Not sure if this has been brought up already, but….
Sabo is alive. :ninja:
Also, I think we may actually meet the king of Goa before Sabo. Oda has made a repeated point of blocking out his face, and I think it would be a fitting re-introduction for Sabo to wail on him a la Seffy punching Charloss, only for us to realize at that moment that this guy (the wail-ee) was the king.
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Guesses on what will happen with Jalmack inspecting Goa? Do you think it'll show any of it or just go to Ace and Luffy and then random flashbacks over the next 7 years? Part of me thinks we'll just be with Ace and Luffy and part of me actually wants to see what'll happen to Goa Kingdom as a result of this inspection. We've never seen something like this before.
It seems to me like the major opportunity to explore the kingdom has passed. We've already seen Dragon leave and Sabo "die", so there is little reason left for Oda to explore other things when it would only distract from the drama of Sabo's death. After all, Sabo was more or less our medium for the inner city stuff. Given that, I think it is more likely the flashback will simply conclude with Ace and Luffy next chapter, while the World Noble stuff was just a precursor to what will come, setting the stage for a larger plot thread. Then again, if Sabo is alive, I think it would be great to see him shackled as a slave in front of his father at the procession. There's reason to believe Goa (specifically) will get more attention, and I have trouble imagining* how it would come back into play in the current story line. The King's silhouette being one of the biggest reasons; Stelly's new outfit (lol) being on the bottom end of that list.
you know that Stelly will be a famous celestrial dragon in the present…arrr wait you have to be born into that i guess:sad: poor Stelly.
but yeah like you said Brennen, we will see more about the celestrial dragons in the arc about them.
than we will learn more about their backround and in how many sick things they`re involved..i have the feeling right now we saw just a few things they do to the OP world.
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Zik Of The 7 Swords: Vision? What do you know about my vision? My vision would turn your world upside down, tear asunder your illusions, and send the sanctuary of your own ignorance crashing down around you. Now ask yourself, Are you ready to see that vision?
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Yeah, that was pretty special! 
To hell with the Franky example.
Ubiq got hit by a train and lived.
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Watch that be exactly what happens. Even if not it's still really well done.
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Just because two guys died for the plot (both of them heavily foreshadowed months and months in advance for many chapters in a row) doesn't mean Oda is going to turn violent, start killing left and right and go against 13 years of theme, authorial intent and storytelling style.
Well, it's a bit unfair to say something like that in regards to Sabo, because he is such a significant character. A previously unknown brother, revealed immediately after the death of another? It wouldn't make sense to just kill him off, even within the "No one dies in OP" context.
Because there is usually one central character who dies in a flashback, and Sabo's fate is left ambiguous, this alone separates the character from the "13 years of theme and storytelling style" we've become familiar with. I mean, sure, you could say that Tom's fate was left ambiguous because we didn't see a body there either, but he doesn't have such close ties with the main character. This is a whole different ball game.
It sets Sabo apart from the "no one dies in OP" argument. He was never intended to be killed off. So it's hardly a "near death experience that he survives from", if he was never in any danger, from Oda's point of view, and if he intended to keep him alive. (But I guess such a regard only works in hindsight.)
Edit: @ AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit Zik - that was amazing hahaha
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I like. ^^
I dont like. Sabo and his crew got trapped into a Brook situation.
I like. ^^
I don't. Dragon would not promise a "life of freedom" to anyone joining him. He is a revolutionary, not a pirate.
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Omg don't post spoilers outside the spoiler thread !!!! :ninja:
I don't. Dragon would not promise a "life of freedom" to anyone joining him. He is a revolutionary, not a pirate.
All revolutions deal with being free in some sense.
Revolutionaries fight for freedom, but I don't think revolutionaries are free.
I don't. Dragon would not promise a "life of freedom" to anyone joining him. He is a revolutionary, not a pirate.
Wait, did you just get butthurt over some fanart that was made for nothing else but the lulz? Oh dear! :getlost:
Maybe maybe after Luffy becomes pirate king and thinks he has the most freedom in the world Dragon shows up and Luffy sees Dragon has even more freedom. So they fight eachother and the winner will have the most freedom !!
but then Free Willy shows up and pwns them both!!
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I'm glad whoever is responsible for that abomination isn't the actual author of One Piece
Though I guess this shall quench our spoiler-thirst for the time being..
Wait, did you just get butthurt over some fanart that was made for nothing else but the lulz? Oh dear! :getlost:
Where do you see butthurting in that ? Do you suffer of some early youth trauma ? You should start introspecting… I can express an opinion over some fanart - I just said I didn't like it - without the need to find some psychological explanation to it.
