Chapter 583 "Final Destination of Uncertainty (The Gray Terminal)" Discussion

Xai

Dunno dude, "I love Naruto and One Piece flashback sux" isn't a decent response.

Meh, there always would be complainers. There were people going ID was stretched, the War is been dragged etc etc etc. So, yeah.

Chicken

Gomu Gomu no Bullet!

<insert three="" chapter="" flashback="">punch lands

Be glad the flashback occoured after the war is over. D:</insert>

vlad Dracul

wise words :)

(16 flashback chapters inc)

Robby

@Chicken:

Gomu Gomu no Bullet!

<insert three="" chapter="" flashback="">punch lands

Be glad the flashback occoured after the war is over. D:</insert>

That punch in Drum was actually one of the coolest moments in the series. A 100 page punch, with all that new history and context and anticipation behind it? Pretty awesome.

Also, to the people calling other members names, you've now been given infractions. Cut it out.

KingofSarus

@real1ty:

Then your mah friend too :b

I dont rly mind flashbacks, but this one just seems too boring. Unless there is coming something UBER awesome, which i doubt, then ill be majorly dissapointed.

Ace is dead, i dont care about those flashbacks.

Fuck them dude!

As a friend, I don't care about an Ace flashback as well!

In fact, fuck Ace!

@robbybedfart:

That punch in Drum was actually one of the coolest moments in the series. A 100 page punch, with all that new history and context and anticipation behind it? Pretty awesome.

Also, to the people calling other members names, you've now been given infractions. Cut it out.

Why haven't I gotten one?

Sage

I am really curious as to how Oda is going to solidify the bond between Luffy and Ace in this flashback.

Ace was bold and careless enough to not give a damn about Luffy for the longest. He has left Luffy for dead plenty of times.

The only reason I see Ace going after Luffy is to make sure Luffy doesn't spill the beans about the money, otherwise I don't think Ace would have been motivated to save Luffy. I am starting to assume when he catches up with Luffy, Luffy would display some type of extreme love/loyalty (maybe tying into his Will) for Ace which would capture his bitter heart….or something along those lines...

Whaddya think?

Robby

@KingofSarus:

Why haven't I gotten one?

Because you take too much pride in it, you already have two, many other posts that are worthy of earning an infraction, and your next one will earn you a ban.

I've been trying to be nice.

TLC

@Sage:

I am really curious as to how Oda is going to solidify the bond between Luffy and Ace in this flashback.

Ace was bold and careless enough to not give a damn about Luffy for the longest. He has left Luffy for dead plenty of times.

The only reason I see Ace going after Luffy is to make sure Luffy doesn't spill the beans about the money, otherwise I don't think Ace would have been motivated to save Luffy. I am starting to assume when he catches up with Luffy, Luffy would display some type of extreme love/loyalty (maybe tying into his Will) for Ace which would capture his bitter heart….or something along those lines...

Whaddya think?

That would actually be kinda fun actually.

Kishido

What I don't get… Ace said he nevere killed someone... but he tried it several times as he was kicking Luffy down into the water and so on

wintergt

@KiShiDo:

What I don't get… Ace said he nevere killed someone... but he tried it several times as he was kicking Luffy down into the water and so on

That's.. just boys being boys

Jackhouser

@robbybedfart:

Also, to the people calling other members names, you've now been given infractions. Cut it out.

Can I call you good names, like "The Guru"

Don Quichotte De Flamingo

@Sage:

The only reason I see Ace going after Luffy is to make sure Luffy doesn't spill the beans about the money, otherwise I don't think Ace would have been motivated to save Luffy. I am starting to assume when he catches up with Luffy, Luffy would display some type of extreme love/loyalty (maybe tying into his Will) for Ace which would capture his bitter heart….or something along those lines...

that sure will be one point, but this brotherlove they both developed doesnt seem to be build just on something like you described. dont know if it would be enough when luffy somehow saves ace`s life but i can see something like this coming.

Beside that, its sure important that ace understands that luffy doesnt judge him cause of his past orso.
overcoming aces believe of how the world looks at him is sure the trigger. luffy somehow will manage to assure ace that they both have the same dream and that luffy is the kind of guy, who doesnt judge a book by the cover.
when ace will see that mentality he will sure open himself to luffy and that will be the moment he accepts the first time someone as his "family" which he searches for his whole life.(mentioned that in a previous post here)

mickgreen58

I think another important factor that strengthens Ace and Luffy's bond is that Ace finds out that he and Luffy have a lot more in common then he previously thought.

I fully expect to see Dadan show up at some point to rescue Luffy and I would not be surprised that after Luffy has been rescued, Dadan casually makes a comment such as, "Only a 7 year old who is the son of Dragon and/or the Devil would be so reckless and defiant."

Ace may hear this comment and realize that the similar comment he heard Dadan make before was referring to Luffy and not himself.

newone

I don't know if it's said before or not but I think that dadan is the fourth yonekoo big mama Next chapter we're gonna see the death of ace's friend who'll leave his hat to him They will try to rescue luffy this is just my point of view

Zkaiser

That's not the same hat.

Cyan D. Funk

@Zkaiser:

That's not the same hat.

You're right, it's an even cooler hat.

HaxeyeMihawk

Finally got to read the chapter, and it was damn good imo.

ponx

@newone:

I don't know if it's said before or not but I think that dadan is the fourth yonekoo big mama Next chapter we're gonna see the death of ace's friend who'll leave his hat to him They will try to rescue luffy this is just my point of view

Its been said before. And I doubt that Dadan is Big Mom, cause if she had that sort of power why would she be scared of Garp.

Baldulf

@ponx:

Its been said before. And I doubt that Dadan is Big Mom, cause if she had that sort of power why would she be scared of Garp.

Everyone should be scared of Garp.

mechysonu

I actually lost respect for garp, he should have done some useful in the war instead of just sitting their. He's a man that puts his marine pride first before doing whats right. Poor ace was a troubled kid back in fuchia village. Although I hate flashbacks especially at an epic moment like this, it'll be interesting what this sabo thing is all about

GreatLiver

It's still a matter of it being highly unlikely that a mountain bandit would be a yonkou. She was raising luffy most of the time, it's doubtful she'd have the time to go off to the new world and beat the shit out of everyone.

Drake

@ponx:

Its been said before. And I doubt that Dadan is Big Mom, cause if she had that sort of power why would she be scared of Garp.

a better question would be is why she was a mountain bandit?
generally mountain bandits dont like water (read chapter one again). So I wouldnt see her becoming a pirate.

I still think that big mom is lolas mom.

People call me E

@Drake:

I still think that big mom is lolas mom.

Oh cmon stop the bullshit

mickgreen58

@GreatLiver:

It's still a matter of it being highly unlikely that a mountain bandit would be a yonkou. She was raising luffy most of the time, it's doubtful she'd have the time to go off to the new world and beat the shit out of everyone.

True, but that is exactly what Shanks did right after his last meeting with Luffy as a child.

But it is highly doubtful that Dadan is 'Big Mum'.

Also, if Dadan was indeed Big Mum, I think there may have been a good chance that she would have showed up to help free Ace. Then again, she could be an enemy of Whitebeard and didn't show up for that reason.

Also, I still think there is a good chance that the pirate in the bottom left panel here is Lola's mother.

GreatLiver

@Drake:

I still think that big mom is franky's mom.

@mickgreen58:

True, but that is exactly what Shanks did right after his last meeting with Luffy as a child.

The difference being that Shanks has been away from East Blue for 10 years and has had ample time to yonkouify himself. Plus he had been in the grand line and new world before. I don't see Dadan as ever having been a pirate before, and she would have had less time since she was raising luffy and ace.

Sea

Kinda reminds me of Zoro.

Sâuza

BakaWoof

@Baldulf:

Everyone should be scared of Garp.

Hehe well said! thumbs

Corson D. Burley

@mickgreen58:

True, but that is exactly what Shanks did right after his last meeting with Luffy as a child.

Where was it said Shanks wasn't an Emperor before he met Luffy?

mrkaizoku

Has anyone found a raw of this chapter yet? I find it odd that it was over a week ago that I read the 2 chan script and looked at a Chinese scan, and still haven't actually read it yet. I hope this isn't how things are from here on out. I don't know if I can handle going back to reading the chapters as they are published in the Tankoubon…

I wonder if Dadan will ever warm up to Ace and Luffy or if she will remain an angry hag.

Corson D. Burley

I vote for both!

isrnick

@Corson:

Where was it said Shanks wasn't an Emperor before he met Luffy?

Nowhere, but I don't think that if Shanks was a Yonkou then, there would be someone in Luffy's island who wouldn't know who he is, and what is his flag, and wouldn't tremble in fear just by seeing him, and would have the guts, or be dumb enough, to provoke him and his crew… (Except for Luffy himself of course)

The Yonkou are seen as true monsters...

Besides the appearance of his crew has changed too much since then, so this probably was made to indicate that they became much more powerful.

Sâuza

@isrnick:

Nowhere, but I don't think that if Shanks was a Yonkou then, there would be someone in Luffy's island who wouldn't know who he is, and what is his flag, and wouldn't tremble in fear just by seeing him, and would have the guts, or be dumb enough, to provoke him and his crew… (Except for Luffy himself of course)

The Yonkou are seen as true monsters...

Besides the appearance of his crew has changed too much since then, so this probably was made to indicate that they became much more powerful.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/434/10/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/434/11/

Whitebeard commented on how everyone was surprised when Shanks lost his arm back in East Blue, so i guess he was quite famous that time, and by everyone WB does certainly not mean the WB pirates only.
Another fact is that Shanks was Dueling with Mihawk at that time also, then he must've been quite the pirate again.

imo he could've been Yonkou or at least near Yonkou level (well known and feared) when he was at Fuschia.
Don't forget East Blue is the most peaceful sea in all OP world so those guys there don't really know about GL's matters, and less about th new world.

isrnick

@Sâuza:

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/434/10/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/434/11/

Whitebeard commented on how everyone was surprised when Shanks lost his arm back in East Blue, so i guess he was quite famous that time, and by everyone WB does certainly not mean the WB pirates only.
Another fact is that Shanks was Dueling with Mihawk at that time also, then he must've been quite the pirate again.

imo he could've been Yonkou or at least near Yonkou level (well known and feared) when he was at Fuschia.
Don't forget East Blue is the most peaceful sea in all OP world so those guys there don't really know about GL's matters, and less about th new world.

Of course, ten years ago Shanks was already a well known pirate, he already had fought against Mihawk, at the same level, and WB also knows him since Roger's time… WB being surprised that he lost his arm doesn't implies that he was already at the Yonkou level, only that he was strong, in fact he was so surprised because of the fact that he lost his arm in the weakest of the 4 seas.

And East Blue being the most peaceful sea by no means implies that the people there doesn't know what is happening in the world, on the contrary, being the most stable sea probably also means being the most updated about the news... (Places where there is war or conflict are the ones most inaccessible, and consequently are the places where is harder for the news of the world to reach...)

The Shanks vs Mihawk matter, just means to me that Mihawk isn't at the Yonkou level, because they fought when Shanks still wasn't an Yonkou (which is also obvious since he is only a shichibukai)... And the same goes for Teach when he left the scar on Shanks' face, he did it when Shanks still wasn't a Yonkou.

Blacksmith

Most people in east blue don't know who Mihawk is.
And Mihawk's already "the greatest swordsman in the world".

Ppl in east blue almost don't know anything about GL.

Not knowing shanks is pretty normal to me, even if He's yonkou

Sâuza

@isrnick:

And East Blue being the most peaceful sea by no means implies that the people there doesn't know what is happening in the world, on the contrary, being the most stable sea probably also means being the most updated about the news… (Places where there is war or conflict are the ones most inaccessible, and consequently are the places where is harder for the news of the world to reach...)

In OP world it's pretty well known that peaceful islands don't know anything about the outside world, look at syrup village for example, even the sight of a ship is rare, and Blacksmith's pic second this statement, the greatest swordsman isn't known.

Yeah there are few exception, very few like WB, Roger, Rayleigh, Dragon, and maybe Sengoku and Garp. But for the others, Yonkou or admirals, they're kind of unheard of.

@isrnick:

The Shanks vs Mihawk matter, just means to me that Mihawk isn't at the Yonkou level, because they fought when Shanks still wasn't an Yonkou (which is also obvious since he is only a shichibukai)… And the same goes for Teach when he left the scar on Shanks' face, he did it when Shanks still wasn't a Yonkou.

Well for Mihawk, there's something about "he is only a shichibukai"
Some people are making a kind of classement or power level if you want, something like :*
1-PK
2-Yonkou
3-Marines
4-Shichibukai

It could be right for the first three maybe, but the fact is that the Shichibukai are not to be taken lightly (it's known that after Croc's and Moria's matter they were under-estimated) but what we know is that the OP world's balance is made of those three parts, so they're all for me at the same level, it's more like :
All shichibukais = All marines = An Emperor (+crew of course)
So we could say :
Strongest shichibukai = High grade marines = Emperor alone.
Thus we can assume that mihawk may be yonkou level (i'm not saying Mihawk is the strongest shichibukai but he may be one of them)

isrnick

@Sâuza:

In OP world it's pretty well known that peaceful islands don't know anything about the outside world, look at syrup village for example, even the sight of a ship is rare, and Blacksmith's pic second this statement, the greatest swordsman isn't known.

Yeah there are few exception, very few like WB, Roger, Rayleigh, Dragon, and maybe Sengoku and Garp. But for the others, Yonkou or admirals, they're kind of unheard of.

You are kidding right? All the Yonkou have to be included in that list, they are simply the most powerful pirates in the world, and to the World Government and the marines that means that they are the most dangerous pirates in the world, so certainly they would make absolutely sure that the whole world knows who they are, even if no other great pirate name where to be known in East Blue, the names of the all the Yonkou are sure to be known…

You can't take Luffy as example, he doesn't know anybody simply because he doesn't care, their names doesn't mean anything to him unless he actually meets them, he probably have heard all the most famous names while growing up, but never really paid attention enough to memorize them or to actually know who they are... Is highly probable that the only 2 names of great pirates he knew when he began his life as a pirate where Gol D. Roger and Whitebeard... The other people in the OP world are not like him...

@Sâuza:

Well for Mihawk, there's something about "he is only a shichibukai"
Some people are making a kind of classement or power level if you want, something like :*
1-PK
2-Yonkou
3-Marines
4-Shichibukai

It could be right for the first three maybe, but the fact is that the Shichibukai are not to be taken lightly (it's known that after Croc's and Moria's matter they were under-estimated) but what we know is that the OP world's balance is made of those three parts, so they're all for me at the same level, it's more like :
All shichibukais = All marines = An Emperor (+crew of course)
So we could say :
Strongest shichibukai = High grade marines = Emperor alone.
Thus we can assume that mihawk may be yonkou level (i'm not saying Mihawk is the strongest shichibukai but he may be one of them)

Actually it is more like:

All shichibukai + marines = Yonkou_1 vs Yonkou_2 vs Yonkou_3 vs Yonkou_4

The marines had to make an alliance with 7 strong pirates to achieve equilibrium in the power, matching the power of the 4 pirate emperors…

And keeping in mind that the 4 emperors are enemies of each other, meaning that if 2 of them were to make an alliance against the World Government, the equilibrium of power would be broken (therefore this is the source of the great concern of the marines about that meeting between Shanks and Whitebeard, they where afraid they could be meeting to form some kind of alliance).

