@Bad-Beat:
Just keep it in your pants dude.
Bad-Beat you rock
Chapter 553 "Battle of the Highest" Discussion
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@Bad-Beat:
Just keep it in your pants dude.
Bad-Beat you rockWatch out, this one goes up the road and down the street.
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@Fiasco.:
Watch out, this one goes up the road and down the street.
Just chill nothing will go wrong
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@Bad-Beat:
famous last words
I didn't do anything bad:blink::blink:
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I didn't do anything:blink::blink:
not yet
but I'll be watchingnow, back to the discussion.
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@Bad-Beat:
not yet
but I'll be watchingnow, back to the discussion.
Roger that Bad-Beat-Sensei
So as i was saying garp is a dog zoan? lol, Mihawk can't cut diamond wtf? He is the worlds strongest swordsman he should be able to cut it:wassat: -
Roger that Bad-Beat-Sensei
So as i was saying garp is a dog zoan? lol, Mihawk can't cut diamond wtf? He is the worlds strongest swordsman he should be able to cut it:wassat:diamond is not easy to cut its almost unbreakable,i think mihawk will have to learn how to cut it.
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Diamond is almost impossible to cut. Zoro will be the first.
I'm foooooked btw
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@$abZ:
Diamond is almost impossible to cut. Zoro will be the first.
I'm foooooked btw
the only promblem is will zoro ever fight jozu
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I actually want to see Coby and Helmeppo :)
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Akainu could be the secret weapon, I mean if his fruit is blood/rapid cellular regeneration he could be immortal…
Being immortal isn't the power that'd help them win this war. Even if he was it doesn't make him all powerful. At most he'd be able to take on 3 ppl at once and that's a stretch with the opponents in this war.
@LightningAce:He's enjoyin himself, but even he isn't that stupid to actually take WB on. He'd get owned even worse than when Luffy owned Bellamy
Oh look a post full of hyperbole.
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Mihawk is the strongest swordsman, but that doesn't mean much, the previous strongest killed a dragon, and got owned by halfway mark Zoro, the current one doesn't need to be able to cut diamonds, just ships.
After all, he has no DF, and he can't even cut diamonds =p (I'm going to use this one till the end of OP just to piss you off).
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Ryuuma was never stated to be the previous strongest swordsman, he was just a legendary one
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refil, why bother posting if ur going to say something retarded. it just makes u look like a dumba….s
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Mihawk is the strongest swordsman, but that doesn't mean much, the previous strongest killed a dragon, and got owned by halfway mark Zoro, the current one doesn't need to be able to cut diamonds, just ships.
After all, he has no DF, and he can't even cut diamonds =p (I'm going to use this one till the end of OP just to piss you off).
There's no confirmation that Ryuuma was the previous strongest swordsman. From what I remember he was the strongest 500 years ago or some shit.
Furthermore, his fight with Zoro means nothing since he wasn't in his original body.
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Sorry if this was mentioned before all the phoenix Marco talk made this thread a drag to read. After reading this chapter it feels like some of the random pirates and marines might have connections to other side characters.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/553/08-09/
Second to last. Scratchman Apoo maybe?
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/553/10-11/
The tall one behind captian flying squirell. Looks kinda like Killer?
Also two chapters ago I remember a pirate who looked kinda like Lola.
Regardless this chapter's side characters are the best part about the chapter. The guy with the Walrus DF (I guess) or the Octopus guy. Damn makes me hope the series will be long so we can get info on more of these guys. I love One Piece cause it's like a never ending freakshow.
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People you shouldn't underestimate the power of those New World captains. I bet we'll have a few surprises in there! They are probably REALLY strong, vice-admirals level at least and a handful of them might be powerful enough to go and fight guys like Donflamingo and all…
I'm quite excited for what these guys can do!
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@Zik:
There's no confirmation that Ryuuma was the previous strongest swordsman. From what I remember he was the strongest 500 years ago or some shit.
Furthermore, his fight with Zoro means nothing since he wasn't in his original body.
It's possible that Norland was also one of the strongest of his day:
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Possibly…
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you expect the strongest swordman in the wrold to cut trough anything right?
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yea kuma vs wb is gonna be so close
I was actually JUST thinking… If Kuma can (apparently) push people to where ever he pleases.. he could easily push mofo's right over a vast body of water thus killing most DF users.
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the question is will mihawk cut diamond joz? if he is then we can probably expect a mihawk vs. jozu fight. similar to zoro vs. mr.1 but i don't think mihawk will take a beating.
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@Brave:
the question is will mihawk cut diamond joz? if he is then we can probably expect a mihawk vs. jozu fight. similar to zoro vs. mr.1 but i don't think mihawk will take a beating.
I only see it happening if WB dies and more.
This is just me assuming that if he is cut, he's gonna die lol.
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Mihawk will fight him for a while, finally manage to cut him, and then… he reveals himself to be a diamond logia.
-cut to Mihawk wtf face.
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Since Mihawk is Zoro's hype fight, Oda is gonna make him seem as tough as possible so I think that failed slash is as much of a tarnish to his image as we'll ever see. If (and I'm sure this will happen) he fights Jozu I expect him to control the fight, dodge Jozu's blows and finish him with some bad ass slash.
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Mihawk has to have a limit. If he cuts through Joz he might as well slice through all the WB pirates and end this whole war right now. The only thing thats stopping him is Joz, WB, and Marco as far as we know. Marco is preoccupied, WB is preoccupied, Mihawk is going to be fighting Joz and its going to be a stalemate. Scissors meets rock. If not then theres nothing stopping him from ending this thing and thats not what this is about. Its about WB and his captains, they're the stars, not the shichibukia, right now they're just toppings.
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Agreed which Lordzeb121. Beside that there mast be room for improvement for Zoro. In anime he said, that to cut diamond would be waste. Reasonably enough. I think it would be kairoseki handcuffs. It will go well which SH ideology, make great achievement and as funny note not offend Nami
.I hoping SH appear in MHQ - there Ace's handcuffs for Zoro and Takanome to see it. I do not think Zoro will get chance to fight Mihawk at this point (and win), but him cutting kairoseki handcuffs make Mihawk acknowledge him as worthy opponent. Maybe Takanome remember old times and chase Zoro to have daily duels which him. (as replacement for Shanks).
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@Lordzeb121:
Its about WB and his captains, they're the stars, not the shichibukia, right now they're just toppings.
Indeed. WB and Marco+Jozu have to appear strong here, because lateron in the war they're gonna fall - probably at the hands of BB.
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@Lordzeb121:
Mihawk has to have a limit. If he cuts through Joz he might as well slice through all the WB pirates and end this whole war right now. The only thing thats stopping him is Joz, WB, and Marco as far as we know. Marco is preoccupied, WB is preoccupied, Mihawk is going to be fighting Joz and its going to be a stalemate. Scissors meets rock. If not then theres nothing stopping him from ending this thing and thats not what this is about. Its about WB and his captains, they're the stars, not the shichibukia, right now they're just toppings.
When did people start thinking that if Mihawk cuts Jozu he's suddenly unstoppable? Being able to cut things isn't all there is to swordsmanship he still would be outclassed by WB in pure destructive power, plus he still needs to hit you to kill you. Then if he doesn't have a df that gives his opponents an advantage, which adds further balance to his character.
Point is that people aren't grasping the obvious that Oda will not have Mihawk lose to anyone till Zoro, similarly I wouldn't be surprised if Mihawk is the strongest guy Zoro will fight in the story. Also atm Jozu is being painted as nothing but the huge guy who is the stereotypical immovable object that always gets moved. Then consider that Mihawk's sword is the #1 meitou, the sharpest sword in the world, likely holding all sorts of curses and other mystical crap and in the hands of the #1 swordsman and people actually think Mihawk isn't going to carve Jozu up? To me it seems that Jozu likely has no bigger part to play in the story other than as to showcase Mihawk.
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Since Mihawk is Zoro's hype fight, Oda is gonna make him seem as tough as possible so I think that failed slash is as much of a tarnish to his image as we'll ever see. If (and I'm sure this will happen) he fights Jozu I expect him to control the fight, dodge Jozu's blows and finish him with some bad ass slash.
Nah Mihawk will play it smart and attack no name NW pirate underlings. Jozu will then stop him with a diamond punch to the back of the head.
He won't get to kill him cuz BB will arrive by then.
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When did people start thinking that if Mihawk cuts Jozu he's suddenly unstoppable? Being able to cut things isn't all there is to swordsmanship he still would be outclassed by WB in pure destructive power, plus he still needs to hit you to kill you. Then if he doesn't have a df that gives his opponents an advantage, which adds further balance to his character.
Point is that people aren't grasping the obvious that Oda will not have Mihawk lose to anyone till Zoro, similarly I wouldn't be surprised if Mihawk is the strongest guy Zoro will fight in the story. Also atm Jozu is being painted as nothing but the huge guy who is the stereotypical immovable object that always gets moved. Then consider that Mihawk's sword is the #1 meitou, the sharpest sword in the world, likely holding all sorts of curses and other mystical crap and in the hands of the #1 swordsman and people actually think Mihawk isn't going to carve Jozu up? To me it seems that Jozu likely has no bigger part to play in the story other than as to showcase Mihawk.
This is just like the spoiler discussion, rushing to Mihawks defense as if he needs defending. This is not about Mihawk and its not losing just because he can't cut someone. Oda did not introduce the power of the 3rd division of the WB pirates, the third most powerful fighter of the currently fighting WB crew, just to have it shown that his power is useless. This is purely about The Whitebeard Pirates VS the WG, it wouldn't be much of a VS is Joz got taken out. Then it would be WB and Marco VS 3 admirals and 5 Shichibukia. That was not about Oda showing what Mihawk can or can't cut or can or can't defeat. We weren't supposed to go "Awww Mihawk can't cut Joz" we were supposed to go "WoW a division captain is the kind of guy who can stand up to the worlds strongest sword!"
stop feeling threatened by this again you just make it seem like Mihawk needs excuses. Its neccessary, he's the greatest swordsman in the world still, his repuation is not tarnished.
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good chapter but i don't have much to add. hopefully the next chapter luffy finally gets out of the damn fog and finally gets to see what is going on. hopefully next chapter is a combination chapter and luffy finally joins the battle as well as sengoku and akainu and garp.
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@Lordzeb121:
This is just like the spoiler discussion, rushing to Mihawks defense as if he needs defending. This is not about Mihawk and its not losing just because he can't cut someone. Oda did not introduce the power of the 3rd division of the WB pirates, the third most powerful fighter of the currently fighting WB crew, just to have it shown that his power is useless. This is purely about The Whitebeard Pirates VS the WG, it wouldn't be much of a VS is Joz got taken out. Then it would be WB and Marco VS 3 admirals and 5 Shichibukia. That was not about Oda showing what Mihawk can or can't cut or can or can't defeat. We weren't supposed to go "Awww Mihawk can't cut Joz" we were supposed to go "WoW a division captain is the kind of guy who can stand up to the worlds strongest sword!"
stop feeling threatened by this again you just make it seem like Mihawk needs excuses. Its neccessary, he's the greatest swordsman in the world still, his repuation is not tarnished.
Whether it's about Mihawk or not doesn't matter, Mihawk is 1 of the guys that WB and crew will have to get past to save Ace and as we've already seen Mihawk seems eager enough to go after WB himself so this definitely means that he'll be fighting someone from WB's crew or allies. Furthermore, Mihawk has the same temporary plot invincibility that Itachi Uchiha had in Naruto, it was obvious that no one would beat or kill him because that was Sasuke's destiny, and in OP Zoro is destinied to be the one to beat Mihawk not Jozu, hell Zoro made a promise to never lose a sword fight again in preparation to face Mihawk and you honestly believe that the man he's going through all this crap just to feel worthy enough to face would lose?
Funny thing is that you fail to realise that Jozu blocking Mihawk's attack was Oda telling us that Jozu is strong, however if Jozu fights Mihawk he will lose, and worse for Jozu is that as of now it seems like Oda is gonna use him to show that even though Zoro has made progress he still has a ways to catch Mihawk i.e Zoro cuts steel Mihawk cuts diamond.
And it's funny because I have no reason to feel threatened because I'm not that into Mihawk, I just find that this eagerness some have to find some crack in Mihawk's strength has made many become really short sighted, just as I said in the spoilers don't jump the gun due to that 1 slash and many did.
So Jozu's best bet is to not fight Mihawk, but atm it looks like we may see that fight and maybe Marco vs Kizaru.
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I'm wondering if Marco is an evolution to Diable Jambe. He spins out Kizaru's attack and goes on fire. It would round out WB having a monster trio like the SHP.
Also, maybe we're underestimating the marines here. It would do more for the story if the WG is solidified as being the most powerful entity in the world at this point.
One Piece is kinda like a Final Fantasy game in alot of ways and this is the point in the story where the "evil empire" shows it's superiority. The WG could use this not only to take out it's biggest threat but to grow. They could use this war for justification for a power grab, claiming that this is a "terrorist act" and that the WG needs to grow to protect security in the world. I think Akainu might be a difference maker here.. he's just sitting there being really smug.. he might be the one who could take out Whitebeard.. it would lead to an awesome fight in a few years with Luffy because it would be a clash of freedom vs tyranny which is a moral which OP is about..
Also.. shouldn't Garp be able to take on WB? They both rivaled Roger. I think the WG might just outclass them at this point.. if this is going to go the classic "rag-tag crew vs the evil empire" route the WG needs to power it's way through this one.Then again.. Oda might just flip the story over have the WG in ruins and then the story turns to a scramble to find one piece and be the PK..
