Huh? Since I can't remember any of that I guess it's your own assumptions. I myself think he just went through a route that wasn't sealed of bye poison and that's he genuinely surprised. And I especially don't see the reason why he would play dumb like that.
Magellan commented on how BB would had to have gone through there. Then it shows that Buggy and company have gotten free.
If naruto is hell then one piece is the salvation.
Praise Oda.
A man who came for Magellan's poison wouldn't be saying. "The hell's this..?! Poison!? Goddammit!!!"
Thank you Kenshin! I keep reading the Black Beards allowed Magellan to attack them. But the way I see it, that Hydra just came out of nowhere. Then to read (assuming its BB talking) Black Beard questioning what it is that he's covered with, their is no doubt in my mind that he did not get hit on purpous.
Black Beard is so awesome. How do you connect one on one to someone like that in the middle of all this chaos, even though they currently hate you? No matter how scummy he seems, you have to respect him, thats how a villain should be.
I find it funny that this is the THIRD time a riot started at Level 2. Oda is trying to make a running joke I guess.
How long is it gonna last this time?
Okay chapter. Nothing outstanding…
Few things that I liked
-"Awakened" Zoan Users... I'm assuming this is like Chopper's Monster Form. Didn't someone predict this a while back? They look sort of alike and they seem uncontrolled just like Monster Chopper
Only things I didn't like were
-Blackbeard getting poisoned. I know he's not going to die, but it makes me sort of uneasy. He NEEDS to participate in this war.
-Sort of felt like this chapter could have been wrapped up a bit quicker
Okay chapter. Nothing outstanding…
Few things that I liked
-"Awakened" Zoan Users... I'm assuming this is like Chopper's Monster Form. Didn't someone predict this a while back? They look sort of alike and they seem uncontrolled just like Monster Chopper
- http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/544/15/ What an awesome page. Can't wait to see what Blackbeard has in store for the world. He obviously made a pact with Shiiryu. Shiiryu is in level 6 right now right? They're most definitely going to break free all the level 6 pirates.
-Blackbeard saying "So Sky Island really did exist, right?"Only things I didn't like were
-Blackbeard getting poisoned. I know he's not going to die, but it makes me sort of uneasy. He NEEDS to participate in this war.
-Sort of felt like this chapter could have been wrapped up a bit quicker
I think he took it intentionally. He just came from level two which was supposedly wrapped in poison yet Buggy and Mr.3 had somehow escaped laughing how it was their lucky day.
Magellan commented on how BB would had to have gone through there. Then it shows that Buggy and company have gotten free.
Now you're making me confused, kind of forgot already or missed it. But shouldn't BB & co passed Buggy & co then? Well he could still have sucked it up and think it was just a ID trap instead of Magellan's ability thus acting genuinely surprised that Magellan is a poison user. Cause even with this I still don't see any reason he would pretend to be surprised.
Now you're making me confused, kind of forget already. But shouldn't BB & co passed Buggy & co then? Well he could still have sucked it up and think it was just a ID trap instead of Magellan's ability thus acting genuinely surprised that Magellan is a poison user. Cause even with this I still don't see any reason he would pretend to be surprised.
Yeah he passed them. He took down the poison wall that had Buggy and Mr. 3 trapped. It was Magellan who did it. He dealt with the level 2 prisoners and trapped them behind the poison wall then went to level 4 to go after Luffy. Hence why Mr.3 and Buggy were stuck there. BB goes to level 2 and gets rid of the poison wall. Magellan says that he had to go through the poison door and it cuts to Buggy and Mr. 3 laughing about how it was they're lucky day and they are free to go to level 1.
It's not exactly rocket science why BB would fake it. Magellan would think BB's crew was poisoned and paralyzed. So he'll head after Luffy leaving BB's crew there. When Magellan is gone, BB somehow treats the poison and continues on down to level 6.
Yeah he passed them. He took down the poison wall that had Buggy and Mr. 3 trapped. It was Magellan who did it. He dealt with the level 2 prisoners and trapped them behind the poison wall then went to level 4 to go after Luffy Hence why Mr.3 and Buggy were stuck there. BB goes to level 2 and gets rid of the poison wall. Magellan says that he had to go through the poison door and it cuts to Buggy and Mr. 3 laughing about how it was they're lucky day and they are free to go to level 1.
