^Assuming if Margaret joins, I think searching for them one by one…or something aroudn that pace can give us more character development for the new member of the SHs.
Chapter 519 "The Quality of a King" Discussion
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@Kuso:
^Assuming if Margaret joins, I think searching for them one by one…or something around that pace can give us more character development for the new member of the SHs.
I second this!
16 times over!
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http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/234/17/
Does anybody have the raw for OP chapter 234, page 17. I think this may be a mistranslation on the page. I remember Blackbeard said something randomly about Luffy's chi. Chi is spirit so it's possible that the translator changed it to some thing he was more familar with when it was actually Luffy's haki. It'll also be from the anime ep. 151. This will also be the first time that haki was actually used in the manga.
It would make sense that Blackbeard would know Haki since he was under Whitebeard for a while. It'll also show how great Oda's foreshadowing is. Blackbeard making a offhand comment about Luffy's haki 300 chapters before Oda mentions it again. This also calls into question if Blackbeard can sense Luffy's haki then that means he's a haki user as well. He also has the ambition to be the pirate king as well and seems to be Luffy's true rival. So it's possible he may have haoushouki haki.
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I think it's possible that any of these could happen:
1. Oda will have Luffy meet up with the other SHs back at Shabondy
2. Luffy will find them on islands as he goes back to SA
3. Oda could focus on them all individually and give them all about 5-10 chapters of solo adventures. Also each SH recruits a new crewmate.
4. After the Amazon arc, Luffy leaves with Margaret and they go through 1 more island and end up recruiting another crewmate.
I think any of those could happen. I'm thinking that Oda will probably have Luffy meet up with the others as he heads back. Still I would love any of these.
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Hmm.. maybe Margaret will join but remember that Oda also make us believe that the mermaid (dont remember the name right now) was a candidate for the crew and now look the scenario. I want that mermaid in the crew her face is so funny when she`s shocked. Maybe she will be hiding in the sunny when they return to the ship. What do you believe Margaret or the mermaid?? or boths XD (i wouldnt complain)
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Someone suggested everyone getting back before Luffy and thinking that he recruited some bizarre creature or thing with nobody around to stop him and are shocked when he comes back with an Amazon (Whether it be Marguerite or not) instead.
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I completely forgot about Camie. She could still join once the SHs are done with the Fishman Island arc. Or she could just act as a guide and someone else could join. I don't think we'll get to Fishman Island til mid next year though.
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3. Oda could focus on them all individually and give them all about 5-10 chapters of solo adventures. Also each SH recruits a new crewmate.
NO. It has always been up to Luffy on who he recruits. No one other than him will recruit another nakama.
Edit=> Can I ask something about Haki? How close is it to Rurouni Kenshin's aura that was shown near the end of the Shishio arc?
Here. Read this to the next chapter. Gives you a small glimmer of the kind of aura that Kenshin has. Perhaps Oda took this idea and twisted in his own way. After all, he did work under the author who did this series.
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http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/234/17/
Does anybody have the raw for OP chapter 234, page 17. I think this may be a mistranslation on the page. I remember Blackbeard said something randomly about Luffy's chi. Chi is spirit so it's possible that the translator changed it to some thing he was more familar with when it was actually Luffy's haki. It'll also be from the anime ep. 151. This will also be the first time that haki was actually used in the manga.
It would make sense that Blackbeard would know Haki since he was under Whitebeard for a while. It'll also show how great Oda's foreshadowing is. Blackbeard making a offhand comment about Luffy's haki 300 chapters before Oda mentions it again. This also calls into question if Blackbeard can sense Luffy's haki then that means he's a haki user as well. He also has the ambition to be the pirate king as well and seems to be Luffy's true rival. So it's possible he may have haoushouki haki.
Wow good find man. I just opened up my tankoban for that chapter and sure enough Blackbeard is commenting on Luffy's 'Haki'. Oda is the man
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Edit=> Can I ask something about Haki? How close is it to Rurouni Kenshin's aura that was shown near the end of the Shishio arc?
I thought it was like that when it colud just make ppl faint. That type of ki is like the base form of these other energy/spirit techniques in other manga.
What Kenshin and Shishio did is probably the closest thing to some supernatural in that manga(other than the attacks being close to impossible to pull off).
For the record the same type of ki thing is demonstrated in Samurai Deeper Kyo and it's talked about a bit more in regards to it being killing intenet or resolve, etc. and weaker ppl comment about how they can barely remain conscience around the person emitting it.