Mihawk may very well be the strongest of the shichibukai (in my opinion he competes with Hancock and Kuma for this status), but even so I doubt that his power matches the power of a Yonkou...

During the war, Vista alone was enough to give him some trouble, nobody paid much attention to him, he wasn't one of the most feared by WB's crew... He was nothing in comparison to the impression Shanks left when he stepped in the battlefield and, by simply daring anyone who wanted to continue fighting to fight him instead, shut everyone's mouth and ended the war.

And his slashes couldn't even be compared to Whitebeard's damage when he attacked with all his power, even though Whitebeard wasn't in his best form...

Blacksmith

I'm pretty surprise you use some stupid no name pirate bandits as the base of this theory.
They might not recognize Shanks, but it doesn't mean everyone else don't recognize Him.

Sâuza

You don't get it.
What i said is that people in East Blue will only now about Legends, not a super powerful pirate or something else, and i'm not taking example from Luffy, Just look at Nami (the one with most knowledge in the crew) doesn't know aokiji, knows Shanks only cause Luffy talked about…etc

For Mihawk, Vista gave him trouble ? c'mon they didn't had a sweat at all, they were just sparring, and paying attention ? there was a party there or what ? it was WB vs Marines and Shichibukai as an option.

isrnick

@Blacksmith:

I'm pretty surprise you use some stupid no name pirate bandits as the base of this theory.
They might not recognize Shanks, but it doesn't mean everyone else don't recognize Him.

They are not the base of what I'm saying about Shanks not being a Yonkou yet 10 years ago, it was just one point of it.

For example, if Shanks already was in the Yonkou level he could have knocked down all the bandits with his haki and saved Luffy without any trouble, they were a bunch of weaklings it would have been easy, instead he only was capable of using it once, when he got pissed off after saving Luffy from the sea monster attack, to scare the monster… So he probably still hadn't complete control over his haki.

And the most clear indicative is the change in his crew members appearance, they obviously got a lot stronger since then...

Redspear

anyone else think sabo looks like saldeath?

isrnick

@Sâuza:

You don't get it.
What i said is that people in East Blue will only now about Legends, not a super powerful pirate or something else, and i'm not taking example from Luffy, Just look at Nami (the one with most knowledge in the crew) doesn't know aokiji, knows Shanks only cause Luffy talked about…etc

For Mihawk, Vista gave him trouble ? c'mon they didn't had a sweat at all, they were just sparring, and paying attention ? there was a party there or what ? it was WB vs Marines and Shichibukai as an option.

Aokiji is a marine, they don't get their posters spread around the world, or make the headlines of the news for their evil deeds… (And the one with most knowledge in the crew is Robin.)

The Yonkou are legends, and they are legends exactly because they are super powerful pirates...

And the battle was announced as Marines and Shichibukai vs Whitebeard, you can argue that the shichibukai didn't fight with all they have got but there is nothing to prove that, and someone with the power of a Yonkou definitely is someone they should fear and pay very much attention in the middle of the war, they couldn't simply be expecting from the beggining that the shichibukai wouldn't use their full power in the battle, if that really was the case, which is very unlikely...

Mokke

This has probably been pointed out but im not reading 25 pages just to share my find.

The Glasses on Sabo looks just like Kids glasses, perhaps they are connected or even the same person.

Please dont flame if this has been pointed out.

Drake

@Sâuza:

You don't get it.
What i said is that people in East Blue will only now about Legends, not a super powerful pirate or something else, and i'm not taking example from Luffy, Just look at Nami (the one with most knowledge in the crew) doesn't know aokiji, knows Shanks only cause Luffy talked about…etc

Just that Nami didnt recognize Aojiki doesnt mean she didnt know who he was. (and actually Robin is the one with th emost knowledge).

