Shichibukai Discussion Thread
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_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
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First Roster:
- Mihawk
- Crocodile (revoked)
- Donquixote Doflamingo
- Bartholomew Kuma
- Gekko Moriah
- Boa Hancock
- Jimbe
Second Roster:
- Mihawk
- Marshall D. Teach (resigned)
- Donquixote Doflamingo
- Bartholomew Kuma
- Gekko Moriah (revoked)
- Boa Hancock
- Jimben (resigned)
Third Roster:
- Bartholomew Kuma
- Boa Hancock
- Buggy
- Mihawk
- Donquixote Doflamingo (revoked)
- Trafalgar Law (revoked)
- Edward Weevil
Should be interesting to see how they'll scramble to get the new two spaces filled. Reverie could be when they discuss candidates. Then do they go with pre-TS pirates or do they go with characters we haven't seen yet like in the case of Weevil.
Hopefully Fujitoras dream doesn't come true before they find other Shichibukai
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Just reporting a popular theory that Eneru was one of the new Shichibukai after the 2Y timeskip… now with 2 vacants spots I've the feeling that this theory is gonna come back again...
God Enel bows to no one.
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Just call back Croc and Moria just because.
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Hopefully Fujitoras dream doesn't come true before they find other Shichibukai
Fujitora may have jeopardized his efforts in the short term due to his being expelled from the all Marine bases until he captures Law and Luffy. He may have to become Fleet Admiral (highly unlikely because the Gorosei will definitely be opposed) before he can try to get his dream out in the open.
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Fujitora may have jeopardized his efforts in the short term due to his being expelled from the all Marine bases until he captures Law and Luffy. He may have to become Fleet Admiral (highly unlikely because the Gorosei will definitely be opposed) before he can try to get his dream out in the open.
I'm wondering where Reverie will be held; if it isn't a marine base, Fujitora might still be allowed in. If he's not, though, that might be a problem. Or it might not.
I certainly don't think they'll replace Law and Doffy by Reverie, so the balance will already be off. People also have a habit of letting their attitudes be dominated by recent events. The Dressrosa incident is going to have a big impact on Reverie whether or not Fujitora is present. Heck, Akainu is probably opposed to the Shichibukai system (he is against all pirates, as far as I can tell), and even though he's furious at Fujitora right now he might forward the same agenda anyway.
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I'm wondering where Reverie will be held; if it isn't a marine base, Fujitora might still be allowed in. If he's not, though, that might be a problem. Or it might not.
I certainly don't think they'll replace Law and Doffy by Reverie, so the balance will already be off. People also have a habit of letting their attitudes be dominated by recent events. The Dressrosa incident is going to have a big impact on Reverie whether or not Fujitora is present. Heck, Akainu is probably opposed to the Shichibukai system (he is against all pirates, as far as I can tell), and even though he's furious at Fujitora right now he might forward the same agenda anyway.
I believe that Reverie is supposed to take place at Mariejois. Fujitora may be able to get in but I believe that Mariejois forces serve directly under the Gorosei and the CD's. Now even if they block him from entering I'm sure that those particular security forces aren't really that strong, so Fujitora could always "let" himself in. Of course, that could mean his firing from the Marines.
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I seriously hope Law and Doffy won't be replaced at all. When a group changes its members too many times, it starts losing its identity inside the story. With Fujitora (and probably Akainu) planning to dissolve the Shichibukai, I hope something takes place before the two can be replaced, avoiding too many changes in the Shichibukai.
Having old faces coming back (like Enel) could diminish the feeling, though. -
Apparently "Weevil" in Japanese is called "Zoumushi", which means "elephant insect".
Guess we ARE going to see him in this arc.
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Fujitora may have jeopardized his efforts in the short term due to his being expelled from the all Marine bases until he captures Law and Luffy. He may have to become Fleet Admiral (highly unlikely because the Gorosei will definitely be opposed) before he can try to get his dream out in the open.
I don't even think his dream is a good idea dispelling the Shichibukai is not a good idea having people like Doflamingo
! (even though he captured now)and Mihawk running around is not a good idea better to have them on your side.
