Won't be laughing when Zorro does Santoryu: Kamehameha. 
General 'Haki' Discussion
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According to the post explaining haki, Zorro learned ki during his fight with Daz Bones.
according to that post Zoro and Luffy learnt haki before the series started
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I think already having Haki by the time he beat Daz Bones kind of undermines the struggle he went through during that fight, and the growth he achieved afterward. It seemed like he beat him because he was understanding the sword better, and it felt like that moment was his first, honest step toward taking Mihawk's throne. Like, after that, he could improve himself in ways he never thought possible, and start slowly closing the gap between him and Mihawk.
But nope, it was haki all along.
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according to that post Zoro and Luffy learnt haki before the series started
According to that post haki is real and is just exaggerated in manga. (Your move)
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According to that post haki is real and is just exaggerated in manga. (Your move)
Interesting… According to that post everything can be linked to haki due to the character having a spirit. Your turn
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Interesting… According to that post everything can be linked to haki due to the character having a spirit. Your turn
According to that post ki is used frequently, so haki is in fact not the answer to everything. Zorro cutting steel is because he controlled his ki.
(you're next sir)Breaking away from this fun back and forth game.
Do you think Oda secretly has been using ki in the story? I'd be surprised if he reveled Zorro hearing the breath of all things to be ki all along.
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According to that post ki is used frequently, so haki is in fact not the answer to everything. Zorro cutting steel is because he controlled his ki.
(you're next sir)Breaking away from this fun back and forth game.
Do you think Oda secretly has been using ki in the story? I'd be surprised if he reveled Zorro hearing the breath of all things to be ki all along.
According to that post Haki can be imbued to every single attack a One Piece character perfom.
Breaking away from this fun back and forth game.
Oda loves Dragon Ball so I wouldn't' be surprise If he took something from that serie and implemented on his own, but that doesn't mean that this "Thing" was revealed at that point in time (Zoro vs Mr 1) .
I'll take you signature to heart!
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According to that post Haki can be imbued to every single attack a One Piece character perfom.
Breaking away from this fun back and forth game.
Oda loves Dragon Ball so I wouldn't' be surprise If he took something from that serie and implemented on his own, but that doesn't mean that this "Thing" was revealed at that point in time (Zoro vs Mr 1) .
I'll take you signature to heart!
According to that post if you can control ki you can cut anything.
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Exactly what I was thinking. I can see oda incorporating some elements of ki into haki.
Thank you Shadowgreed-san you're the first person to say that.
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It could also be that since it does move at a fast speed that it causes friction even in the air. Tehn it could just be greatly exaggerated in the anime, making the friction cause fire.
That is what I mean.
Anime team simply overdid something that was hinted for me in manga to be heatened up string line.Nothing really weird in manga that has guy - Sanji ofc - that was spinning so fast that his leg started to concentrate heat till burning point.
But "Excess Whip String" doesn't have any reference to heat, which is something to consider as those alternate attack names tend to be more descriptive.
It seems to be one of Doflamingos strongest moves so we should see more from it in Luffy vs Doflamingo..
My point was that even people doing anime(not best team in world) did animated this attack as something imbued with heat as well.
So they did it far more flashy than it should be yet still just fact that heat was factor in that attack for me points to that attack having something to do with heat.And if I am wrong then whats wrong with being wrong here
Dude. It's a PUN. Just a pun!
The only reason it's called Overheat is because it's a pun. Obahito. Oda does it all the time. It means "Excess Whip String", which is basically what's happening on-panel, but read as "Obahito". It doesn't have anything to do with fire, and doesn't imply any connection with fire, it's just one of those things that gets lost in translation.
Next you'll tell me "Roukaru Area Network" from Jabra is supposed to magically connect him to the internet. Or how Blackbeard's "Kurouzu" should be a water-based attack.
That last line makes you sound like an idiot, good that I know you are not an idiot from previous posts.
You are sure jumping the shark here as what I mean that it didnt seemed to be just a pun in name if it was animated like that(overdone-sure).
Beside why not to add some heat to that string when it moves so fast? And why keep it just a pun when it would be logical and with explanation this I dont get.
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That last line makes you sound like an idiot, good that I know you are not an idiot from previous posts.
You are sure jumping the shark here as what I mean that it didnt seemed to be just a pun in name if it was animated like that(overdone-sure).
Beside why not to add some heat to that string when it moves so fast? And why keep it just a pun when it would be logical and with explanation this I dont get.
I wait for Luffy vs Doflamingo to see more of it, thats all.Does it matter what the anime does, at the end of the day? The anime is not a source, end of story. As King Cannon said, they didn't even make it look like a rope in the anime like it was drawn in the manga. It looks, in the anime, like something Ace should use, not Doffy.
"Excess Whip String" doesn't have any reference to heat. Even then, all i'm trying to say is that Oda is really good at drawing elemental effects, as well as typically having a lot of detail in his manga. In fact, anything that's moving (smoke, water, clouds, etc) he draws himself instead of his assistants to give the manga more cohesion and fluidity. For this reason, I assume he draws all the fire too. If Excess Whip String were to have any fire elements, we'd see it clearly. It wouldn't be something open to interpretation. Like, is there any doubt in your mind that Red Hawk is somehow related to fire? We saw flame effects, and Hody was clearly burned afterward. Oda, usually, isn't ambiguous when it comes to attacks and what they can do.
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Question . .
Can someone coat air around them in Haki (CoA)?
Sort of forming an invisible forcefield around them. .
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Can a Shockwave (From a Punch or a Kick) be imbued with CoA, since the Shockwave is air?The reason I ask this is .since Haki can be Applied to objects like a weapon(like a Sword or a bamboo) and it can also be used without having contact from the person who imbued it with (Like the arrows the Kuja Pirates fire/shoot).
I was thinking since Air is basically just molecules of different elements, can it be imbued with Haki like a solid weapon??
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Can someone coat air around them in Haki (CoA)?
Sort of forming an invisible forcefield around them. .A solid force field out of thin air…
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Just to be clear, I'm joking..or not!
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According to that post if you can control ki you can cut anything.
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Exactly what I was thinking. I can see oda incorporating some elements of ki into haki.
Thank you Shadowgreed-san you're the first person to say that.
According to that post Vegabond will increase his delusional thinking ten fold.
–-They'll know that you have a cool sing, but they won't let you know it. assholes lol
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Question . .