Where do you see butthurting in that ? Do you suffer of some early youth trauma ? You should start introspecting… I can express an opinion over some fanart - I just said I didn't like it - without the need to find some psychological explanation to it.
Where do you see butthurting in that ? Do you suffer of some early youth trauma ? You should start introspecting… I can express an opinion over some fanart - I just said I didn't like it - without the need to find some psychological explanation to it.
So in other words….you got butthurt? It's okay, we are here to support you as you recover from the torn that is your butthole. Fan art can be very very heartless and often aim for the butthole...yours just so happened to be in its sights.
Feel no shame.
I thoroughly enjoyed the fan art, I think it was done quite well actually!
So in other words….you got butthurt? It's okay, we are here to support you as you recover from the torn that is your butthole. Fan art can be very very heartless and often aim for the butthole...yours just so happened to be in its sights.
Feel no shame.
I thoroughly enjoyed the fan art, I think it was done quite well actually!
I agree that the fan art was well done, but also agree with the lol on the face of Dragon when he issued the invite.
Sage, you ought to start charging for that psychological counceling–that's gol D, man! I hear they get a tidy sum--might help pay off some student loan or other.
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Sage, you ought to start charging for that psychological counceling–that's gol D, man! I hear they get a tidy sum--might help pay off some student loan or other.
Well, if I wasn't so fucking jizztastically amazing with computer technology then I would definitely be a psychologist but technology has had a firm hold of my heart for a very long time.
Besides, I work for the Government now so I really couldn't ask for more at this point in time.
I wish I could draw freehand, then I'd conjure up some fan chapters myself.
Well, if I wasn't so fucking jizztastically amazing with computer technology then I would definitely be a psychologist but technology has had a firm hold of my heart for a very long time.
Besides, I work for the Government now so I really couldn't ask for more at this point in time.
I wish I could draw freehand, then I'd conjure up some fan chapters myself.
Heh. Well it's always good to love what you do. When you don't, it can turn out not pretty, so good on ya. And gov't jobs are supposed to be good for security and bennies, so that's good too, esp in this economy. I read the other day that some experts are predicting yet another market crash. Lo-ver-ly.
My older brother's a computer geek, (oops), tech as well. Does well at it, I believe.
I can vaguely sketch a thing or two, but never tried manga style. I doubt I'd be anywhere close to the quality of this fan art, even if I tried. When I say vaguely sketch, it's not idle self deprecation, lol.
So back on topic. So not important, but I wonder what happened to the three cups. I wonder if they ended up at Dadan's, or got placed at some makeshift memorial for Sabo as a remembrance, or if we'll see them in some sort of offhand, Oda-esque symbolism at some point in the future, when the subject of Sabo comes up again.
There could already be a topic on this, so sorry about that but… One Piece seems to have been removed from MangaFox due to license stuff: http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/
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Holy shit. This is great.
Unfortunately this will never happen. :sad:
Well I knew I should not have entered a thread more than 3-4 days after the chapter is out because then only remain some kids arguing about nothing and the rest.
But then I'm surprised at how easy one can insult someone else on these forums without any action from admins/modos.
But then I'm surprised at how easy one can insult someone else on these forums without any action from admins/modos.
If you think these "insults" require moderation, you are probably a little too sensitive to be posting on a forum in general. I think what you said on the other page was perfectly fine and the butthurt comments were pretty stupid and actually a bit random, but I have no idea where you are seeing anything that requires intervention. Just use the report feature if something bothers you; complaining in here is only going to make matters worse.
Now, let's get back to arguing about Sabo! :ninja:
I say you he dead! :ninja:
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Well I knew I should not have entered a thread more than 3-4 days after the chapter is out because then only remain some kids arguing about nothing and the rest.
But then I'm surprised at how easy one can insult someone else on these forums without any action from admins/modos.
You've been a member here since 07' and your surprised at how easy it is to get insulted here? It happens all the time.
I am a very playful person and I admit I can sometimes go overboard. I advise that you loosen up and take no one seriously here…I made that mistake and retaliated against those whom were messing with me and it just ends up in a big mess....
Back on topic,
It was kind of surprising to see Ace carrying Dan Dan around, that alone give praise to his sheer strength and even his will to survive. It seems that Ace and Luffy already possessed these amazing qualities (not in full but enough for them to definitely be considered special kids) and yet they are NOT related by blood. Is this because of the Will of "D"? Im thinking so.
If you think these "insults" require moderation, you are probably a little too sensitive to be posting on a forum in general. I think what you said on the other page was perfectly fine and the butthurt comments were pretty stupid and actually a bit random, but I have no idea where you are seeing anything that requires intervention. Just use the report feature if something bothers you; complaining in here is only going to make matters worse.