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I don't even think his dream is a good idea dispelling the Shichibukai is not a good idea having people like Doflamingo
! (even though he captured now)and Mihawk running around is not a good idea better to have them on your side.
I need you to clarify this because your use of negatives has left me confused.
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I need you to clarify this because your use of negatives has left me confused.
sorry, I'm not even paying attention just typing away. I'm just saying Fujitoras dream is a bad idea
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sorry, I'm not even paying attention just typing away. I'm just saying Fujitoras dream is a bad idea
Croc, Teach, Doffy, Jinbe, Law have given the WG nothing but bad press. Hancock doesn't listen and also attacks their men. Moriah was useless. Buggy is only worth something because of his crew. Kuma will stick to the WG even if they disband.
They'll make big enemies out of Mihawk, Hancock, and maybe Weevil, but keeping them around definitely isn't worth it anymore. They've done more harm than good.
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It would be interesting to see what happens to Hancock if the shichibukai are disbanded. Especially considering Luffy would be mainly at fault.
Hancock rescue arc?
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Croc, Teach, Doffy, Jinbe, Law have given the WG nothing but bad press. Hancock doesn't listen and also attacks their men. Moriah was useless. Buggy is only worth something because of his crew. Kuma will stick to the WG even if they disband.
They'll make big enemies out of Mihawk, Hancock, and maybe Weevil, but keeping them around definitely isn't worth it anymore. They've done more harm than good.
It's a major loss if they lose the Shichibukai system, there losing major man power especially if they want to combatant the Yonko's. Plus the WG get certain profits from them when there doing underground deals.
! Since Doflamingo isn't managing that anymore hell is going to break loose and the WG is going to feel it for sure.
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It would be interesting to see what happens to Hancock if the shichibukai are disbanded. Especially considering Luffy would be mainly at fault.
Hancock rescue arc?
The Marines are going to have more to worry about than Hancock when the system is actually abolished (like the effects of the downfall of multiple members of the Yonkou).
And she's strong enough to hold her own anyways.
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It's a major loss if they lose the Shichibukai system, there losing major man power especially if they want to combatant the Yonko's. Plus the WG get certain profits from them when there doing underground deals.
! Since Doflamingo isn't managing that anymore hell is going to break loose and the WG is going to feel it for sure.
So you believe that the Shichibukai will remain until the end of the WG at Final War?
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I just realized Weeble's stache is nosehair.
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So you believe that the Shichibukai will remain until the end of the WG at Final War?
During the war I think they'll be there for sure. Once the war ends I'm a little skeptical.
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Why limit the warlords to 7?
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Taeyeon:Why limit the warlords to 7?
Cause then they'd have a less catchy name?
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The meta answer to that would be, because there are only seven magnificent samurai cowboys.
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The meta answer to that would be, because there are only seven magnificent samurai cowboys.
Eventually they'll dwindle down to three stooges.
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It seems Mihawk, Hancock, and Kuma are the only three to stick around for the whole duration. And even then, only Kuma is 100% loyal: Mihawk is indifferent to following the WG and Hancock has outrighted attacked marines.
I imagine the Gorosei are ready to pull their hair out.
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It seems Mihawk, Hancock, and Kuma are the only three to stick around for the whole duration. And even then, only Kuma is 100% loyal: Mihawk is indifferent to following the WG and Hancock actively disobeys.
Someone needs to fingerpoke Kuma pronto
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I believe people underestimate the benificial effects of the Shichibukai system. Each Shichibukai is a person whose power was aknowledged by the WG (either the person's own power or the one that (s)he could mobilize - Buggy's case). There is a reason why the WG created this system and keeps it going on and there is a reason why it is a power that "keeps a balance".
Having the Shichibukai affects the WG in two ways, first it gives them powerful human weapons to use against the Yonkou (and, more importantly, to not use since the simple fact the group exists is usually enough to keep the Yonkou at bay), secondly it prevents those 7 aknowledged threats from being enemies themselves and joining powers with other pirates. Yes, those 7 have their crimes overlooked, but at the same time they can't openly act against the WG.
Disbanding the Shichibukai not only deprives the WG of one of its main two weapons, but also turns that weapon against them. The WG not only loses a big part of its own offensive and defensive power but also grants that power to its enemies.