Haki in OP has gone the extra mile in to the area of invisible(to ppl who don't have it apparently) abilities like nen in HXH or The Force in Star Wars or soule wave length in Soul Eater amongst other manga.
so yea ummm it's similar but not as close anymore cuz of all the other things haki can do now(making objects stronger due to the fact you can imbue in to different things; weapons & your voice I guess).
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just my thought : when shanks, rayleigh and luffy burst their haki…many weaklings are going to faint..but only luffy's haki that make the victim's mouth foaming...is that make luffy's haki type stronger than theirs???
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I don't think so. I remember Princess Sharlia foaming when she got blasted by Rayleigh. I forget about most of the others at the auction house.
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Wow good find man. I just opened up my tankoban for that chapter and sure enough Blackbeard is commenting on Luffy's 'Haki'. Oda is the man
Just confirming this as well. Exact same kanji
BB comment:
Margaret in 516:
Bit hard to see on the BB line but zoom in and you can tell
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I can make out the 2nd kanji well enough to confirm they're the same. If that's intentional, just another sign of Oda's mastery, using such an innocuous (if important) word and having it later have a whole new level of importance.
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Large Man: Hundred million…
I thought thirty was odd for a kid with such ambition,
but THIS...!!In b4 people looking up all instances of the word ambition going zomg haki :D
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I have a question, was "Haki" quotationed mark when it was referenced during Shanks & Whitebeard's meeting?
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In b4 people looking up all instances of the word ambition going zomg haki :D
I wouldn't go that far, but it's definitely something to look into.
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Most interesting thing about this chapter, was finding out that Boa Handjob, doesn't even know how to wield that particular form of haki properly. Which in turn makes it look like Luffy has good reason not to know how to use his haki while it makes Zoro and Sanji as per most of the GL just look lame.
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Most interesting thing about this chapter, was finding out that Boa Handjob, doesn't even know how to wield that particular form of haki properly. Which in turn makes it look like Luffy has good reason not to know how to use his haki while it makes Zoro and Sanji as per most of the GL just look lame.
Not necessarily.
Two things come to my mind regarding Boa's "King Haki":
1. How many have this particular Haki? Is it a common type among the "super-elites"?
2. How long has it been since Boa first realized she had this Haki? How much has she trained "King Haki", if such an ability can be enhanced by training?Maybe, just maybe, different people have different aptitude to use Haki. Like everyone with a voice can sing, but only few can successully train their voice to become a professional singer. Likewise, Luffy, Zoro etc may not know much about Haki now, but given the knowledge, they might get good at it faster than Boa has.
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@Xai:
Not necessarily.
Two things come to my mind regarding Boa's "King Haki":
1. How many have this particular Haki? Is it a common type among the "super-elites"?
2. How long has it been since Boa first realized she had this Haki? How much has she trained "King Haki", if such an ability can be enhanced by training?Maybe, just maybe, different people have different aptitude to use Haki. Like everyone with a voice can sing, but only few can successully train their voice to become a professional singer. Likewise, Luffy, Zoro etc may not know much about Haki now, but given the knowledge, they might get good at it faster than Boa has.
I counter your post with: Everyone has a voice, but not everyone can sing. That said, some people can learn how to sing, while others are naturally gifted singers.
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Most interesting thing about this chapter, was finding out that Boa Handjob, doesn't even know how to wield that particular form of haki properly. Which in turn makes it look like Luffy has good reason not to know how to use his haki while it makes Zoro and Sanji as per most of the GL just look lame.
There's a debate over that particular translation. Some say she's talking about herself, some say she's talking about Luffy. Personally, I think she's talking about Luffy because it makes more sense that way. She was talking about Luffy in the panel before and continues to in that panel.
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I think this is the part where we turn to stephen.
Hancock: How can he have the same Overlord aspect as me?! This is no ordinary boy! But he has no control over it…
http://www.mangascreener.com/stephen/onepiece/chapter519.txt
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if boa isnt his mother, one thing could be possible: marriage. i mean king haki and king haki => king haki. this would make a big relationship and luffy will get a ship, though luffy will never fall in love for her.
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@Fairy:
if boa isnt his mother, one thing could be possible: marriage. i mean king haki and king haki => king haki. this would make a big relationship and luffy will get a ship, though luffy will never fall in love for her.
king+king sounds gay to me.
