Excellent. We've needed a Jaime Reyes Blue Beetle for years.
DC Movies Thread - Shazam saves the day
-
-
@TLC:
Suicide Squad was da shit. Easily the best WB comic book film
Of ALL TIME? or just from the last few years? In live action?
Because original Superman the Movie is still fantastic, Batman 66 is fun as what it is, and lots of the animated films are super solid.
-
Good for him. He's amazing in Cobra Kai.
-
Of ALL TIME? or just from the last few years? In live action?
Because original Superman the Movie is still fantastic, Batman 66 is fun as what it is, and lots of the animated films are super solid.
You know I was only thinking of the recent live action films but it might be my favorite WB film ever. I certainly like it a lot more than any other film WB has done in recent memory. I like it as much as the top MCU films. I have a passion to see it again, something very few films have ever instilled in me. I like it more than Assault on Arkham which, until this movie, I considered the perfect Suicide Squad adaptation. And I think this film had the absolute best Harley Quinn in any…thing ever and I am absolutely counting the Dinn and Timi stuff.
-
I liked TSS. Simple and straight to the point.
! I thought Harley n Peacemaker were going to be the best characters. Instead it was Shark and Ratcatcher that carried the heart of the movie.
-
I was hoping to see it in the theater, but with COVID numbers spiking up as high as they are here, I may just have to settle with streaming.
-
Eeh! Suicide Squad is streaming too..
They should've cancel that right after they witnessed Black Widow reaching piracy levels never seen before.
-
Black Widow is now the best selling American film for the year. As a company, you can only maneuver around Covid, can't fight it.
BW being less than a full month out and beating out films that were "theatre only" says a lot about the hybrid release.
Even the recent Shang Chi promotions don't have "theatres only" in them as much as they used to. Disney sees the Covid forecast and there can easily be another shutdown in November with there being a new variant every other month.
TSS getting the hybrid release was set in stone when they made the announcement in December. If they learned anything from BW, it's to stay with streaming and maximize what you can get out of that. There are a chunk of people that are not gonna risk their lives for some entertainment, vaccinated or not.
-
Eeh! Suicide Squad is streaming too..
They should've cancel that right after they witnessed Black Widow reaching piracy levels never seen before.
Pirating movies (and TV shows) existed before streaming. Plus despite what happened with Black Widow their have been successes with simul releases so streaming wasn’t likely the one thing that sunk Black Widow.
-
TLC is right, this is the best super hero movie to come form WB since the Dark Knight.
-
I really enjoyed TSS, miles better than the other movie that unfortunately shares 2/3 of its name.
! was reallly sad when they killed Polka Dot Man :(
-
TSS was a good time. I wouldn't say it's the best DC movie since Dark Knight, but it was fun. You do need to have a dark sense of humor to fully appreciate it, which, I'll admit, isn't entirely my thing.
! And I do think the movie suffers from a bit of a tone problem. At times it expects (some of) the characters and audience to be outraged by the experiments and deaths involving innocent people, but then it'll turn around and make jokes like "Weasel's killed 27 children" or Suicide Squad accidentally killing a band of freedom fighters. And then, despite wanting to save everyone at the end, they have basically no reaction to all the Starro corpses.
-
Can't get enough of Malcolm Tucker insulting people
-
! And I do think the movie suffers from a bit of a tone problem. At times it expects (some of) the characters and audience to be outraged by the experiments and deaths involving innocent people, but then it'll turn around and make jokes like "Weasel's killed 27 children" or Suicide Squad accidentally killing a band of freedom fighters. And then, despite wanting to save everyone at the end, they have basically no reaction to all the Starro corpses.
All valid points that unfortunately can be hand waved by:
! They are fucking crazy criminals, their moral compass is whatever the fuck they think is right at a specific moment and is very narrow on who it's supposed to help.
I think the tonal problem comes form the people at WB (can't say for certain for the DC Comics, but it's sure different with Harley's TV series) want to make Harley their Waypool copy, "Oh look at me I'm an anti-hero with mental illness the says and acts all zany and crazy while I meme my way through a pile of corpses.".