Can someone coat air around them in Haki (CoA)?
Sort of forming an invisible forcefield around them. .
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Can a Shockwave (From a Punch or a Kick) be imbued with CoA, since the Shockwave is air?The reason I ask this is .since Haki can be Applied to objects like a weapon(like a Sword or a bamboo) and it can also be used without having contact from the person who imbued it with (Like the arrows the Kuja Pirates fire/shoot).
I was thinking since Air is basically just molecules of different elements, can it be imbued with Haki like a solid weapon??
The flying slash Zoro used on PH was imbued with Armament, but I'm still hoping Oda doesn't take this route and start making those Kamehameha type of attacks
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Can someone coat air around them in Haki (CoA)?
Sort of forming an invisible forcefield around them..That's what the admiral trio did during Marineford to keep the schafott intact. If only to block a single attack.
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Alright guys, I put off replying since it's up to the individual how you want to interpret the post but you know, actually reading the whole thing is more beneficial in the long run… Anyways, I'll try to reply as best I can regarding that post about Haki with my interpretation.
I think already having Haki by the time he beat Daz Bones kind of undermines the struggle he went through during that fight, and the growth he achieved afterward. It seemed like he beat him because he was understanding the sword better, and it felt like that moment was his first, honest step toward taking Mihawk's throne. Like, after that, he could improve himself in ways he never thought possible, and start slowly closing the gap between him and Mihawk.
But nope, it was haki all along.
You pretty much got the point but reversed it.
First, I'll quote some of the original post again if you don't mind.
And like I mentioned in my Ki explanation posts, Ki is referred differently in different situations. Your Ki is your mood and spirit, only when you want to defeat someone it is called '覇気' (haki). Having a killing intention, '殺気' (sakki), having an evil intention, '悪気' (warugi). Feeling serious, '本気' (honki), feeling healthy/energetic, '元気' (genki), innocence, '無邪気' (mujaki). And many more.
Because Ki is everything, it can be in many forms. When you ask whether someone is 'genki', you're asking whether he is feeling fine, whether he is in good spirits. 'Tenki' is the weather, the atmospheric condition, the condition of the air. 'Warugi' (gi is another pronounciation of ki), is an evil spirit, an evil presence, you can feel the evil from a place if it looks eerie, sometimes a person can also feel evil. There are many types of ki, all coming from the meaning of the spirit, atmosphere or mood of things.
What can Haki do, or what does it do? A spirit, a lifeforce, a will to rule over others, what does that mean? How do you rule over others?
There are 2 ways, they either fear you and succumb under your powers or they become attracted to you and becomes your allies. This are 2 fundamental ways to rule over others.
Because a person with strong Haki would mean that he has a strong spirit, a strong will to rule over everything, it makes his allies feel that they can depend on you. With strong allies, you can have a strong fighting spirit. People with strong Haki will become powerful leaders and as a powerful leader, you'll have similarly powerful Nakama. Haki can become stronger when people bind together, their spirits, their 'ki' merge and support each other, becoming an even stronger force.
This means Ki is a variable force, it changes with your mood, your spirits. If you're down, you won't be able to bring out your Haki, if you're spirits are high, you'll have a powerful Haki. But Haki is limited by your ambition, your dreams, the stronger your will to accomplish those dreams, the stronger your Haki.
People like Luffy, he is extremely confident, he has incredible will and determination, he makes people around him feel that they can do anything, they have no fear with him around. His Haki is so strong that it is equivalent to a king, a ruler that rules over ally and enemy, he was born with such a personality and Haki.
Qi Gong is the practice of 'qi' or 'ki' in Japanese, as a form of exercise, or health regulating. If you refer back to my original post on this thread, you can see my explanation of 'ki'. It is the spirit, life force, basically the health of a person. When you practice Qi Gong, you're regulating your 'qi'/'ki', it exercises your body, mind and spirit. Or you can say an exercise for your aura.
Haki is not Qi Gong, but a form of qi / ki. Qi Gong is a system of exercises. Haki is this aura that a person gives out, the way he affects the atmosphere of things, with his will or charisma or fear.
**How does Haki relate to Ki? The closest example I can think of is force and force in a direction.
Ki is the amount of force one can apply, Haki is the force applied in a direction, this direction is the the intention and will of a person trying to overcome others. Its also like speed and velocity, speed is just speed, velocity has a direction.**
Have you seen Fist of the North Star? I'll explain with it even if you've not watched it.
Kenshiro is known for his super human strength, he beats opponents into pulp. But his strongest moves are not based on strength, its based on Ki. He either strengthens himself with Ki or he destroys the opponents Ki. All his muscles are just a side effect from his training to help him master his Ki.
When fighting weak opponents, just simple muscle is needed, but when fighting truly strong opponents, Ki is what decides victory or defeat.
Raoh is a huge man, he's extremely powerful physically. But his physical strength came from his intention and will to become the strongest martial artist in the world. That intention and will, his ambition, is his Haki.
When Kenshiro fought Raoh, it was almost a non phsyical fight, it was a contest of Ki. Raoh's famous last punch, he yelled: "my entire soul's fist", it is the intention and will to defeat someone that gives you power, not your physical powers.
Actually if you've bothered to read more of my posts, you'll find out that that 'internal energy' is Ki. And Ki is a person's spirit, will, emotion, mood and health, in other words, the entire person. Your emotions, will and intention is your drive, it is the energy for you to accomplish something.
Why does Goku become stronger when he is angry? Why does Kenshiro become stronger with more sadness? Why does Domon become stronger when he calms himself? What is the power of love? Why is courage power? Why do Japanese say 'omoi no chikara', 'power of feelings'?
It is because in the Japanese culture, energy comes from your emotions and will, that is what Ki is about.
You should realise that 'Breath' is really 'Ki' itself. All things in the universe has this energy, this force, which is its 'Ki'.
When Zoro's master taught him to realise the Breath of all things, he really means to be able to be one with the Ki of all things. To be one with an object, is to have a same frequency with that object. In the concept of Ki, to attain the same frequency, one has to regulate his breathing, the act of breathing is the frequency of your lifeforce and you can control it. By controlling your emotions and laying down your intentions, you can control your breathing and release energy to cut anything you wish to.
This is what I believe Breath of all things refer to.
