A theory about BB's powers that makes quite sense.
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Teach in light is like Crocodile in the rain: the environment suppresses their intangibility.
Holy shit, that's why he uses the cover. In absolute darkness Teach can become intangible and then he enters the body and absorbs the traces of the devil fruit. This is it. That's how he does it.
While a reveal like that is clever, there is one potential problem with that. The fact that we see Burgess directly try to kill and take Luffy and Sabo's Devil Fruits in Dressrosa himself despite not having just the Yami Yami Devil Fruit, but any Devil Fruit. I mean, sure, maybe he could have killed them and taken their carcasses all the way to Blackbeard so that he could take their Devil Fruits and give them to his crewmates, but that still doesn't explain how Teach's body can support having two Devil Fruits without dying and feels like too much of a convoluted process. And the fact that Burgess emphasizes that he himself will steal their Devil Fruits especially, along with the odd focus on Burgess using a knife of all things, makes me believe that Devil Fruit stealing is some type of manual technique that is not reliant on having any specific type of Devil Fruit. In which hiding it under a tarp would make sense since you wouldn't want to broadcast a technique that everybody can then utilize for themselves.
But that's still a cleverly thought out theory I had never even considered in relation to Teach's darkness though! Props to… Anonymous lol.
A theory about BB's powers that makes quite sense.
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I was in that thread; those posts were some of the few things that made it bearable amidst all of the complaining-shitposting that was going on.
Did people not know that? I saw it that way since the chapter it came out. I thought it was obvious and everyone saw it that way.
Post TS I just figured they got really good at it and somehow taught the 10 captains how to do it without bb.
Wait, I just assumed that Burgess had a fruit on him and the plan was to kill people and just get their devil fruits. I didn't think they were trying to steal fruits Blackbeard style. That anonymous tarp theory is so convincing that I just completely believe it now, haha.
I think that the DFs have spirits/souls in them, that become a part of the users soul and body.
It could manifest itself in some way, like forming some kind of cells within the body, who are directly connected to the heart or brain.
Because of these manifestations, Vegapunk is also able to "transplant" these cells into objects, so that they can use the ability and the spirit of the DF. The DF spirit/soul becomes the consciousness of the object.
BB might have a unique body physic, so that there is room for more manifestations, who are able to link to his brain/heart, while normal humans would die, because the souls/spirits of the DF would fight over the place to connect to the user.
Burgess might use a knife to extract those manifestations like a surgeon, so that he can absorb (gross!) those cells, who connect to his heart/brain.
Otherwise when an ability user dies, the manifestation dissolves and the spirit/soul travels around like once Brook´s soul did, until it finds a new place to stay. (like a new DF plant)
DFs are the containers holding those spirits until they are eaten and where they start to grow like a parasite.
Doubt any spirits or souls are involved. Seeing how duplication of devil fruits was explained as "genetic splicing and shit". I think the reason devil fruits can be imprinted onto objects is that zoans, the only ones we've seen used on objects so far, contain in them animal behavioral traits. Which probably also explains those ID awakened zoans acting more like animals than men. Perhaps using the ability too much causes animal instincts to take over and the border between human and animal starts fading little by little.
I too actually think actual spirits are involved with Devil Fruits. When Teach was fighting Ace he talked about how the Darkness Fruit chose him and a part of me thinks he was being literal. Of course many of the fruits finding themselves with people that kind match with their personal traits and such is just how Oda likes to do things but I'd like the idea if we got a real story reason for why the guy who enjoys smoking 2 cigars at once ends up with the smoke smoke fruit. Assuming of course Smoker was a big smoker before he got the fruit.
My guess is the fruits do attempt to find their way to a human or animal soul that they'd feel most comfortable with. Things don't always go to plan though, I can't imagine the Quake fruit wanted to end up in Teach.
Once the user takes that first bite the devil's spirit inside tacks on to the consumer's spirit. I know it sounds dumb but I think Teach is more or less possessed by multiple entities, carrying on literally the spirit of someone before him. Potentially 2 other spirits. Teach has great knowledge on fruits themselves by studying the encyclopedia and maybe tried a few experiments which resulted in how he was able to house more than one fruit power in his body.
I'm still going with my idea that Luffy and Zorro actually noticed someone(or some THING!) with Teach after they got their butts beat on Jaya. I'm waiting for that cryptic "not he but they" nonsense to get a real explanation some day.
I suppose Black Beard pulled some kind of voodoo or something or maybe fell into a "curse" by accident and is now making the best of it. I know super natural elements are a no no beyond Devil Fruits but we have seen physical manifestations of spirits in One Piece. Usopp actually saw one and the rest of the crew could hear the same one!
With high Color of Observation, I'd think someone like Fujitora would see Teach as somewhat of an anomaly. Something that guys like Marco have certainly noticed before but obviously have no concrete explanation for.
Then you have Momo who will be a CoO king like Roger and Luffy, he actually "met" Roger. With his age I'd assume he met spirit Roger! I think this too will tie in neatly to whats up with Teach and his multi fruit ways.
Was the real Black Beard into some kind of magic or something? I feel like I read that somewhere. i've been meaning to make a big fun theory about this, complete with all kinds of pretty graphics that the youtubers seem to love.
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯ 
All this talk of DFs inhabiting spirits made me think back to when Jyabura said that DFs detain actual devils that fight for dominance over the body when close to one another which results in the body's destruction. After reading that, I always thought that DFs had something to do with spirits. Any ability user loses their strength because the sea hates them, that's enough proof for me (unless Oda comes up with a scientific explanation later on).
