Chapter 482 "Morning Comes" Discussion

Kuroneko

@Senshi:

Moria's speech to Luffy about how he's not ready for what's in the New World reminded me of what Crocodile told Luffy about losing sight of his dreams the further he goes in the Grand Line. I wonder if that was intentional?

I think this comparison between Moria and Croc was made in the discussion of the earlier chapter. I remember someone pointed that maybe all the Shichibukai became what they are because at certain point of the career, they were defeated by a stronger force and therefore losing their dreams.

Geg

Awesome chapter.

Does anyone know what Moria's "purikku" attacks are supposed to be? Probably something Norse like his other stuff but I don't get what it's supposed to be. Plick or Plik maybe?

AD-HD Pirate

You know, I BET that they aren't on Grand Line anymore.
Somewhere around West Blue is my best tought.

Ivotas

@AD-HD:

You know, I BET that they aren't on Grand Line anymore. Somewhere around West Blue is my best tought.

That is simply impossible since this side of the world they could either get back to East Blue or down to South Blue. But appart from that, how should they have ever made it through the Calm Belt?

skarlath

And where the hell is All Blue?
It would be nice to see where they are in relation to the Red Line.

In fact: Is Fishman Island in the New World? With all the hype for it, it would be silly if the next island wasn't in the new world…

Aldrich

Oda said Fishman Island was "roughly in the middle of Grandline". That's the only thing we know.

Personally I think Fishman Island is just before Redline, therefore not in the New World. Cause I can see them going through Redline after they leave Fishman Island and finally enter the New World. The other way around it'd feel a bit anti climatic.

goty

@Ivotas:

That is simply impossible since this side of the world they could either get back to East Blue or down to South Blue. But appart from that, how should they have ever made it through the Calm Belt?

Isn't Thriller Bark supposed to have come "all the way from West Blue"?
Maybe it's equipped with Begabank/Vegapunk's kairouseki device.

Cinder

@Geg:

Awesome chapter.

Does anyone know what Moria's "purikku" attacks are supposed to be? Probably something Norse like his other stuff but I don't get what it's supposed to be. Plick or Plik maybe?

Do you mean his "brick bat" technique? (ブリックバット)

Geg

Ah, I thought that was a プ for some reason. Still, "brick" doesn't make that much sense to me.

Ivotas

@goty:

Isn't Thriller Bark supposed to have come "all the way from West Blue"? Maybe it's equipped with Begabank/Vegapunk's kairouseki device.

Yes it does come from West Blue, but that doesn´t have anything to do with the current course. As said, this side of the world there´s only East and South Blue to be reached if you leave the Grand Line by crossing the Calm Belt. West Blue aswell as North Blue are beyond the Red Line.

@Aldrich:

Personally I think Fishman Island is just before Redline, therefore not in the New World. Cause I can see them going through Redline after they leave Fishman Island and finally enter the New World. The other way around it'd feel a bit anti climatic.

Would also work pretty well with the entire underwater thing going on with Fishman Island. That is if the maps/drawings that show the second crossing between Red- and Grand Line are accurate and there´s no rivers that connect the two parts of the Grand Line.

AD-HD Pirate

That is simply impossible since this side of the world they could either get back to East Blue or down to South Blue. But appart from that, how should they have ever made it through the Calm Belt?

Actually:

Brook: This is a "ghost island" that wanders the seas…!!!
THRILLER BARK!!!!

Page 64 -

Nami: An island, wandering the seas...?!
The Log Pose isn't reacting at all...!!

Brook: No, it wouldn't. This island came all the way from West Blue!
But what a fortuitous day!!
Not only have I met people again, but my wish has come true!!
Yohohoho!!

And:

Zombies: Moria-samaaaa!!
We've got bad news!!!
The Thriller Bark ship has finally left the misty waters!!
All because of Odz!!

And because of this I highly suspect (and hope) that Thriller Bark has left the GL.

DeadJustice

Actually I think that means they just left the Florian Triangle.

boiga

@Aldrich:

I really hope Fishman Island isn't the mega epic 2 years long Water 7-like saga everybody thought it'd be, and that Jinbei will be nowhere to be seen.

My preference would be for Fishman Island to be a low fighting miniarc introduction to a New World mega arc. There's a good possibility that the WG will tell the shichibukai to not engage the Strawhats after Moria's downfall to avoid further imbalance between the world powers. If luffy's ends up taking down one of the Emperors in the near future, then the WG would simply switch their policy to one of containment and Luffy would then be considered the newest Yonkou.

Also, Jimbei isn't necessarily an evil guy. Sure he was a blood thirsty pirate back in the day, but he may have followed a similar path as Zeff towards redemption. This would explain why he got rid of Arlong and started working for the WG.

So, my prediction is that Fishman Island will be a stopover introduction like Loguetown, where the stage is set for the next grand arc. Jimbei could even aid them in their endeavor to cross the redline if Luffy either helps him out with a problem or simply pays him off (after all, they are rich right now.) Then, they'll find a way to the new world and hilarity ensues.

@ADHD- They are still in the Grandline as they haven't come across any doldrums or sea monsters, and thus haven't crossed Calm Belt. There is still wind and clouds in the sky, so they are not in the calm belt either. Sorry.

Ivotas

@ AD-HD Pirate:

Erm, do you even understand what I´m trying to tell you? West Blue is on the other side of the planet. So until Thriller Bark didn´t fly or crawl over the Red Line there is zero chance that it can make it to West Blue.

AD-HD Pirate

Erm, do you even understand what I´m trying to tell you? West Blue is on the other side of the planet. So until Thriller Bark didn´t fly or crawl over the Red Line there is zero chance that it can make it to West Blue.

Yeah, I understand that. But what about other Blues?
Is there even a tiny possibility that strawhats ends, let's say, South Blue?

rusashi

@AD-HD:

Yeah, I understand that. But what about other Blues?
Is there even a tiny possibility that strawhats ends, let's say, South Blue?

That'd be really anti climactic. Oda hyped up the New World after this chapter. Most likely, Fishman Island is the only smart route to the New World for the SHs. Thus Fishman Island is the only real arc we can expect next.

But we're talking about Oda, though I still don't think he'd take a step backwards while we're so close to the New World

Ivotas

@AD-HD:

Yeah, I understand that. But what about other Blues?
Is there even a tiny possibility that strawhats ends, let's say, South Blue?

Seeing it that the characters´ve been aware of the environment ever since they left the Florian Triangle (which is said to be on the Grand Line) I say the chances are rather slim that they crossed one of the Calm Belts without noticing it. Not an impossible scenario you talk of but rather highly unlikely.

@boiga:

@ADHD- They are still in the Grandline as they haven't come across any doldrums or sea monsters, and thus haven't crossed Calm Belt. There is still wind and clouds in the sky, so they are not in the calm belt either. Sorry.

I seriously don´t see an underwater adventure done on the fly in One Piece. Ever since Oda first introduced Fishman Island at the begining of the Arlong arc fans have been waiting to see it. And having Kokoro even say that is next creates additional hype. Environmental wise it is the counterpart to Skypiea. I just don´t see Oda showing that on the fly. Not to mention that guys like Luffy will be all adventuregasm by the pure thought of underwater adventure. ;)

AD-HD Pirate

Well, I keep my hopes up.
I just really don't want to see the Fishman Island. I don't know why everybody is so hyped about it.

King Kobra

@AD-HD:

Yeah, I understand that. But what about other Blues?
Is there even a tiny possibility that strawhats ends, let's say, South Blue?

Maybe that could lead to an Arc where the SH will get a SeaStone coat for the Sunny. After all, Nami was interested in the way that the Marines Managed to get across the Calm Belt, and for what was say about Thriller Bark, it's obvious that it has the Seastone coat since it manages to travell from the Grand Line to West Blue.

Is that or the Fishman island will be nothing but a place where the Strawhats will relax before going to the New World, giving Oda a chance to skip the boring relaxing and switch to Buggy and Company. Really, having an actual "Buggy's Pirates" Arc would be great to see their development.

boiga

@Ivotas:

I seriously don´t see an underwater adventure done on the fly in One Piece. Ever since Oda first introduced Fishman Island at the begining of the Arlong arc fans have been waiting to see it. And having Kokoro even say that is next creates additional hype. Environmental wise it is the counterpart to Skypiea. I just don´t see Oda showing that on the fly. Not to mention that guys like Luffy will be all adventuregasm by the pure thought of underwater adventure. ;)

You make good point and the odds are certainly in your favor.

I guess that the build up for the New World has gotten to me and I'd prefer to get there to see the "Nightmare" that Moria alludes to as soon as possible. Also, I'd like it if a couple of the shichibukai didn't follow the same power crazy bastard archetype that Moria, Croc, and Doflamingo seem to.

Considering that Jimbei is a whale shark, a giant toothless fish that leaves off of microbial organisms, he at least has the potential for being a nice guy.

@Aldirch: Why all the racism against Fishmen? Admittedly Arlong's posse wasn't all that great, but the fishmen in Foxy's crew were pretty dang awesome. Especially the Half giant/half mudfish. He must have had one drunk ass giant for a father.

Ivotas

@AD-HD:

Well, I keep my hopes up.
I just really don't want to see the Fishman Island. I don't know why everybody is so hyped about it.

Erm, because it is an underwater adventure? I mean the whole concept of the Grand Line is that each island is completely different then the one before and with the ground and the sky, the underwater island would be the last type to be finally elaborated in One Piece.

Furthermore I for my part am just dying to find out more about the fishmen. You know with a group of nationalist pirates and a gently shipwright who helped out the Pirate King we really aren´t in any position to make a fair definition of what they are like generally. And also for a adventure story with fantasy elements surely had my fair share of humans so seeing another race getting the spotlight is a welcome change for me.

AD-HD Pirate

I would prefer to get more arcs like Jaya.
I really liked that pirate theme, that was going on. And I don't like Fishmen.
So I'm not so hyped up about Fishmen Island, sorry.

freedom

@Ivotas:

Erm, because it is an underwater adventure? I mean the whole concept of the Grand Line is that each island is completely different then the one before and with the ground and the sky, the underwater island would be the last type to be finally elaborated in One Piece.

Furthermore I for my part am just dying to find out more about the fishmen. You know with a group of nationalist pirates and a gently shipwright who helped out the Pirate King we really aren´t in any position to make a fair definition of what they are like generally. And also for a adventure story with fantasy elements surely had my fair share of humans so seeing another race getting the spotlight is a welcome change for me.

There's no doubt in my mind that the next island the SHs go to will be Fishman Island. TB was a small detour. And, as much as I'd hope it will be a short mini-arc, considering Fishman Island is most likely the counterpart to Skypiea, we'll probably get an almost equivalent length story and introduction to all the "fishman" technology and culture. Though I'd definitely be thrilled with a suggestion posted early that Fishman Island be an equivalent to Loguetown for the SHs just before they enter the new world. That'd be my bigger hope.

@AD-HD - why would you want the SHs to leave the GL at this point? Do you want another 300 chapters of them making it all the way back to the end of the 1st half of the GL???

Ivotas

@boiga:

I guess that the build up for the New World has gotten to me and I'd prefer to get there to see the "Nightmare" that Moria alludes to as soon as possible. Also, I'd like it if a couple of the shichibukai didn't follow the same power crazy bastard archetype that Moria, Croc, and Doflamingo seem to.

Well, just think back of how it was with the Grand Line. We first found out about it in chapter two when Coby mentioned it. But it was hundred chapters later that "we" got there. I don´t think that Oda will let the Strawhats reach the New World quicker then it was the case for the Grand Line.

We´re now having a build up for the NW just like we had an build up for the GL in East Blue. And with that you also have to put the "nightmares" into a certain relation. It is Moria who speaks of the horrors there. While he surely ain´t a weakling it is his role to speak like that of the New World, like it was Don Krieg, Yosaku, Gaimon etc. who spoke of the Grand Line. As great as Moria is, as powerful as Kaidoh who defeated him might be, this isn´t even the top of the food chain. And we readers know that the Strawhats will beat whatever will wait on them there.

So when it comes down to it, it is clear that the story has to follow that pattern. One Piece does not follow Freakazoid parameters where it would make sense for a villain to say that he failed because he´s not the main protagonist. That is not to say the New World will be a letdown but I think the term "nightmare" seems to be leading people to expect wrong things of it. Finding out that you´re weak and can´t play with the big guys also falls under the category of nightmare for somebody who aimed to become Pirate King. I serioulsy doubt that ugly horrors will wait for Luffy at the New World. The story has to remain OP-ish in the end. ;)

AD-HD Pirate

@AD-HD - why would you want the SHs to leave the GL at this point? Do you want another 300 chapters of them making it all the way back to the end of the 1st half of the GL???

I just want to see them roam in other seas too.

Brisa

@bunshindattebayo:

No,it's Robin.I know,she looks like Califa in the last page when her head is burning,right?:happy:

Haha yep, my bad XD It's all the fishnets' fault XD

freedom

@AD-HD:

I just want to see them roam in other seas too.

Fair enough!
The Grand Line in concept is presented as just this to me. It's a sea that is constantly unpredictable, and constantly changing. Giving the feeling that the SHs are constantly having a change of scenario.