It's not exactly rocket science why BB would fake it. Magellan would think BB's crew was poisoned and paralyzed. So he'll head after Luffy while BB somehow treats the poison and continues on down to level 6.
i did post early
but i think bb will just suck the poisons off his crew members
wonder if magellan is going to be taken down temporarily and will get up but only to find blackbeard with many level 6 prisoners behind him and shiryuu in front of him. would be a nice way to see magellan go out.
It's not exactly rocket science why he would fake it. Magellan would think BB's crew was poisoned and paralyzed. So he'll head after Luffy while BB somehow treats the poison and continues on down to level 6.
You don't have to act surprised that he's a poison man to act like you're suffering till he leaves to chase Luffy. Though you can hardly call the suffering part acting. And I think everyone is expecting BB's crew to recover, that part is indeed no rocket science.
How Sanji became Okama:
Okama: Wear this dress.
Sanji: I'm never going to be like one of you!
Okama: Women wore this, you know.
Sanji: Yeah, so?
Okama: Their boobs touched it.
Getting poisoned on purpose is still a gutsy thing to do. You might get rid of the poison on you, but if it has made its way into your bloodstream, then you're still in a hole.
Getting poisoned on purpose is still a gutsy thing to do. You might get rid of the poison on you, but if it has made its way into your bloodstream, then you're still in a hole.
Which is what Doc Q is for if he can't suck the poison out of his body like Kuma can relfect pain. Honestly too many of you are making a bid deal out of nothing. BB's crew has it covered to get out of this situation whether they wanted to get poisoned or not.
It looked like Blackbeard's crew paused for a second after getting poisoned… I think they might have been faking it, having been habitually poisoned by Doc Q and having developed a resistance to poison in general.
It looked like Blackbeard's crew paused for a second after getting poisoned… I think they might have been faking it, having been habitually poisoned by Doc Q and having developed a resistance to poison in general.
nice idea
does anyone remember anything prior to this chapter about an awakened fruit user maybe that's what monster chopper is
what is up with oda and bondage huh. first robin and now sadi-chan
@RPG:
what is up with oda and bondage huh. first robin and now sadi-chan
And Ace.
I read the spoilers and didn't expect to enjoy this chapter as much as I did.
Blackbeard and Luffy's confrontation was pretty awesome and I liked that Croc and Jimbei spoke up. I really want to know what's going to happen with Blackbeard and his crew post-Hydra though and what the world-shaking event is and if Ace will live and… I need next weeks' chapter now.
Good points about this chapter:
What does it matter whether he is reliant on his fruit or not, basically every single fruit user is…
I think you missed my point. It's not so much that he relies completely on his fruit, but that without it, he would be nothing.
You take Luffy's or Ace's fruit away, and you think they still won't be out kickin' ass?
Look at Shanks and Whitebeard who are almost certainly not fruit users. Blackbeard could never be like them without his fruit. There's tonnes of people like that who won't simply decide their lives on whether or not they get one of the most powerful devil fruits in existence. Blackbeard is not one of them. And That's why i think he'll be just another arc boss. Oda wouldn't have someone like him be there at the end.
Whitebeard only recognizes and/or admires the strong. He's very prideful. Do you agree? Whitebeard speaks about Shanks' battles with Mihawk as if they were things of legend. Perhaps a legend smaller than he himself, but definitely news worth hearing back in the day. Mihawk refuses to battle with Shanks now that Shanks is missing an arm. Shanks has not lost any power since losing an arm (according to Oda via SBS). All of this suggests that as far back as when Shanks lost his arm, he was already an established power in the world. So much so that he was a contender for the title World's Greatest Swordsman and worthy a respect of sorts by the Whitebeard himself.