Which goes back to RomanceDawn's post above. Maybe the Dark-Dark Fruit did call out to Teach, saying that it chose him instead of Thatch. Or maybe Teach is a looney head.
The face of a Straw Hat.
I suppose Black Beard pulled some kind of voodoo or something or maybe fell into a "curse" by accident and is now making the best of it. I know super natural elements are a no no beyond Devil Fruits but we have seen physical manifestations of spirits in One Piece. Usopp actually saw one and the rest of the crew could hear the same one!
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Was the real Black Beard into some kind of magic or something? I feel like I read that somewhere. i've been meaning to make a big fun theory about this, complete with all kinds of pretty graphics that the youtubers seem to love.
I would rather go with the yami yami no mi (maybe in connection with the will of d) beeing responsible for his ability to hold more than one devil fruit. Great to see, that we will get an insight on what human souls are in current arc.
@The:
Which goes back to RomanceDawn's post above. Maybe the Dark-Dark Fruit did call out to Teach, saying that it chose him instead of Thatch. Or maybe Teach is a looney head.
Personally, I thinks its less so that the fruit called out to Teach, but more so that Teach was like
"GOD FUCKING DAMNIT!!! I WAITED 25 YEARS ON THIS FUCKING SHIP JUST TO GET THIS ONE FRUIT AND IF THIS OTHER SHIT HEAD GETS IT, WHAT'S WAS THE FUCKING POINT????!!!! THAT FRUIT HAS TO BE MINE OR IT WOULDN'T HAVE SHOWN ITSELF TO ME AFTER ALL THIS TIME!!!"
Or maybe, some soothsayer told Teach that he needed to the darkness fruit to become pirate king or whatever, and because of that prophecy, he was convinced the fruit was his no matter how he got it (which is more in line with what Romancedawn is saying).
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yami yami no mi (maybe in connection with the will of d)
The Will of D has absolutely nothing to do with Teach's ability to consume two fruits. If that were the case, the Gorosei (who likely have been alive since the Void Century) wouldn't have stated Teach is the only dual-devil fruit user ever recorded.
I would rather go with the yami yami no mi (maybe in connection with the will of d) beeing responsible for his ability to hold more than one devil fruit.
The YYnM is most likely responsible for Teach's ability to steal DF powers, but I don't think it has anything to do with him being able to hold multiple abilities.
That's most likely down to his strange body composition that Marco alluded to on Marineford.
Personally, I thinks its less so that the fruit called out to Teach, but more so that Teach was like
"GOD FUCKING DAMNIT!!! I WAITED 25 YEARS ON THIS FUCKING SHIP JUST TO GET THIS ONE FRUIT AND IF THIS OTHER SHIT HEAD GETS IT, WHAT'S WAS THE FUCKING POINT????!!!! THAT FRUIT HAS TO BE MINE OR IT WOULDN'T HAVE SHOWN ITSELF TO ME AFTER ALL THIS TIME!!!"Or maybe, some soothsayer told Teach that he needed to the darkness fruit to become pirate king or whatever, and because of that prophecy, he was convinced the fruit was his no matter how he got it (which is more in line with what Romancedawn is saying).
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The Will of D has absolutely nothing to do with Teach's ability to consume two fruits. If that were the case, the Gorosei (who likely have been alive since the Void Century) wouldn't have stated Teach is the only dual-devil fruit user ever recorded.
I thought more of crucial secret concerning devilfruits BB could knew about thanks to his investigations about the Will of D. - If there were any. I just think that both: secret of df / secret of holding more than one and the will of d. will be connected in the end.
Personally, I thinks its less so that the fruit called out to Teach, but more so that Teach was like
"GOD FUCKING DAMNIT!!! I WAITED 25 YEARS ON THIS FUCKING SHIP JUST TO GET THIS ONE FRUIT AND IF THIS OTHER SHIT HEAD GETS IT, WHAT'S WAS THE FUCKING POINT????!!!! THAT FRUIT HAS TO BE MINE OR IT WOULDN'T HAVE SHOWN ITSELF TO ME AFTER ALL THIS TIME!!!"Or maybe, some soothsayer told Teach that he needed to the darkness fruit to become pirate king or whatever, and because of that prophecy, he was convinced the fruit was his no matter how he got it (which is more in line with what Romancedawn is saying).
There's also the devil fruit encyclopedia he could have been information on it before hand, even when using it on Whitebeard to steal the Gura Gura no mi Shiliew mentioned " that if it fails we all split up " so I think Black Beard wasn't 100 % sure on this himself. Quite a conniving fellow.
I would rather go with the yami yami no mi (maybe in connection with the will of d) beeing responsible for his ability to hold more than one devil fruit. Great to see, that we will get an insight on what human souls are in current arc.
I think the yami yami no mi is responsible too. It has the power to suck things in and it was said that if you eat two devil fruits, your head will explode. I think he uses his darkness power to prevent this. The only problem I see is that the sea and seastone make it impossible to consciously control devil fruit powers, so if it is because of the yami yami no mi then he has an amplified weakness to the sea and seastone now; it will kill him.
I too sometimes wonder if Will of D is related to BB's power,since he is the only known D who doesn't follow it(whatever it may be)!
But nothing yet revealed to support this idea….
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it–always.”
I wonder if Blackbeard's wolverine claws will ever be made relevant again. From how much we've seen of Blackbeard's fighting style relying purely on hand-to-hand and ranged Devil Fruit powers, I can't help but think that Oda drew the claw in the Fishman Island flashback purely for the fact that he didn't plan that far ahead with how Teach would fight when he was starting One Piece while being bound by giving Shank's left eye three scars (to be fair, we didn't see Blackbeard fight all the way until the end of the Water 7 saga). But still, maybe it might show up in his post-timeskip design or something, you never know. It might be useful against Luffy's immunity to blunt attacks, but his Yami Yami already gets that job done.