And I don't think Harley deserves to be turned into a copy of the worst version of Wade, because that's whats peaked the fan boys interest. -
Can't get enough of Malcolm Tucker insulting people
He really felt like The Doctor if he went off the deep end.
-
Y'all liked it that much? I thought it was merely ok. A lot of the comedy felt tired and obvious. It also felt quite long to me.
! Harley Quinn felt almost entirely grafted in. She spends half the movie in her own storyline that ultimately doesn't go anywhere, she doesn't really add all that much to the fighting once they're all together, and she's the one who experiences maybe the least character growth of the bunch.
! King Shark, Rat-catcher, and Polka-Dot Man were pretty charming, even if the "picture your mom" bit got old extremely quickly. Bloodsport was fine even if he was pretty clearly just a redux of Will Smith's Deadshot, and Peacemaker was largely meh outside of being a solid antagonist at the end. Peter Capaldi is great but his Thinker never really got to do much.
! I feel like the plot really could have been streamlined quite a bit or refocused to have some stronger commentary of US-backed coups in Latin America. The bar scene, for instance- why? It felt extremely forced. The stuff with the rebels was good for a quick oops moment but then immediately lost all relevance. And the backstory inserts for each character felt only slightly less awful than 2016's Suicide Squad.You know what a good comparison for this is? Rogue One. If you liked the different tone of Rogue One and the fantastic battle at the end made up for the movie's shortcomings, you'll probably like The Suicide Squad. If you think Rogue One is vastly overrated, give this movie a pass.
-
I can't see WB as being behind much of the choices in this film, even if they really are. The media campaign has been Gunn saying "I had complete control, i'm not these other directors". He can't shut up about it, so he should take credit for all praise and critique going forward. He knows Warner had more input than he's letting on, but he has a chip on his shoulder from the tweets that got him fired and the Snyder Cut topic. He overcompensates by leaning in on "this is my film, i'm not Ayer".
I remember watching Rogue One, but can't remember anyone's name and I tend to mix a lot of what happen with Solo. Star Wars films aren't trash, just not worth a rewatch.
-
RatCatcher 2 reminded me sooo much of Ghost(the villain from Ant-Man and The Wasp), that I literally googled to see if they were the same actress, lmao.
-
You know what a good comparison for this is? Rogue One. If you liked the different tone of Rogue One and the fantastic battle at the end made up for the movie's shortcomings, you'll probably like The Suicide Squad. If you think Rogue One is vastly overrated, give this movie a pass.
I guess I'm in luck then because I gave Rogue One a very hard pass, and I just walked out of The Suicide Squad having had a blast.
I though the characters served their functions well and were endearing when they needed to be, the setups had good payoffs, the pacing brisk enough that I was never bored, and the end battle was - perfectly fine, if not transcendent. Not all the jokes land, but enough do.
But yeah, the tone was SO refreshing. I'm not even a gorehound, but its nice to see a genre movie like this thats properly gonzo with the violence, where the heroes can bleed and die violently, where people can have sex, where Amanda can go OFF calling people motherfuckers, its so welcome to see. And sure, the political commentary could've gone further, as is often the case, but I honestly thought it went pretty refreshingly far in being a movie the Pentagon would maybe not sign off on. A lot more willing to paint certain nations and or attitudes as unambiguously nasty than certain other movies.
A fun time. King Shark was adorable, but Polka dot man might be secret MVP.
If "Fuck it, just do whatever" is the new modus operandi for the DCEU, I'm all for it. Like, I think they planned on making a horror movie about the freaky Trench people from Aquaman? Sure! Those things were freaky! Sign me up!
-
lol the Trench is cancelled. 1 of the few I really wanted to see too.
-
! And I do think the movie suffers from a bit of a tone problem. At times it expects (some of) the characters and audience to be outraged by the experiments and deaths involving innocent people, but then it'll turn around and make jokes like "Weasel's killed 27 children" or Suicide Squad accidentally killing a band of freedom fighters. And then, despite wanting to save everyone at the end, they have basically no reaction to all the Starro corpses.
