Yeah, in terms of writing, Buronson's one of the best.
Greatest manga author….
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Ken Akamatsu.
16 harems
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Oda.While ive seen such series as 666 Satan (my number 2 favourite),Hunter X Hunter and Fairy Tale,I have to say Oda beats em all heads down.
And no I am not gonna say "but seriously,Toriyama"-cause this guy,even if he did great fecal humour in Dr. Slump (but which I would not DIE if I left it unread) and a good comedy/fighting mix in Dragonball,completely profaned himself with DBZ.While DBZ's FIRST half is good,after Namek-what do we get?Insane powerups,well designed super strong characters apearing for 20 panels solely to demonstrate someone elses strength, technigues consisting of "Im a glowy allien and in order to beat you-ILL GLOW EVEN MORE!" and shapeles blotches of ink,being energy blasts,that only differ by color in the anime and by the way you throw 'em,anoying power level comparisons,and repeating villians so badasly strong and with the character depth of a sidewalk,that they simply dont come across as real,giving them lame or nonexistent motivations (I wanna BLOW UP THE EARTH!Real nobel prize-worth).
I mean,Cyborg arc was damn good till Cell arived-Cue Freeza v.2.And a ridiculous tournament,making the protagonist die in a wery stupid an ubelieavable way-I mean, would it be SO HARD to teleport BLOATED BOMB CELL into an empty expanse and then whuuush away,rather then bring em into the spirit world (where there was PLENTY of empty room) on to your teachers planet and waste half a minute going "I Didnt know where else to bring him" and get blown up?
Also,unlike Oda,he made death a joke.Nobody who ever died stayed dead,except for Goku's "grandpa"?I mean,sure OP has some ridiculous "last ATTO SECOND SAVING WITHOUT SEVERAL HUNDRED ENEMIES NOTICING AT THE SAME TIME" and such profanities as Pell (and no,I am NOT gonna talk about that,Id waste my mood),but WHEN SOMEBODY DIES-HE STAYS DEAD.What did we get?Even the fat namekian,who died OF OLD AGE got brought back (not to mention he DIED again after ,what 3 minutes?) .And yes,his contributions WERE GREAT,but lost all originality by the SECOND stage of DBZ.I mean,instead of guys like Blue,giant cyborg killer or Tao Pai Pai (who has to be the most neglected villian ever) we get aliens,mutants,magical immortal super powerfull brainles aliens and…...........thats it.After Namek,we never get anything like the gynyiu force ever again.What we got was-NOTHING AT ALL for most of the series and then a weak frog like monster,a devil with a stone sword and-THE END.
Seriously,rather then see OP prolonged and PROFANED AND DILUTED as much as DBZ at its end,id like it to end.But knowing Oda's genious,THATS not gonna happen.
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He couldn't teleport Cell into space because he needed an energy signal to lock on to for Instantaneous Movement.
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Have you seen the spirit world?The wery expanse was so overwleming he couldve easily teleported him THERE from Kaio's planet without wasting time with things like talk.Or he couldve at least teleported BACK through all that time.
But that wasnt EVERYTHING,you know.
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Rumiko Takahashi!
I seriously doubt Oda would still be at Jump if he had a single main villain the whole series and stuffed Luffy with only god knows how many upgrades.
That alone make Rumiko the greatest!
Others fail when re-using ideas, but she doesn't!
I salute you, Rumiko Takahashi!
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I'd probably say Tezuka, simply because he was so prolific and created so many great series.
Araki, he kept up a consistently awesome manga for 20 years, Buronson, again, prolific and one of very few manga-ka who is a fantastic storyteller, Toriyama, for being an innovator in the manga world, and Hagiwara, because I'm a hopeless Bastard!! fan and the guy's just incredible when it comes to design, are all runners up.
Oda's amazing, but I really can't consider him as great as these guys.
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Takahashi's works fall on romanticism geting in the way of basassness.Thats what makes Inuyasha 20% less watchable/readable.
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And no I am not gonna say "but seriously,Toriyama"-cause this guy,even if he did great fecal humour in Dr. Slump (but which I would not DIE if I left it unread) and a good comedy/fighting mix in Dragonball,completely profaned himself with DBZ.
Dragonball Z = Dragonball. There is no difference in the manga.
after Namek-what do we get?Insane powerups,well designed super strong characters apearing for 20 panels solely to demonstrate someone elses strength, technigues consisting of "Im a glowy allien and in order to beat you-ILL GLOW EVEN MORE!" and shapeles blotches of ink,being energy blasts,that only differ by color in the anime and by the way you throw 'em,
Can't argue with that. It DOES lack depth after Namek. One of the many reasons why Namek should have been the end of the series.
anoying power level comparisons,
Erm… the last power level reading EVER was when Trunks killed Freeza.
I mean, would it be SO HARD to teleport BLOATED BOMB CELL into an empty expanse and then whuuush away,rather then bring em into the spirit world (where there was PLENTY of empty room) on to your teachers planet and waste half a minute going "I Didnt know where else to bring him" and get blown up?
Actually, it would be impossible. Goku can't teleport himself to a place without people. The way his Shunkan-idô works is that he locks on to someone's ki, and teleports to wherever that person is. Though, why he didn't just grab Kaio and teleport back to earth immediately afterwards…
Also,unlike Oda,he made death a joke.Nobody who ever died stayed dead,except for Goku's "grandpa"?I mean,sure OP has some ridiculous "last ATTO SECOND SAVING WITHOUT SEVERAL HUNDRED ENEMIES NOTICING AT THE SAME TIME" and such profanities as Pell (and no,I am NOT gonna talk about that,Id waste my mood),but WHEN SOMEBODY DIES-HE STAYS DEAD.What did we get?Even the fat namekian,who died OF OLD AGE got brought back (not to mention he DIED again after ,what 3 minutes?) .
True.
So yeah, you do have some good points there, but when one of your main points were wrong, I just had to mention it.
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and which point is that,exactly?Oh the DBZ thing-I use it to make it CLEARER what I am refering to,plus its way people divide it anyway,whats better,say "DBZ's second half" or "Second half of the series,begining after the end of Namek Arc"?
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Rumiko Takahashi!
I seriously doubt Oda would still be at Jump if he had a single main villain the whole series and stuffed Luffy with only god knows how many upgrades.
That alone make Rumiko the greatest!
Others fail when re-using ideas, but she doesn't!
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I salute you, Rumiko Takahashi!
/She might have been a commercial success, but for taste's sake Rumiko Takahashi failed.
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and which point is that,exactly?
That Goku should have teleported Cell to a place without any people, which was impossible.
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I corected that a post or two before yours.
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I think some of you kids need to read more of the grown-up stuff.
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I reead Sarter when I was 16.
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I'd always thought that to be the "greatest" author you'd have to show your skills in multiple stories rather than just having one successful franchise, but I haven't read as much as would like to, so I can't really call outanyone going by that definition.
Hirohiko Araki's work is taking up most of my free time right now though. Although he disregards continuity at several points and his art occasionally makes you feel more than a little uncomfortable, it is pretty amazing how he's managed to keep up a level of quality after twenty years. Steel Ball Run is shaping up to be my favorite part of Jojo so far.
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Kazuo Koike. Man, it seems everything that man touches turns to gold (well except the later parts of Crying Freeman :D).
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Kazushi Hagiwara
For making H-doujins of his own series.
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Currently my list goes like this:
1. Taiyo Matsumoto (Tekkon Kinkreet, Ping Pong, No. 5, Hanaotoko, Gogo Monster, all masterpieces)
2. Kazuo Umezu (Drifting Classroom, My Name is Shingo, 14)
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Has anyone already mentioned Makoto Raiku?
Anyways, there's also Fujisaki Ryuu, the mangaka of Houshin Engi, and whoever is the mangaka of Hokuto no Ken that goes with the nick of Buronson.
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Buronson was the writer of Hokuto no Ken, and the biggest pimp in Japan.
Tetsuo Hara did the art.
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I should very much like to add post Yu Yu Hakusho Yoshihiro Togashi to my list. Hunter x Hunter more than makes up for the garbage that was the Three Kings Saga.
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@Cap'n:
Buronson was the writer of Hokuto no Ken, and the biggest pimp in Japan.
Tetsuo Hara did the art.
Thanks for pointing that out.
And speaking of drawers and writers, I always wondered wich one gets more merit at the end.
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Currently my list goes like this:
1. Taiyo Matsumoto (Tekkon Kinkreet, Ping Pong, No. 5, Hanaotoko, Gogo Monster, all masterpieces)
2. Kazuo Umezu (Drifting Classroom, My Name is Shingo, 14)
3. Hideki Arai (The World Is Mine, Kiichi, Sugar)Was Taiyo Matsumoto the brother of Leiji Matsumoto? if so, I'll definitely have to check him out.
Surprised more people haven't mentioned Leiji. He pratically wallowed in the romantic story.
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Damn that's a tough one. I'd say Oda is the best in the shonen category, and Urasawa in the seinen category.
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@Fire Fist:
Was Taiyo Matsumoto the brother of Leiji Matsumoto? if so, I'll definitely have to check him out.
I'm pretty sure that no. Or at least if Wikipedia is to believed they were born 30 years apart. Doesn't mean that you shouldn't check him out! As Taiyo is really good at what he is doing. But what he does is little different from your avarage Japanese comic. And little might be an underestimate here, so anybody looking for their s_honen_ fix might end up being severly disappointed with Taiyo. You should still definitely give him a shot. Never know, Taiyo might end up being in your top 3 too. Actually I guess all of this can be said about any of Stephen's nominees. Anyhow, when it comes to Taiyo I think Ping Pong, not Ping Pong Club by the way, is a good place to start.
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Ping Pong Club is a great manga too, though. Minoru Furuya (the author) would probably be in my top 10, if not 3… He just doesn't have the range the other authors do.
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Tatsuya Egawa, for Deadman, Be Free! and Golden Boy.
Shintaro Kago, for his short stories and letting "his brain explode on the page" (quote by some guy on IRC, it fits so much IMO)For Shonen, I'd choose Araki…in Seinen...Q Hayashida. In Shojo...maybe Miho Obana, thinking about range and the like.
In defense of Rumiko Takahashi, I say don't judge her because of Inuyasha. Urusei Yatsura is her peak: it's 100% hilarious gags, unhindered by forced romance/adventure subplots. (well, I haven't read her short stories, so no comments on those)
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Has anyone mentioned Katsuhiro Otomo yet, if not shame on you people.
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Katsuhiro Otomo is hard to put on the same level as career manga artists because, like Hayazaki, he's much more of an all-around artist who dabbles in many different fields. These days he's not "manga artist Katsuhiro Otomo" but "movie director Otomo."
Also, I'm liking Oboro Tennosuke's choices. Good style!
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1. Inagaki&Murata (Eyeshield 21), Oda (OP)
2. Azuma Kiyohiko (Yotsubato)
3. Junji Ito (Gyo, Uzumaki etc.)4. the authors of Hikaru no go, Death note and Midori no Hibi probably.
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Makoto Isshiki (Piano no Mori, Hanada Shounen-shi)
Naoki Yamamoto (Believers, Arigatou, Asatte Dance)
Minoru Furuya (Ciguatera, Boku to Issho, Himizu) -
Oda. He managed to acheive something a ton of manga-ka have never done before. Keeping me entertained.
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The best?:
Osamu Tezuka - Influence on all manga artists in Japan and has created some of the best manga ever period.
Go Nagai - Introduced extreme violence and sex in his works to bring a more realistic approach to manga that influenced many artists like Kentaro Miura and Tetsuo Hara.
Takehiko Inoue - Created some of the best manga in the world and probably one of the best manga artists ever right next to Kentaro Miura.
Naoki Urasawa - Just about every manga he makes is deep, exciting, drawn well, and suspenseful. He's just an excellent manga-ka! There's NOTHING he's done that's been bad, period.
Akira Toriyama - For creating one of the most well-known adventure pieces of fiction across the world and influencing people like Eiichiro Oda to create such great manga.Honorable mentions:
Kentaro Miura - For creating Berserk, one of the greatest manga ever period.
Eiichiro Oda - For creating One Piece which is one of the greatest adventure manga ever with it's unpredictableness and whatnot.
Hayao Miyazaki - Yes, as a manga artist and not an anime director. He created the Nausicaa manga which is probably the best adventure manga period so he HAS to get some credit.
Hiroki Endo - For creating some of the best one-shots ever and Eden: It's An Endless World! -
@Luke:
The best?:
Takehiko Inoue - Created some of the best manga in the world and probably one of the best manga artists ever right next to Kentaro Miura.But his mangas are boring as fuck :getlost:
Naoki Urasawa - Just about every manga he makes is deep, exciting, drawn well, and suspenseful.
And they all end like shit!!
I love you mentioned Go Nagai though
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If one is going to mention the Manga no Kami-sama, they should at least take a moment to remember the Manga no Ma Oh that is Go Nagai. Where would Super Robot manga and anime be without him?
How is 'greatest' being defined? Most sales, number of series created, number of awards received, influence on other authors, or amount of enjoyment received from reading? Lots of different names can be put forward, depending on the definition used for greatest.
I'll just go with Buccaneer's answer: Greatest= Your favorite.
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tezuka is the greatest, with toriyama in second.
but oda is still my favorite.
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Tezuka's been said a million times but I must say the same regardless.
period period period @ Luke Groundwalker
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@Luke:
How so?
I can't bring myself to read a volume of Vagabond without being bored to tears. I swear that's the most drawn out manga I've ever seen - we're on Inuyasha's level there. Its just boring.
@Luke:
What are you talking about? His endings are great, what's so bad about them? He fucking makes masterpieces.
I seriously doubt you have seen the endings of monster and 20th CB.
In monster's case, he concentrates the whole story in the last 3 volumes! It pretty much shows that volumes 3 through 15 were almost on filler level. And then it ends it with a cliffhanger? What the fuck is that shit? I for sure won't read the novel that comes after that…20th Century Boys is a different affair. Volumes 1 through 15 are awesome, jam packed with a lot of plot twists and turns, so much that it's hard to even remember everything. Then the third big saga hits and... WTF? The plot gets stretched out as hell and becomes almost childish (Music saves everybody? C'MOOON!!).
New characters are introduced that are horrible (man those two kids...) and old characters get fucking ruined!!
Otcho becomes a wimp, Kenji a retarded hippie superman, Kana gets even more obnoxious...
But the main problem is you CANT promise so much in the first part of the story than resolve everything with FRIGGIN' MUSIC!! WTF is that?
That concert at the end is definitely the cheesiest scene I've ever seen in a manga.
And WHY reuse the same mcGuffin (friends identity) TWO TIMES, and make the entire story revolve around it?? That's stupid!!
Man, what a let down.
20th CB is a manga that starts with a bang and ends with a fart.If one is going to mention the Manga no Kami-sama, they should at least take a moment to remember the Manga no Ma Oh that is Go Nagai. Where would Super Robot manga and anime be without him?
Don't worry, once I release a certain scanlation I'm working on you'll see how people will love nagai
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Toriyama is first. I'd say that Oda is second.
Call me a fanboy if you like, but they have achieved a shit ton.
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I've probably posted here before this was bumped and all, but I guess I'll have to add Tomoko Ninomiya for creating the greatness that is Nodame Cantabile, which is totally my current favorite. And as long as they keep translating it regularly I will gladly remain being into it for quite long a time.
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I can't bring myself to read a volume of Vagabond without being bored to tears. I swear that's the most drawn out manga I've ever seen - we're on Inuyasha's level there. Its just boring.
No, not really. Vagabond gets more done than any of the shonen trifecta, Berserk, etc. Let alone Inu-Yasha.
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Yeah, Vagabond has great art and everything, but I never really saw anything in it past that.
I'm not gonna bother with any extensively reasoned picks and just sum up my favourite authors, who'd probably be Jiro Matsumoto, Minoru Furuya, Mitsuru Adachi and Eiichiro Oda, in no particular order.
Of course, there are others I absolutely love to bits, but those four popped into my head the first when I asked myself the question, and I'm guessing that's probably for a reason.
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How can you compare Vagabond with any shonen manga?
It should go by the laws of seinen, so it has no excuse for dragging (which it definitely does). Oh wait I forgot, it's hella popular.Oh seinen?
It dosen't drag at all next to Berserk or god forbid, Gantz.
Even Lone Wolf and Cub beat around the bush legendarily.
And seinen dosen't exist in a vacuum. Why shouldn't I compare it to mangas that aren't seinen?All I'm getting from the lot of you is accusations. Not so much as a single example. Unless your actually going to take this all the way don't bother chiming in as if your adding anything to the conversation.
Yeah, Vagabond has great art and everything, but I never really saw anything in it past that.
It's an excellent character drama and "sports" story in the sense of how it focuses on the sword.
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It's an excellent character drama and "sports" story in the sense of how it focuses on the sword.
Oh, no, it's fine if you like the series, I'm just saying it didn't grab me in the slightest.
Also, that doesn't really tell me anything about why you like it. Saying it's excellent drama and sports is just a genre and is just about as informative as arguing Star Wars is a great film because it's ''excellent science fiction''.
I just don't see that supposed excellence in Vagabond.
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@Mog:
Oh, no, it's fine if you like the series, I'm just saying it didn't grab me in the slightest.
Also, that doesn't really tell me anything about why you like it. Saying it's excellent drama and sports is just a genre and is just about as informative as arguing Star Wars is a great film because it's ''excellent science fiction''.
I just don't see that supposed excellence in Vagabond.
A well done character drama is something I like, as is the craft angle on swords. That was my explanation.
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Oh seinen?
It dosen't drag at all next to Berserk or god forbid, Gantz.
Even Lone Wolf and Cub beat around the bush legendarily.
And seinen dosen't exist in a vacuum. Why shouldn't I compare it to mangas that aren't seinen?Seinen, in general, have less pressure to keep going once they're popular. As opposed to shonen manga.
But naturally, there are exceptions like 20 CB, Vagabond, Gantz, and Berserk. I don't like any of those (well, I used to like 20CB, but it turned to crap).Anyway, Vagabond isn't a bad manga at all. It's very well drawn in a conventional way, but it all felt pretty empty to me. I mean c'mon, that part where Musashi was sitting next to that old, supposedly legendary, samurai geezer. ZZZ
Takehiko Inoue just doesn't "ring my bell", as much as others.