Again, i think you make too many baseless assumptions. When Shanks and Mihawk had their duels a decade ago who's to say they weren't supremely weaker versions of themselves? I think that is a much more likely and implied scenario than yours in which they are duels of legend. Mihawks refusal to continue the duels could then simply be his way of indirectly acknowledging his inferiority. After all one is currently one of the yonkou in the golden age of piracy, while the other is one who answers to the marines. Right there a disparity is hugely implied. All this to say, the duels took place when they were still developing as fighters, and much much weaker.
There is no logical reason to assume the realities of the situation are the way you say they are.
How so? I think it is quite clear, actually. Shanks is making it glaringly obvious to Whitebeard that Blackbeard is a threat. Why would Shanks even mention that Blackbeard will come for Whitebeard's position if Blackbeard weren't capable of stealing it? A useless statement otherwise. Why would Shanks use his scar as an example at all if it didn't mean that it was a sign of someone powerful? He is obviously saying Blackbeard can and will destroy Ace, who he says is "powerful", and suggests it will make matters worse as Blackbeard begins his rise for power.
First, none of the that implied at which point in time Shanks received the scar.
What is made clear in his dialogue is that Shanks does not believe Ace can defeat Blackbeard and his fruit. As well as that he thinks Blackbeard is a threat to Ace. That's it. Shanks saying that Blackbeard may one day come for Whitebeard's positions does not need to mean that "yes, one day Blackbeard will be greater than Whitebeard" to be useful. It could serve the purpose of hype building and to lend gravitas (heh) to BB's character back when little was know about him, and help to add atmosphere to the storyline, and nothing more. This most recent chapter suggests that this interpretation is the correct one as well.
Okay look. I've never said that Blackbeard could do something or couldn't do something else (other than that he couldn't do anything sans his fruit, which is true). He may conceivably be a threat to Whitebeard one day, but really, i don't know, and i don't care (though not on this one, a day in which he was roughly equal to Luffy - if that day ever comes, BB has a lot of work to do). That's not my point. My point is that in reality Blackbeard would never be the real threat. It would be the devil fruit. Blackbeard would have just gone away without it. That's not the kind of character i think Oda would create to be a true menace. I don't but it at all. Do you? Do you really think Oda would have someone who relies on luck and his enemies and his fruit and basically everything but himself and his crew be there at the end?
The answer is clear because it is written in the manga. Blackbeard avoided fame while he sought out a power that would allow him to threaten everyone, even the "invincible" power users (read: logia's). So either he doesn't know about what Haki is capable of, or he doesn't know how to use it, and therefore sought out the Yami Yami Fruit. The guy believes in fate, so if he was fated to find it, he would. That doesn't mean he is weak without it, it just means that he considered it a necessary tool to prevent any and all obstacles that might have eventually blocked his path. In fact, referencing the Ace battle, he really didn't use his "powers" very much at all except to absorb Ace's fire and suck him in with gravity. He beat Ace's ass with his fists, as see here: [Where you say it doesn't make him weak, i say it makes him a character unworthy. Luffy doesn't know about haki, and neither does Zoro. Yet these are two guys (among many of the same type really, but we'll just use them in this example) who won't let anything stand in he way of their dreams. Blackbeard is not like them. Blackbeard would abandon his dream. That's my argument in it's most basic form. I just don't see Blackbeard, regardless of how powerful his devil fruit might make him, as a character that really has what it takes.
Well clearly Oda is building Blackbeard and his crew up. Why else has he had such focus by all parties in the story? Four Emperors, World Government, Main Cast, Side-Arcs (Drum), Cover Story (Ace), Etc.
Could be anything. Could be to lend false menace to his character which in turn keeps tensions high in the manga. Could be to hype them up so that when Luffy and co beat them down it signifies their ascension into the ranks of some of the strongest pirates. Could be a red harring. Or it could be something else entirely. It doesn't need to mean he's being set up to be the final villain, and i see no reason to assume that as the case.](Where you say it doesn't make him weak, i say it makes him a character unworthy. Luffy doesn't know about haki, and neither does Zoro. Yet these are two guys (among many of the same type really, but we'll just use them in this example) who won't let anything stand in he way of their dreams. Blackbeard is not like them. Blackbeard would abandon his dream. That's my argument in it's most basic form. I just don't see Blackbeard, regardless of how powerful his devil fruit might make him, as a character that really has what it takes.