So instead of thinking "can Amazon Lilly survive if the Shichibukai are disbanded?" I actually wonder "can the WG survive the disbandment of the Shichibukai?".
Really, can the WG afford having those 7 new enemies? While at the same time saying to the Yonkou "you know the shichibukai that would protect me from you? Don't worry, now the admirals have to fight you AND them at the same time"?
And just imagine if the former Shichibukai get butthurt about being fired and one of them, just one, approaches the others with this "hey, I know we never got along, but we at least worked together for a while and why don't we all join forces to show the WG what they get for looking down on us?"?Seriosuly, disbanding the Shichibukai is suicidal for the WG. But, who knows, maybe that's exactly what Fujitora is aiming for.
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If the shichi-system is so important, fujitora can easely be seen as a revo.
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We have seen how Doffy and Croc were a lot more dangerous than what they were as regular pirates just by staying in one place and people knowing it.
We have seen how everyone except Mihawk, Weevil and Buggy have actively tried to damage the goverment.
We have seen how Doffy actualy invited pirates to his country (and then erased them, but for a few moments, the goverment might have something to think about)
We have seen how golden boy Weevil is killing around 600 people on average.
We haven't seen them do much other than taking down smallfry, up to Weevil taking down someone relatively important, and participate in the war.
The system allowed Blackbeard get whatever he needed for his plans.
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So instead of thinking "can Amazon Lilly survive if the Shichibukai are disbanded?" I actually wonder "can the WG survive the disbandment of the Shichibukai?".
Really, can the WG afford having those 7 new enemies? While at the same time saying to the Yonkou "you know the shichibukai that would protect me from you? Don't worry, now the admirals have to fight you AND them at the same time"?
And just imagine if the former Shichibukai get butthurt about being fired and one of them, just one, approaches the others with this "hey, I know we never got along, but we at least worked together for a while and why don't we all join forces to show the WG what they get for looking down on us?"?Seriosuly, disbanding the Shichibukai is suicidal for the WG. But, who knows, maybe that's exactly what Fujitora is aiming for.
Well, actually now there are more former 7bukai then current 7bukai (6/5), so we're already in the situation you are describing
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We have seen how Doffy and Croc were a lot more dangerous than what they were as regular pirates just by staying in one place and people knowing it.
We have seen how everyone except Mihawk, Weevil and Buggy have actively tried to damage the goverment.
We have seen how Doffy actualy invited pirates to his country (and then erased them, but for a few moments, the goverment might have something to think about)
We have seen how golden boy Weevil is killing around 600 people on average.
We haven't seen them do much other than taking down smallfry, up to Weevil taking down someone relatively important, and participate in the war.
The system allowed Blackbeard get whatever he needed for his plans.
From the WG eyes, nothing of that would be seen as reason to disband the Shichibukai, but to tighten their leashes. And most of those are not even going against the government, I believe you are mistaking "World Government" with "World population". The WG don't care if your everyday citizen suffers, the Shichibukai are not there to avoid that (fuck, their crimes are forgiven!), they are there to protect the government, the status quo.
Weevil killed 600 people? And in doing so he got rid of 16 new world pirate crews that were directly under Whitebeard.
Doflamingo was giving illegal weapons for countries to wage war? And in doing so he was keeping those countries from being liberated from the WG by the revolutionaries - 1 week and a half after Akainu ordered his prison, those countries are already being overtaken by Dragon.
Thanks to the Shichibukai status, Buggy can provide mercenaries to his clients, but obviously he won't go against the WG or he could loose his rank. So it's easy to see he will provide help only to those whose interests don't go against the WG, what, again, is a good thing from the WG perspective.Honestly, Teach and Crocodile are the only ones that should be seen by the WG as mistakes. Crocodile was trying to stage a coup in Alabasta and Teach managed to invade Impel Down and free some prisoners (but at the same time allowed Ace, Roger's son, to be captured and killed and killed Whitebeard, the strongest pirate, so, again, the WG probably thinks the pros outweighted the cons back then).
