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General Anime Discussion Thread
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Looks like Luffy's fight will go on for at least 3 more episodes. For better or worse Toei really are mixing the chapter's content up. Also Usopp's blink looks strange, maybe it's a mistake.
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I'm really looking forward to see how Toei animates
! Kyros running
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One Piece Episode 649 (Airdate: Sunday, June 15, 2014): 「激戦決着! ルーシーVSチンジャオ!」
The Fierce Battle's Conclusion – Lucy VS Chinjao! -
interesting fight lucy vs chinjao
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I think the thing I'm most curious to see get fully animated is the Thor Elephant Gun, mostly because of the name and whether or not the attack involves actual electricity. It was kind of hard to tell in the original panel.
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2014年6月22日(日) 第650話「ルフィと宿命の剣闘士レベッカ」
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Yep, that's a Shimanuki episode alright.
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these last few episodes have been really good imo. i haven't seen 648 but ever since they arrived at dressrosa i've been enjoying it alot!
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Glad you're enjoying LuffyStorm :-p
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Does anyone know if Toei changes anything between the TV broadcast and the DVD/Blu-ray release? Like going back and fixing off-model characters and such? I've seen other anime like Jojo and Kill la Kill do it, but I can't find anything as to whether or not One Piece does. I'd assume no, considering how much effort Toei puts into the series (see: little), but does anyone know for sure?
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I think they've done that occasionally. Correct me if I'm wrong but I heard that they did something like that with Ace's death (adding more blood to the release version) and other small touches along those lines. One Piece is a series that is produced on a much more frequent basis than the shows you mentioned, so going back to fix every single off-model character in certain episodes would be hard for the animators to do if it was something that would involve a decent amount of time to reanimate.
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I think they've done that occasionally. Correct me if I'm wrong but I heard that they did something like that with Ace's death (adding more blood to the release version) and other small touches along those lines. One Piece is a series that is produced on a much more frequent basis than the shows you mentioned, so going back to fix every single off-model character in certain episodes would be hard for the animators to do if it was something that would involve a decent amount of time to reanimate.
The cut wouldn't necessarily have to be re-done from scratch. The original drawings would need to be kept until they needed to be corrected, but that takes up space. Toei Animation doesn't have the time or space for going back to make corrections for cheap morning children's shows when they're producing 200+ episodes of content a year. Then again, it's also not impossible to create two masters at the same time, thus having a more violent master for the home video and something more fitting for TV on hand.
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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1zhk2s_one-piece-650-preview_animals
Also, interview with Doflamingo's seiyu: https://one-piece.com/special/usop/20140611_0213.html
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Thanks Galaxy :)
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I have this weird feeling I have already seen that pic of Mingo before. A couple of times.
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you're not the only one
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@Devil:
I have this weird feeling I have already seen that pic of Mingo before. A couple of times.
they recycle the same pictures over and over
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Mmm, figured. I think Luffy's and Rebecca's shots have also been reused. Oh well who cares anyway.
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I was wondering if I should read the manga or wait for the anime to catch up, since I am not allowed to make my own thread (don't know why), I thought this thread is an appropriate place to ask this. Express your Opinions.:wassat:
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Do yourself a favor and read the manga first. Manga always first.
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Thats what I was thinking but my friend says it does not have the same feel as watching the anime.:sad:
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Thats what I was thinking but my friend says it does not have the same feel as watching the anime.:sad:
Everyone is free to have their own opinions, but I think you'll find that most people disagree with that statement.
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Thats what I was thinking but my friend says it does not have the same feel as watching the anime.:sad:
Might wanna warn you,but this is a very pro manga site as far as the series is concerned,and honestly who can blame em? The manga author's pacing and art is fantastic.
Having said that,their are those who take pleasure in both mediums like myself. I just say discover the answer at your own pace,though there is nothing wrong in relishing in both.
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Be careful, because if you read the manga, it is harder to enjoy the anime on a weekly basis, since most of the surprise is gone at that point.
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Be careful, because if you read the manga, it is harder to enjoy the anime on a weekly basis, since most of the surprise is gone at that point.
^ Pretty much this.
While I enjoy both the anime and manga equally, one of my main tips to friends regarding anime and manga is: See the anime first, then read the manga. In pretty much every case, you will DEFINITELY enjoy the anime more w/o a basis for comparsion in the back of your mind. And if the anime leaves off w/ an "anime-only ending", then you can always go to the manga and continue onwards. My best example of this is my experience w/ the Ken Akamatsu anime. FIRST, I saw the Love Hina anime…and I actually enjoyed it....read the manga afterwards...now I can't even watch the anime w/o shaking my head. Then came Negima. Read the manga first and I enjoyed it...saw the anime...DISAPPOINTMENT galore. =_=;
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In the current state the anime's in, I wouldn't in good conscious recommend anyone watch it over the manga. If you have any sense about you, you'd keep up with the current weekly events via manga and simultaneously watch the episodes.. sporadically in marathon fashion, preferably. I enjoy both and watch the anime almost weekly.. but c'mon now. Why would you want your first taste of something to be tainted? Need I bring up Luffy vs. Hody? Or Luffy vs. Caesar? Is that what you want your friend's first impression to be?