What I mean is that these people are igniting fires for others to react and escalate. I'm not particularly sensitive, I know this kind of behaviour is common on internet - if not the rule - and that no one ever win, until one gets tired and quits. I like to visit and post on these forums, and discuss things, that's why I wouldn't like to have to find another place because of a bunch of kids who can't respect others and their opinions. I think that by letting those behaviours begin, grow and become common here, you'll start losing some audience. At least that's how I feel, I don't want to lose my time by having to answer these kids all the time.
What I mean is that these people are igniting fires for others to react and escalate. I'm not particularly sensitive, I know this kind of behaviour is common on internet - if not the rule - and that no one ever win, until one gets tired and quits. I like to visit and post on these forums, and discuss things, that's why I wouldn't like to have to find another place because of a bunch of kids who can't respect others and their opinions. I think that by letting those behaviours begin, grow and become common here, you'll start losing some audience. At least that's how I feel, I don't want to lose my time by having to answer these kids all the time.
Well, it seems as though this year has brought an influx of new members (or alts :ninja:). Either way, I think things here are still very inviting and for the most part the angst here generally increases when there's a break. So for any given week, things are generally civil with a few rare repeat exceptions :ninja:
I wear a monocle these days.
You have a point, but I think it's all about the severity of the insults and the resulting flaming.
If someone like oh…. I shouldn't mention any names cough People Call me D cough… gave too many random inflammatory insults without a constructive criticism to back it, he/she will be warned and punished if it persists.
Sometimes the lines are blurry, and not always is it taken action on.
And admittedly actions are usually only taken retrospectively when flame bashing gets out of hand.
Banning isn't a permanent solution either, obviously.
throws a pebble at a certain lurking tophat cat
So you just have to deal with it case-by-case when things gets out of hand.
Besides, Ivo was obviously just being playful with you.
The schroedinger cat… What was it? Only if you try to look into the black box the cat will be or the state will change into dead or alive?
Now that i was among the supah 32 (hello did you see? 32 ... 23... AHHH Hagbard celine) to vote for that option i see myself forced to tell ya all my super theory about our beloved sabo.
To be honest it's fairly easy. Sabo is in a mixed state of "dead and alive". Only if Oda decides to use a character and try to find and open the blackbox the mixed state will change.
Now a few people has gathered to defend that state. Why would an author try to change that highly unusual state?
The club of the one piece schroedinger characters is now open. Sabo... Bon chan. Oda don't disappoint.
The schroedinger cat… What was it? Only if you try to look into the black box the cat will be or the state will change into dead or alive?
The cat is in a state between dead and alive while the box is closed, but if you take peek it's either dead or alive…
The most retarded experiment i can remember, but still a good thing to research for with some professors instead of cats :devil:
@Aohige: Who's the tophat cat around here?
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… ... ... ... ... ... ... ...it's the mucus that bites us! 
Hahahaha. Yeah so are our characters. And who knows if the one piece universe wouldn't implode if a Oda decides to let us know what happened to Bon chan? Huh?
Sabo is Merry.
Sabo is Sabo. He is alive, but he is not an already known, named character.
I thought he was named Sabo… 
@Mugiwara. His name is cactus.
The schroedinger cat…
Can someone explain this one to me? I'm un-edumacated.
But be carefull, if your comment is too snarky, I may get butthurt.
Paul Budnik paul@mtnmath.com
In 1935 Schrödinger published an essay describing the conceptual problems in QM [Note 1]. A brief paragraph in this essay described the cat paradox.
One can even set up quite ridiculous cases. A cat is penned up in a steel chamber, along with the following diabolical device (which must be secured against direct interference by the cat): in a Geiger counter there is a tiny bit of radioactive substance, so small that perhaps in the course of one hour one of the atoms decays, but also, with equal probability, perhaps none; if it happens, the counter tube discharges and through a relay releases a hammer which shatters a small flask of hydrocyanic acid. If one has left this entire system to itself for an hour, one would say that the cat still lives if meanwhile no atom has decayed. The first atomic decay would have poisoned it. The Psi function for the entire system would express this by having in it the living and the dead cat (pardon the expression) mixed or smeared out in equal parts.
It is typical of these cases that an indeterminacy originally restricted to the atomic domain becomes transformed into macroscopic indeterminacy, which can then be resolved by direct observation. That prevents us from so naively accepting as valid a ``blurred model'' for representing reality. In itself it would not embody anything unclear or contradictory. There is a difference between a shaky or out-of-focus photograph and a snapshot of clouds and fog banks.