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I too sometimes wonder if Will of D is related to BB's power,since he is the only known D who doesn't follow it(whatever it may be)!
How can you say that Blackbeard doesn't follow the Will of D if we have zero idea of what the Will of D is?
@Monkey:
How can you say that Blackbeard doesn't follow the Will of D if we have zero idea of what the Will of D is?
Your point is fair enough.
My assumption is based on the characteristic traits of other D's,added to the fact that Whitebeard,who knew about it,denounced Teach before his death.Whitebeard specifically didn't mention about Will of D at that moment,but in his flashback his conversation with Roger started with Roger's own reference(Gol D) and in turns his reference of Teach as a D.Going by the timing of the flashback and Whitebeard's utterence that Teach is not the kind of man Roger hoped for,i don't think it is far fetched to assume that Teach didn't take the 'path' known as Will of D…
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it–always.”
added to the fact that Whitebeard,who knew about it,denounced Teach before his death.Whitebeard
Denouncing someone is worthy of a cause.. is not whatsoever saying they are not pursuing that cause.
Teach is not the kind of man Roger hoped for,i don't think it is far fetched to assume that Teach didn't take the 'path' known as Will of D…
Ok, so we know almost nothing about it. Be we do know it's a WILL, a will isn't a path usually. It's something left behind, and given the ancient history context it's almost definitely apart of? That implies it's some sort of unfulfilled task or goal left behind. Which is something an evil person can still attempt, but in their perverse way.
I don't at all see how it can be a way of life like you suggest.
@Monkey:
Denouncing someone is worthy of a cause.. is not whatsoever saying they are not pursuing that cause.
Ok, so we know almost nothing about it. Be we do know it's a WILL, a will isn't a path usually. It's something left behind, and given the ancient history context it's almost definitely apart of? That implies it's some sort of unfulfilled task or goal left behind. Which is something an evil person can still attempt, but in their perverse way.
I don't at all see how it can be a way of life like you suggest.
If i assume online scanlators got is more or less right,Whitebeard's words gave some crucial hints(without divulging anything).He spoke of 'that bloodline',means they are all related to each other by some linage;if i assume he meant a 'clan' it remains the same.He then talked about responsibility and burden of carrying it,which somehow transferred from one generation to another even when the persons themselves unaware of it(Law may be aware but both Luffy and Ace were fully ignorant of it,yet Whitebeard himself noted that they carry on 'the fire').So i have a reason to believe Will of D manifest itself in the 'path' they walk.By 'path' i don't mean a specific goal,since real life goal of Garp,Dragon and Luffy differ distinctively yet all them carry their own sense of duty and justice.So a path here means more like a way of living,which follows some specific patterns.It is not that i am claiming that there is no particular 'will',there should almost certainly be one;but my point is that the persons who 'inherit' it must have some characteristic similarities.
If i have to point out two characteristic traits of Blackbeard which differ from fellow Ds,it would be his cruelty and selfishness.He is cruel that is apparent,and he doesn't seem to be a person who can put his life on line to save a friend.I fully believe what Whitebeard's really meant was that Teach is not the person who will put the treasure 'One Piece' and whatever historical significance come with it to right use,which means BB doesn't carry the Will of D(it doesn't mean he has no will,his is just different one)…..The timing of the flashback about Will of D is hard to ignore for me.
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it–always.”
If i assume online scanlators got is more or less right,Whitebeard's words gave some crucial hints(without divulging anything).He spoke of 'that bloodline',means they are all related to each other by some linage;if i assume he meant a 'clan' it remains the same.He then talked about responsibility and burden of carrying it,which somehow transferred from one generation to another even when the persons themselves unaware of it(Law may be aware but both Luffy and Ace were fully ignorant of it,yet Whitebeard himself noted that they carry on 'the fire').So i have a reason to believe Will of D manifest itself in the 'path' they walk.
Except you just argued against that conclusion with everything you posted before that? On those pages you're talking about as well the phrasing is unquestionably as I described it, of an inherited burden and quest, NOTHING about a lifestyle, to quote…"shoulder centuries of history". Like those exact words are used to describe what exactly is being done by the inheritors.
By 'path' i don't mean a specific goal,since real life goal of Garp,Dragon and Luffy differ distinctively yet all them carry their own sense of duty and justice.
Here again you argue against yourself.
You say they all have different goals. True.
And then you literally state they also have different senses of duty and justice….while I think trying to say the opposite. And it IS true they have their own senses of duty and justice. None of them are walking the same path and lifestyle lol.So a path here means more like a way of living,which follows some specific patterns.
Yeah, this is not whatsoever referenced by any of the dialogue at all. Including especially the Whitebeard scene you're citing from.
It is not that i am claiming that there is no particular 'will',there should almost certainly be one;
Have you actually read the Whitebeard scene since it first came out? Or are the online translations so poor that they don't make it as obvious as the Viz version that a literal inherited burden is what is being talked about.
but my point is that the persons who 'inherit' it must have some characteristic similarities.
The only characteristic that seems to be shared by the D's, is that of being rabble rousers who don't quite fit in with the status quo, and have natural friction with authority. Which easily covers Blackbeard.
If i have to point out two characteristic traits of Blackbeard which differ from fellow Ds,it would be his cruelty and selfishness.
"Being nice" has never been a suggested D trait.