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let the fan(girl?) dream
i foresee much futa in hancock's future
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Most interesting thing about this chapter, was finding out that Boa Handjob, doesn't even know how to wield that particular form of haki properly. Which in turn makes it look like Luffy has good reason not to know how to use his haki while it makes Zoro and Sanji as per most of the GL just look lame.
I'm pretty sure the part you're talking about is where she says that she hasn't perfected king haki yet.
If you look a few pages ago Ahogie said that was a bad translation and she was referring to Luffy not herself.
So you're mistaken…..
@Aohige_AP:Hancock: Same Haoh-colored Haki as me…!!? What's going on here...
Perhaps he's not just a normal brat....? But he doesn't seem to be able to control it himself yet.This is the whole line. I don't know what translations you guys are reading, but Hancock is referring to LUFFY not being able to control Haki, not herself.
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So I avoided posting over the weekend since everyones brains were fried from all this Haki conversation. Now that it has died down I think we can discuss things again. So:
Boa Handjob doesn't even know how to wield that particular form of Haki properly. Which in turn makes it look like Luffy has good reason not to know how to use his Haki while it makes Zoro and Sanji as per most of the GL just look lame.
Well first off I believe that was a translation mistake, but more importantly I'm personally having trouble understanding your post. Are you saying that because Hancock still hasn't learned control over her own "King" Haki, it is understandable that Luffy doesn't yet know how to control it himself? Furthermore, since it is understandable that Luffy cannot control it himself Sanji, Zoro, and the entire Grand Line is lame? I don't get it. I don't think Haki is as black and white as singing, so I am not sure it should be used as a strict comparison for a learning curve. Obviously Haki isn't something you just stumble upon, pick up, and use. Sure, certain things have shown to just "come out" – like Luffy's burst_, possibly_ Mantra, possibly some stuff Zoro uses – but that isn't the same. Given that, I find it understandable that the ability in general is extremely rare throughout the OP world, and that it is less rare in the Grand Line where every day life is 10x more dangerous.
@Xai:
How many have this particular Haki? Is it a common type among the "super-elites"?
I would say it is rare. Why? Because in this chapter they said it. They emphasized how rare it was and that the only person they knew of with it was theoretically the strongest person on the island and the ruler of the nation: Boa Hancock.
@Xai:
How long has it been since Boa first realized she had this Haki? How much has she trained "King Haki", if such an ability can be enhanced by training? Maybe, just maybe, different people have different aptitude to use Haki.
This is something we cannot quite answer until we know more. As I suggested earlier in the thread that if Mantra was in fact a form of Haki, then it sort of implies that different people have different aptitudes with different abilities. It could also suggest that the "different aptitudes" are predefined by ones "color", and that the color is innate. Of course, I am really stretching it with that theory, but it at least has something to go off of. Back to Boa though, I am sure she has known about her Haki as long as anyone on the island has known about theirs, but the question is: how difficult is it to "learn" and "master" Haki?
I counter your post with: Everyone has a voice, but not everyone can sing (well). That said, some people can learn how to sing (well), while others are naturally gifted singers.
Isn't that exactly what he just said? Everyone can sing, but whether or not people want to hear the sound of their singing is debatable. Either way, as I said up above I don't think it is this black and white. Who knows though. I am personally hoping for it to be something similar to "The One Power" from the WoT series: some people are born with the ability, but it will not manifest until they are older, and they still need to learn to control it; some people can learn the ability, despite the fact they were not born with the ability; most people cannot learn or sense the ability at all, even if they try to learn; different people have different natural strengths and different levels of strength despite whether or not is was learned or born in and then learned. Though we assume pretty much everyone on the island can use Haki, it is still possible that only the "warriors" can use it. Unlikely though, I guess.
There's a debate over that particular translation.
It has been resolved though. Pretty sure:
@Two:
Hancock: Same Haoh-colored Haki as me…!!? What's going on here. Perhaps he's not just a normal brat....? But he doesn't seem to be able to control it himself yet.
@Stephen's:
Hancock: How can he have the same Overlord aspect as me?! This is no ordinary boy! But he has no control over it.
Also, Ulrilra and some other translators all changed / corrected their scripts; so I am pretty sure they all match this now.
Edit: Seems Zik and Crossword beat me to it while I was writing up my life's story in this post. I had a few phone calls and things to take care of during the writeup. haha. Oh well.
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@Fairy:
if boa isnt his mother, one thing could be possible: marriage. i mean king haki and king haki => king haki. this would make a big relationship and luffy will get a ship, though luffy will never fall in love for her.