Instead of Breath of all things being Haki itself, knowing the Breath is one way of strengthening your Haki. By knowing how to control your Ki, you can control your Haki, you can push it in a direction with greater force.
The reason why Zoro still has to meditate, is because he hasn't mastered the technique. When he first used Breath on Mr 1, it was his first time using and he had to concentrate by meditating. After that Zoro has been getting more used to Breath and he was slicing steel with less concentration. As they say, practice makes perfect, Zoro will eventually be able to use Breath literally like part of his breathing.
Now, Zoro's struggles that you say is undermined by learning how to control Ki/Haki has pretty much been there from the start.
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[/hide]Then in this chapter titled - "Mr. Bushido" (This is the second time I'm linking the wiki page of Bushido)
(Do note the sound effects in this chapter and the visuals of his breathing)
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[/hide]Even misogi (meditating under a waterfall; I'll link tv tropes for easier understanding) was parodied right after.
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[/hide]Like I said, you pretty much grasp the whole point but reversed it by undermining the Ki/Haki tone of it all. Having just the physical strength or the reputation is nothing at the top, especially against Mihawk. That was exactly the point, that was "the door that was opened". When Zoro beat Mr. 1 he thanked him because he "can still get stronger". Now why do you think that is.
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according to that post Zoro and Luffy learnt haki before the series started
I'll quote the original post again, which is also related to the previous post above.
The problem you have is that you think Haki is something that must be actively imbued, must be activated, or that it can only be used actively.
But no, what I've been saying is that Haki is both passive and active, you'll always have your Haki passively, but you can also actively raise it.
And like you said, its normal for people to freak out or be afraid of someone with a reputation. Because, yes Haki is just that, its just that normal. Like I said, Haki is in everyone, but you're thinking Haki is something rare. No, Haki is in everyone, but they must have this will and ambition to bring it out.
Also keep in mind, the person said
Haki attacks are not flashy, they don't look anything special at all. They are just powerful, they feel powerful. Because Haki is not seen, but felt. And we have been feeling Haki all the while in One Piece.
People only seem to look at Haki for its physical effects, but that is really just the visible tip of the iceberg. The rest of Haki is much more, all underneath, unseen. What I want people to know is this part that's unseen. Haki as the spirit, the will that's emanating from a person. Haki that attracts allies, repels enemies.
The flying slash Zoro used on PH was imbued with Armament, but I'm still hoping Oda doesn't take this route and start making those Kamehameha type of attacks
I wouldn't want Kamehameha either but lemme ask when did Zoro learn/use "The flying slash attack"? After what arc?
..Oh and if you guys must question something, then think of this - the Japanese don't find Haki confusing.
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That's what the admiral trio did during Marineford to keep the schafott intact. If only to block a single attack.
While we haven't seen the full extent of Haki in One Piece so the idea is definitely a possibility but I don't think what he was asking is the same, they used their hands after all, and Sentomaru did it first.
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[/hide]With all that said and done though, I'm waiting for the 3D2Y anime special since it'll supposedly show how Luffy 'acquire' Haki.
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In my opinion the main cause of misunderstandings about haki is because Coby's awakening of CoO haki plays part in how people understand it. I think it probably was more like an extreme/rare case for someone to suddenly awaken haki and not be able to turn it off as result of emotional experiece during that war. However if you look at Luffy then starting with Impel Down arc he occasionally started reacting like he had CoO haki in his disposal, yet he wasn't aware of it yet and it was more like instinct.
Meanwhile priests in Skypea weren't even that strong despite they had full control over CoO. That's why I think people have wrong idea about haki (that's something I'd like to ask you if you think that relates with your opinion) that it's supposed to be somethig exclusinve/hyper strong/or whatver. I don't know how exactly to put it in, but either way in conclusion people think about haki as something what Strawhats couldn't possibly have ever used until this power got revealed in story.
I have no problems accepting that Zoro's power to hear "breath" when being close to death was CoO haki, because it just makes sense. I don't know why do you people have such problems accepting haki as part of OP manga like it never existed before it was properly introduced. -
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I wouldn't want Kamehameha either but lemme ask when did Zoro learn/use "The flying slash attack"? After what arc?..Oh and if you guys must question something, then think of this - the Japanese don't find Haki confusing.
Zoro first flying slash happened during Skypea Arc, I hope that you aren't implying that the flaying slash has something to do with Haki.
I never said I was confused about Haki, I said why do people link everything with Haki which is what happens every time people don't have the right explanation for something. Everything is not haki related
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Maybe a way to put Haki into western terms would be to refer to them as Perception, Concentration and Domination.
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Any suggestion that Zoro or Sanji used Haki knowingly or unknowingly pre Time skip is ridiculous.
IF YOU DIE, I'LL KILL YOU….
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Zoro first flying slash happened during Skypea Arc, I hope that you aren't implying that the flaying slash has something to do with Haki.
I never said I was confused about Haki, I said why do people link everything with Haki which is what happens every time people don't have the right explanation for something. Everything is not haki related
I once thought that flying slash is that same power to cut anything he desires, just used on air itself.
Anyway I don't want speculate that it's an actual haki attack, except if someone can point out how haki and ki are different things . However I think that Zoro's power to hear "breath" of things is obviously form of observation haki, because his inner monologue pretty much confirms it. I think that Sanji's DJ is haki as well, because it wouldn't make sense for a thin air to maintain heat by itself, however if there were credible alternative explainations for this attack than haki(friction lol) then I wouldn't write this. For Zoro's flying slashes there at least is possibility that ki and haki have differences(not sure how although).–- Update From New Post Merge ---
Any suggestion that Zoro or Sanji used Haki knowingly or unknowingly pre Time skip is ridiculous.
Based on what arguments do you claim that Zoro or Sanji ussing Haki knowingly or unknowingly pre Time skip is ridiculous?
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Question . .
Can someone coat air around them in Haki (CoA)?
Sort of forming an invisible forcefield around them. .
Or
Can a Shockwave (From a Punch or a Kick) be imbued with CoA, since the Shockwave is air?The reason I ask this is .since Haki can be Applied to objects like a weapon(like a Sword or a bamboo) and it can also be used without having contact from the person who imbued it with (Like the arrows the Kuja Pirates fire/shoot).
I was thinking since Air is basically just molecules of different elements, can it be imbued with Haki like a solid weapon??