Doflamingo could also enter this list if his connection with Kaido was revealed, but I'm not sure if it was… and, again, his actions helped the WG more than anyone else.Fujitora cares about people, that's why he can see the Shichibukai are something to end. The Marine in general are portrayed as caring protectors of citizens. The WG is not the same, to the government the Shichibukai are vital.
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In Doflamingo's case, I see almost a parallel between his toppling and the toppling of tyrannic regimes in places like the Middle East. Hussein and Qaddafi were brutal in what they did to their people, but they kept their regions in check. But once they were removed from power, it created a vacuum for other groups and individuals to try and gain that power. And sometimes these people can be even more radical. Same thing going on in Syria right now. Neither side is good but who will keep the region in check.
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In Doflamingo's case, I see almost a parallel between his toppling and the toppling of tyrannic regimes in places like the Middle East. Hussein and Qaddafi were brutal in what they did to their people, but they kept their regions in check. But once they were removed from power, it created a vacuum for other groups and individuals to try and gain that power. And sometimes these people can be even more radical. Same thing going on in Syria right now. Neither side is good but who will keep the region in check.
It really makes One Piece really reflect how global politics works.
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I believe people underestimate the benificial effects of the Shichibukai system. Each Shichibukai is a person whose power was aknowledged by the WG (either the person's own power or the one that (s)he could mobilize - Buggy's case). There is a reason why the WG created this system and keeps it going on and there is a reason why it is a power that "keeps a balance".
Having the Shichibukai affects the WG in two ways, first it gives them powerful human weapons to use against the Yonkou (and, more importantly, to not use since the simple fact the group exists is usually enough to keep the Yonkou at bay), secondly it prevents those 7 aknowledged threats from being enemies themselves and joining powers with other pirates. Yes, those 7 have their crimes overlooked, but at the same time they can't openly act against the WG.
Disbanding the Shichibukai not only deprives the WG of one of its main two weapons, but also turns that weapon against them. The WG not only loses a big part of its own offensive and defensive power but also grants that power to its enemies.
So instead of thinking "can Amazon Lilly survive if the Shichibukai are disbanded?" I actually wonder "can the WG survive the disbandment of the Shichibukai?".
Really, can the WG afford having those 7 new enemies? While at the same time saying to the Yonkou "you know the shichibukai that would protect me from you? Don't worry, now the admirals have to fight you AND them at the same time"?
And just imagine if the former Shichibukai get butthurt about being fired and one of them, just one, approaches the others with this "hey, I know we never got along, but we at least worked together for a while and why don't we all join forces to show the WG what they get for looking down on us?"?Seriosuly, disbanding the Shichibukai is suicidal for the WG. But, who knows, maybe that's exactly what Fujitora is aiming for.
Great points. All very evil stuff really.
Marines have always been a driving force of evil in this series, and as an Admiral Fuji must recognize this. I agree with him that evil shouldn't be allowed just so the Celestial Dragons can have control.
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The WG have, seemingly, been steadily moving away from the warlord system for a while now.
The worldwide draft and the huge advances in pacifista technology both point to that.
Heck if they, at some point, can produce kuma-like robots en masse, then the warlords and admirals won't matter.
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From the WG eyes, nothing of that would be seen as reason to disband the Shichibukai, but to tighten their leashes. And most of those are not even going against the government, I believe you are mistaking "World Government" with "World population". The WG don't care if your everyday citizen suffers, the Shichibukai are not there to avoid that (fuck, their crimes are forgiven!), they are there to protect the government, the status quo.
Weevil killed 600 people? And in doing so he got rid of 16 new world pirate crews that were directly under Whitebeard.
Doflamingo was giving illegal weapons for countries to wage war? And in doing so he was keeping those countries from being liberated from the WG by the revolutionaries - 1 week and a half after Akainu ordered his prison, those countries are already being overtaken by Dragon.
Thanks to the Shichibukai status, Buggy can provide mercenaries to his clients, but obviously he won't go against the WG or he could loose his rank. So it's easy to see he will provide help only to those whose interests don't go against the WG, what, again, is a good thing from the WG perspective.Honestly, Teach and Crocodile are the only ones that should be seen by the WG as mistakes. Crocodile was trying to stage a coup in Alabasta and Teach managed to invade Impel Down and free some prisoners (but at the same time allowed Ace, Roger's son, to be captured and killed and killed Whitebeard, the strongest pirate, so, again, the WG probably thinks the pros outweighted the cons back then).