Why would they get married just because they have the same haki type? LOL. She despises Luffy and he isn't that fond of her.
I see Luffy escaping with the 3 amazons that saved him at the most. Maybe Oda will kill the fat one so we all can be like :shocked: and leave with some other ship by luck maybe a marines fleet coming to get Hancock.
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@zik well it could be like a marriage between nobles. nobles engage their children to make profit with money, amazones dont really care about money but about power and haki is power. XD it would just be funny to see luffy's expression^^
besides someone has to make them pregnant XD and luffy is like a superman. ^^
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pirates =/= nobles
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amazone definition of "nobles": someone really strong;
normal definition: someone with a lot of money;
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well, that one flew right over your head
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Are you saying that because Hancock still hasn't learned control over her own "King" Haki, it is understandable that Luffy doesn't yet know how to control it himself? Furthermore, since it is understandable that Luffy cannot control it himself Sanji, Zoro, and the entire Grand Line is lame?
Well what the poster meant was that since even Luffy (the strongest among the trio) has no control over his haki, Zoro and Sanji, who are arguably weaker than Luffy, would also not be able to use haki (if they possess it). That would make Zoro and Sanji, who are already (arguably) weaker than Luffy, seem to be lame compared to rest of GL (what he means is New World, not GL).
I would say it is rare. Why? Because in this chapter they said it. They emphasized how rare it was and that the only person they knew of with it was theoretically the strongest person on the island and the ruler of the nation: Boa Hancock.
I said this before. How rare "One in a million" is, depends on the population of the OP world. Assuming OP world has X million population, then taking "one in a million" literally, it would imply that approximately X number of people have such a haki. Now taking the whole world it would seem very rare, but the New World is a place where only the elite among the powerful can gather. So, it should not be surprising to find a relatively high density of people having such a rare haki. I would not be surprised to find that all 4 Yonkous have King Haki.
But that's taking the phrase on face value. If Oda had intended to let every other character in NW to have king Haki, he would not have hinted at how rare this haki is. So, I believe that while we will indeed see more people having king Haki, that number will be relatively small (like, 4-5)
It could also suggest that the "different aptitudes" are predefined by ones "color", and that the color is innate.
But Haki does seem to depend on one's "ambition". Ambition is not instilled from birth. It's something one develops as life goes on. The stronger the will/dream/ambition, stronger the haki - atleast thats how I am reading this.
Unless, of course, you consider pre-determinism.
Back to Boa though, I am sure she has known about her Haki as long as anyone on the island has known about theirs, but the question is: how difficult is it to "learn" and "master" Haki?
That was my indirect way of asking the same question.
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So I avoided posting over the weekend since everyones brains were fried from all this Haki conversation. Now that it has died down I think we can discuss things again. So:
Well first off I believe that was a translation mistake, but more importantly I'm personally having trouble understanding your post. Are you saying that because Hancock still hasn't learned control over her own "King" Haki, it is understandable that Luffy doesn't yet know how to control it himself? Furthermore, since it is understandable that Luffy cannot control it himself Sanji, Zoro, and the entire Grand Line is lame? I don't get it. I don't think Haki is as black and white as singing, so I am not sure it should be used as a strict comparison for a learning curve. Obviously Haki isn't something you just stumble upon, pick up, and use. Sure, certain things have shown to just "come out" – like Luffy's burst_, possibly_ Mantra, possibly some stuff Zoro uses – but that isn't the same. Given that, I find it understandable that the ability in general is extremely rare throughout the OP world, and that it is less rare in the Grand Line where every day life is 10x more dangerous.
Given it was a translation error my excitement and point are both kinda dead, but i'll explain anyway.
The theory was that if the queen of a people who are dependant on haki can't master her own haki of a type she's shared with luffy, despite knowing about it and having her whole life to practice it, then it makes sense that luffy hasn't mastered his yet.
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The theory was that if the queen of a people who are dependant on haki can't master her own haki of a type she's shared with luffy, despite knowing about it and having her whole life to practice it, then it makes sense that luffy hasn't mastered his yet.
Forget Boa. Given that Luffy only hears about haki for the first time only a few hours (cannot be more than a few hours since the "kidnapping") ago, its evident that Luffy does not even have a grasp of what Haki is, leave alone mastering it.
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@Xai:
But that's taking the phrase on face value. If Oda had intended to let every other character in NW to have king Haki, he would not have hinted at how rare this haki is. So, I believe that while we will indeed see more people having king Haki, that number will be relatively small.
