How come no one is giving Oda a hand clap for his fast and wonderful pacing of this arc?
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Are you serious? Just a couple chapters ago, you were saying the exact opposite. You're the biggest hypocrite ever, Phenom.
@Fire Fist:
Are you serious? Just a couple chapters ago, you were saying the exact opposite. You're the biggest hypocrite ever, Phenom.
Show me where I said this a "couple of chapters ago" Fist?
Or is this just another one of your stupid theories.
i just see a major chance for Zoro to have some serious mental and emotional development which i've believed was coming for a long time now
and ur telling me he should go sleep the dame n pain away
i don't get why he needs to fight for said development?
My only point is that Zoro doesn't HAVE to fight in the Fishman Island arc. It wouldn't hurt the story in any way.
That is not so much directed at you as it is everyone who's suggesting "skipping."
He doesn't have to skip an entire arc either. Even when Sanji "skipped Skypiea" he got an entire mini plot relating to saving Nami, and major focus in the Satori battle. In fact, his early disposal was probably so he'd be available for that rescue later.
No one has to or needs to be "skipped." It's bad storytelling to think that one character can completely be removed from the story for one arc and that'll make it "good." The people who are saying this just want more time for their favorite characters, and that's pitiful and selfish.
No character has been "skipped" for the past few arcs. And even if they miss a fight, you should be damn sure they'll be doing something important later.
That is not so much directed at you as it is everyone who's suggesting "skipping."
He doesn't have to skip an entire arc either. Even when Sanji "skipped Skypiea" he got an entire mini plot relating to saving Nami, and major focus in the Satori battle. In fact, his early disposal was probably so he'd be available for that rescue later.
No one has to or needs to be "skipped." It's bad storytelling to think that one character can completely be removed from the story for one arc and that'll make it "good." The people who are saying this just want more time for their favorite characters, and that's pitiful and selfish.
No character has been "skipped" for the past few arcs. And even if they miss a fight, you should be damn sure they'll be doing something important later.
My point till now wasn't about skipping him. As i said to Firefist Ace above, he could go and talk/train with the swordsman master on fishman island. My point has and remains to be that he doesn't have to have a major fight on fishman island.
As i interpreted facts, luffy has been carrying his pent up injuries for a while and now zoro's carrying said injuries, in order for zoro to fully recover, he'll need some time to take it easy. no ones talking about "see you in 100 chapters zoro", i'm merely saying (as i said early) it's possible he gets the Sanji-Skypiea treatment.
I don't understand why it's blasphemous that zoro isn't a major focus for arc?
Toward's Oda's great Pacing and to this Fantasmic arc:
Even Bepo agree's ;-}
@Scratchmax:
Toward's Oda's great Pacing and to this Fantasmic arc:
http://www.classact.ca/RubberStamps/TeacherEnglish/TE17B_B_WellDoneBear.jpgEven Bepo agree's ;-}
GOOD JOOOOOB!
Now All together everyone…...
This is becoming kinda funny actually, some fanboys think Zoro is useless for the moment and will "sit out" for the next arc, while Marimo fanboys think the story is all about Zoro, he'll go under ultimate development and return as the new Messiah
I predict it won't be neither. Zoro isn't skipping an arc, but i doubt the next one would be about him. He was the last crewmember to shine (i hate this word) big time, after all.
I usually don't post in this thread but I got to say that was one hell of a chapter.
@Scratchmax:
Something's fishy though.Have you noticed Law's and Kid's 'Pacifista' is the only one that's talked…..me thinks thier up against the real Kuma.
Although with Oda you nether know.
The one against Drake, Hawkings and co talked too so maybe not.
Anyways that was a dope chapter with one helluva ending, the next one should be killer.
The one against Drake, Hawkings and co talked too so maybe not.
Oooop's that it did.Sorry about that.
It noticed Apoo.But who could blame it,If I saw Apoo i'd 'gasp' at his Awesomeness
Anyway, that Pacifista is still standing…....I wonder what'll become of it.............
Show me where I said this a "couple of chapters ago" Fist?
Or is this just another one of your stupid theories.