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@Miss:
In the current state the anime's in, I wouldn't in good conscious recommend anyone watch it over the manga. If you have any sense about you, you'd keep up with the current weekly events via manga and simultaneously watch the episodes.. sporadically in marathon fashion, preferably. I enjoy both and watch the anime almost weekly.. but c'mon now. Why would you want your first taste of something to be tainted? Need I bring up Luffy vs. Hody? Or Luffy vs. Caesar? Is that what you want your friend's first impression to be?
Technically, if you didn't read the manga how would you know what the flaws of those fights were?
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One problem I find with sticking with the anime is your bound to spoil it for yourself, whether it be intentionally or not, so why just not continue with the manga so you can have that element of surprise when you read the chapter by yourself.
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Be careful, because if you read the manga, it is harder to enjoy the anime on a weekly basis, since most of the surprise is gone at that point.
That statment works only when anime doesn't suck.
And One Piece anime DOES suck. Manga is just better, simple as that. Bothering yourself that anime won't make an impact beacuse you know what's gonna happen is silly when it comes to One Piece. Why do you even want to watch OP anime, when manga is better in all aspects? Better art, better pacing, better fights, better everything. Plot twists are much more surprising beacuse anime is milking every twist to the point when you know what that twist is before it even happens. No to mention spoilers are everywhere. Fights are dull and often stupid because of bad filler.
There is literally NO POINT in being anime-only person, becasue it. just. sucks. in. every. aspect. You're imagination does better job than anime, you don't need anime.
People are acting like anime is the main way to experience one piece and manga is like some kind of spoiler for OP junkies. It might be like that with other mangas. I like jojo, hxh, gintama, bleach and other in anime form better. becasue they are good, they actually improve some aspects of the manga. OP doesn't. It literally doesn't. The whole "it has colors, music and it moves" does. not. work. with one piece. Nope. It's like the only anime that is actually worse in every aspect than manga. It LOSES with the manga in categories that manga should't win.
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I don't think it sucks. I feel it has good talent behind it, but is limited by tight scheduling, budget, and a lack of people wanting to take chances to change up the material for the anime. It can be rough to see the pacing when watching on a weekly basis, but watching these in a marathon is still an enjoyable experience all the same, and I think seeing things in motion can be fun along with very good VA talent behind it.
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Technically, if you didn't read the manga how would you know what the flaws of those fights were?
Bad art, animation, filler and pacing are strictly anime problems. Why subject yourself to that first when the source material has none of it? Not to mention the anime tends to pull some nonsensical moves just to pander and stretch things - like Luffy vs. Hody, which needlessly damages the canon.
If it was five or six years ago, I'd happily recommend the anime over manga.. but as it stands, it should only been seen on the side as the adaptation it is.
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@Miss:
Bad art, animation, filler and pacing are strictly anime problems.
The comic has all of those problems, too, to say nothing of being plain old repetitive.
@Miss:
Not to mention the anime tends to pull some nonsensical moves just to pander and stretch things - like Luffy vs. Hody, which needlessly damages the canon.
It damages nothing. The comic is physically unable to be altered by the existence of a separate work. In the cartoon Hody is merely a powerful enough foe to go toe-to-toe with Luffy.
The cartoon has it's problems, but this isn't necessarily one of them.
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@Yuugi's:
The comic has all of those problems, too, to say nothing of being plain old repetitive.
What does any of this even mean? How can the manga have filler problems? Not to mention that whatever "repetitive" problems you may find with the manga, the anime is going to inevitably adapt and worsen ten fold. I point to Buggy in every recent arc as prime example.
And if you don't consider clear deviations in character arcs and major fights to be "damaging", I really don't know what is.
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Why do people think that the anime has to be 100% exactly like the manga in order to be good?
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I honestly think being too much like the manga has been what's been holding the anime back for so long. They're too scared to add in a multitude of extra details outside of repetitive dialogue and repetitive fights so that they don't disturb what the manga has written in it's lore.
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Alright. When people start arguing in favor of more filler and being less like the manga, that's when you know it's time to abandon ship. Good day, maties.
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@Miss:
What does any of this even mean? How can the manga have filler problems?