Im guessing virtually everybody in east blue knows the names of people such as Mihawk, Aojiki, Kizaru, Shanks, Whitebeard. But id be willing to bet my life on the fact they dont know what those people look like. Im sure everybody in east blue are aware of the high tier pirates and marines, but I doubt any of them have actually seen them.

For Mihawk, Vista gave him trouble ? c'mon they didn't had a sweat at all, they were just sparring, and paying attention ? there was a party there or what ? it was WB vs Marines and Shichibukai as an option.

How do you know that they were "just sparring"?
Also, Shichibukai were NOT an option as to if they wanted to fight, it was either they fought in the war, or they were stripped of their shichibukai status, so it was definitely not optional as to if they fought in the war or not.

Just that Mihawk is the strongest swordsman in the world doesnt mean other swordsmen cant give him trouble. Since Vista is a commander of the Whitebeard pirates doesnt mean he would fail epically in a fight against Mihawk.

isrnick

@Drake:

Just that Nami didnt recognize Aojiki doesnt mean she didnt know who he was. (and actually Robin is the one with th emost knowledge).

Im guessing virtually everybody in east blue knows the names of people such as Mihawk, Aojiki, Kizaru, Shanks, Whitebeard. But id be willing to bet my life on the fact they dont know what those people look like. Im sure everybody in east blue are aware of the high tier pirates and marines, but I doubt any of them have actually seen them.

I believe people may know several of the faces of famous pirates, specially the most powerful ones, after all there are bounty posters of them around the world. And I think that the famous marines might be well known by their names, but most people doesn't know how they look like…

Deicide

Johnny and Yosaku knew about the "three world powers" and the Shichibukai; Zoro knew Mihawk was the world's greatest swordsman. When Luffy told Usopp about his father, Usopp was surprised that Yasopp was with Shanks, and even called Shanks "one of the great pirates".

I think people in all blues to know some things about the great powers of the world, but I guess information gets diluted the further it travels away from GL (like it happened after the war), so most villagers and small pirates know only basic information.

mickgreen58

I don't know, it just seems when I read this, I just get the feeling that Shanks became a Yonkou after he lost his arm.

Luffy asks Garp are the Red Haired Pirates doing well, and Garp basically says yes, the guy went and became one of the top 4 pirates in the world.

Who knows.

Corson D. Burley

@mickgreen58:

I don't know, it just seems when I read this, I just get the feeling that Shanks became a Yonkou after he lost his arm.

Luffy asks Garp are the Red Haired Pirates doing well, and Garp basically says yes, the guy went and became one of the top 4 pirates in the world.

Who knows.

Not really. He just says what he is, not how or when he got there.

[EDIT] And why do you have Battle Franky's avatar? :/

StarlightMan

@Redspear:

anyone else think sabo looks like saldeath?

I thought the same at first, but then realised the only similiarity is they're both small with big hats. They have completely different faces (not to mention ages.)

Blacksmith

@Drake:

Just that Nami didnt recognize Aojiki doesnt mean she didnt know who he was. (and actually Robin is the one with th emost knowledge).

Im guessing virtually everybody in east blue knows the names of people such as Mihawk, Aojiki, Kizaru, Shanks, Whitebeard. But id be willing to bet my life on the fact they dont know what those people look like. Im sure everybody in east blue are aware of the high tier pirates and marines, but I doubt any of them have actually seen them.

Just that Mihawk is the strongest swordsman in the world doesnt mean other swordsmen cant give him trouble. Since Vista is a commander of the Whitebeard pirates doesnt mean he would fail epically in a fight against Mihawk.

It is true, if those bandits from the first volume don't recognize shanks, it doesn't mean they don't know his name is.

I kinda wish oda reveal more about shanks' past.
What's his power, how come a down to earth pirate become a yonkou.