Doflamingo could also enter this list if his connection with Kaido was revealed, but I'm not sure if it was… and, again, his actions helped the WG more than anyone else.Fujitora cares about people, that's why he can see the Shichibukai are something to end. The Marine in general are portrayed as caring protectors of citizens. The WG is not the same, to the government the Shichibukai are vital.
I agree 100% with everything you said regarding the shichibukai just a question for you though, do you think the WG + The Shichibukai are enough to go head to head with the Yonkous ? We've seen what whitebeard and his fleet did alone (Even though I doubt the Yonkous will all see eye to eye)
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I agree 100% with everything you said regarding the shichibukai just a question for you though, do you think the WG + The Shichibukai are enough to go head to head with the Yonkous ? We've seen what whitebeard and his fleet did alone (Even though I doubt the Yonkous will all see eye to eye)
As long as the WG can count with the Shichibukai and the Marines, I believe they are safe from any Yonkou. At least as long as the Yonkou act individually… if they allied and attacked together things would be completely different, but the Yonkou are enemies, they are competing against each other, so regularly the possibility of them forming alliances isn't there.
But as some brought up, an army of Pacifistas is being created, the Cipher Pol also was strengthened according to Dragon, they also have monsters like Magellan who are not even part of those groups... who knows how much power the WG have on its own right now?
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Yeah who cares if whole countries like Alabasta, Dressrosa, Sakura Kingdom and more like Elizabello's and generall friends of friends of those countries come to Reverie and say to the WG "F*CK YOU! We suffer because of you we will go and make some new party as we are" and more and more countries will go with them along with countries that are under Dragon's protection
The Shichibukai is a BIG mistake and a thorn on WG's side
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I agree 100% with everything you said regarding the shichibukai just a question for you though, do you think the WG + The Shichibukai are enough to go head to head with the Yonkous ? We've seen what whitebeard and his fleet did alone (Even though I doubt the Yonkous will all see eye to eye)
I think that we might be seriously underestimating the power of the WG.
I think that, if they really had to, they could summon at least 30 top tier fighters.
I know it sounds too much, but bear with me for the moment.
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First we have 5 Gorosei.
We know that they are higher authority than Fleet Admirals, which are higher than Admiral, which are higher than Vice Admirals.
Does that prove how they are stronger than admirals, no it does not, but we know that Vice admirals are stronger than almost all Rear Admirals, Admirals are stronger than almost all Vice admirals and even who will get a position of the fleet admiral was determined by fight between two admirals, after which the stronger one got a job. It logically follows that Gorosei should be stronger than Admirals. This is obviously not proven, but I think the probability is pretty high.Then We have Marines.
I think that in top tier category we could include 1 or 2 strongest vice admirals, 3 admirals, 1 fleet admiral, Garp, Sengoku and Kong.WG land army?
If they exist, and I think that is probable, they could also have 5-6 top tier soldiers. If there's no land army, then who represents WG authorty on the red line, clearly that's not a job for marines.One of best perks of being a part of the WG is that marines protect island countries from pirates, it sounds just fair that countries on red line then get a protections from bandits, wildlings and such. Also how will WG resolve a situation when 2 countries on the red line start a war? Having a land army, directly under the control of the WG seems like a good idea, and if I was a Gorosei, I would certainly try to form one.
But at this point this is still completely hypothetical.Shichibukai
3-4 strongest Shichibukai could also be included here (Mihawk, New Guy, Doflamingo, and maybe Kuma or Boa)Then we have secret organisations (like CP0, CP9…), police forces, Prison wardens, bodyguards for CD, etc.
I think that at least several guys from here are top tier fighters.Armies of 170+ nations under the WG
This category is the one that is neglected the most. We are talking here about millions and millions soldiers. It is statistically improbable that at least 10 soldiers/warriors/kings/heroes/generals… from those nations are not top tier fighters
Money
One more power that WG has is that they are the ones who control the worlds economy (probably), which enables them to hire strongest mercenaries in the world. They could get few more top tiers from here.There also must be plenty of things I missed here.