"Filler" =/= "Content that wasn't in the original". Now yes, anime-original content is often filler, but it is possible to have filler in the original work, (case in point… although knowing Oda this might someday no longer be accurate... Foxy. His entire arc was completely unnecessary and the only impact it had on the story was introducing Aokiji, who had nothing to do with anything else in the arc) just like how it's possible for anime-original content to actually add to the story (case in point, a lot of the expansions they've been doing in Dress Rosa lately. Like actually showing Violet's betrayal of Sanji as an end-of-episode cliffhanger rather than just leaving them for several weeks and then cutting back and BAM, SHE'S EVIL NOW! I think them showing that actually helped the story flow better, in other words it had a point to it, in other words it was not filler).
And on the repetitiveness, I'm guessing he just means that, let's be fair here, One Piece is rather formulaic when it all comes down to it. But yeah, pretty much every problem present in the manga does typically become even more pronounced in the anime.Also the whole "the anime can't destroy the manga"-thing… What he was saying was that, no matter what the anime does to mess up the adaptation, that will not mean that all of a sudden the manga will have Super Saiyan Hody in it as well. Unless Oda starts George Lucas-ing the fuck out of the whole thing and putting those contradictory anime-elements back into the manga, it really does not matter what Toei does in the show, the manga will still be the same.
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Il seems that in the anime , post skip, CoC and CoA(the barrier or the clash of koka) are depicted with the blue color (Rayleigh vs elephant, Zoro and Tashigi vs Monet, every time that Luffy uses CoC the screen turn blue, Luffy vs Don Chinjao…) so my question is why the anime made that color's choice? Is that an Oda's directive?
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Anime is just too boring nowadays. I can deal with bad drawings and bad animation from time to time, but what kills me is bad direction. I'd know that even if I weren't a manga reader.
Manga has it's own problems, but it can't seriously be compared with how bad anime has become. Generally speaking.
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There's no such thing as a 100% perfect adaptation. Every adaptation takes different liberties on material from the original source. That's just the natural process of adapting something from one medium to another.
Even with the slow pacing, I've been enjoying Dressrosa a lot more in the anime than the manga because of the liberties Toei has taken with extending off-screen events and using necessary "implied filler". It also helps that there are a lot of new interesting characters for them to use.
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Speaking from experience, I think any really big issues one may have with the anime only become more apparent if you read the manga beforehand. I got into the series through the anime dub, and I transitioned to subs when I reached the point where the dub was currently at, then I plowed through the subbed episodes until I reached Dressrosa, which at the time was not being adapted, and switched over to the manga then. When seeing certain Dressrosa scenes in the anime, I have that added bias of reading the source material beforehand, which in turn would lead me to imagine a scene playing out a certain way. Sometimes the anime will not execute a scene in the way that I imagined it happening in the manga, which would probably weird me out a bit, and other times the anime helps me clarify some things that I otherwise had trouble fully noticing (like during the Fujitora meteor scene with him sending out those purple rings of energy to represent his gravity powers).
I've seen people on this site lampoon Impel Down and Marineford in the anime a good number of times but I really enjoyed both arcs as I was watching them for the first time. The only time that I didn't find myself enjoying the current anime very much was during Fishman Island, but that was also due in part to the fact that the Fishman Island arc wasn't very good in the manga to begin with, so the anime adaptation was just a dragged out version of that less-than-stellar material. That's why I enjoyed Impel Down and Marineford's anime adaptations; yeah, it's easy to tell now when going back to certain scenes where they padded things out due to the fact that I actually went back to read the manga after fully catching up, but it doesn't affect the fact that I still was invested in what the anime was showing me in the first place.
I'm not trying to act like the anime is perfect. It isn't. The anime follows a tight year-round schedule that a lot of very talented animators and voice talent have to work around in order to make the best of it. To expect movie-quality animation and pacing in each episode is an absurd dream; ideally, it would be fantastic if as many shows as possible, including One Piece, could look as good as potentially possible, but time is a luxury that is hard to afford, especially for animators. They have to take shortcuts in order to meet deadlines, and some animators and directors are better at handling that than others. It's hard for me to get angry when I know how many hours people put into animating these episodes and trying to make them work as well as they can.
And I think it's really silly to claim that the anime is ruining the source material. News flash: the source material still exists, and is readily available to be read and purchased around the world. It's not like after the anime episodes come out that they go back to the manga and add the padding that the anime included in order to keep behind the manga. It's still there, like it always was. The anime is not harming anything. The fact that we're still getting an anime adaptation of a 700+ chapter series in the first place is pretty remarkable if you ask me. I doubt that anyone expected the series to go on for this long.
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