So many ways this can go.. ARG! Need more..
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i don't want the world government to get more dangerous. in fact i hope they go down so the new world can be all about pirates and luffy fighting to become the pirate king. if whitebeard goes down and the world government as well then everything will go to hell in the one piece world and i want to see that.
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I'm wondering if Marco is an evolution to Diable Jambe. He spins out Kizaru's attack and goes on fire. It would round out WB having a monster trio like the SHP.
Also, maybe we're underestimating the marines here. It would do more for the story if the WG is solidified as being the most powerful entity in the world at this point.
One Piece is kinda like a Final Fantasy game in alot of ways and this is the point in the story where the "evil empire" shows it's superiority. The WG could use this not only to take out it's biggest threat but to grow. They could use this war for justification for a power grab, claiming that this is a "terrorist act" and that the WG needs to grow to protect security in the world. I think Akainu might be a difference maker here.. he's just sitting there being really smug.. he might be the one who could take out Whitebeard.. it would lead to an awesome fight in a few years with Luffy because it would be a clash of freedom vs tyranny which is a moral which OP is about..
Also.. shouldn't Garp be able to take on WB? They both rivaled Roger. I think the WG might just outclass them at this point.. if this is going to go the classic "rag-tag crew vs the evil empire" route the WG needs to power it's way through this one.Then again.. Oda might just flip the story over have the WG in ruins and then the story turns to a scramble to find one piece and be the PK..
So many ways this can go.. ARG! Need more..
good points
another reason why i think it will be WB who falls and not the wg
is the fact theres still so much unknown about the wgthe hidden history has everything to do with the wg and if wb destroys thats then it will make robins jorney far too easy i u get what i mean.
If wb falls
in the new world there will be inbalance
pirates from all aroudn will be shocked but some will see the oppotunity to try scramble to get one pieceremember all the pirates who want him dead
theres a reason for thatand if bb has gone to level 5 to recruit those mnamed guys oda mentioned in ID then brings them here to fight wb then it could mark the end of wb
BB may have also done this knowing that it would distract the marines so much that he could take new crew members from the prison and then escape into the new world before admirals come after him
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So Jozu's best bet is to not fight Mihawk, but atm it looks like we may see that fight and maybe Marco vs Kizaru.
Whitebeard pirates is the strongest crew in the world, so I am sure they have more than Marco and Jozu to fight equally with the Shichibukai. And Whitebeard just keeps smilling, so he is sure confident about this war. Not all the Shichibukai are so powerful. Crocodile relied too much on his sand abilities, and was not able to defeat Luffy in a fist fight.
And not as Luffy is comming with Jimbei,Crocodile and Ivankov to the fight, the marines are sure to worry. Although Luffy might be at the strenght level of a Vise Admiral, and they have plenty of those around. -
I'm wondering if Marco is an evolution to Diable Jambe. He spins out Kizaru's attack and goes on fire. It would round out WB having a monster trio like the SHP.
About this one… I like the idea but I said it before... If you look closely it seems more like moving his wings really fast and not like spinning. That would explain it very well in my eyes
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Whitebeard pirates is the strongest crew in the world, so I am sure they have more than Marco and Jozu to fight equally with the Shichibukai. And Whitebeard just keeps smilling, so he is sure confident about this war. Not all the Shichibukai are so powerful. Crocodile relied too much on his sand abilities, and was not able to defeat Luffy in a fist fight.
And not as Luffy is comming with Jimbei,Crocodile and Ivankov to the fight, the marines are sure to worry. Although Luffy might be at the strenght level of a Vise Admiral, and they have plenty of those around.i think your wrong
and the way hes been shown and the ways the va are fighting the new world captains
no way in hell is luffy VA level
i've said before and i will say it again
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I'm not sure if this has been discussed, but what do people make of Mihawk's lines in this chapter?
Nagumo's Translation:
[9] I'm just guessing but… He looks too close. / With his true attack range and ours...Strikertp Translation:
Mihawk: I'm just going to measure... so I can see it with my own eyes / the difference in actual strength between that man and I...These translations seem radically different in meaning, the only similarity I see is something to do with a measurement of some kind.
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I'm not sure if this has been discussed, but what do people make of Mihawk's lines in this chapter?
Nagumo's Translation:
[9] I'm just guessing but… He looks too close. / With his true attack range and ours...Strikertp Translation:
Mihawk: I'm just going to measure... so I can see it with my own eyes / the difference in actual strength between that man and I...These translations seem radically different in meaning, the only similarity I see is something to do with a measurement of some kind.
yea its been dicussed earlier
and from what was said and other translations i've read he was talking about range rather than a mearsuement of strength
so the atack he launched was to see if wb was close enough to be attacked
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i think your wrong
and the way hes been shown and the ways the va are fighting the new world captains
no way in hell is luffy VA level
i've said before and i will say it again
lufy will not be a major fighting force in this warOf course he is, and yes he will.