I fully believe what Whitebeard's really meant was that Teach is not the person who will put the treasure 'One Piece' and whatever historical significance come with it to right use,which means BB doesn't carry the Will of D(it doesn't mean he has no will,his is just different one)…..The timing of the flashback about Will of D is hard to ignore for me.
Being a perversion of a goal, does not exclude one from pursuing it.
Between people not seeing him as the final villain, the interpetation of what Luffy meant about "He's not alone" at Mock Town and things like this, it's amazing how many people misinterpet Blackbeard so much.
Your point is fair enough.
My assumption is based on the characteristic traits of other D's,added to the fact that Whitebeard,who knew about it,denounced Teach before his death.Whitebeard specifically didn't mention about Will of D at that moment,but in his flashback his conversation with Roger started with Roger's own reference(Gol D) and in turns his reference of Teach as a D.Going by the timing of the flashback and Whitebeard's utterence that Teach is not the kind of man Roger hoped for,i don't think it is far fetched to assume that Teach didn't take the 'path' known as Will of D…
I think WB meant for being the man that takes Roger's inherit, that doesn't mean he isn't a D., for example, Jaguar D. Saul, Law, Rogue they were all D.'s but they are different kind of D. …
A we know about Blackbeard differing from most D's is that he didnt smile at his moment of possible death, although that's more nebulous since luffy has gone through a ton of life threatning events and only really smiled at loguetown.
I do think there's a clear idea that blackbeard isnt like other D's
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@Monkey:
Except you just argued against that conclusion with everything you posted before that? On those pages you're talking about as well the phrasing is unquestionably as I described it, of an inherited burden and quest, NOTHING about a lifestyle, to quote…"shoulder centuries of history". Like those exact words are used to describe what exactly is being done by the inheritors.
How to know that a person 'inherited' it?
Here again you argue against yourself.
You say they all have different goals. True.
And then you literally state they also have different senses of duty and justice….while I think trying to say the opposite. And it IS true they have their own senses of duty and justice. None of them are walking the same path and lifestyle lol.
I don't think you got the lines.They may have different sense of justice and duty ,but they DO have a sense of justice and duty.That's the similarity.
Yeah, this is not whatsoever referenced by any of the dialogue at all. Including especially the Whitebeard scene you're citing from.
Whitebeard while said many things, hardly divulged anything.I though we are speculating…..
Have you actually read the Whitebeard scene since it first came out? Or are the online translations so poor that they don't make it as obvious as the Viz version that a literal inherited burden is what is being talked about.
Again how to know they 'inherited' it,what's the sign?Whitebeard may had seen Ace up and close,but how did he know Luffy had Will of D?
The only characteristic that seems to be shared by the D's, is that of being rabble rousers who don't quite fit in with the status quo, and have natural friction with authority. Which easily covers Blackbeard.
Which also include good many pirates.Just because we follow our protagonist and his associates doesn't mean no other person engaging the authority in other parts of OP world relentlessly.How do you think Younkous rose to such position and claimed so much territories?
"Being nice" has never been a suggested D trait.
I don't think i anywhere near suggested the word 'nice'….
Being a perversion of a goal, does not exclude one from pursuing it.
So you assume BB pursuing same goal as Luffy?What Luffy want to be is same as BB?What Luffy said about his dream to Ace and Sabo is same as BB? And most of all how do you know that BB's 'goal' and it's 'persuasion' is same as following Will of D,while Whitebeard hints otherwise?
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it–always.”
@Long:
A we know about Blackbeard differing from most D's is that he didnt smile at his moment of possible death, although that's more nebulous since luffy has gone through a ton of life threatning events and only really smiled at loguetown.
I do think there's a clear idea that blackbeard isnt like other D's
Why would he smile when Whitebeard was trying to kill him ? That doesn't make sense, it would be saying like Luffy should've been smiling when Lucci, Crocodile and others were trying to kill him… Blackbeard knew that attack wasn't going to kill him so he was just nervous about Whitebeard that his ''father'' is really going to try to kill him or not ...
Whitebeard knew because Ace showed him Luffy's wanted poster, which has his full name on it. It went something like: hey pops! Look, look, this is my little brother.
I put the idea forward that the Will of D does not relate to a bloodline, as these can be cut off if you kill them, they don't have children. instead the Will of D is just an inheritance of a name. I also said that Joy Boy was the one to start it, and he was more like the first pirate, he could have come from the Ancient Kingdom, however, I would say he was more like a third party that rose up during the world war between the ancient Kingdom and the united forces that would become the World government.
How to know that a person 'inherited' it?
The goal is obviously tied up into the Ancient History and so also the One Piece quest at the same time, the latter being unquestionable given Roger as the framing device Whitebeard is even talking about in the first place. People on that quest are taking up the burden.
I don't think you got the lines.They may have different sense of justice and duty ,but they DO have a sense of justice and duty.That's the similarity.
Even so that's kind of a bizarre way to describe it, making them sound superheroes and squeaky clean do-gooders. Which isn't even descriptive of Ace or Law at really any point. Even in the Monkey family there's a massive difference between the literal justice and duty of Garp, and the "don't fuck with my friends and people I like" thing of Luffy.
None of this even matters since this has nothing to do with the Will of D (or Roger).
Whitebeard while said many things, hardly divulged anything.I though we are speculating…..
However inconvenient it may be for you, Whitebeard was clearly and unquestionably talking about a will in the sense of something inherited (my point), and NOTHING about a lifestyle (your point). So no auem, we are not on equal speculative footing at all. Which has been my point.
Again how to know they 'inherited' it,what's the sign?
You keep asking this dumb question like it's profound, rather than showing you're missing the point by a mile.