! Idunno, I thought the movie juggled things ok, but maybe I'm just good at compartmentalizing. Like, Weasel might be on a team, but not all inmates need be equally sympathetic, and Weasel specifically is a disgusting weasel creature that no one likes, and who dies pathetically and early as a big joke. The freedom fighters is a real dark joke, but it is done by accident to actual combatants and the squad do feel bad about, it as opposed to performance of horrible human experiments on innocents with deliberate intent. Beyond finding the Starro corpses horrifying and wanting to stop Starro from making more of them on the civilians I'm not quite sure what you're reffering to; They could've shown more distress at them after beating Starro maybe, but then you'd lose the triumphant ending, and the movie compromises by not lingering on civilian suffering, or showing piles of child corpses. Beyond the hanged children in the beginning whihc is shown as explicitly horrifying, I don't think I saw any dead kids at all.
Anyway, I totally get why it wouldn't work for everyone, but for me it had enough dexterity in what it did and didn't show, what it did and did not have the Squad approve of consciously doing, that it worked for me. I can fit the movies recurrent statements of deliberate/intended violence to children = bad (its repeated a lot), as well as it informing the backstory of a disgusting weasel-man whos misfortune I laugh at, at the same time. I do think the post credits scene whiffs it a bit though, Weasel should've been killed again as a punchline. -
I had some silly fun watching TSS but some of the writing had it's perks with me. Harley is a character that I almost whish was gone, since her trope has been done to death and the writing here was so agressively straight it took me out of the scenes a bit. The floral sequence was awesome, though. Top notch.
King Shark, Polka Dot Man, Bloodspot and Pacifier were great. The last two the main force of the film together with Flag.
Viola Davis delivered to absolutely no one's surprise.
To this day thinking about the lettering scenes…
-
@Daz:
! Idunno, I thought the movie juggled things ok, but maybe I'm just good at compartmentalizing. Like, Weasel might be on a team, but not all inmates need be equally sympathetic, and Weasel specifically is a disgusting weasel creature that no one likes, and who dies pathetically and early as a big joke. The freedom fighters is a real dark joke, but it is done by accident to actual combatants and the squad do feel bad about, it as opposed to performance of horrible human experiments on innocents with deliberate intent. Beyond finding the Starro corpses horrifying and wanting to stop Starro from making more of them on the civilians I'm not quite sure what you're reffering to; They could've shown more distress at them after beating Starro maybe, but then you'd lose the triumphant ending, and the movie compromises by not lingering on civilian suffering, or showing piles of child corpses. Beyond the hanged children in the beginning whihc is shown as explicitly horrifying, I don't think I saw any dead kids at all.
Anyway, I totally get why it wouldn't work for everyone, but for me it had enough dexterity in what it did and didn't show, what it did and did not have the Squad approve of consciously doing, that it worked for me. I can fit the movies recurrent statements of deliberate/intended violence to children = bad (its repeated a lot), as well as it informing the backstory of a disgusting weasel-man whos misfortune I laugh at, at the same time. I do think the post credits scene whiffs it a bit though, Weasel should've been killed again as a punchline.! My brain is very particular when it comes to dark stuff, to the point I'm not even sure what sets off my dislike sometimes. In regards to the Starro victims, I guess I really just hated seeing all those innocent people die and it kinda dampened the triumph of the climax for me.
! That said, if I gave this movie a second or third watch, I might be totally okay with it. Sometimes I just need time to process things and shrug "Eh, it's just a movie". -
Loved the movie alot. Gore, humor, character arcs, alot of characters, non sky beam finale.
I didn't watched Birds of Prey, so the Harley parts were really refreshing and good. More of that quality DC please.
-
Warner shouldn't comply at releasing Ayer's cut of SS, throwing off the least trashy version of things is going to make them go in circles and never ever learn from their mistakes.
-
I watched Snyder Cut, don't see the drastic difference. It is insensitive, but I see the Snyder movement being more based on the horrific passing of his daughter and not as much for his creativity being messed with. This is not the first time a creative had their work tampered with. When the idea 1st started to make its rounds, I seen the slippery slope. Every director is using this as a part of their marketing campaign when their newer projects in motion.