I agree that it should not be taken literally. I think Oda was simply letting us know how rare it was, and that Luffy is special. In fact, I find it more likely that we will not see more people with it. Maybe one person, but any more than that and it wouldn't seem so rare anymore. Could happen though, I just don't think it will.
@Xai:
But Haki does seem to depend on one's "ambition". Ambition is not instilled from birth. It's something one develops as life goes on. The stronger the will/dream/ambition, stronger the Haki - at least that's how I am reading this.
Well my point was dependent upon the possibility of Mantra being some form or utilization of Haki. If that is so, then Aisa blows the whole "dependent on ambition" thing out of the water since she was born with the ability. Since Mantra and Haki (Sandersonia's) are so incredibly similar, I see it as a pretty decent possibility (see my pro's and con's earlier in the thread) that they are one and the same. Again, if it is so then I would simply suggest that your "Ambitions" are fuel to the fire in that they make your ability stronger. <– Like what you said in the last sentence. That is not to say you cannot use it without real "Ambitions". I mean what happens if you fulfill your ambitions? You can no longer use Haki? What about Hancock? She seems to already have everything she wants, and is pretty lazy and spoiled now. The whole "Haou" Haki even suggests that it is not acquired since it wouldn't be rare if you could earn "Haou" Haki with the right goals and dreams. As I have said before Luffy isn't the only person who wants to find One Piece and become the Pirate King: Kidd, Whitebeard, and Blackbeard. Zoro also has an incredible dream: World's Greatest Swordsman. I think it is more likely that your ambitions only make your ability stronger, that the ability itself is learned, and that the stronger areas – like Sandersonia's mantra-hax -- or "color" are innate. Thus why they named it "Haki", since your ambition makes you stronger. Once again though, I could very likely be completely wrong.
The theory was that if the queen of a people who are dependent on Haki can't master her own Haki of a type she's shared with Luffy, despite knowing about it and having her whole life to practice it, then it makes sense that Luffy hasn't mastered his yet.
Ah. Well. I thought so. I agree then.
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@Xai:
Forget Boa. Given that Luffy only hears about haki for the first time only a few hours (cannot be more than a few hours since the "kidnapping") ago, its evident that Luffy does not even have a grasp of what Haki is, leave alone mastering it.
He flew through the air for 3 days (or at least 1). Of course this is ignoring the very large possibility that Luffy didn't even hear/remember what Hachi said or that Luffy is being Luffy
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Well my point was dependent upon the possibility of Mantra being some form or utilization of Haki. If that is so, then Aisa blows the whole "dependent on ambition" thing out of the water since she was born with the ability. Since Mantra and Haki (Sandersonia's) are so incredibly similar, I see it as a pretty decent possibility (see my pro's and con's earlier in the thread) that they are one and the same. Again, if it is so then I would simply suggest that your "Ambitions" are fuel to the fire in that they make your ability stronger. <– Like what you said in the last sentence. That is not to say you cannot use it without real "Ambitions". I mean what happens if you fulfill your ambitions? You can no longer use Haki? What about Hancock? She seems to already have everything she wants, and is pretty lazy and spoiled now. The whole "Haou" Haki even suggests that it is not acquired since it wouldn't be rare if you could earn "Haou" Haki with the right goals and dreams. As I have said before Luffy isn't the only person who wants to find One Piece and become the Pirate King: Kidd, Whitebeard, and Blackbeard. Zoro also has an incredible dream: World's Greatest Swordsman. I think it is more likely that your ambitions only make your ability stronger, that the ability itself is learned, and that the stronger areas – like Sandersonia's mantra-hax -- or "color" are innate. Thus why they named it "Haki", since your ambition makes you stronger. Once again though, I could very likely be completely wrong.
Yes. The Aisa part makes sense. This brings Haki closer to the Force of Star Wars - one (but not all) is born with it, but needs training to master, but the potential is almost preordained.
And, yes, that ambition getting fulfilled part had popped up in my mind once. I just swept it away at that point thinking Luffy (when he becomes PK) would just find some new adventure to go on. Maybe, its like cycling - you never forget it once you have learned it.
About multiple persons having the same goal - well, their goal might be the same, but their confidencein themselves, and their determination might vary. Kidd would have very well run away from PX-Kuma if he had the chance. Maybe Luffy's just too dumb to gauge his enemy's strength off the bat. Or, maybe its because he simply doesn't know who the powerful ones are.
On a side-note, I find it interesting that you mentioned Kidd, WB and BB, but not Shanks.