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i think your wrong
and the way hes been shown and the ways the va are fighting the new world captains
no way in hell is luffy VA level
i've said before and i will say it again
lufy will not be a major fighting force in this warplease just leave this subject alone we had like 20 pages discussing this lets not do it again not trying to be an ass here it's just that we could go on about this forever
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marco saying to kizaru,you cant take the king on the first turn is so cool hehe,just something the 1st squad captain would say to an admiral…
and just like others said,i dont think mihawk is less strong or anything by that just bcos a Wb squad captain manage to handle mihawks slash,i mean you expect a catiatin squad to be strong and not to go down after 1 slash,im think if they keep on fighting eventually mihawk will be able to cut him and show why he is the greatest sowrdman in the Op world.
what about kizaru vs marco?i mean marco can abosrob his light attacks,but at close range,if kizaru comes up to him and give him one of his speed of light kicks,can he still abosrb that hit?
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1- Can anyone explain to me how a phoenix DF could neutralize Kizaru's power ???
2- I think that Jozu diamond's DF could also interact with Kizaru's light !? Diamond absorbs, refracts, reflects, deflects light like no other materials…Edit1: by the way, diamonds are sensitive to thermal shocks...
Edit2: I also read that diamonds have high elasticity (bounce like ball when hitting hard surfaces) and are good electric insulating material... like gum ;-)
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Seriously though, I'm curious what people think will actually happen in this war. Not individual acts, per se, but which side will win. Why. How. Etc. Maybe this is better off for the "War" thread, but I am asking due to the reactions from this chapter…so yeah. Thoughts?
At first, I was pretty sure that this war would be the demise of WB, specifically by the hand of BB. However, Oda is a great illusionist and can quickly pull a fast one and make you look left while he switches the cards with his right hand. So anyways…
As the war has now officially begun, we have comments from Sengoku (head guy in charge) stating that this is a huge risk and they don't even know if they can win this. WB has already been showcased as a beast and I'm expecting this to go on for a bit longer.
We have a lot of undeveloped (in terms of fighting) big-"named" pirates/marines. So there's no way Oda will make any of them jobbers. Akainu, Mihawk, Doflamingo, and Hancock on the WG side, and of course, WB, Marco, and Jozu on WB's side. However, with so many big names, I can't help but think at least one of them will lose or win (depending on how you look at it) against another big-named pirate/marine.
When it's all said and done, I don't know why, but I'm expecting that WB will win the "war", but also lose his title as world's strongest if not his life as well. Will it still be BB? who knows, but I know I hope it is.
@Zik:
There's no confirmation that Ryuuma was the previous strongest swordsman. From what I remember he was the strongest 500 years ago or some shit.
Furthermore, his fight with Zoro means nothing since he
wasn't in his original bodydidn't have his original shadow.I'm sure this is what you meant, thought I'd fix it for you ^_^
People you shouldn't underestimate the power of those New World captains. I bet we'll have a few surprises in there! They are probably REALLY strong, vice-admirals level at least and a handful of them might be powerful enough to go and fight guys like Doflamingo and all…
I'm quite excited for what these guys can do!
There's no way Oda will have a previously unknown character defeat Doflamingo. While I'd like to think that Doflamingo is all hype, there's a reason Oda has kept him as the highest revealed bounty.
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2- I think that Jozu diamond's DF could also interact with Kizaru's light !? Diamond absorbs, refracts, reflects, deflects light like no other materials…
Jozu becoming a prism to redirect Kizaru's attacks? Wow, that's a nifty idea.
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i think your wrong
and the way hes been shown and the ways the va are fighting the new world captains
no way in hell is luffy VA level
i've said before and i will say it again
lufy will not be a major fighting force in this warThere is no "VA level." Oda has barely bothered to develop the strength of Vice Admirals as a whole. Anything weaker then Admirals is vice admiral level.
As the story stands now, they all have the chance at making a difference in this war, but as soon as the shichibukai, admirals, or Whitebeard's crew do something they can all be tossed aside. Save for Garp. Same with the NW captains. They're all clearly tough guys, but they aren't the same level of invincible demi god as say Jimbei and Croc. I'll just use those guys as the example…I'm still not happy with this "Luffy won't make a difference" viewpoint.
to be living in raftel and fishing in the all blue.