I know the Admirals in Marine Ford form a forcefield to guard against White Beard attack, Dark kind did the same when teaching the basic of Haki to Luffy. If it can be applied to air no idea
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Alright guys, I put off replying since it's up to the individual how you want to interpret the post but you know, actually reading the whole thing is more beneficial in the long run… Anyways, I'll try to reply as best I can regarding that post about Haki with my interpretation.
You pretty much got the point but reversed it.
First, I'll quote some of the original post again if you don't mind.
Now, Zoro's struggles that you say is undermined by learning how to control Ki/Haki has pretty much been there from the start.
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Then in this chapter titled - "Mr. Bushido" (This is the second time I'm linking the wiki page of Bushido)
(Do note the sound effects in this chapter and the visuals of his breathing)
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[hide]http://i.imgur.com/uT1OQvw.png[/hide]Even misogi (meditating under a waterfall; I'll link tv tropes for easier understanding) was parodied right after.
[hide]http://i.imgur.com/LfDmM4A.png[/hide]Like I said, you pretty much grasp the whole point but reversed it by undermining the Ki/Haki tone of it all. Having just the physical strength or the reputation is nothing at the top, especially against Mihawk. That was exactly the point, that was "the door that was opened". When Zoro beat Mr. 1 he thanked him because he "can still get stronger". Now why do you think that is.
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I'll quote the original post again, which is also related to the previous post above.
Also keep in mind, the person said
I wouldn't want Kamehameha either but lemme ask when did Zoro learn/use "The flying slash attack"? After what arc?
..Oh and if you guys must question something, then think of this - the Japanese don't find Haki confusing.
While we haven't seen the full extent of Haki in One Piece so the idea is definitely a possibility but I don't think what he was asking is the same, they used their hands after all, and Sentomaru did it first.
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With all that said and done though, I'm waiting for the 3D2Y anime special since it'll supposedly show how Luffy 'acquire' Haki.
A question, in one of those panel Zoro said " i can feel the presence, no something more deffinate like a breath" didn't Dark King said Haki is "presence"?
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That is certainly quite questionable.
Yeah.. I'm gonna try to be nice as possible, I apologize in advance.. but I really don't know what to say to this…
I won't even bring up the repeated mention in the post of Haki being a general understood term. I won't even bring up that many of the past manga and games are related to Ki/Haki. I won't even bring up the fact that Haki has an actual meaning and used in real life. Lastly, I certainly won't bring up that Rayleigh himself said that Haki "exists within every single human being. 'Presence'... 'Spirit'... 'Aura'. It is no different from these basic concepts with which anyone should be familiar with."
Yeah. Sorry I have no words.
In my opinion the main cause of misunderstandings about haki is because Coby's awakening of CoO haki plays part in how people understand it. I think it probably was more like an extreme/rare case for someone to suddenly awaken haki and not be able to turn it off as result of emotional experiece during that war. However if you look at Luffy then starting with Impel Down arc he occasionally started reacting like he had CoO haki in his disposal, yet he wasn't aware of it yet and it was more like instinct.
Meanwhile priests in Skypea weren't even that strong despite they had full control over CoO. That's why I think people have wrong idea about haki (that's something I'd like to ask you if you think that relates with your opinion) that it's supposed to be somethig exclusinve/hyper strong/or whatver. I don't know how exactly to put it in, but either way in conclusion people think about haki as something what Strawhats couldn't possibly have ever used until this power got revealed in story.
I have no problems accepting that Zoro's power to hear "breath" when being close to death was CoO haki, because it just makes sense. I don't know why do you people have such problems accepting haki as part of OP manga like it never existed before it was properly introduced.Okay I'd be happy to try and answer you with my own interpretation if you're okay with that. I'll try to make it as simple as possible for everyone else.
First off I need to quote the explanation post again. (Remember this post was around Amazon Lily or Impel Down and way before Rayleigh's explanation).
Ha: The word 'ha' means domination. To have the ambition to rule supreme over others, to be better than others and rule over them.
Ki: The word 'ki' is the spirit, the lifeforce, or just the force that's found in everything in the universe. It is also the person's well being, his mood, emotions, everything that's part of his spirit. It is also the presence, the atmosphere of something or someone that is emitted or in the air. Or you can call it the 'aura' of things.
Because Ki is everything, it can be in many forms. When you ask whether someone is 'genki', you're asking whether he is feeling fine, whether he is in good spirits. 'Tenki' is the weather, the atmospheric condition, the condition of the air. 'Warugi' (gi is another pronounciation of ki), is an evil spirit, an evil presence, you can feel the evil from a place if it looks eerie, sometimes a person can also feel evil. There are many types of ki, all coming from the meaning of the spirit, atmosphere or mood of things.
As you can see, 'Ki' is defined strikingly similar as to what Rayleigh said. 'Ha' however is directly linked to your ambition, to dominate, to be supreme and be better than others.
Now let's try and make it easier.
And like I mentioned in my Ki explanation posts, Ki is referred differently in different situations. Your Ki is your mood and spirit, only when you want to defeat someone it is called '覇気' (haki). Having a killing intention, '殺気' (sakki), having an evil intention, '悪気' (warugi). Feeling serious, '本気' (honki), feeling healthy/energetic, '元気' (genki), innocence, '無邪気' (mujaki). And many more.
**How does Haki relate to Ki? The closest example I can think of is force and force in a direction.
Ki is the amount of force one can apply, Haki is the force applied in a direction, this direction is the the intention and will of a person trying to overcome others. Its also like speed and velocity, speed is just speed, velocity has a direction.**
But I think you kind of misunderstood what I was trying to say with Zoro vs Mr. 1 though, I'll show you which page and hope you understand.
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I've been saying Ki is everything, its the atmosphere, mood and spirit.
Example, a house on the top of the hill has a reputation to be haunted, people are afraid of getting close to it. You and your friend decide to enter it for fun. The house has broken windows, creaking doors and floors, spiderwebs all over the place. It has a spooky atmosphere, your adventurous spirit changes to fear as you sense that there's someone staring at you all the time, giving a spooky presence. Your mood changes as the air feels kind of chilly, sending chills down your spine, you decide to leave.
That is the Ki that the haunted house makes, '怖気', ozoke, frightening Ki, it has a frightful, spooky atmosphere that makes people scared. But if you're brave enough, the house will not scare you. And if the house is renovated and made to look new, it will not have a spooky atmosphere anymore, unless people know of its old reputation and may still be spooked at times. Japanese attributes mood directly to how the atmosphere feels.