Whitebeard may had seen Ace up and close,but how did he know Luffy had Will of D?
You're inventing phrasing here that fits your argument, but doesn't make any sense at all.
How the hell do you "have" a will if not the person leaving it behind. To inherit a will in this sense has nothing to do with being chosen or literally inheriting it.
It's a left behind unfulfilled thing that other people might also be consciously or unconsciously pushing toward.
Everything Whitebeard was saying about people being worthy of the quest or not, that's a different discussion entirely than the quest itself.Roger wasn't a bad guy, ergo it's pretty obvious why Whitebeard would say something about how Roger wouldn't have wanted/liked Blackbeard to be the one following in his footsteps. And why he would have a good feeling about Luffy as someone following up Roger's quest. It has absolutely nothing to do with "having" a will of D lol.
Which also include good many pirates.
And so does your far vaguer "justice and duty" thing. Which extends WELL outside of the pirate range to boot. So, what the hell is your point here.
Note: This doesn't hurt any argument of mine, because that's not an argument of mine.So you assume BB pursuing same goal as Luffy?
In the general sense of completing the Raftel quest and stumbling onto the ancient history? Absolutely yes.
How is this controversial even.What Luffy want to be is same as BB?
Nope. But he's still following the Raftel quest, and has a crewmate fulfilling the history side of it. Luffy is walking the path unconsciously.
And most of all how do you know that BB's 'goal' and it's 'persuasion' is same as following Will of D,while Whitebeard hints otherwise?
If you still think Whitebeard was hinting otherwise you're not following anything I'm saying at all.
I just want to say that when Whitebeard denounces Teach's worthiness as the inheritor of Roger's Will, he says "You (Teach) are not the one Roger is waiting for."
In other words, Teach is totally capable of carrying out the will of D, just not Roger's interpretation of it.
No reason Teach can't follow the will of D and be a bad guy. He just has his version of it.
BB will be as important as Luffy to fulfill the will of D in the end.
Without him being the antagonist, Luffy wouldn´t take the path he will take and so BB will be a driving force in fulfilling it.
He is not without a reason also a D and his path is important, because it influences other paths.
Each D has a certain part in the grand scheme of it all and while Luffy will be the one fulfilling it as the protagonist, each D had a certain influence on it coming like that.
For example Saul was the one saving Robin, who in the end turned out to be the one person Luffy needs to understand the poneglyphs.
Which means each D is important and without him/her going whatever path they did, the will of D would never come true.
Unrevealed: Loki/Rocks/the man marked by flames/Im-san
Island: Elbaf/Raftel/GodValley
Unresolved: Weevil´s plan/Joy-Boy/Zunisha´s story/Rocks flashback/Void Century/Rioponeglyph/Uranus/the D.clan
DFWind/Metal/Acid/Liquid/Time-Stop
@Don:
BB will be as important as Luffy to fulfill the will of D in the end.
Without him being the antagonist, Luffy wouldn´t take the path he will take and so BB will be a driving force in fulfilling it.
He is not without a reason also a D and his path is important, because it influences other paths.Each D has a certain part in the grand scheme of it all and while Luffy will be the one fulfilling it as the protagonist, each D had a certain influence on it coming like that.
For example Saul was the one saving Robin, who in the end turned out to be the one person Luffy needs to understand the poneglyphs.
Which means each D is important and without him/her going whatever path they did, the will of D would never come true.
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You know, we don't even know what the "will of D" is, yet all of you are claiming to know whether or not someone is following it.
The will of David… The guts to stand up to Goliath aka the celestial dragons/world government. Teach is a coward and thus isn't a true D.
You know, we don't even know what the "will of D" is, yet all of you are claiming to know whether or not someone is following it.
No one is following it right now. I think mainly, the quest of pirate king - conquering the grandline and finding Roger's treasure, the purpose is to find the successor to the will. Pirates were just around doing their business, Roger gave them an objective, and considering he is the only one that got to Raftel, plus he could whoop your ass, gave him the credit of a grand treasure.
So until the crew gets to Raftel and connects the Rio Poneglyph, no one will follow it. Unless, someone does it first. Would Blackbeard have the Voice of All things? That could help him get to Raftel. Blackbeard may be a coward, but he represents freedom too, or should I say Liberation?! Each person with a D. on his name has a quirk to them, that ties them together, when people say the D. is on the move, they are just seeing something shaking the balance of the world in the future. Or at least with Doctorine that is what I understood.
You know, we don't even know what the "will of D" is, yet all of you are claiming to know whether or not someone is following it.
How do you follow a will?
Oh look! Something we can question and refute based off knowing what a will is!
I just can't stop imagining Blackbeard making tremors instead of drums, announcing the arrival of his fleet.
I wouldn't like Black beard to have a backstory flashback.
I like the way he's intriguing and nobody understands why he does what's he's doing. Him having a flashback would ruin that, imo.
I wouldn't like Black beard to have a backstory flashback.
I like the way he's intriguing and nobody understands why he does what's he's doing. Him having a flashback would ruin that, imo.
I respectfully disagree. There are way too many major mysteries to ignore when it comes to him, and having elaboration would only make his character more endearing to know what his endgame goal is rather than just doing everything he does for the lol's. Luffy, who is similar to Teach in personality, ambition, and mysteriousness, didn't need his flashbacks post-Marineford or his major lineage reveals with Garp, Dragon, and sort of Ace/Sabo to be a simple likable character as the protagonist. And we always barely knew anything about him and there are arguably still things we don't know that can still be revealed. But showing them made his characteristics and growth a lot more endearing, along with feeling a lot more intricately connected with the One Piece world.