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@Xai:
Yes. The Aisa part makes sense. This brings Haki closer to the Force of Star Wars - one (but not all) is born with it, but needs training to master, but the potential is almost preordained.
While I don't like comparing, I compared it myself to WoT in my other post. So yeah, similar stuff. Who knows where Oda is going with this though. Just as this chapter totally opened new doors the next few could do the same. Interestingly enough my view of Haki hasn't really changed ever since Rayleigh fought Kizaru.
@Xai:
About multiple persons having the same goal - well, their goal might be the same, but their confidence in themselves, and their determination might vary. Kidd would have very well run away from PX-Kuma if he had the chance. Maybe Luffy's just too dumb to gauge his enemy's strength off the bat. Or, maybe its because he simply doesn't know who the powerful ones are.
Well I would wager that Blackbeard and Whitebeard are very confident in themselves. As for Kidd, we know he encountered the PX-Kuma and from what we can gather he did fight against it without showing any signs of retreat. When Law arrived Kidd didn't exactly look like he was waiting for a chance to book it out of there. I should read that again though, since I haven't since it came out.
@Xai:
On a side-note, I find it interesting that you mentioned Kidd, WB and BB, but not Shanks.
Well Shanks has made it clear that he has bet everything on Luffy. He even got all giddy when he told Rayleigh about Luffy. His ambitions are definitely not to be the Pirate King himself, and I would doubt that he desires 'One Piece'. That is why I left him out.
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As for Kidd, we know he encountered the PX-Kuma and from what we can gather he did fight against it without showing any signs of retreat. When Law arrived Kidd didn't exactly look like he was waiting for a chance to book it out of there. I should read that again though, since I haven't since it came out.
He wasn't too happy about it though. Understandable. Given an option all the Supernovas would have just avoided a fight, especially with Kizaru.
Well Shanks has made it clear that he has bet everything on Luffy. He even got all giddy when he told Rayleigh about Luffy. His ambitions are definitely not to be the Pirate King himself, and I would doubt that he desires 'One Piece'. That is why I left him out.
We are so on the same page on that.
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Isn't that exactly what he just said? Everyone can sing, but whether or not people want to hear the sound of their singing is debatable. Either way, as I said up above I don't think it is this black and white. Who knows though. I am personally hoping for it to be something similar to "The One Power" from the WoT series: some people are born with the ability, but it will not manifest until they are older, and they still need to learn to control it; some people can learn the ability, despite the fact they were not born with the ability; most people cannot learn or sense the ability at all, even if they try to learn; different people have different natural strengths and different levels of strength despite whether or not is was learned or born in and then learned. Though we assume pretty much everyone on the island can use Haki, it is still possible that only the "warriors" can use it. Unlikely though, I guess.
You're missing the point. Not everyone can sing, i know that the current trend of this pop idol/x-factor fuelled world dictates that everyone has the ability within them but it's untrue. fuck, half the people donning our charts can't even sing and yet the radio dj's push them.
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Considering how most of the people on the charts are rappers. Which are just reading line for line while saying it fast.
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@Kuso:
Considering how most of the people on the charts are rappers. Which are just reading line for line while saying it fast.
Are you downplaying the skill it takes to rap? Furthermore, the rappers on the charts can be compared to the talentless hacks that make money "singing" on those same charts…..
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Comparing Rap, Pop, Jazz, Rock is like comparing football, tennis, cricket, volleyball.
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@Xai:
Comparing Rap, Pop, Jazz, Rock is like comparing football, tennis, cricket, volleyball.
Given your location, are you referring to Soccer (Football) and Baseball (Cricket)? Wait, why am I even asking this….........?
Response to sabret00the (off-topic):[hide]@sabret00the:
You're missing the point. Not everyone can sing.
No. I got that point. I was saying that everyone can "sing", but it is debatable as to whether or not they can sing well and anyone wants to hear them. Anyone can play a song and sing along with it, so therefore anyone can sing. In this case, it would not be a good example of learning curve for Haki. (IMO – based on speculation) There is no indication that everyone can simply use Haki. Whereas everyone can simply sing. You might be able to train and learn both items, and be horrible or amazing at either; might also be naturally talented with either item, but with training you can more effectively utilize either. However, you cannot simply just do either.
Long story short, I was wasting my breath pointing this out in the first place as it has absolutely nothing to do with the argument and surely did not mean to be speculated like this. I was just being anal and should have shut up rather than dive into it. Anyways…yeah.[/hide]