We know that superposition of possible outcomes must exist simultaneously at a microscopic level because we can observe interference effects from these. We know (at least most of us know) that the cat in the box is dead, alive or dying and not in a smeared out state between the alternatives. When and how does the model of many microscopic possibilities resolve itself into a particular macroscopic state? When and how does the fog bank of microscopic possibilities transform itself to the blurred picture we have of a definite macroscopic state. That is the measurement problem and Schrödinger's cat is a simple and elegant explanations of that problem.
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[1] E. Schrödinger, ``Die gegenwartige Situation in der Quantenmechanik,'' Naturwissenschaftern. 23 : pp. 807-812; 823-823, 844-849. (1935). English translation: John D. Trimmer, Proceedings of the American Philosophical Society, 124, 323-38 (1980), Reprinted in Quantum Theory and Measurement, p 152 (1983).
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The schroedinger cat…
Can someone explain this one to me? I'm un-edumacated.
I see that someone posted the actual essay, or at least portions anyway, but I feel it doesn't really explain the whole reference as it's used these days, so I hope you'll forgive my intrusion with more information. I apologize in advance for the geekiness. Read at your own risk. Although I had learned about it previously, I looked it up recently because I had forgotten some of the details, so I have it fresh in my head.
The Schrodinger cat story was a thought experiment which was the means by which Schrodinger, a quantum theorist, tried to discredit a certain quantum mechanics theory with which he did not agree. The story involves a situation in which a cat is put in jeaopardy for his life, and the fate of the cat is unknown until the box is opened, thus theoretically allowing for the simultaneous possibility of both fates at the same time. He used it to show how ridiculous the theory he was discrediting was, at least in his opinion. However, it would appear that in quantum mechanics there are, in fact, particles that are said to exist in two states at once, until they are forced to "choose" one when someone stops them long enough to measure them. How they prove this, since they choose a state when they are measured, and are therefore never "seen" in flux, is beyond my feeble understanding, but there you go. Schrodinger wrote his story some years ago (1930s or 40s maybe), anyway long enough ago so that it has moved into common cultural reference and is now often used by regular folks (or maybe extra geeky folks, lol) like us to point out something that is somewhat of a paradox, or unknown in result, so allowing for the possibility of two difference outcomes until the reality is known–like Sabo, at this time.
@Mugiwara. His name is cactus.
The schroedinger cat…
Can someone explain this one to me? I'm un-edumacated.
But be carefull, if your comment is too snarky, I may get butthurt.
The schroedinger cat… What was it? Only if you try to look into the black box the cat will be or the state will change into dead or alive?
Now that i was among the supah 32 (hello did you see? 32 ... 23... AHHH Hagbard celine) to vote for that option i see myself forced to tell ya all my super theory about our beloved sabo.
To be honest it's fairly easy. Sabo is in a mixed state of "dead and alive". Only if Oda decides to use a character and try to find and open the blackbox the mixed state will change.
Now a few people has gathered to defend that state. Why would an author try to change that highly unusual state?
The club of the one piece schroedinger characters is now open. Sabo... Bon chan. Oda don't disappoint.
Schrodinger cat is basically if you have a cat inside a closed box and a vessel filled with poison and that the poison starts leaking only if the cat removes the lid of the vessel, for someone inside the box there is one possibility i.e the cat is either dead or alive because he gets to see what is happening to the cat with his own eyes.
But for someone outside the box the cat is both dead and alive. This is because you don't really have a way to find out if the cat is dead or alive because you don't know what is happening inside. So the only option left for you is to assume to that the cat is both dead and alive.
But that was just layman explanation. The theory which this experiment leads to is that there could be a possibility of multiple universes.
In the case of the cat,
1. The first universe has the cat alive and well.
2. But the second universe has the cat dead because it opened the lid.
So this way in our lives, depending on the options we have at a certain point various universes are created.
In layman terminology this means that there are multiple people like us in other universes will other Space-Time coordinates who cannot really interact with us.
You could watch this movie called "Donnie Darko" to get a clear understanding of what I am trying to say.
Cheers
Donnie Darko is an awesome movie. Yes indeedy.
@Kairouseki:
Donnie Darko is an awesome movie. Yes indeedy.
I watched it thrice back to back to understand what the fuck was going on in the movie. I never expected that a movie will be made on such a complex concept. Worth it anyways. All the so called sci-fi movies that have been releasing lately like transformers-2, 2012 etc should take a lesson or two from this movie as to how a sci-fi can be made with minimal "special effects."
Your display pic is from another great movie. One of my all time favourites.
You could watch this movie called "Donnie Darko" to get a clear understanding of what I am trying to say.
Cheers
Oh my god! I totally get it just from that one sentence.
I'm such a god damn nerd.
And sabo's a cat :ninja:
