Holy shit that actually makes a bunch of sense!
Official Fishman Island Discussion
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It's not that odd when you consider that this flashback isn't about him so much as it is supposed to be about their ideals and its affect on Jinbei, and through Jinbei, Arlong, and through Arlong, Hodi. Fisher Tiger's motive can be made known in the coming chapters, like you sort of were suggesting, but in depth coverage of it isn't necessary. At least not yet.
Right, but you're the one that pointed out that Fisher Tiger must've had a reason to assault the Tennryubito that's not arbitrary, which I agree with. That rationale is probably vital to his entire philosophy and subsequently affects Jinbe and Arlong's worldview.
But you're also right in that it's up to Oda whether this will be told by narrator/word of mouth (e.g. Tom building Roger's boat/Bellemere war/Hiluluk getting healed etc.) or whether it's actually shown (Yorki's time as captain before he gets sick, Norland's backstory etc)
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Aside from the new world, the closest island on their grand line course would be Water 7. Having Luffy destroy the island and completely move the FI inhabitants to W7 could work beacause:
1 - Tom the Fishman saved the entire town with the Puffing Tom, some people recognize that and still love him for it.
2 - The city is sinking, and even after 2 years the water level has probably risen again even if just slightly. Leaving many homes for new residents.
3 - Connected with number 2, Water 7 will eventually float if it isnt already. Allowing many amphibious folk to dwell in the extra space below.
4 - The mayor who is beloved by all of his people was raised by a Fishman and a Mermaid. He would welcome any imigrants with open arms, and with his opinion he could easily sway the public.
When I really think about it, if Oda was setting this up from the get go, then what a freaking genius!
Very interesting idea!
Edit: Though yes dofla's 2nd point bugged me as well.
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Aside from the new world, the closest island on their grand line course would be Water 7. Having Luffy destroy the island and completely move the FI inhabitants to W7 could work beacause:
1 - Tom the Fishman saved the entire town with the Puffing Tom, some people recognize that and still love him for it.
2 - The city is sinking, and even after 2 years the water level has probably risen again even if just slightly. Leaving many homes for new residents.
3 - Connected with number 2, Water 7 will eventually float if it isnt already. Allowing many amphibious folk to dwell in the extra space below.
4 - The mayor who is beloved by all of his people was raised by a Fishman and a Mermaid. He would welcome any imigrants with open arms, and with his opinion he could easily sway the public.
When I really think about it, if Oda was setting this up from the get go, then what a freaking genius!
I'm going to have to jump on the kudos bandwagon. That would be the best possible outcome for everyone.
What will become of Ryuugu kingdom though?
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2 - The city is sinking, and even after 2 years the water level has probably risen again even if just slightly. Leaving many homes for new residents.
I rly like that part of your prediction…would really be wonderful when Oda was planning this from the beginning.
But still i have a few problems with it:1)I think the fishman need their own island and it wouldn`t be optimal if they just imigrate to another island.
This can later happen to many differnet islands, but for a start already every fishman habitats on one island...2)When they would live under the city it would feel weird..living under the human race again.
Even when it would have practical use i think that could lead again to problems.3 - Connected with number 2, Water 7 will eventually float if it isnt already. Allowing many amphibious folk to dwell in the extra space below.
Iceburg has to plan to build a ship out of the island.
I see here a chance that the fishman will help build it over the time and so make closer contact to the people there..by helping them friendship will happen and this could be the perfect start for them to get closer to the human race. -
It would be a bit odd for them to live under the human race yes. But they don't have to do that by any means. There is so much water throughout the city anyway it would be very easy for unwalkable Mermaids to go to and fro. And knowing Oda he'd have Iceberg design amazing under water aquariums that people are able to walk through so that even humans could live down below if they wanted. Basically I think it would be ideal and absolutely possible for all residents of W7 to live above or below water if they choose to.
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It would be a bit odd for them to live under the human race yes. But they don't have to do that by any means. There is so much water throughout the city anyway it would be very easy for unwalkable Mermaids to go to and fro. And knowing Oda he'd have Iceberg design amazing under water aquariums that people are able to walk through so that even humans could live down below if they wanted. Basically I think it would be ideal and absolutely possible for all residents of W7 to live above or below water if they choose to.
Just curious: between Water 7 and Fishman Island is the Florian Triangle, right? I don't think fishmen would have a problem with those things in there, but there's the possibility that the trip could be dangerous if they moved. Otherwise, it's an interesting option, though may be slow to bring up progress.
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Just curious: between Water 7 and Fishman Island is the Florian Triangle, right? I don't think fishmen would have a problem with those things in there, but there's the possibility that the trip could be dangerous if they moved. Otherwise, it's an interesting option, though may be slow to bring up progress.
That's true, there could be some midway refuge if Thriller Bark hasn't been blown away by now and it most certainly has. If the inhabitants did have to migrate under water they might be better equipped at dealing with what ever the true Florian Triangle threat is. I would love it if that is how Oda eventually revealed what ever the heck that monster was.
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Aside from the new world, the closest island on their grand line course would be Water 7. Having Luffy destroy the island and completely move the FI inhabitants to W7 could work beacause:
1 - Tom the Fishman saved the entire town with the Puffing Tom, some people recognize that and still love him for it.
2 - The city is sinking, and even after 2 years the water level has probably risen again even if just slightly. Leaving many homes for new residents.
3 - Connected with number 2, Water 7 will eventually float if it isnt already. Allowing many amphibious folk to dwell in the extra space below.
4 - The mayor who is beloved by all of his people was raised by a Fishman and a Mermaid. He would welcome any imigrants with open arms, and with his opinion he could easily sway the public.
When I really think about it, if Oda was setting this up from the get go, then what a freaking genius!
I came up with this idea about a week ago and made all the same points. You forgot how much help the merfolk could be to Iceburg though. Unless he has a fleet of underwater robots to turn W7 into a ship, I'd say merfolk will a neccesity.
http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=15975&p=2203480&viewfull=1#post2203480
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It would be an interesting Side Story Arc. Fishmen moving to Water 7.
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It would be an interesting Side Story Arc. Fishmen moving to Water 7.
It's called "Water" 7…. for fishmen.... errr just randomly looking for connections now lol
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Luffy may destroy Fishman Island. I don't, however, think Fishman Island will cease to exist. It's the doorway to the New World, among other things.
Having said that, I do think it'd be cool for Water 7 to play a key role in integrating fishmen/mermen into human society.
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i still wish that in this arc the mistery of the giant creature from thriller barke will be solved.if not now,when?
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i still wish that in this arc the mistery of the giant creature from thriller barke will be solved.if not now,when?
Never. It's meant to be a mystery.
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Luffy will pick those things up on his way back to Mariejoa after becoming Pirate King.
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Hodi is a pretty lame villain so far.
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I don't think that FI will be destroyed, but I don't think it will get out of things unscathed either. My belief on this is because I cannot get the "Atlantis" vibe out of my head, but instead of sinking, it's going to rise, or a part of it will anyway (like maybe the palace?). Because if you lose the palace, don't you technically lose the King and, therefore, the symbol of the peaceful island? Without Neptune I don't think you can say that Fishman Island would be the same - Hodi wouldn't stand for the tolerance of Pirates that's been going on, so chaos will ensue and such.
What it boils down to: Just having the island's relatively peaceful ways far outside and away from mankind broken would be, in a way, destroying the island.
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Seeing the structure of FI, with being surrounded by bubbles,which are naturally not the safest insulation, i think FI is almost predestinated to somehow gets destroyed\broken.
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My predictions are:
1. I think FI will be destroyed by Luffy intentionally.. He will see that as a good thing.
2. The Fishman and Merman will live side by side with human. Under the protection of.. DRAGON!! They will not be able to live with the current government anyway.
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Destroying the island only benefits the fishmen/mermen in the long run. It would stop most pirates from causing trouble in the future kidnapping mermen and fishmen. I don't know how this potential incident could create better relations between humans and fishmen. Maybe if the fishmen report above that the SH's have destroyed their island, this will cause sympathy worldwide on their part?
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As of now, the OP world requires Fishman Island as it's the only path to get a ship past the red line on the Mariejoa side. It's for that simple reason alone that I believe FI can't be totally annihilated, forcing all the residents to move to the surface. One of the double layered island bubbles could be permanently destroyed, but the other would have to remain for the sake of a functional world.
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I haven
t understand so far why FI is that important to get to the other side. It
s just there, but you dont have necessarily to go the island. It
s more or less just a marking point where the hole in the RD is ,but i always thought the island would be located in that hole..but it`s obviously between some mangroves.
So it may be important to get your coating once again done, but i without the island down there you would also be able to get to the other side. -
@Don:
I haven
t understand so far why FI is that important to get to the other side. It
s just there, but you dont have necessarily to go the island. It
s more or less just a marking point where the hole in the RD is ,but i always thought the island would be located in that hole..but it`s obviously between some mangroves.
So it may be important to get your coating once again done, but i without the island down there you would also be able to get to the other side.Well on the location, I think it's the mangrove roots that it is inbetween, and that the roots reach into that hole.
Also as you said, the ship needsd to get coated again. Remember how before submerging, there was a bag of air under the Sunny? Without that air, the ship sunk. Now that it's at the bottom, even if the coating lasted you need something full of air to come back up, I'm assuming.
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Well on the location, I think it's the mangrove roots that it is inbetween, and that the roots reach into that hole.
Also as you said, the ship needsd to get coated again. Remember how before submerging, there was a bag of air under the Sunny? Without that air, the ship sunk. Now that it's at the bottom, even if the coating lasted you need something full of air to come back up, I'm assuming.
If they want to go up, they only need to reach an upward undersea current.
When they reach the surface, the bubble will blow up, so they won't need that bag of air. -
If they want to go up, they only need to reach an upward undersea current.
When they reach the surface, the bubble will blow up, so they won't need that bag of air.That's a process that takes 2000 years. The bag of air just works when it's outside of the bubble, and stops working when it's dragged back in. Like an anchor.
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@Don:
I haven
t understand so far why FI is that important to get to the other side. It
s just there, but you dont have necessarily to go the island. It
s more or less just a marking point where the hole in the RD is ,but i always thought the island would be located in that hole..but it`s obviously between some mangroves.
So it may be important to get your coating once again done, but i without the island down there you would also be able to get to the other side.In addition to what was said above, the minster of the left mentioned that the log pose itself wouldn't get them to the New World and that something else was needed. My guess is that you need that to get that at set at Fishman island for it to work.
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I"m sorry to go back in time, but duval just might be THE best troll by any writer i have ever read….ty oda ty
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That's a process that takes 2000 years. The bag of air just works when it's outside of the bubble, and stops working when it's dragged back in. Like an anchor.
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v59/c604/11.html
the bag of air is part of the bubble, if you use it the boat will have this aspect
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v59/c599/7.html -
the bag of air is part of the bubble, if you use it the boat will have this aspect
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v59/c599/7.htmlYou're confused. There's an air bubble below the ship (the bubble looking thing on the right) that stored the air they filled the ship with that would be part of the bubble, but that's not what I'm talking about.
What I'm talking about is the bag of air that keeps the ship afloat until it's removed, which causes it then to sink (and there's no reason it can't be stored inside the bubble afterwards).
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Are the bubbles still limited to being near mangrove's once under water? I've been thinking that maybe the roots extend into the hole under the Redline. Trees can grow between rocks and split them as they continue, maybe the Mangrove roots extend into the New World?
Are the bubbles limited to the Archipelago once underwater? We know you can't just go out with bubble tech as it only works near the Archipelago, but Whitebeard was able to get his and his allies ships coated in the New World, re-coated at the Archipelago presumably, and have the coating last until reaching the bay at Marine HQ.
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I saw the Davy Back Fight again and it's hilarious. I noted something while watching again; the fishmans of the Foxy crew get so well with the humans. Two points. First, human and fishmans can live together (Foxy crew and Kokoro are good examples). Also, Davy Back Fight was before Water7 so maybe Oda in that time didn’t thought about enhancing this whole discrimination issue between humans and fishmans. What you guys think?
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You're confused. There's an air bubble below the ship (the bubble looking thing on the right) that stored the air they filled the ship with that would be part of the bubble, but that's not what I'm talking about.
What I'm talking about is the bag of air that keeps the ship afloat until it's removed, which causes it then to sink (and there's no reason it can't be stored inside the bubble afterwards).
ok, you're right.
If the airbag is stored inside the bubble, then people will be able to reach new world without have to enter in fishman island. -
I saw the Davy Back Fight again and it's hilarious. I noted something while watching again; the fishmans of the Foxy crew get so well with the humans. Two points. First, human and fishmans can live together (Foxy crew and Kokoro are good examples). Also, Davy Back Fight was before Water7 so maybe Oda in that time didn’t thought about enhancing this whole discrimination issue between humans and fishmans. What you guys think?
Foxy crew isn't that great of an example since Foxy probably had fishman on it just cause he collects crewmembers, so it makes sense why he would have rare anomalies like a fishman/giant hybrid. Also, he isn't constantly interacting with individual crewmembers since his crew is so big. Foxy treats his crew like trading cards - things to be collected and used to win. If a fishman gives him an advantage he gets a fishman, regardless of whether he would personally befriend one or not. It's difficult to tell how Foxy's crewmembers would interact with each other on a personal level outside of davy back fights, so we can't tell if Capote or Big Pan would also be treated badly. Although I do personally doubt it.
Kokoro doesn't completely count either since she kept the fact that she was a mermaid hidden - even Chimney didn't know about it - if anything that shows that seafolk are discriminated against in Water7 as well. I think this is partly why it was so easy to frame Tom - people believed he must have gone crazy and savage even though everything he did previously went completely against that. It goes back to this idea that fishmen are savage (see what the auction participants called Hatchi when his cover was blown)
The fact is that Oda had brought in fishman discrimination in W7, but he did it in a much more subtle way until it was finally made clear in Saobody.
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Aside from the new world, the closest island on their grand line course would be Water 7. Having Luffy destroy the island and completely move the FI inhabitants to W7 could work beacause:
1 - Tom the Fishman saved the entire town with the Puffing Tom, some people recognize that and still love him for it.
2 - The city is sinking, and even after 2 years the water level has probably risen again even if just slightly. Leaving many homes for new residents.
3 - Connected with number 2, Water 7 will eventually float if it isnt already. Allowing many amphibious folk to dwell in the extra space below.
4 - The mayor who is beloved by all of his people was raised by a Fishman and a Mermaid. He would welcome any imigrants with open arms, and with his opinion he could easily sway the public.
When I really think about it, if Oda was setting this up from the get go, then what a freaking genius!
Though i think the idea is really cool and quite pausible, I have one problem with it. Wouldn't it be super easy for people to come and just kidnap the mermiads and fishmen? The whole race would be thrown into slavery in no time. At least underwater they have some type of protection from a Yonkou and of course knowledge of the sea.
Another thing I'm quite curious about is how Doflamingo plays into this whole thing!
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ok, you're right.
If the airbag is stored inside the bubble, then people will be able to reach new world without have to enter in fishman island.Yeah, the airbag should still be there and it should get them back up to the top easily enough (and this is true for most ships in general). The real reason Fishman Island needs to be there is for the log poses. Even that could technically be bandaided, but I'm hoping for something a little more difficult this time around than "follow the needle!"
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I have a doubt.
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It should be, yes.
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couldn't be that ,in other routes, your log pose points towards a new world island but you have to go through fishman island in order to go there?
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couldn't be that ,in other routes, your log pose points towards a new world island but you have to go through fishman island in order to go there?
Then under grand line rules you couldn't get to fishman island.
I'm still waiting for an explanation on how ANYBODY finds shabody.
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Then under grand line rules you couldn't get to fishman island.
I'm still waiting for an explanation on how ANYBODY finds shabody.
yes, if you find Shabondy you'll can reach fishman island, but how do you know where shabaody is? Eternal Pose? but shabaody is made of trees, so the log pose shouldn't work.
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Eternal Pose of Marine ford, ask for directions.
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Well, if all log poses near the end of first half of Grand Line point towards Fishman Island, they essentially work as a normal compass (just not pointing north). You find Sabaody by finding the Red Line, then navigating using a fixed point (Fishman Island), using a set of coordinates to guide you.