Overall, I think that WG, if they really had to, could potentially summon up to 40 top tier characters.
The main counterargument for this theory, that I heard of, is "If they are so strong, why don't they wipe out all 4 yonkou?"
Well, why don't they wipe out straw hats? they are certainly strong enough to do so. Why don't US and Somali governments wipe out Somali pirates? It's because pirates are very elusive, if they are confronted with a force greater than themselves, they'll just run away. And it's not like WG doesn't kill yonkous, just 2 years ago, they killed one, but even when they do, someone else just takes their place. (well technically BB killed him, but when the war started he was a shichibukai, so he should have fought for the WG in a first place). Also, Yonkous are keeping the order in the new world, and once they kill one, that produces chaos, just like it was super chaotic when WB died. Guys on the top like to have order and stability below them.
Second, even more important point is that WG needs these top tier guys to be spread around the Earth more or less evenly, so they could control the entire planet. If they summoned all the strong guys into the new world, and then played tag and/or hide and seek with yonkous, imagine what would pirates, revolutionaris and bandits do to the rest of the world.
Anyways, we probably will not see the true power of the WG up until the very end of One Piece, and currently we know way too little about it to make a claim that 4 yonkous could win in a fight against it and take over the whole world.
(When I say top tier I mean slightly below admiral level, admiral level, slightly above admiral level, and above admiral level characters)"
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That's a nice force you assembled.
Oh, Blackbeard just used the quake fruit to sink the island from a mile away, and they are all dead now.
Whitebeard never did it because he was nice, but BB has no such compunctions about nuking a place… with either of his powers. If the giant Marineford trap hadn't had Ace as bait, but WB still felt compelled to go there, (like say, they had executed Ace with no advance notice) it would have very quickly gone very differently.
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That's a nice force you assembled.
Oh, Blackbeard just used the quake fruit to sink the island from a mile away, and they are all dead now.
Whitebeard never did it because he was nice, but BB has no such compunctions about nuking a place… with either of his powers. If the giant Marineford trap hadn't had Ace as bait, but WB still felt compelled to go there, (like say, they had executed Ace with no advance notice) it would have very quickly gone very differently.
The thought of it is scary.
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Gathering a giant marine force of everything you've got into one place is a nice idea… in the very specific situation they had setup, lots of prep time, where there was bait, and WHitebeard had to restrain himself. Trying to do the same thing to a warlord on sea, or on their own home turf? Not going to go nearly as well.
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The WG have, seemingly, been steadily moving away from the warlord system for a while now.
The worldwide draft and the huge advances in pacifista technology both point to that.
Heck if they, at some point, can produce kuma-like robots en masse, then the warlords and admirals won't matter.
Isn't it a rule of shonen that mass produce enemies are shitty? I though it was established with how easily px was dealt with as soon as he became a prototype for better pacifistas.
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I agree 100% with everything you said regarding the shichibukai just a question for you though, do you think the WG + The Shichibukai are enough to go head to head with the Yonkous ? We've seen what whitebeard and his fleet did alone (Even though I doubt the Yonkous will all see eye to eye)
I am always surprise by how well people considered Whitebeard force have done.
The force that would be needed to take on a yonko on their own turf is simply a waste of energy. It would leave the marines in precarious situation on many islands, open a path for swift attack from the revolutionaries and would probably cause quite some casualities. Then at the end of the day it's a freaking that they have to somehow manage and a position that would probly be filled by another rising force.
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Yeah who cares if whole countries like Alabasta, Dressrosa, Sakura Kingdom and more like Elizabello's and general friends of friends of those countries come to Reverie and say to the WG "F*CK YOU! We suffer because of you we will go and make some new party as we are" and more and more countries will go with them along with countries that are under Dragon's protection.
Sakura kingdom had nothing to do with shichibukais. Blackbeard was a no name pirate back then.
The Shichibukai is a BIG mistake and a thorn on WG's side
Mihawk has a great fame. Seems to pass his boredom on pirates(so much he forgot most).
