I'm still on the bandwagon for Odz being a Robo with sping arms and legs that need a guy to pull the switches, but if I'm wrong I'm wrong. Doesn't matter as long as Oda-sensei explains it in his own way. Wonder if Kuma got out some popcorn and is munching on it. =P As for Brooke, you just heard his arm go snap, so he's not in good shape right now. In fact I think it's great that he could even move while carrying all that salt plus Usopp. He just fell from the sky, got beaten by his shadow, and was pummeled by an ogre. By all rights he should be dust right now. So take it easy on the guy. I'm sure he'll show us all his awsome Skoru techniques soon. ^_^
Chapter 475 "The Pirates in the Forest" Discussion
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@Sogeking:
I noticed Robin called Nami by her name. It's about time.
We already know that she's calling everybody by name now. Remember when she and Franky rescued Chopper and Usopp?
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And, I don't know how it would have to pan out for this to happen, but a part of me kind of hopes they don't manage to recover Luffy's shadow from Odz, if only because I have an image in my head of him laying a final attack on Moria or something as the sun rises and his body framed in flickering fire. :P
Wait,are you saying this is to hapen to Luffy?Cause Oz wont be afected in the least by the sun,unles Luffy is fried by it.
Also,I didnt agree all that much with Nami being unconscious the whole time ,she couldve woken up sooner.I AM glad that she beat up Abs herself, but this couldve come at the first time,wouldve been much better then the Sanji vs. Absalom fight (really the weakest point of this arc so far and my least favourite chapter of the arc and all in all as far as I can Imagine-but then again,after the epicnes of Enies Lobby,everything might seem a bit "less)
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the secret is to: "literally kick Moria in the butt". you know how angry moria got after Luffy kicked the floor under him? and then started running away? its because he suspected Luffy was on to him.
That is also why he is sitting on his fat ass all the time. he's protecting it. And what safer place for Morias ass then inside Oggy. how would you manage to get your foot up inside there to kick Morias behind?When kicked in the butt Moria looses all his power just like when someone pulls the tail of young Goku in dragonball.
=P
so all Luffy has to do is kick Moria's ass? He'll like that
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@Twilight:
I'm still on the bandwagon for Odz being a Robo with sping arms and legs that need a guy to pull the switches, but if I'm wrong I'm wrong.
my thoughts exactly, moria has a little cockpit in there. the stretching has to be moria's doing.
… how did moria get in there in the first place without anyone noticing... last we saw he was out talking to kuma...
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But I wanted to see a good kick in that long face of his.
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… how did moria get in there in the first place without anyone noticing... last we saw he was out talking to kuma...
Couldn't Kuma of used his power to warp him there? (Based off what little we know of it.)
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Couldn't Kuma of used his power to warp him there? (Based off what little we know of it.)
There has to be a way to get into Odz without Kuma though…
We can assume that Moria was in Odz almost the whole time, probably ever since Luffy hit him with with the Gomu Gomu no Spear from underneath... because (and I haven't checked this yet) Odz had yet to interact with any crew members by this point so it could have gone unnoticed
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Moria said he wasn't on the sidelines anymore, so the previous bout with Odz had him outside the cockpit. Also, the shadow went to Moria while he was talking to Kuma, BEFORE he had shown up in Odz.
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I notice a lot of people are saying that Odz is made of rubber now. Why? There are many other materials that can stretch, even human skin.
Simple logic should also tell you that since attack on Odz body haven't been bounced off, and that he got electrocuted, that he's not made of rubber all of the sudden.
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Couldn't Kuma of used his power to warp him there? (Based off what little we know of it.)
That makes sense… actually, I thought it was kinda confusing when Moria appeared in Odz's belly all of sudden. Or maybe Moria is just monstrously fast.
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I notice a lot of people are saying that Odz is made of rubber now. Why? There are many other materials that can stretch, even human skin.
Simple logic should also tell you that since attack on Odz body haven't been bounced off, and that he got electrocuted, that he's not made of rubber all of the sudden.
Well, before this chapter, Odz couldn't stretch. He tried a gomu pistol once and failed. He even still has the wound under his right arm where he broke a seam.
So, we can probably make the assumption that Moria's presence in Odz belly has allowed him to use this new elasticity. So the question then becomes what moria has done to Odz? The two options are that he either:
A. Moria is pulling a trigger somewhere that allows for Odz to use special abilities (in which case, why wasn't there someone in there from the beginning putting the breaks on Odz' rampage?) Also, this would mean that Odz was initially designed by Hogback to have stretchy ranged attacks despite the fact that they had no idea it would be Luffy's shadow that would be placed in Odz. This option doesn't seem too likely.
B: Moria is doing something with his power that is transforming the ogre into something stretchy. If Moria is using his power, then he must be manipulating something involving luffy's shadow.
If B is the case, then it isn't that far of a jump to think that he is somehow transferring some of Luffy's abilities to Odz through the shadow. This would also explain why the belly cockpit is fitted to Moria's size so that he could take advantage of whatever Devil fruit power was used by the person whose shadow would eventually power Odz.
However, even though Odz has displayed some of luffy's rubber abilities, we don't know the extent to which he has absorbed the powers. It may be that Moria can only turn one limb into rubber at a time and Odz is still susceptible to electricity and impact everywhere else. This ability of Moria to duplicate devil fruit powers would be too crazy powerful unless Oda placed some arbitrary limits on the ability.