Blackbeard's made too many major plays with long-term planning that involves literally YEARS of buying time and putting up acts to fool both a Yonko and the World Government to just leave it ambiguous as to what his goals are or just doing it for something as simple as being bored. Not to mention how he knows the whole Devil Fruit stealing trick and has an atypical body that allows him to store two, along with scarring the Yonko and somehow getting away with it despite having no reputation or bounty. Leaving such a major force that seems to defy all of the established preconceptions of this universe unchecked is more likely to harm the story as seemingly lazy writing with no elaboration than benefit it as a cool mysterious factor. We don't need to know everything about him, but some sort of flashback is kind of essential at this point. I don't feel like having a mysterious past we can't be sure of is as integral to his character as, say, The Joker, personally. And even then, we tend to have some idea of the Joker's goals despite not knowing his true origin, which I can't really say for Blackbeard since I doubt he's just going to call it a day when he becomes Pirate King.
I wouldn't like Black beard to have a backstory flashback.
I like the way he's intriguing and nobody understands why he does what's he's doing. Him having a flashback would ruin that, imo.
Whether you like it or not, it will happen. My avatar is proof of that.
And judging from the picture, his motives are likely tied to the king of all sob stories.
Whether you like it or not, it will happen. My avatar is proof of that.
Is my avatar a proof of Tashigi's flashback story soon to be revealed? 
Or is this image foreshadowing Garp's flashback as a kid?
I'm not sure we can conclude a flashback is necessarily going to happen based on one image that was posted in a SBS.
Anyway, the question is not "will it happen?" but rather "would you like it to happen?".
And judging from the picture, his motives are likely tied to the king of all sob stories.
This is exactly what I do not want. 
A sad backstory which explains why he went crazy. Even if there was a reason, I'd appreciate the character even more not knowing what the reason is. Just my point of view.
It's like the Joker; nobody wants to know why he went mad.
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I've read your post Count Mario, and I understand your opinion. I'll answer later. :happy:
Is my avatar a proof of Tashigi's flashback story soon to be revealed?
Or is this image foreshadowing Garp's flashback as a kid?
I'm not sure we can conclude a flashback is necessarily going to happen based on one image that was posted in a SBS.Anyway, the question is not "will it happen?" but rather "would you like it to happen?".
This is exactly what I do not want.
A sad backstory which explains why he went crazy. Even if there was a reason, I'd appreciate the character even more not knowing what the reason is. Just my point of view.
It's like the Joker; nobody wants to know why he went mad.–
I've read your post Count Mario, and I understand your opinion. I'll answer later. :happy:
Eeee thousand of copies sold on the Joker's backstory is a thing. I think it is called The killing Joke, okay I lied, I know it is called that it even has a movie. http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/batman-the-killing-joke-tops-bookstore-sales-28-years-after-original-release
On Blackbeard, there could be many reason for that kid scene: I've heard his double/triple personality driving him crazy. I like to think that he could have the Voice of All things, which could in turn be very traumatizing for a child. When he realized the significance on his D. Name he did not want to accept such a burden. Having a Hody type of reveal would destroy the importance, drive of BB as a character.
I guess am saying: Yes I would like to know his backstory. Also Tashigi is a such a secondary, nay tertiary, naaay, you get my drift in comparison to Blackbeard that we can't really compare your avatars.
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Is my avatar a proof of Tashigi's flashback story soon to be revealed?
Or is this image foreshadowing Garp's flashback as a kid?
I'm not sure we can conclude a flashback is necessarily going to happen based on one image that was posted in a SBS.Anyway, the question is not "will it happen" but rather "would you like it to happen".
This is exactly what I do not want.
A sad backstory which explains why he went crazy. Even if there was a reason, I'd appreciate the character even more not knowing what the reason is. Just my point of view.
It's like the Joker; nobody wants to know why he went mad.–
I've read your post Count Mario, and I understand your opinion. I'll answer later. :happy:
You kind of can, actually. Doffy's SBS image had him looking impoverished with ruined clothes and scrapes. Before we even knew he would get a flashback after so many impressions of him looking fabulous like a noble. And Akainu's looks similar, but more cutthroat thuggish, which definitely seems interesting considering his Absolute Justice dogma against criminals. And Croc looks pretty androgynous, and Oda made sure to hide his face twenty years ago during Chapter 0 while we still saw Doflamingo and Moria at the time. Most of the kid designs like Tashigi's aren't likely to be relevant, but considering how there have been clues to various One Piece mysteries in the SBS (I REALLY doubt that Blackbeard researching history as a hobby is a coincidence), it's not much of a stretch to suggest that some of these drawings are probably indicative of what Oda has planned long-term.
And Joker's backstory in the Killing Joke is said in several other stories to only be one possiblility for his origin. Joker has explicitly acknowledged that he prefers his backstory to be multiple choice.
@Tamiel:
Eeee thousand of copies sold on the Joker's backstory is a thing. I think it is called The killing Joke, okay I lied, I know it is called that it even has a movie. http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/batman-the-killing-joke-tops-bookstore-sales-28-years-after-original-release
I've seen the movie (kind of a "meh" movie, not particularly good, but not that bad either), and Red Hood is not necessarily Joker's backstory. He creates different backstories all the time.
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@Count:
I respectfully disagree. There are way too many major mysteries to ignore when it comes to him, and having elaboration would only make his character more endearing to know what his endgame goal is rather than just doing everything he does for the lol's.
Does he really have a goal other than "live freely, destroy everything, become king of the pirates"? What made me wonder about this is his personality and his multiple allusions to the concept of "destiny" and "luck". Seems like the only thing that truly guides him is "destiny".