Kuma was helpful in the pacifista program. Great reputation as tyrant. Listen to the orders given to him.
Boa is the head of a island of pirate. Avoid having to deal with such troublesome island. Seems to attack plenty men crew.
Moriah good reputation. Forces crew into retirement.
Jimbei. Help building a better relation with fishmen. Hate pirates(WHitebeards being an exception)
Croc. The rotten one.
Doflamingo. Only there thanks to blackmailing. And would probably be able to buy a pardon either way.
The shichibukai are a good force because they are threathning presence that became lap dog to the government, which help the image. Thanks to Luffy that stability fell apart but the only problematic one they had prior was Crocodile. The rest pretty much did their job even if pursuing their own goals. Better relations with fishman, keeping an island of warriors under control, bradishing the best sowrdsman as their lap dog, a strong volunteer for the pacifista program… add that to their fame and exaction against pirates and they seem like a good deal to me. Not the best, but they do not have much options.
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That's a nice force you assembled.
Oh, Blackbeard just used the quake fruit to sink the island from a mile away, and they are all dead now.
Whitebeard never did it because he was nice, but BB has no such compunctions about nuking a place… with either of his powers. If the giant Marineford trap hadn't had Ace as bait, but WB still felt compelled to go there, (like say, they had executed Ace with no advance notice) it would have very quickly gone very differently.
well if he is there to pick up burgess,he can't nuke the island
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Gathering a giant marine force of everything you've got into one place is a nice idea… in the very specific situation they had setup, lots of prep time, where there was bait, and WHitebeard had to restrain himself. Trying to do the same thing to a warlord on sea, or on their own home turf? Not going to go nearly as well.
Can't Akainu sink the ships in the same way(or Kizaru)? Or can't fuji create an island sized foothold anyway?
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well if he is there to pick up burgess,he can't nuke the island
1)Burgess isn't being held captive, he's secretly on the outskirts.
2)BB is the sort to shake the island apart anyway and just assume his allies will either survive on luck/fate, or it just wasn't meant to be.And I wasn't even referring to that upcoming confrontation, but what BB can do in general. But given the nature of his power, AND his personality, no, assembling a giant army of marines and warlords in one spot is not as practical for dealing with him as it was for Whitebeard.
Can't Akainu sink the ships in the same way(or Kizaru)? Or can't fuji create an island sized foothold anyway?
Nope. Needed a buster call on Ohara, and failed to do more than a small lake's work during the war. Even when all the pirates were in the middle of a shooting gallery with no marines in the crossfire, surrounded by a wall, and an army of pacifistas helping out, all according to plan, none of the admirals did much in the way of ongoing nukes. They could in theory send out a neverending supply of attacks, but in practice have not been shown doing it for more than a quick burst here or there.
Whitebeard, and then Blackbeard, have both been shown to physically shake an entire island apart, causing aftershocks and tidal waves entire islands away.
Sure, its probably just plot armor keeping the admirals from doing that, but… we haven't actually seen them go to that level, so it can't just be assumed that they can.
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I want to see the Straw Hats visit Vegapunks lab and for the mysteries of Kuma to be unraveled.
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I think that we might be seriously underestimating the power of the WG.
I think that, if they really had to, they could summon at least 30 top tier fighters.
I know it sounds too much, but bear with me for the moment.
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First we have 5 Gorosei.
We know that they are higher authority than Fleet Admirals, which are higher than Admiral, which are higher than Vice Admirals.
Does that prove how they are stronger than admirals, no it does not, but we know that Vice admirals are stronger than almost all Rear Admirals, Admirals are stronger than almost all Vice admirals and even who will get a position of the fleet admiral was determined by fight between two admirals, after which the stronger one got a job. It logically follows that Gorosei should be stronger than Admirals. This is obviously not proven, but I think the probability is pretty high.Then We have Marines.
I think that in top tier category we could include 1 or 2 strongest vice admirals, 3 admirals, 1 fleet admiral, Garp, Sengoku and Kong.WG land army?