In English there's 'the tension in the air was so thick, it could be cut with a knife', this is a description similar to what Ki describes, the air is the mood.
People can create the mood of the occasion, imagine everyone is on a fun trip. But some guy decides to be stupid and plays a prank on a girl. The girl was hurt and cries, everyone's spirits were dampened because of that.
And back at Haki. Haki is the mood and atmosphere that someone carries when they are in a fight, that intention to defeat each other also sends intimidation to both sides. Can fighters train themselves to read the atmosphere of a fight so well that they can predict moves? Can the intentions of a fighter be read through the air? It can be similar to how Mantra works in the Skypeia arc, through great understanding of Haki, you may also be able to read intentions like how Mantra 'hears'.
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The last bolded paragraph is the usual way to bring it out as described in this page.
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[/hide]I mean I'm sure you guys are familiar with Dragon Ball, "Ki Sense" that is, the concept would be the same - except maybe not the power level thing.. except there was that one thing with Fukuro..
Anyways, with my amateur explanation so far, that would mean the ability to heightened/sense Ki, for it to be referred to as Haki (Observation) would mean 'Ha' would need to be present/be used in battle - ergo reading moves of your opponent.
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Zoro first flying slash happened during Skypea Arc, I hope that you aren't implying that the flaying slash has something to do with Haki.
I never said I was confused about Haki, I said why do people link everything with Haki which is what happens every time people don't have the right explanation for something. Everything is not haki related
Actually if you've bothered to read more of my posts, you'll find out that that 'internal energy' is Ki. And Ki is a person's spirit, will, emotion, mood and health, in other words, the entire person. Your emotions, will and intention is your drive, it is the energy for you to accomplish something.
Why does Goku become stronger when he is angry? Why does Kenshiro become stronger with more sadness? Why does Domon become stronger when he calms himself? What is the power of love? Why is courage power? Why do Japanese say 'omoi no chikara', 'power of feelings'?
It is because in the Japanese culture, energy comes from your emotions and will, that is what Ki is about.
When Zoro's master taught him to realise the Breath of all things, he really means to be able to be one with the Ki of all things. To be one with an object, is to have a same frequency with that object. In the concept of Ki, to attain the same frequency, one has to regulate his breathing, the act of breathing is the frequency of your lifeforce and you can control it. By controlling your emotions and laying down your intentions, you can control your breathing and release energy to cut anything you wish to.
This is what I believe Breath of all things refer to.
Instead of Breath of all things being Haki itself, knowing the Breath is one way of strengthening your Haki. By knowing how to control your Ki, you can control your Haki, you can push it in a direction with greater force.
The reason why Zoro still has to meditate, is because he hasn't mastered the technique. When he first used Breath on Mr 1, it was his first time using and he had to concentrate by meditating. After that Zoro has been getting more used to Breath and he was slicing steel with less concentration. As they say, practice makes perfect, Zoro will eventually be able to use Breath literally like part of his breathing.
The concept of breath, '呼吸' ( こきゅう) (kokyuu), which literally does mean breath or breathing, is closely related to ki '気' (き). Ki means mood, spirit and can also be air.
The involuntary action of breathing is a frequency that happens within you, you can say its the frequency of your life, your spirit. In eastern belief, Ki exists in all things, but it doesn't mean that everything breathes in air. But rather everything has a frequency in them, a frequency of their spirit. In One Piece they call this frequency the breath of all things.You can transfer Ki from one body to another, from one object to another. In this form, Ki becomes energy, it is also the energy that exists in all things. The spirit of all things is their inherent energy. When you fan the air, you transfer energy from your hand to the fan and into the wind, making a breeze. When you fan really hard, you'll need to breathe harder.
If you can control your breath, you can control your energy and release them as powers under your control. In One Piece its just that these characters as so powerful, they can do amazing stuff with their Ki, the energy they have in them. Like kicking air into a Rankyaku.
As all things have a frequency in them, it means they have a resonant frequency. If you can adjust your frequency to their frequencies, you become a counter to them and you can cause it to act in your will. All things have different frequencies, so you can't use the frequency of slicing a piece of leaf to slice rock, the same other way round. Something that Zoro was supposed to understand and demonstrate.
And also like I mentioned above, Ki is also mood. When you're angry you breathe harder, when you're happy you breathe faster, when you're sad you have weak breaths. So a powerful fighter must be able to control his mood, his ki, so that he can control his power. Can you imagine for yourself what kind of ki, breathing you have when you're expressing Haki and Sakki?
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Any suggestion that Zoro or Sanji used Haki knowingly or unknowingly pre Time skip is ridiculous.
Okay. Whatever…... my head hurts..
Oh and by the way I'm not saying they could hit Logia at the time - that would be absurd. I'm saying however, that the existence of Ki/Haki has been there.
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Okay. Whatever…... my head hurts..
Oh and by the way I'm not saying they could hit Logia at the time - that would be absurd. I'm saying however, that the existence of Ki/Haki has been there.
What kind of Haki was there then? Are you saying we have more than the 3 types Oda talked about? Pre TS, they dodged attacks based on speed and combat instincts and pummeled opponents based on pure strength. Only one that showed Haki pre TS was Luffy's unconscious outburst of Haoshoku Haki.
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What kind of Haki was there then? Are you saying we have more than the 3 types Oda talked about? Pre TS, they dodged attacks based on speed and combat instincts and pummeled opponents based on pure strength. Only one that showed Haki pre TS was Luffy's unconscious outburst of Haoshoku Haki.
The real kind… except you know.. exaggerated - like pretty much everything that goes to extreme in One Piece. Seriously though, if you have no time to read the explanation post, then why would it be fair for me to even take my time to reply to you seriously?
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Any suggestion that Zoro or Sanji used Haki knowingly or unknowingly pre Time skip is ridiculous.
You are ridiculous.
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Luffy supposedly had haki back in Jaya, so saying it is ridiculous is quite harsh.
Kings Haki, not Armament nor Observation
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How can you tell?
I think that Blackbeard would not be so suprised with 100mlns for Luffy if he had kings haki.
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What kind of Haki was there then? Are you saying we have more than the 3 types Oda talked about? Pre TS, they dodged attacks based on speed and combat instincts and pummeled opponents based on pure strength. Only one that showed Haki pre TS was Luffy's unconscious outburst of Haoshoku Haki.
Off the top of my head there was at least one unknowing instance of CoO from Luffy while engaging Mihawk at Marineford.
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Off the top of my head there was at least one unknowing instance of CoO from Luffy while engaging Mihawk at Marineford.
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[/hide]I always wondered if people considered that's 'haki'.
If that's the case an even earlier, maybe not quite well devil oped form of that was the 1st time in Alabasta that Croco used Sables, the cutting attack , Luffy had a similar reaction in knowing he couldn't afford to be hit by it. -
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I always wondered if people considered that's 'haki'.
If that's the case an even earlier, maybe not quite well devil oped form of that was the 1st time in Alabasta that Croco used Sables, the cutting attack , Luffy had a similar reaction in knowing he couldn't afford to be hit by it.It's a good bit different though.
I think you mean when Croc uses Desert Espada and Luffy seems to instinctively know he can't afford to hit by it because of it's raw power? In that case it's more down to Luffy's innate battle skills and understanding that lead him to that conclusion. He knows that if he gets hit by that move, that he's done, but that comes from a logical standpoint because of the power of the attack.
In the case with Mihawk, he actually sees his arms being cut off ie he knows what's going to happen before it does, which falls pretty nicely into the category of CoO.
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I always wondered if people considered that's 'haki'.
If that's the case an even earlier, maybe not quite well devil oped form of that was the 1st time in Alabasta that Croco used Sables, the cutting attack , Luffy had a similar reaction in knowing he couldn't afford to be hit by it.Well, he saw how it cut straight through a rock.
Good thing that rock was there. What would we be doing now?
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I know the anime isn't regarded as proof but Zoro's fight against Ohm is much clearer in it.
I had to use this vid since the rest of them skips his breathing. Do note this is the second time he uses "San Juu Roku Pondo Hou" - first was against Braham. Then again, there was no need to cut any iron or steel in that fight.
Specifically at 1:42
The "Flying slash attack" I believe is Ki-based. But the concept behind it is derived from Buddism - which matches with his Bushido.
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Anyways regarding Observation Haki, namely my interpretation on Coby's awakening in the previous page. I realized there was another character in the series who unlocked it naturally - that would be Aisa (Shandian girl from the Skypeia arc).
First, the quotes.
I've been saying Ki is everything, its the atmosphere, mood and spirit.
Example, a house on the top of the hill has a reputation to be haunted, people are afraid of getting close to it. You and your friend decide to enter it for fun. The house has broken windows, creaking doors and floors, spiderwebs all over the place. It has a spooky atmosphere, your adventurous spirit changes to fear as you sense that there's someone staring at you all the time, giving a spooky presence. Your mood changes as the air feels kind of chilly, sending chills down your spine, you decide to leave.
That is the Ki that the haunted house makes, '怖気', ozoke, frightening Ki, it has a frightful, spooky atmosphere that makes people scared. But if you're brave enough, the house will not scare you. And if the house is renovated and made to look new, it will not have a spooky atmosphere anymore, unless people know of its old reputation and may still be spooked at times. Japanese attributes mood directly to how the atmosphere feels.
In English there's 'the tension in the air was so thick, it could be cut with a knife', this is a description similar to what Ki describes, the air is the mood.
People can create the mood of the occasion, imagine everyone is on a fun trip. But some guy decides to be stupid and plays a prank on a girl. The girl was hurt and cries, everyone's spirits were dampened because of that.
And back at Haki. Haki is the mood and atmosphere that someone carries when they are in a fight, that intention to defeat each other also sends intimidation to both sides. Can fighters train themselves to read the atmosphere of a fight so well that they can predict moves? Can the intentions of a fighter be read through the air? It can be similar to how Mantra works in the Skypeia arc, through great understanding of Haki, you may also be able to read intentions like how Mantra 'hears'.
Well here's how I view the strength of Haki:
People can be strong or weak willed. There are people who are stubborn, people who are strong in their opinions, people who are very determined in their ways. There's also people who are easily swayed, choose to avoid than to face problems, do not like competition and thus avoid, also there are people who give up easily.
These different characters with different strengths in their wills, give them Haki of different strengths.
Then there's also other factors, such as their driving force.
People have different dreams and ambitions. If one only wants to enjoy peace by living a simple life, there's no need for an extremely strong will. If one wants to be extremely successful in life and wants the best, he gives his all to achieve that and has a strong will.
Then there's alternatives. If one lives in a chaotic environment, but all he wants is a peaceful and simple life, he will fight with all his will to get out of the chaos. If one only dreams of having a luxurious life, but he is lazy, he has a weak will and thus will most likely not achieve the dream.
The concept of Haki allows characters to be strong or weak based on their characters, interaction with others, upbringing and environments.
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[/hide]Aisa was born in such a chaotic environment, her people lived in a village after being driven away from their home. They were always fighting a war to take back their home and with most/all of them being warriors - you can imagine the mood and the atmosphere that came with it.
As a baby, she cried at every single thing that is scary in the village, the cause of them being Waipa - whose presence must be the opposite of a box of puppies. Which also explains why she always feared him growing up.
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[/hide]…or you know, she could've just been born with it but the environment (and personality/pressure) being similar to what we saw awakening Coby's observation is too much of a coincidence in my opinion.
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I see, thanks for haki and ki explainations. I guess this is why king's haki is regarded so highly, not because it can knock out opponents, but because it can suppress opponent's haki.
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Kings Haki, not Armament nor Observation
Blackbeard get punch and comment on Luffy's haki improving. And Rayleigh commented on Luffy awakaning the three type. And armament is really the only one that can be used wthout any outside sign. We saw both Luffy using COO and COC. So I really think he was referring to CoA
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But how does this actually help with knowing when one can activate it or not at will? Kenbunshoku Haki seems especially vague on whether it wants to work or not; sometimes, it appears passive and the user isn't in control while at other times, you need to concentrate in order to activate it.
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Blackbeard get punch and comment on Luffy's haki improving. And Rayleigh commented on Luffy awakaning the three type. And armament is really the only one that can be used wthout any outside sign. We saw both Luffy using COO and COC. So I really think he was referring to CoA
It sometimes depends on the opponent. Armament Haki can be used without the use of hardening, so unless you're punching a logia, one wouldn't know if haki was concentrated into the attack or not.
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Off the top of my head there was at least one unknowing instance of CoO from Luffy while engaging Mihawk at Marineford.
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[/hide]Luffy's quick thinking that if he releases the Bazooka, MiHawk will chop off his arm is COO? Really now Rob?
IF YOU DIE, I'LL KILL YOU….
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Luffy's quick thinking that if he releases the Bazooka, MiHawk will chop off his arm is COO? Really now Rob?
Then there would be no reason to show the image of his arms getting cut off and stop an attack he was planning to use mid-way, now would he? Of course, that's too logical to assume. :getlost:
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Luffy's quick thinking that if he releases the Bazooka, MiHawk will chop off his arm is COO? Really now Rob?
Lol there's a big difference between quick thinking and actually having a precognitive flash of exactly what is about to happen in the next moment.
Consider Rayleigh's explanation of CoO;
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"…even read what they are attempting to do in the next moment."
Luffy saw in his mind's eye what Mihawk was going to attempt to do in the next moment, we see it clearly in the panel.
I think it's pretty obviously an unknowing use of CoO on Luffy's part, just like we would see from Coby later that same arc.
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Blackbeard get punch and comment on Luffy's haki improving. And Rayleigh commented on Luffy awakaning the three type. And armament is really the only one that can be used wthout any outside sign. We saw both Luffy using COO and COC. So I really think he was referring to CoA
Rayleigh commented on Luffy awakening Haoshoku Haki. They made strong reference on this in Isle of woman. Luffy was praised for beating the BoA sisters through brute strength. If Luffy could use CoA pre TS, why didn't he use it against Doku Doku No Mi? None of the SHs could use CoA or CoO pre TS. Why are you guys over complicating a very simple story?
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Rayleigh commented on Luffy awakening Haoshoku Haki. They made strong reference on this in Isle of woman. Luffy was praised for beating the BoA sisters through brute strength. If Luffy could use CoA pre TS, why didn't he use it against Doku Doku No Mi? None of the SHs could use CoA or CoO pre TS. Why are you guys over complicating a very simple story?
We've seen natural and unintentional uses of both CoO and CoC, but I can't recall any CoA instances and tbh that makes a whole lot of sense.
I don't think the fine control needed to coat yourself in Haki effectively could possibly be replicated by accident, as opposed to the more vague and encompassing abilities attributed to CoO and CoC.
Especially in terms of an explosive ability like CoC.
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Luffy's quick thinking that if he releases the Bazooka, MiHawk will chop off his arm is COO? Really now Rob?
If it was just quick thinking, there would be no need for the sliced arms image.
Really, the whole scene just fits a CoO usage scenario (predict what the opponent will do). If a similar scene happened now post-timeskip, I'm sure everyone would attribute it to CoO, and not "quick thinking".
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If it was just quick thinking, there would be no need for the sliced arms image.
Really, the whole scene just fits a CoO usage scenario (predict what the opponent will do). If a similar scene happened now post-timeskip, I'm sure everyone would attribute it to CoO, and not "quick thinking".
I'm still skeptical about that incident. Otherwise, that will open a can of worms. The thing is there is a standard battle instinct that all proficient combatants have. Sooner or later people will call all those instincts Haki.
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I'm still skeptical about that incident. Otherwise, that will open a can of worms.
How?
The way a precognitive flash ala CoO is displayed in the manga is pretty straightforward, there were very few of them pre-timeskip.
It's not like every dodge pre-timeskip can suddenly be attributed to CoO.
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I'm still skeptical about that incident. Otherwise, that will open a can of worms. The thing is there is a standard battle instinct that all proficient combatants have. Sooner or later people will call all those instincts Haki.
Normally you'd be right. People love to go back in the story and pick out instances where it's Haki usage, when honestly it may have not been and they're just looking too much into it.
With this one though there are two things that stand out. First of all, proximity to Timeskip. At the tail end of Sabaody we saw Rayleigh strike Kizaru with a sword even though he was a Logia, which foreshadowed the existence of CoA (assuming ofc he didn't have some kind of weird devil fruit). There was also Sentomarou and his weird stuff, he was the villain here to set up Haki as a thing. We also saw more haki stuff when we got to Amazon Lily right after.
So during the war we see Cody awaken his own Haki, and the thing is we saw lots of instances of Haki during the war itself. Like the Whitebeard Commanders using it and Akainu mentioning how troublesome "Haki users were" or something like that. So it makes sense that, with Haki on display here, Luffy's thing vs Mihawk would actually be an example of his starting to understand what Haki is. After all, he had just displayed the same Haki of Conquerors at the start of the war, (and earlier on Amazon Lily) that Rayleigh displayed at the Auction House.
Haki is not just a "post timeskip" concept. The tail end of the story pre timeskip also includes it in a lot of scenarios, so we can more accurately point out instances where it is actually Haki usage and not just quick thinking.
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Luffy's quick thinking that if he releases the Bazooka, MiHawk will chop off his arm is COO? Really now Rob?
No, that was definitely Observation Haki.
To quote C.A. when Chapter 597 came out - chapter with Rayleigh's explanation. (Page 14 of the Animesuki thread)
Well my theory of Haki is based on comparison to other media that features it and they all work the same one way or another.
What Oda does here is just that he splits the usual features of Haki into 3 parts, otherwise its no different from how Haki or Ki usually works.
I used to describe Haki as the will and intention of an individual, when 2 fighters meet, they Haki clash, their will and intentions are put against each other.
Kenbunshoku - if you can sense's someone's 'ki', intention, well enough, you'll be able to read his movements.
Busoushoku - if your will is strong enough, nothing can stop you.
Haoushoku - if your will is exceedingly strong, no one would even dare come to you.
In Fist of the North Star, Raoh's Touki (battle/fighting spirit) is so strong, people don't just fear him, they see punches flying at them just by looking at him.
and then a semi explanation again - as well as some explanation relating to Jojo's Bizzard Adventure. (Last page of that thread)
They are similar to Haki because Stands, Hamon/Ripple and Haki are all derived from 'Ki'.
I've explained such things last time, in the previous pages, but let me try to put things into perspective again.
While Haki is said to be one's will, it is not so simple, the word has 2 components, 'Ha' and 'Ki'. 'Ha' means 'ambition', 'domination' among other meanings. 'Ki' is the word that means a person's will, lifeforce, the atmosphere or feeling given by the person, place or object.
**Put together, Haki means 'the will to dominate', meaning one's ambition.
There literally 100s of other types of Ki, Sakki which means killing intention, 'Yuuki' which means courage, 'Touki' which means fighting spirit, 'Genki' which is health, 'Yaruki', willingness to do something, 'Jaki', evil intention, 'Youki', ghostly presence etc. etc.**
As you can see Ki forms the basis of everything that is spiritual, emotional, intentions and other things that can be felt. And when I said Ki also means the atmosphere, it doesn't just mean emotional atmosphere, it literally means the atmosphere itself, 'Tenki' means weather.
Ok, back at the question, you can relate those Stands to the types of Haki that Oda created, just like you can relate Sharingan as a type of observational Haki. This is all because all these manga authors base their ability mechanics on the oriental concept of Ki.But Stands are closer to Ki itself than Haki, each Stand user's Stand is a direct manifestation of their will and intentions, meaning they represent different types of Ki. If someone has lots of Sakki, killing intention, he will probably manifest a Stand that's murderous. You can even say Weather Report is literally a manifestation of 'Tenki', weather.
On a type of Ki that carries no feeling, its called 'Kuuki'. The word literally means 'empty ki', which also means 'empty air/atmosphere'. Normally its used to describe all the atmosphere around us, they are simply 'empty' atmospheres, a mixture of gases in space waiting for things to affect and give them a Ki. I'll get back to that but first I'll talk about how Ki doesn't just describe or work with humans, its in everything.
Let's say you see a very old and creepy looking house at night, it looks like a haunted house, because it has this ghostly atmosphere. That's right, that house has 'Youki', a ghostly presence/atmosphere. And like I said, there's 100s of 'Ki', you can literally slap any word together with Ki and describe anything. That minefield has a dangerous Ki, the girl has a kawaii Ki, the food is delicious and has a Ki that makes you hungry, something like that.
And back at 'Kuuki', the most recent description of Kuuki I've heard was in Blazblue. Shishigami Bang a Super Ninja who can sense Ki, was fighting Noel Vermillion, a cyborg who enters a robotic trance when in danger or battle.
Bang told Noel at the end of the fight that he sensed no Sakki(killing intention in her) and that's why he stopped fighting. He then said that Noel felt rather empty, void of emotions when she fights, it feels just like fighting 'Kuuki', air itself.
This means that this opponent is completely unpredictable, you're hitting air, you're hitting nothing, you don't know what you'll get.
Quite a long and maybe confusing post, not sure if it helps.
Remember kids, 'Ki' is everything and in everything, but you need 'Ha' to make it 'Haki'.
Honestly though, three things popped up in my head when I read that
- I wonder if it's really a fruit that Dragon has and not just Ki/Haki
- If Mihawk's eyes really a form of Observation Haki
- I'm curious to see how Coby will develop.
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But how does this actually help with knowing when one can activate it or not at will? Kenbunshoku Haki seems especially vague on whether it wants to work or not; sometimes, it appears passive and the user isn't in control while at other times, you need to concentrate in order to activate it.
That's probably because Haki is both passive and active, then there's the mastery.
The problem you have is that you think Haki is something that must be actively imbued, must be activated, or that it can only be used actively.
But no, what I've been saying is that Haki is both passive and active, you'll always have your Haki passively, but you can also actively raise it.
And like you said, its normal for people to freak out or be afraid of someone with a reputation. Because, yes Haki is just that, its just that normal. Like I said, Haki is in everyone, but you're thinking Haki is something rare. No, Haki is in everyone, but they must have this will and ambition to bring it out.
For instance if I was to explain the Haki in One Piece.
Haoshoku Haki
Passive: In Luffy's case, his spirit that reassures his friends, attracts people to him and turns enemies to his allies despite that he doesn't want to 'conquer' anyone/anything.
Active: The spirit of the user and grows with his/her experiences. In Luffy's case, knocking out 50,000 Fishmen and before that with the wolves in Impel Down, in the Arena in Amazon Lily. In Shanks case, it seems much more.Kenbunshoku Haki
Passive: Luffy sensing Mihawk's intention, maybe even Luffy knowing the real Mr. 3's presence/intention back in Little Garden.
Active: Raising your spatial awareness - Luffy reading Hody's intentions (water bullets), Luffy sensing the presence of a wild beast (Caribou) after asking where Shirahoshi was. As well as Coby and Aisa who did not know how to control it.Busoshoku Haki
Passive: This is the most passive thing regarding Haki.. it's the aura of the person. So yeah this is probably how Blackbeard could tell regarding Luffy was "lying" about his 30 million bounty (that background though), which we later find out he thought of him to have a much higher bounty, but that's my take on it anyways. Then there's this, though he could mean just literally his Haki (willpower etc), after Luffy surviving and being able to use Haoshoku, that is.. but that'd be a bigger reason that Blackbeard meant his passive 'aura' back in Jaya.
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Rayleigh commented on Luffy awakening Haoshoku Haki. They made strong reference on this in Isle of woman. Luffy was praised for beating the BoA sisters through brute strength. If Luffy could use CoA pre TS, why didn't he use it against Doku Doku No Mi? None of the SHs could use CoA or CoO pre TS. Why are you guys over complicating a very simple story?
Did Oda say this or something? Just saying it doesn't make it true.
However it is most likely that Luffy had no control over CoA/CoO at all, Sanji/Zoro on the other hand probably were ahead in those aspects.
Doku doku is not a good example though, CoA doesn't make the user immune to the substance in contact, poison is still poison, especially if it's stuck on him.You making ridiculous statements without giving any evidence or even any argument at all is a waste of time.
Since we already had discussions about all of this, give your constructive thought process behind your argument.I agree that Luffy/Mihawk thing was probably not CoO, it could be just a simple imagined outcome. It's possible to be CoO, but it's really random if it is.
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I agree that Luffy/Mihawk thing was probably not CoO, it could be just a simple imagined outcome. It's possible to be CoO, but it's really random if it is.
It's not random at all. The entire War saga, from Sabaody to Marineford, was filled with Haki moments.
Sabaody: Luffy's CoC, Rayleigh, Sentomaru.
Amazon Lily: Boa Sisters, Luffy's CoC again.
Impel Down: Luffy's CoC once again.
Marineford: Haki everywhere.Logical conclusion: Haki explanation and training.