I think that out of the "alignment chart" categories, this is the description that matches Black Beard the most:
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"Some men aren't looking for anything logical."
Not that I think Black Beard is the One Piece version of the Joker, by the way.
So does he really have a true, precise goal that would make him more interesting and would need to be developed in the future? If not, then a flashback that would explain his goals won't happen. Following this logic, we may get a flashback in which we are told why Black Beard is crazy and acts in such an unpredictable way, though.
Again, and just like the Joker, I wouldn't like to see this. Real chaotic, psychotic characters don't need a reason! (that's how I perceive things)
@Count:
Luffy, who is similar to Teach in personality, ambition, and mysteriousness, didn't need his flashbacks post-Marineford or his major lineage reveals with Garp, Dragon, and sort of Ace/Sabo to be a simple likable character as the protagonist. And we always barely knew anything about him and there are arguably still things we don't know that can still be revealed. But showing them made his characteristics and growth a lot more endearing, along with feeling a lot more intricately connected with the One Piece world.
Even though I feel Luffy's flashback was made to show his relations with Ace (and thus insist on the pain of losing him) and to introduce Sabo and the rotten lofty environment he lived in more than to develop Luffy's character, I understand what you mean.
What I disagree on is the belief that a flashback would make the character more endearing. It could, in fact, if badly handled, make him less interesting and less realistic in the story he's evolving in, as well as to us readers.
Besides, Black beard doesn't need to be appealing; he's a bad guy. He captured Ace, betrayed White Beard, he even tried capturing Luffy.
He should stay as he is; someone we can't have empathy towards yet that we find intriguing, special. What I like most about him is the mysterious fog surrounding him.
A sad flashback that would justify his evil actions would, I think, ruin it all. Especially if it's pure cliché like "Teach was bullied at a young age. Now he wants to destroy everything and everyone."
@Count:
Blackbeard's made too many major plays with long-term planning that involves literally YEARS of buying time and putting up acts to fool both a Yonko and the World Government to just leave it ambiguous as to what his goals are or just doing it for something as simple as being bored. Not to mention how he knows the whole Devil Fruit stealing trick and has an atypical body that allows him to store two, along with scarring the Yonko and somehow getting away with it despite having no reputation or bounty. Leaving such a major force that seems to defy all of the established preconceptions of this universe unchecked is more likely to harm the story as seemingly lazy writing with no elaboration than benefit it as a cool mysterious factor.
Things like "how does he have two devil fruits?" and "why is his body described as special?" need to be explained, yes, and they surely will.
But his plan to fool White Beard was only due to him wanting Tatch's devil fruit, and fooling the World Government to get a powerful crew and then steal another powerful devil fruit; basically, to gain power. His quest thus far was a quest for power. I think he needs this power to dominate the seas and be (his own definition of a) pirate king.
I'm surprised the World Government isn't taking his case more seriously - he has the the power and the temper to literally destroy the whole world.
I've seen the movie (wasn't that good…), and Red Hood is not necessarily Joker's backstory. He creates different backstories all the time.
Yes he does, as Count mentiones before, however the story presented there is to be taken as the original one, Joker's last shred of humanity even.. It has been stated officially too. Even if I would not account real world things, the story is great, as it tells the story of your everyday man, flipping out, it is real, you can associate it, a bad day. For Joker's character it fits perfectly with his type of crime. Movie wasn't that good? It is adapted from an almost 30 year old story, and it stuck to it well.
Also psycopaths, like it or not, don't just pop up out of thin air. Be it psychological o biological a reason will be there. But I kinda get the feeling you would like newborn Blackbeard biting off his umbilical cord, choking his mother as he laughs it away. That would still put the reason behind his madness in chemical imbalances.
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I wouldn't like Black beard to have a backstory flashback.
I like the way he's intriguing and nobody understands why he does what's he's doing. Him having a flashback would ruin that, imo.
@Count:
Blackbeard's made too many major plays with long-term planning that involves literally YEARS of buying time and putting up acts to fool both a Yonko and the World Government to just leave it ambiguous as to what his goals are or just doing it for something as simple as being bored. Not to mention how he knows the whole Devil Fruit stealing trick and has an atypical body that allows him to store two, along with scarring the Yonko and somehow getting away with it despite having no reputation or bounty. Leaving such a major force that seems to defy all of the established preconceptions of this universe unchecked is more likely to harm the story as seemingly lazy writing with no elaboration than benefit it as a cool mysterious factor. We don't need to know everything about him, but some sort of flashback is kind of essential at this point. I don't feel like having a mysterious past we can't be sure of is as integral to his character as, say, The Joker, personally. And even then, we tend to have some idea of the Joker's goals despite not knowing his true origin, which I can't really say for Blackbeard since I doubt he's just going to call it a day when he becomes Pirate King.
This, couldn´t agree more with it.
BB isn´t an evil figure coming out of nowhere, where his motives have to stay in the shadows to behold is gloomy appearance.
He methodically planned his rise, waiting for his moment while hiding under WB´s presence.
What made him create such a long term goal?
That´s essential to his character and hiding from us readers how the antagonist of our protagonist was able to create a view of the world so vastly contrary to the one Luffy showcases, would reduce his impact on the story.
His experiences that embossed him and the result we now experience on him are necessary to understand his part in the story.
I understand that characters where this isn´t shown can be intriguing, but this just doesn´t suit BB at all.
Maybe some satanic figure or a complete lunatic would be better off without us knowing their background, but i assume even you can agree that this ain´t BB.
Oda wasn´t showing much of the motives of his early villains, because there it was enough that they had trait thing that Luffy despised.