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Well, if all log poses near the end of first half of Grand Line point towards Fishman Island, they essentially work as a normal compass (just not pointing north). You find Sabaody by finding the Red Line, then navigating using a fixed point (Fishman Island), using a set of coordinates to guide you.
Ok, so a pirate ,who go through one of the Grand Line routes, can't find Shabaody if his log pose doesn't point toward Fishman Island.
So, all the Grand Line routes go through Fishman Island.
Here we can see that there is 5 routes through New world.
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v13/c105/8.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v51/c498/11.html
All that routes begin in Fishman island, so How do you chose a route?
There is only one place where something similar has happened: Twin Cape, where do you have to chose one of seven routes.
but in twin capes nothing was explained
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v13/c105/18.html
now, we know that the Redline is composed by several islands
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v59/c604/13.html
Maybe, crocus did something to the Log pose, and thanks to that, the log pose recorded the route of the redline island which is the same that the route toward Whisky Peak.
Now, In fishman island, there are 5 routes, so there are 5 redline islands which form part of the routes. The Log pose can't chose one of the islands because that islands are too close. So something is needed in order to can chose one of the routes. Maybe Den knows something. -
My guess for how the route is chosen at the Twin Capes is simply time. The pose takes time to adapt to a magnetic field, and the red line is spitting out a whole bunch. I figure it points to one island, then every few hours or so it cycles to the next island route until you leave.
To be perfectly honest, log poses have really disappointed me. They make navigation in the dreaded Grand Line easier instead of harder. Just follow the needle. Now we know that a "simple pose" isn't enough for the New World, so I'm hoping for something a lot more creative (and difficult for the navigator) this time around. It's hard enough to make a theory about how a path is chosen at the Twin Peaks, where we have tons of information already. However, the spot at Fishman Island and then the New World requires an entirely new system we lack info about, so I can't even harvest a guess at how a choice is made within that system.
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In addition to what was said above, the minster of the left mentioned that the log pose itself wouldn't get them to the New World and that something else was needed. My guess is that you need that to get that at set at Fishman island for it to work.
Yeah, forgot about that.
But still i somehow doubt that it`s necessary that the whole island has to stay at his place, so that travelers could get that piece they need and a coating.
They could also make a smaller bubble down there, where some fishman work and give that thing to those who want to cross the RL and also it could be a coating station still down there.(for all those who need a second coating) -
Question:
If you have the eternal ports of 3 islands, shouldn't you be able to determine your global position almost unambiguously by the angle of the arrows since you are on a spherical plane?
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Question:
If you have the eternal ports of 3 islands, shouldn't you be able to determine your global position almost unambiguously by the angle of the arrows since you are on a spherical plane?
Only if you assume that they all point in a straight line, which may or may not be the case. Oda could easily have various magnetic fields cause the paths to bend back and forth so that you're not really sure.
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So I was thinking about this page, especially about Tiger's response to Neptune's question. At first I was like "man, this one word…", but then it got me thinking about Tiger. I mean here is a fishman who lives in Fishmen Island, so normally his first experience with humans would be: Slavers, Tenryuubito, discrimination… etc. It's kind of confusing to me that Fisher Tiger would see something worst than that in his adventures, which make him go the distant and invade Marijoa.
The other thing is the Queen. You can hear his feelings too? Really? That's kind of cheating lol. I wonder if the WG could use it in investigations, like a Lie-detector.
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Though i think the idea is really cool and quite pausible, I have one problem with it. Wouldn't it be super easy for people to come and just kidnap the mermiads and fishmen? The whole race would be thrown into slavery in no time. At least underwater they have some type of protection from a Yonkou and of course knowledge of the sea.
Another thing I'm quite curious about is how Doflamingo plays into this whole thing!
I know they don't have Kaku, Lucci, or Kalifa any more but the Galleyla Company (which now consists of the Franky Family) are more than capable of handling evil pirates as well government officials. Of course a real big bad could just whipe them all out, but all the ships workers sure didn't fear any pirates, not even the local towns folk.
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Is it conform now that Fishmen/Mermaid age differently than humans?