Alan Taylor (Dark World) and Ayer before him are the more recent ones. It's like a fast food restaurant deciding to push a food I don't like. I just don't buy it. Not gonna feel the need to be against it.
What is interesting is that Warner (not their studio WB is known for setting trends
-
The Burton/Schumacher films and the Puzo Superman films before them set the tone for live action CB films.
-
Blade's (New Line is under Warner just like WB is) success is partially responsible for the Singer and Raimi films getting their greenlight and budget
-
Nolan films conquered the mid to late 00s as Marvel Studios were trying to learn from F4, Singer and Raimi in order to jumpstart the MCU. Feige has said that, as a producer on most of them (Fox, Sony, and other Marvel films), he got to be a student. Part of why he loved bringing in Raimi when they parted ways w/ Dickerson. He refers to Nolan's Batman as the "best thing".
-
On the live action series side, Warner has set the tone with Lois & Clark, Smallville and having the first LA CB universe (Arrowverse) that reach back to simultaneously canonize and pay homage to former live action series.
-
On the animated series front, Batman and Superman TAS, Teen Titans, Static and Justice League's impact outweigh the multiple Marvel series I love. Avengers UTS, Iron Man, Incredible Hulk, 92 and 2000s X Men, Semper's Spidey (the best 1) are all solidified.
-
Then there's the animated films… I do not get why Marvel gave up on the effort there. Those 08-2015 films are just not touching the DC based animated films. Some have alleged their live action films being so dominant since 2010 as why they put no effort towards the animated film world. Big Hero 6 and Into The Spiderverse (Sony) are great films and should have been delivered earlier. Warner has just been way more consistent than other companies that handle Marvel projects.
The only reason why Disney did Big Hero 6 was because it was obscure. Disney has a Story Trust that works in house for them luckily came across Big Hero 6 and put it together. As much as people criticize Warner for being conservative, every company with studios are. Especially Disney with their PG ratings and attempts to not have anything mess up their precious MCU. If the speculations are true and their Marvel based animated films lacking an aggressive effort due to not interfering with the MCU, then that is arbitrary. Warner has shown more freedom with their Arrowverse model despite being ridiculously strict to their showrunners with which characters and storylines can be used.
Warner has just been overall more influential with their formulas. Blade is a Marvel film that helped justify the 1st huge Marvel films and that was done by 1 of Warner's studios. Puzo, Nolan, and Burton/Schumacher films are not what started comic book films, but they are the standard for what Marvel looks at when making what Scorsese says isn't cinema. Smallville and Arrowverse predate the ABC and Netflix Marvel shows. Many of the writing team from Batman TAS ended up working on Spencer's animated Spidey series which is still peak Marvel series to me from that medium.
Point is, even if I don't like the trend, I gotta give Warner the credit for being the ones to constantly jump out the window for comic book adaptations. Their constant mishaps have resulted in more experimentation than other studios for CB adaptations like Joker. I would like to see more non Marvel or DC projects from other comic book platforms. Invincible was dope and I have to find time for Sweet Tooth.
8/17/21 update
Last month, DC's next animated film was announced for the Fall. Based on the Injustice game and it's prequel comic.
Cast and crew
! The upcoming Injustice animated film voice-stars Justin Hartley as Superman, Anson Mount as Batman, Laura Bailey as Lois Lane and Rama Kushna, Zach Callison as Damian and Jimmy Olsen, Brian T. Delaney as Green Lantern, Brandon Michael Hall as Cyborg, Edwin Hodge as Mr. Terrific and Killer Croc, Oliver Hudson as Plastic Man, Gillian Jacobs as Harley Quinn, Yuri Lowenthal as Mirror Master, Flash and Shazam, Derek Phillips as Nightwing and Aquaman, Kevin Pollak as Joker and Jonathan Kent, Anika Noni Rose as Catwoman, Reid Scott as Green Arrow and Victor Zsasz, Faran Tahir as Ra’s al Ghul, Fred Tatasciore as Captain Atom, Janet Varney as Wonder Woman, and Andrew Morgado as Mirror Master Soldier.