[quote]Well clearly Oda is building Blackbeard and his crew up. Why else has he had such focus by all parties in the story? Four Emperors, World Government, Main Cast, Side-Arcs (Drum), Cover Story (Ace), Etc.[/quote]
Could be anything. Could be to lend false menace to his character which in turn keeps tensions high in the manga. Could be to hype them up so that when Luffy and co beat them down it signifies their ascension into the ranks of some of the strongest pirates. Could be a red harring. Or it could be something else entirely. It doesn't need to mean he's being set up to be the final villain, and i see no reason to assume that as the case.)
Blackbeard is very strong without his ability. Let's not forget that he killed the 4th division commander to get the fruit in the first place. I also stand on brennen's side of the argument about Shanks' scar.
I wonder what Blackbread used to give Shanks the scar. A fork?
Woah.
Blackbeard actually managed to piss me off with his taunts in the first part of the chapter.
Amazing. :O
Shanks touched his cherry pie, and got forked yeah.
@Dan:
Again, i think you make too many baseless assumptions. When Shanks and Mihawk had their duels a decade ago who's to say they weren't supremely weaker versions of themselves? I think that is a much more likely and implied scenario than yours in which they are duels of legend.
Yup, baseless assumptions:
Whitebeard: It passed in the blink of eye, to me…But plenty already speak of them as legends. The days of the duels between you and Hawk-Eyes, they are still fresh in my ears…
@Dan:
All this to say, the duels took place when they were still developing as fighters, and much much weaker. There is no logical reason to assume the realities of the situation are the way you say they are.
Yup, none at all:
Whitebeard: When you came from East Blue, missing an arm… well, EVERYONE was shocked.
@Dan:
As well as that he thinks Blackbeard is a threat to Whitebeard.
Corrected.
@Dan:
My point is that in reality Blackbeard would never be the real threat. It would be the devil fruit. Blackbeard would have just gone away without it.
Considering you think Shanks was weak[er] when Blackbeard gave him his scar, and as such believe Blackbeard to be "nothing" without his Devil's Fruit, I don't think there is any point in us discussing this further. Oh, and "fate" and "luck" aren't exactly the same thing.
I'd stop wasting your time Bren. Dan is dangerously sticking to his point. I like to call this "Arguing Wrong and Strong", but that's just me.
I mean, the author has clearly marked out the kind of threat that BB is with plenty of examples of what BB has accomplished prior to obtaining the "most evil" fruit of them all. Yet Dan thinks that w/o said fruit that BB would be nothing. There's nothing else short of seeing a flash back of something major BB did to convince him me thinks.
WARNING (Explicit Dialog)!!
Blackbeard is very strong without his ability. Let's not forget that he killed the 4th division commander to get the fruit in the first place. I also stand on brennen's side of the argument about Shanks' scar.
That's fine. But that's an assumption again. We don't know how he killed Satch (he could have easily done it after stealing the fruit in order to avoid the consequences - he probably only did it as a last resort as well as i'm sure he doesn't want Whitebeard on his ass. Though i suppose that could somehow be part of his plan), or if Satch was strong in the first place. Still even if he was pretty strong all along, that's not really contradictory to my argument.
Yup, baseless assumptions:
Whitebeard: It passed in the blink of eye, to me…But plenty already speak of them as legends. The days of the duels between you and Hawk-Eyes, they are still fresh in my ears…
And plenty of people in east blue would speak of Buggy as a legend. Perspective and context are required, but lacking.
Yup, none at all:
Whitebeard: When you came from East Blue, missing an arm… well, EVERYONE was shocked.
So? I guess i'm not getting your point here.
Corrected.
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I simply don;t see someone in the mold of Blackbeard to be truly threatening. Nor do i see Luffy (at this point of course) or someone roughly equal to him as threatening to a Yonkou. And i would caulk up that statement to one the the reasons i mentioned before.