If they exist, and I think that is probable, they could also have 5-6 top tier soldiers. If there's no land army, then who represents WG authorty on the red line, clearly that's not a job for marines.One of best perks of being a part of the WG is that marines protect island countries from pirates, it sounds just fair that countries on red line then get a protections from bandits, wildlings and such. Also how will WG resolve a situation when 2 countries on the red line start a war? Having a land army, directly under the control of the WG seems like a good idea, and if I was a Gorosei, I would certainly try to form one.
But at this point this is still completely hypothetical.Shichibukai
3-4 strongest Shichibukai could also be included here (Mihawk, New Guy, Doflamingo, and maybe Kuma or Boa)Then we have secret organisations (like CP0, CP9…), police forces, Prison wardens, bodyguards for CD, etc.
I think that at least several guys from here are top tier fighters.Armies of 170+ nations under the WG
This category is the one that is neglected the most. We are talking here about millions and millions soldiers. It is statistically improbable that at least 10 soldiers/warriors/kings/heroes/generals… from those nations are not top tier fighters
Money
One more power that WG has is that they are the ones who control the worlds economy (probably), which enables them to hire strongest mercenaries in the world. They could get few more top tiers from here.There also must be plenty of things I missed here.
Overall, I think that WG, if they really had to, could potentially summon up to 40 top tier characters.
The main counterargument for this theory, that I heard of, is "If they are so strong, why don't they wipe out all 4 yonkou?"
Well, why don't they wipe out straw hats? they are certainly strong enough to do so. Why don't US and Somali governments wipe out Somali pirates? It's because pirates are very elusive, if they are confronted with a force greater than themselves, they'll just run away. And it's not like WG doesn't kill yonkous, just 2 years ago, they killed one, but even when they do, someone else just takes their place. (well technically BB killed him, but when the war started he was a shichibukai, so he should have fought for the WG in a first place). Also, Yonkous are keeping the order in the new world, and once they kill one, that produces chaos, just like it was super chaotic when WB died. Guys on the top like to have order and stability below them.
Second, even more important point is that WG needs these top tier guys to be spread around the Earth more or less evenly, so they could control the entire planet. If they summoned all the strong guys into the new world, and then played tag and/or hide and seek with yonkous, imagine what would pirates, revolutionaris and bandits do to the rest of the world.
Anyways, we probably will not see the true power of the WG up until the very end of One Piece, and currently we know way too little about it to make a claim that 4 yonkous could win in a fight against it and take over the whole world.
(When I say top tier I mean slightly below admiral level, admiral level, slightly above admiral level, and above admiral level characters)"
I actually enjoyed reading that well thought out and put together only thing is I think a majority of them will be knocked out by Kings haki and only the High Top tiers will remain. If there's 30 of them and 50% of them are K.O(just theory) by just a presence of a High Tier I do also think the Gorosei will hold their own same with Kong we haven't even seen him in action yet I'd love to see what he can do. But you did widen my eyes to what the WG can really do.
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As long as the WG can count with the Shichibukai and the Marines, I believe they are safe from any Yonkou. At least as long as the Yonkou act individually… if they allied and attacked together things would be completely different, but the Yonkou are enemies, they are competing against each other, so regularly the possibility of them forming alliances isn't there.
But as some brought up, an army of Pacifistas is being created, the Cipher Pol also was strengthened according to Dragon, they also have monsters like Magellan who are not even part of those groups... who knows how much power the WG have on its own right now?
My thoughts exactly they'll have to build up on the Pacisfistas strength through if there at the same level of pre-timeskip they'll all get one shotted Boa, Luffy , Zoro & Sanji have done so check out Mortein's reply though on how powerful the WG is
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I am always surprise by how well people considered Whitebeard force have done.
The force that would be needed to take on a yonko on their own turf is simply a waste of energy. It would leave the marines in precarious situation on many islands, open a path for swift attack from the revolutionaries and would probably cause quite some casualities. Then at the end of the day it's a freaking that they have to somehow manage and a position that would probly be filled by another rising force.
You don't consider Whitebeards feat impressive ? Right now it looks to me like that's Akainu's plan take on the Yonko on home turf especially since he moved the headquarters to the New World( I'm surprised they haven't been attacked by infamous pirates)