Here it was important to build Luffy´s character further and showing his point of view via his actions against the antagonist, but now with having our protagonist established damn well, Oda will take his time to show us the motives of those people who stand now in Luffy´s way.
Someone like Hodi got the treatment of having no real motives and i wouldn´t say that helped him, even when i think it was a nice touch by Oda to refer to the real life problematic of creating hatred against a race, so that you have a common enemy to blame for each problem to concentrate your inner hatred not towards yourself.
Is my avatar a proof of Tashigi's flashback story soon to be revealed?
Or is this image foreshadowing Garp's flashback as a kid?
I'm not sure we can conclude a flashback is necessarily going to happen based on one image that was posted in a SBS.Anyway, the question is not "will it happen?" but rather "would you like it to happen?".
This is exactly what I do not want.
A sad backstory which explains why he went crazy. Even if there was a reason, I'd appreciate the character even more not knowing what the reason is. Just my point of view.
It's like the Joker; nobody wants to know why he went mad.
Tashigi reading a book about swords is totally in line with her character. Garp's picture implies he was 'raised' the same way Luffy was raised (to be honest, I think he'll get some sort of flashback regardless). Neither of those pictures necessitate an explanation. Blackbeard's is different. It raises some important questions about the character: why is Teach the only character with a horribly morose expression in his kid picture; and also, why did Oda draw the moon in his picture (FYI Oda said early in One Piece's serialization that the moon's phases would somehow play an important role in the plot)? Whether Oda chooses to uses the words of another character (unlikely) or a full blown flashback sequence (given Oda's love of the trope, its very likely) to answer these questions, Oda, as a good storyteller, must answer them.
Also if characters like Law or Kyros or Doflamingo deserve flashback sequences in Oda's eyes, why do you think Oda wouldn't give the most important (and I mean most important) non-Straw hat character a proper flashback, especially when he's as mysterious as Blackbeard is.
I get that you are off put by the implications of a sob story for the likely big bad of the series, but why deny the facts: Oda loves flashbacks and Blackbeard has way too much mysteries surrounding him for a little chat with, say Marco. Put two and two together, and you should realize that a Blackbeard flashback is not only inevitable, but needed for the story to have a proper resolution.
Personally, I don't think you should worry that much about the sob story; while I certainly think Blackbeard will be portrayed far more sympathetic than Doflamingo, Oda will certainly deny any empathy you may feel for him as result of his flashback with a bunch of depraved acts in the present (like he did with Doffy).
@Tamiel:
Yes he does, as Count mentiones before, however the story presented there is to be taken as the original one, Joker's last shred of humanity even..
I don't understand this logic. The Joker creates backstories all the time, yet you say this version is the good one?
@Tamiel:
It has been stated officially too. Even if I would not account real world things, the story is great, as it tells the story of your everyday man, flipping out, it is real, you can associate it, a bad day. For Joker's character it fits perfectly with his type of crime.
Oh I didn't say it was bad. The Killing Joke is a good story. Only, this version is only one of the many that exist.
@Tamiel:
Movie wasn't that good? It is adapted from an almost 30 year old story, and it stuck to it well.
Yes, it is adapted from Alan Moore's great comics; but the movie had a lot of flaws. I edited; I didn't find it bad, but not "good" either. "Kind of meh".
@Tamiel:
Also psycopaths, like it or not, don't just pop up out of thin air. Be it psychological o biological a reason will be there. But I kinda get the feeling you would like newborn Blackbeard biting off his umbilical cord, choking his mother as he laughs it away. That would still put the reason behind his madness in chemical imbalances.
Yes but this is not my point. I'm not saying he "doesn't have a reason" to be a psychopath. I simply said I, as a reader, do not want to see this reason as I don't find it relevant.
I don't care if he was abused as a child, "chocked his mother" or anything.
But again, that's only my opinion.
I don't understand this logic. The Joker creates backstories all the time, yet you say this version is the good one?
Oh I didn't say it was bad. The Killing Joke is a good story. Only, this version is only one of the many that exist.
Yes, it is adapted from Alan Moore's great comics; but the movie had a lot of flaws. I edited; I didn't find it bad, but not "good" either. "Kind of meh".
Yes but this is not my point. I'm not saying he "doesn't have a reason" to be a psychopath. I simply said I, as a reader, do not want to see this reason as I don't find it relevant.
I don't care if he was abused as a child, "chocked his mother" or anything.But again, that's only my opinion.
I'm on a phone, so I won't be editing the post. Sorry if the numbering seems off, I'm replying to your sections like that.
1. Yes Joker creates multiple backstories. However, how many have their own comic? The comic shows this consistent backstory in the killing joke, even if the Joker said: I prefer multiple choice, as a reader, if that were the absolute, then the killing joke would have had many different backstories, however it only showed this one. As a reader I thinknit should be taken as, this story, from all the ones, is probably closest to the truth of Joker's origin than the others.
2. 3. Can you show me where all these different backstories were portrayed? I have been a Batman follower since age 4, and I used to do a lot of research on it, and remember this comic being called: the origin of joker. Also in regards of the movie: I get what youbare saying, I don't care much for adaptations neither.
4. I mean yeah, not trying to undermine your opinion, I am just saying that, Blackbeard not having his reason shown just makes him an incomplete character, because this reason will show how from that point he developed into what he is today. Him getting punched out and in his final moments saying: I just didn't like cats(i am exaggerating) would be completely underwhelming. I don't know, I've lost a bit of love towarda villains that are bad for the sake of being bad, it usually works better if they have a past constructed towards it.
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