Considering you think Shanks was weak[er] when Blackbeard gave him his scar, and as such believe Blackbeard to be "nothing" without his Devil's Fruit, I don't think there is any point in us discussing this further. Oh, and "fate" and "luck" aren't exactly the same thing.
Yes, regardless of his strength BB is nothing without the fruit. In his own words:
"So I could tell it was the one I always wanted, from the moment I saw it.
The only reason I spent those decades on Whitebeard's crew
was because I knew it would give me the best chance to find it.
If I didn't have the luck, that would be that.
But we DID find it, and it landed in my friend's hands…!!!"
So, he would have simply continued on in his low key ways. In respect to the story of Luffy and One Piece and Pirates kings, he would have been nothing.
What we really can't forget is that BB is a D intial, so far all the D initials we know about are signifigantly powerfull, with or without DF's. Especially considering the weakest one that we know of was a Gaint and a vice-admiral.though of course I'm assuming that jaguar is the weakest
Hmmm nice info Oda. I was hoping they were just wild/tamed beasts but this awakened zoan user talk makes me think of Chopper. His monster point can simply be some variation or poor man's version of that. Like only slightly awakened lol.
I'm surprised the ppl who thought that if Luffy were to touch BB his arm would automatically break didn't get flamed for that stupid idea lol.
Anyway great chap. What Magellan said about the situation makes me think how well BB would've fared if Luffy wasn't there at all. It would've been much harder I think. Funny how that fate thing plays a role again.
Other than most likely recruiting Shiryuu by chance or fate lol I think BB n crew are there to get someone. Seems they're on their way to lvl 6 imo. Hopefully to get Black Ceasar if he does exist. The poisioning is only a delay as far as I see it. Funny how Magellan just dismissed dude and kept going.
Next chap seems like it'll have to do with Magellan's wrath. Too bad he hasn't realized Buggy's movmement and BB clearing hsi way down has made it that much easier for Luffy.
I wonder what Croc will do, his dialog with BB seems like it was going to lead to a fight lol.
And plenty of people in east blue would speak of Buggy as a legend.
Name them. You must be confusing a memory of some infamous pirate with the word legend. Don't need perspective or context to know Buggy is not a legend especially in East Blue.
Woah.
Blackbeard actually managed to piss me off with his taunts in the first part of the chapter.
Amazing. :O
What got you mad exactly?
Surely BB was also injured in the exchange with Shanks…if luffy can get a very powerful blow in, I am sure that shanks could have caused some major damage. I suppose the scar was from a long time before
About the Shanks Vs Blackbeard thing I think,judging by Shanks personality and his grudge to BB,that that wasn't a very clean fight.
Shanks doesn't seem the guy to hate someone just because he was beaten in a fight,there are high chances that BB used some kind of trap to try to kill him (maybe taking hostages or something like that).
Shanks is a swordman good enough to match Mihawk,while BB doesn't seem to have a good defense,so in an equal fight and without the darkness powers BB would be grinded meat in a second.That's only my opinion,of course.
Blackbeard and his group are really frighteningly well developed, Oda's killing me by portioning out their master plan over so many years like this. and page 15 just sealed him as an endgame opponent for me, no one has ever proclaimed to be about to change the very world itself.
I just love watching Blackbeard flaunt his strength, its just beutiful in its savageness, no technique or finesse, just punch for punch brawls.
Blackbeard… I'm not sure if I hate him or not at this point, but I must admit he is awesome. <3 I think one of my favorite parts of this chapter was when he mentioned Skypia to Luffy and they had that small flashback. It's interesting that Oda made BB look so powerfull in the begining of this and then his fight with Magelan left him completely subdued. All in all, this is one freakishly awesome chapter<33
Slytherin all the way, baby~
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Shanks said he wasn't being careless or underestimating Teach. That pretty much proves there was no trickery, ambush, or other special circumstance involved in getting his scar.
A lowly crewmate in the WB fleet managed to Scar the captain of the Red-haired pirates. Big deal even if the rest of the encounter was Shanks smacking him around.
Did somebody really compare Shanks&Mihawk's legendary status to Buggy? Person Shanks&WB aren't even sure is still alive?