! Rick Morales, known for Mortal Kombat Legends: Scorpion’s Revenge, is producing. Justice League Dark‘s Matt Peters is directing from a script by Batman: Hush scribe Ernie Altbacker. Also producing is Jim Krieg, with Sam Register executive producing.Today, Catwoman: Hunted has been confirmed for early 2022. Shinsuke Terasawa is directing from a script by Greg Weisman.
!
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/injustice-gods-among-us-movie-dc-1234985568/
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/catwoman-hunted-voice-cast-dc-1234998303/8/20 Update
Black Canary has been confirmed as another 1 of the 3 HBO Max films in development. Lovecraft Country showrunner Misha Green is writing with Jurnee Smollett back as Black Canary.
-
-
Just watched The Suicide Squad, what a fun, crazy movie. I enjoyed the hell out of it.
-
Itagaki Paru's Suicide Squad Poster:
The way she draws human eyes totally nail the zaniness of Harley. -
If Harley ever gets a manga, she's the one to do it.
-
I finally saw the movie on HBOMAX
James Gun The Suicide Squad is the Best Live Action Suicide Squad Movie -
We've already seen half of it, but hey, still some new stuff:
Curious to know if that's Riddler narrating all of it, or just the first part.
-
Oh snap, main theme snippet?! Really nice to hear an organic orchestra for this piece.
-
Michael Giacchino is turning into like the Gen-X John Williams.
-
I've loved Michael Giacchino since his work on Lost - beautiful music, I own all the soundtracks. Very cool to see that he has turned into such a successful Hollywood composer.
-
Next year stacked
-
Both DC and Marvel are stacking too much.
-
In DC’s case they’re trying to play catch up…..again.
-
Regrettably, I'm interested in these films. I think my greatest interest lies with The Flash and Black Adam. The former invites the return of Michael Fucking Keaton as Batman-89 so I'm definitely curious not to see his acting but also see if they put elbow grease into replicating Tim Burton's style. I will cry if we don't get that batshit crazy art deco and German Expressionist love child again.
I'm also interested in Black Adam because it might be set on Earth-2. If DC is going for greater connectivity again then I'm hoping we'll see if this is the same Earth-2 from the Stargirl series, since there's no repeated members for the two JSAs yet.
-
-
Young Justice Season 4 episode 1 and 2
-
i'm morally against superhero cinema and ngl this batman looks cool
-
Man, that score is KILLING IT.
And Emo Bruce aside, R-Patts looking pretty good as Batman.
-
I have to say, watching that trailer made me more excited for Shazam 2 instead.
-
Emo Bruce is hot!
Also, really feeling the 'vengeance' in this Batman. Definitely looks like we have a winner.
-
I cannot say that Emo Bruce looks hot, even if it's Robert Pattinson. Or rather, Bruce in his "normal" life is not hot. Maybe we'll see different in the movie itself, but the trailer does not show him looking like the charming playboy he pretends to be.
–- Update From New Post Merge ---
It's not much of a teaser, but it's a teaser, I guess:
-
Gotta say, the first two trailers for The Batman were not really doing it for me, and this last one finally got me interested. Talk about putting your best foot forward. Why does the DCEU have to have such an incredibly rocky track record? Still, optimistic about its future even after the dismality that was WW84.
-
Yeah, I don't think I'm ever going to watch this Batman film.
Call me when DC is willling to actually have a little fun with it again instead of grim dark R-rated hyper grounded "realistic" murder psycho.
I liked Begins just fine, it hit the tone allright. Dark Knight was all about the Joker and it was a good movie, but a terrible Batman film. Rises was awful. Joker was awful. BvS was the worst comic movie ever made, and I will never watch either version of Justice League.
Begins was in 2005, could we please move past that take on Batman now? Why is the animated film from 1993 the only one that really gets it? There IS a middle ground between the Shumacher films and what they've been doing this whole century.
-
You guys don't seem to know what emo is.
Anyway, I'll probably go and watch the Batman movie. It's the only superhero that I can tolerate
-
grim dark R-rated hyper grounded "realistic" murder psycho is fun
-
That's a version of Batman I can accept, it's when DC superimposes that image on their other heroes that I can't stand it. Batman is dark because he's Batman; Supes, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, none of these other guys should be that dark!!