At least I don't see them.That light in Hatchan's dream could be from outside the bubble in Fishman Island. That would just mean the light source moves so that there could be a sense of day and night in Fishman Island. The Strawhats right now would be arriving during the middle of the "day" while the dream occurs either during sunset or sunrise.