@Thousand:
Whoah, the fact that Sanji was pissed at having to wear that get-up only makes it 10x funnier
Sanji minds must be running a mile a min wondering what to do now XD XD
About the Shanks Vs Blackbeard thing I think,judging by Shanks personality and his grudge to BB,that that wasn't a very clean fight.
Shanks doesn't seem the guy to hate someone just because he was beaten in a fight,there are high chances that BB used some kind of trap to try to kill him (maybe taking hostages or something like that).
Shanks is a swordman good enough to match Mihawk,while BB doesn't seem to have a good defense,so in an equal fight and without the darkness powers BB would be grinded meat in a second.That's only my opinion,of course.
actually, shanks says to whitebeard that "he wasn't being careless" when they fought. he was mentioning it to whitebeard to emphasize blackbeard's strength. so i don't think any sketchy strategies like hostages were used.
I don't see how people think shanks doesn't see black beard as a threat he clearly warns white beard about his power
SHANKS: "He Gained strength…And has started moving. Ultimately he'll aim for the top BY HIS OWN WILL!! HE'LL COME TO STEAL YOUR POSITION TOO!!!"
don't believe me read
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/434/12/
twist it what ever way you want but that's what was said
Shanks doesn't seem the guy to hate someone just because he was beaten in a fight,there are high chances that BB used some kind of trap to try to kill him (maybe taking hostages or something like that).
I can see BB as being backstabbing but taking hostages seems out of character for him since he prefers a more hands on approach with one-on-one battles. Also when Shanks talks about his scar he got from BB, Shanks says he wasn't careless so I think he implied that it was a fair fight.
I can see BB as being backstabbing but taking hostages seems out of character for him since he prefers a more hands on approach with one-on-one battles.
Maybe he's getting level 6 crew mates and Shiryuu's in on it
Shanks says he wasn't careless so I think he implied that it was a fair fight.
It wasnt just implied, it was straight out stated specificaly so nobody would come along later and make a claim that it was just Blackbeard jumping him when he was in the can and that it doesnt count. Man does Oda know his reader base or what.
Didn't remember the "wasn't being careless" part,so the trap theory lost weight.
But even so and seeing BB rude tactics I can't picture how he could hurt Shanks without the evil fruit powers.Maybe BB can use high level haki and hasn't showed it yet.
I wonder what exactly Blackbeard is going to do once he frees the prisoners from level 6? Even if he is all powerful there are still a ton of marine ships outside, and I don't think he can go back on that boat he came on … which leads me to think that there is something else underneath impel down? perhaps one of the ancient weapons Pluton/Poseidon? I mean, what better place to hide a ship than the impenetrable Impel Down? Plus if BB revives it than it will certainly be an event the world has never seen. Just a theory ...
I wonder what exactly Blackbeard is going to do once he frees the prisoners from level 6? Even if he is all powerful there are still a ton of marine ships outside, and I don't think he can go back on that boat he came on … which leads me to think that there is something else underneath impel down? perhaps one of the ancient weapons Pluton/Poseidon? I mean, what better place to hide a ship than the impenetrable Impel Down? Plus if BB revives it than it will certainly be an event the world has never seen. Just a theory ...
I considered that, but it has a serious plot hole. That being that the WG was trying to get its hands on an ancient weapon to use to end the pirate age. A lot of things would seem very silly if they've just had one lying around. I prefer the theory that they're after a ship of some sort. I totally want San Juan Wolf to be a giant transformer.
You know i reread it, and i'm lovin' what's been going on and i'm sure i'll love the rest of the arc as well, but now i'm starting to miss the other SHs a bit. I sorta hope they somehow appear in this arc, but that's probably impossible. Oh well, cover stories will have to suffice.
I'm guessing that Magellan is going to use a dangerous poison next week, something that can damage him as well, that's why he said that to Hanybal. He is about to go apeshit crazy in order to stop the breakout at any means necesary, next chapter probably will be just the breakouts trying to scape level 3 before it becomes Poison Hell.
Poor poor Sanji… I hope he recovers fast from his hell...