Yeah, I figured that. Like I said CHAPTERS ago there will be some freakin action. But this forum, full of buttercups, don't want that. Members here like a bunch of pirates holding hands, shopping, eating candy and kissing each other. "Shut up Miracle'Z There'Z will be'z no Fightsinz in here'z cuzz this is One Piese and were dealingz wit Oda'z here.."Oh yeah, that's what a pirate crew is all about.
This is just one example of it.
You were whining a lot at the beginning of this arc. So no, it's not one of my theories, it's a fact.
Well, great chapter indeed. Sentomarou is just awsome, but he remindes me of Paloo, which is not awesome! Shabondy-Arc has already the highest density of awesome characters.
The final Text says "The players ae all gathered". Still, we dont know about Kidd, Law, Capone, this age-age girly (cant remember her name) and Killer, as those are the remaining SN. I cannot believe Kidd and Law lost, as they were introduced as ability users with a geat potential to beat PX-2 or -3. I dont believe the real Kuma to be in here. They could join the big battle, even if I dont think any of the SN would join this fight for any reason.
@Fire Fist:
This is just one example of it.
You were whining a lot at the beginning of this arc. So no, it's not one of my theories, it's a fact.
Congratulations you just found one of my post telling Arlong Park there will be action [And there was] in this arc.
Not too mention that post isn't what I asked for.
Wait if Rayleigh fights Kizaru will he then make a run for it? Someone has to coat the ship so I guess there will be no Rayleigh vs Kizaru fight.
Take it to P.M., folks.
This thread is for discussing the latest chapter, not for comparing macro-peens.
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That was one of the few chapters that gave me goosebumps.
As for arguing about the tiers, it's not outright stated but it is so heavily hinted at in the manga that it's foolish to argue over the power of Luffy, Sanji and Zoro in relation to each other. The rest of the crew can be debatable depending on the fight but it's clear that Ussop and Nami are the lower echelon of strength.
I wonder if one of Perona's Negative Hollows could take down Usopp now, or if this is merely the kind of courage that is born of desperation. Granted, he's still scared, but not scared witless- the Super Smoke Star was a good attempt at distraction, though it seems to have failed for the most part.
Moving on to the Great Zoro Debate: Brooke has already said he's going to try to fill in for Zoro's swordsman duties, and frankly I'd like to see him do so. At the very least, he would have the opportunity to drop some more clues about his past, and show off some more fencing techniques. The Hypno-Violin is fun, and certainly useful, but I want more Arrow-Notch Strike, please. As for Flan, I've had my limit for today-too much custard makes me queasy.
Considering the kind of speed Raleigh displayed at the Human Auction House, it isn't really surprising that he deflected Borsalino's kick. Yes, Kizaru has certainly hyped his "kick at the speed of light", but except for his lightspeed pursuit of Apoo, it seems that hyperbole is the extent of it. He just backs up a physical attack with a close range laser blast to send people flying at light speed. The speed he moves his leg at is certainly quick; I suspect his combat abilities aside from his Logia-powers are formidible. Nonetheless, his physical speed has probably met its match in Raleigh.
I'm like Hisotensoku: Not here to preserve peace, nor to destroy it. I certainly can't move mountains. Mostly, I'm just full of hot air.- Meh
I think I might like Kizaru more than Aokiji. Even though he acts a bit goofy, he's one serious motherfucker. Both of them share something in common, though: They both don't seem to be serious, but are the biggest threat when they mean business. Plus, I love how Kizaru's always wearing that goofy grin on his face.
Well, when you're practically invulnerable and invincible at the same time it certainly does reduce occupational hazard.
Well, not much say, this was just a good chapter overall, I don't feel like it was worth a 2 week break, but its not like Oda fling out on us so its cool. For one, most of the big things that happened in this chapter was expected, such as Axe man finally making some serious noise, Yellow Monkey attacking the SH crew, and last but not least, Dark King stepping in to save the SH crew's sorry a$$, and finally getting down with Yellow. Zoro still whining over his cup cake a$$ being, raped by Kuma is really nothing new, its just another repeat of him being wounded back in East Blue during AP Arc.
Now that all the expected junk is out of the way, its time for the real fun to being, and Oda please…. don't slow this train down.
@Fire Fist:
Raleigh wouldn't be that cheap.
I never get that part…having seastone equipment being cheap...
These guys are logias thats cheap...if I had seastone whatever I would still got my ass kicked to the ground the only diffrence is that in that case someone actually has a chance to do smth to someone without meeting a certain criteria to beat logia like if you dont have luffy in your crew and are the best fighter in the world you still lose to logia such as lightning type, cause you cant touch him. Then only one seastone so you can actually make contacts and that makes you cheap lol funny as hell for me anyway...
I hope Ray does have seastone even though unlikely but just so I see how ppl will react would be interesting to see the responces...
And naturally what exactly is cheap in love and war...
Gass from mr. Krieg, octopus having 8 swords...someone being logia... XYZ being a female fighting Sanji...every cactus or whatever out there has its own weaknesses and using it to your advantage only makes you smart...
Thats my opinion anyway
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Why does he sign it? Technically, isn't that what a signature is for. I'm just saying….
I think next chapter will start out with Law and Kidd vs. Pacifista, then move back to Rayleigh + SH vs Kizaru, Sentoumaru, Pacifista.
I think next chapter will start out with Law and Kidd vs. Pacifista, then move back to Rayleigh + SH vs Kizaru, Sentoumaru, Pacifista.
that would be stupid one Kid vs Kuma bot = Kid using his fruit and absorbing it or w.e. he does. I want to see the SHP fight i could give two shits bout kid or or Law rite now.
I think it Is clear that Rayleigh can defeat Kizaru. He is not using seastone or aura as some speculate. He is the dark lord because he can diffuse light. His fruit is the direct counter to kizaru's . We know it wasn't seastone because he did not stop kizarus attack, he deflected it. It is like luffy Vw eneru. He can hit kizaru and touch him physically and his fruit makes kizarus worthless, at least conventionally.
If it was seastone the explosion would not have still happened but it's clear he kicks kizarus leg as kizaru launched his attack so the attack hit to the side instead of hitting zoro.
hope rayleigh's bounty will be revealed soon!
It's just a thought. Honestly, it's a whole lot more boring than seeing the Strawhats getting out of their mess (geez, fighting 2 Pacifista in a row + the body guard of Vegapunk + an admiral, they have it the hardest).
Sentoumaru. I kind of like that Sentoumaru is Kintarou, but only at first. Seeing him more than once destroyed whatever flair he had. His power isn't that exciting. It's just strength + ki.
I guess being bored is what happens when you read a chapter 10 times.
but the pacing and artwork is good.
I wanted the Strawhats to beat Kizaru on their own to show how strong they are, but they're really exhausted, so it's inevitable Rayleigh has to fight. I hope Rayleigh shows how to use spirit power to fight a logia master.
@Salamander:
hope rayleigh's bounty will be revealed soon!
doubtful nor does it matter considering how a lot of the stronger ppl in OP bounties haven't be revealed
I'd prefer to have the bounties revealed later. I think Rayleigh's bounty is just so absurdly high it makes the SN look cute.
Rayliegh's kick reminds me of the way Shanks fights in Grand Battle. Plus Shanks has an aura attack in Grand Battle as well(O ,X).Did Oda tell them to put that in O.o? Foreshadowing is a bitch. I don't think Rayliegh has a fruit.
Hmm… Kizaru wasn't trying to stomp Zoro, but blast him with a leg beam. He didn't have to be tangible, and he wasn't, but Rayleigh really did kick his leg. It is using ki but it's not directly haki. It's definitely the key to beating up logias (those who overly rely on their DF powers anyway).
Man, that was an awesome chapter! Kizaru vs Rayleigh looks good…
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Is it just me or is this the first time we see Chopper without his hat on his head. o.O
"ughh!! There is something weird about this guy's move.."
I can see(hope) a haki/punch combination there. Sentoumarou, Kizaru and Ray. See and learn Mugiwaras.
Is it just me or is this the first time we see Chopper without his hat on his head. o.O
I think it is the second time we see it.
to be honest, i can't wait to see when luffy finds out zoro almost died when he sacrificed himself for the crew. what will his reaction be?
I think it is the second time we see it.
As best I remember, it's the third:
This is however only the second time that we've seen his antlers jump with his hat. When Zoro was scrubbing his back in the bath, his antlers were still connected to his head.
to be honest, i can't wait to see when luffy finds out zoro almost died when he sacrificed himself for the crew. what will his reaction be?
And I'm wondering how poor Usopp will feel when he realizes that by jumping on Zoro's back and demanding to be saved, he was probably draining Zoro of every last bit of strength and energy.
Another thing I'm wondering is where exactly Kizaru hit Zoro. In some of the scans, it looks as though it might have been a spear-like beam (like the one that got Hawkins) that pierced just below his left shoulder and went though to the other side. On page 16, there are two frames where there appears to be a pool of blood on his shirt and on the ground near that spot – but on 17-19, it looks as though the wound has migrated to the right side! Of course, scan quality could be an issue here, but if anyone can get a good look at the raws, can they solve the mystery of the migrating wound?
Of course, there's always the possibility that Kizaru wounded him in two places. But one wounded shoulder or shoulder-blade would make life Hell for any swordsman. But two wounded shoulders or shoulderblades ....
.... eeeeeeeeevil.
No, you're right, it moves
who cares though
No, you're right, it moves
who cares though
well, if it's just an error and he's only got one wound, then he can still swing a sword with his good arm, but if he's got wounds under both shoulders, then he wont be swinging any swords for a few weeks. Kind of important. – especially with so many admirals, pacifistas, bounty hunters, supernovas, nobles and whatnot milling around the island.
But maybe all they need to do is to escape to the "lawless" parts of the archipelago. Didn't Hachi say that there are places on the archipelago that Marines never enter? If they found one of those places, they wouldn't have to worry about Marines. It would just be a matter of avoiding bounty hunters, supernovas, nobles and whatnot.
hmm. maybe not optimal, but at least better than the current situation.
Going back to the Zoro not doing Fishman Island with the crew thing
! and the Ocean spoiler How cool would it be when they confront their first enemy in the new world and he's like "we heard you left the crew Roronoa Zoro" and he's like "your defeat will have to tell this new world otherwise".
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man I really hate where Kaz goes "I'm a logia user", when I saw that in the spoiler I was thinking this has to be fake because who says that. I mean if he said just light man I can understand but to specify just sounded weird. But i guess it had to be said to put aside the last of the doubters but still just sounds weird.
Going back to the Zoro not doing Fishman Island with the crew thing
! and the Ocean spoiler How cool would it be when they confront their first enemy in the new world and he's like "we heard you left the crew Roronoa Zoro" and he's like "your defeat will have to tell this new world otherwise".
Something like that. Only:
! Not leaving the crew, just leaving the action temporarily.
! But yeah, this does seem like the moment where the prediction about "Luffy's Right Arm" will come true. Luffy will temporarily lose Zoro, his "right arm man" due to injury. Luffy won't lose an actual arm. If anything, Zoro is the one who will lose the use of an arm – but only temporarily).
! Hachi is also wounded, so maybe he'll suggest some safe place in Fishman Island where they can recuperate while the rest of the crew goes exploring. That frees the spotlight for Nami and Sanji.
man, that sentomaru design is so lame' his looks like dora
maybe oda san did this because we hate sentomaru
and pika pika no mi???
its so….. pikachoish!!!
Here's the raw of zoro's left shoulder on page 17
and the zoro "leaving" or whatever variation you wanna spin it was fake guys
What happens when Kizaru sneezes while explaining his fruit? He'd say "I ate the pika pikachu!"
Here's the raw of zoro's left shoulder on page 17
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/527/zoroil1.jpg
Thanks. Yep. looks mighty bloodless from here.
Can I trouble you to post the raws from 16: specifically the bottom left where we see him from above and the top left where we see him head-on – those are the two pictures that seem to make the biggest case for the wound being on the left (in the scanlation done by Franky House) -- but maybe it's not that way in the raws. Maybe it's his bandanna instead of blood?
(oh, hey, that reminds me -- thanks to our scan and trans providers!)
"ughh!! There is something weird about this guy's move.."
I can see(hope) a haki/punch combination there. Sentoumarou, Kizaru and Ray. See and learn Mugiwaras.
And the way some panels focus on Sentomaru's eye before he makes a move reminds me of Raileigh before he uses "Spirit" burst. So, he might be a man capable of using "Spirits"… but it is still a big "Maybe".
I have a theory that this "Spirits" is related to the "Voice of all things" Raileigh had talked about (vaguely and unexplained). Much like StarWar's "Force". Peace