But I can understand wanting to know more about the rest of the OPverse. Unfortunately, I think the most we'll get about the other blues is simply information about character's origins, like Sanji, Robin, etc…

I wonder if Oda will give us the "true" way to exit the GL when the SHs are crossing over/under. I've always hypothesized that the "true" exit is at this upcoming 2nd intersection of GL and RL, but that was when the SHs first entered the GL. I envisioned something similar to the entrance where you could leave to any blue, or go to the 2nd half of the GL (new world) and return from the 2nd half to the 1st half.

Now that we're closer, I am wondering if perhaps there are simply just "rivers" that cross the RL at various points depending on the Log Pose "channel" you've been following. And that the exit to the GL is the Calm Belt and you just have to be capable of crossing it.

King Kobra

Ah, this whole thing about the NW makes me wonder how people will react when Luffy travells to the NP…..

Kingudora

fishman island doesnt sound like a place where you relax though

ctarlong910

start wishing for a higher quality RAW. None of the groups are scanning yet. Also we need another trans, we can't use kudou's

TheMaleWithAShell

Where is JoJoHot's HQ raw?

ctarlong910

IDK

whoever complained about watermarking last week, I now understand.

This has probably already been said, but in the color spread next week, I bet Brooke'll be in it.

skarlath

@ctarlong910:

IDK
in the color spread next week, I bet Brooke'll be in it.

If god be good, this will be true

Amen

Ivotas

A better raw is finally up at MangaHelpers. Thanks to Kylara and igalsfy for pointing that out.^^

Geg

@Cinder:

Do you mean his "brick bat" technique? (ブリックバット)

After looking at the HQ raw, that's definitely a プ, not a ブ. So my question still stands.

Razza

Thanks Ivotas for the link.

Ivotas

Here´s the spreads btw:

Pg 04-05:

Pg 14-15:

Pg 18-19:

TheMaleWithAShell

That was a good raw but did anyone check JoJoHot?

ctarlong910

FH has 2 pages scanned and 6 cleaned.

EDIT: make that 3 scanned

Archtyrant

@AD-HD:

I would prefer to get more arcs like Jaya.
I really liked that pirate theme, that was going on.

QFT

Though I wouldn't mind a Fishmen Island, it's been a long time since One Piece had that pirate feel to it. I think that (really short) Jaya arc was one of my fave too.

Hopefully the New World is a full of suped-up versions of Jaya, specifically Mocktown.

ctarlong910

FH has released it
http://www.franky-house.com/forums/showthread.php?p=20219#post20219

BTW: I'm santa clause

VENICIA777

Thanks for posting the link here. Is moria down finally? Will Kuma make his appearance? He should have news to tell.

Ao Kiji

I sorta hate the way this battle ended. It feels sorta like a completely accidental victory by Luffy. The tower just sorta crushed him King Kong style…? Lame,man. Lame.
Not a big fan of Luffy going Gear 2nd AND 3rd unless he's seriously injured and the next arc has to do with trying to find a way to heal his near fatal injuries or bring him out of a coma or something. Didnt like Moria just needing a gut punch to give back the shadows either. Overall was pretty disappointed for the first time in a long, long time. Maybe in the entire arc.

Zoro is a true man tho. His badassery was the one thing I really enjoyed about the chapter. And the scene with the strawhat''s heads burning off was oddly enjoyable in an anti main cast sorta way.>:D

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Strongbad456

I just got done reading the chapter. Awesome and I loved it. Next week may be what I've been waiting for. Hopefully we finally see what Oda has planned for Brook. He better join. Also I'm wondering what will happen to the forest pirates. Either Franky will make a ship for them or they'll come with Luffy and crew until the next island. And I'm thinking about the New World. Moria thinks Luffy will have a lot of trouble there but doesn't being friends with Shanks make Luffy ok with the rest of the Yonkou? I assume they're the biggest power there and would be the only thing Luffy would have to worry about.

Really Square

Don't mind either way if Brook joins or not, but would prefer him not to.

I think the best case scenario would be if Brook gets a ride with Lola and her crew, and they get a cover story later about them finding Laboon. But they probably wouldn't want to go backwards on the Grand Line just to help Brook.

Mr. Lucci

Phew, good chapter. Looks like it's finally about over.

Garaku

Aaah! I just noticed how the tower fell! Luffy! He deflated and rammed into the tower! Look write after he rams Moria the second time, he flies and boom!

(What's with the birds pointing at Robin?)

Oh right and again an awsome chapter! Moria really has lost his brains!

skarlath

What exactly is Luffy's attack in this chapter?
Is he using Gigant Fuusen and then Rocketing into Moria?
I'm really confused

Jinbei

This chapter was OK, nothing really special to me.