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@Twilight:
Moria said he wasn't on the sidelines anymore, so the previous bout with Odz had him outside the cockpit. Also, the shadow went to Moria while he was talking to Kuma, BEFORE he had shown up in Odz.
my mistake
i though that they were talking in Odz…
but upon checking I was mistaken
so yeah, how the hell did he get in there?
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my mistake
i though that they were talking in Odz…
but upon checking I was mistaken
so yeah, how the hell did he get in there?
Isn't that the question. Maybe Odz has a door somewhere that only Moria and Odz's new toejam know about. If so then maybe Luffy can get in and we finally have the battle inOdz that everyone wanted.
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I bet this sudden hidden ability of Moria is nothing but a twist of Shadow Play. Odz may look like a Rubber Man, but he may be not better than a Kid imitating the shadow of a bird with his hands, so who knows, maybe if Odz's shadow donor was a Zoan or a Logia, then perhaps he would be able to change the shape of his body into either something resemblying an Animal or an element without actually getting the innate skills/attributes of said animal/element, pretty much like how I think that Odz's body just got the stretchyness and not the inmunity to bullets, lightning and blunt atacks of Luffy's actual rubber body.
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Moria has tricked the shadow to tap in to the Devil Fruit powers that resided in the shadow and Moria is just taking the best out of Luffy and getting rid of the worst (Best, being able to stretch and the worst is still thinking that fire is harmful, as Moria was telling Odz quite clearly it doesn't hurt him - he just thinks it does). Given that there's some kind of limit of how much of the shadow can replicate the devil fruit of the previous owner of the shadow, so wouldn't it get worse over time?
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Great chapter,I can't wait for the next chapter
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The last two chapters almost prove that Moria's DF power is more dangerous than we thought. But I want to see him fight properly, and actually give Luffy a good beating before Luffy goes mental.
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My prediction is that Luffy's use of the rolling pirate's secret (KURO/KAGE/YAMI LUFFY) will manage to take Moira out of the Odz vs Strawhats battle, returning everyone to their respective battles, or a switch? Strawhats vs Moira and Odz vs Luffy? The next chapter promises big!!!
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Imagine the Rolling Pirates say, "Moria's secret is THE SEA!!!!!111 HE CAN'T SWIM!!!!!!!!11" DUN DUN DUN
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Imagine the Rolling Pirates say, "Moria's secret is THE SEA!!!!!111 HE CAN'T SWIM!!!!!!!!11" DUN DUN DUN
OH my, What a twist!
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Mizu Luffy used water gun.
It's super effective.
Moria fainted.
Odz used smashfuckup.
Luffy used Gear 3.
Odz falls into sea.
It's super effective.
Odz fainted.
Kuma used gtfaway.
Luffy fainted.
Change Strawhat?
Yes/No?
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I'm surprised that no one commented on my suggestion about the door to Odz. Eh, no biggie. I still want to find out about Hogback, though. Is he really getting to know his best creation or is he somewhere in the manshion still? Then again, he could be dead, since it was his dream to make the perfect zombie and he did that. His dream was accomplished so he probably could be dead. Or he's just laid out somewhere flat as a pancake. And before someone makes a comment on it, yes the Hogback pancake would have a slight drizzling of genius brain syrup. ^_^
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Mizu Luffy used water gun.
It's super effective.
Moria fainted.
Odz used smashfuckup.
Luffy used Gear 3.
Odz falls into sea.
It's super effective.
Odz fainted.
Kuma used gtfaway.
Luffy fainted.
Change Strawhat?
Yes/No?
I'd put that in my sig, but the mods would kill me for it. XD
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@Seal:
I'd put that in my sig, but the mods would kill me for it. XD
Lol Someone should make that into an animated sig though.
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Imagine the Rolling Pirates say, "Moria's secret is THE SEA!!!!!111 HE CAN'T SWIM!!!!!!!!11" DUN DUN DUN
for some reason the first thing i thought of when they mentioned a "secret" being them lighting luffy on fire… so the light would keep the shadows away... im predicting whatever the rolling pirates tell luffy is going to be pretty silly...
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The question now is will Luffy understand the secret?
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@lil:
im predicting whatever the rolling pirates tell luffy is going to be pretty silly…
yeah, that are my thoughts too. it will something like afroluffy or something in the same direction.
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I think i prefer to have more trust in Oda's creativity..
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If anything the weakness is bound to be something completely obvious that no one even noticed until it's said to them… for instance
"There's a zipper on Oz's back!"
"WAT?! NO WAI!!!!1111"
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the secret is…
Moria faints from the smell of cheese -
His weakness is… the ONE RING!
KEEP IT SECRET! KEEP IT SAFE!
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Are spoilers up yet? I'm just kidding. ^_^ But seriously, what is there to talk about for this chapter?
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@Twilight:
Are spoilers up yet? I'm just kidding. ^_^ But seriously, what is there to talk about for this chapter?
there is:
-How did Moria show up in Oggys belly?
-How did Oggy stretch like that?
-Was it something Moria did?
-Where did nami get those clothes?
-Did the thunder tempo really effect Oggy? or is he completly rubber now?
-What is Kuma doing now?
-The real Risky brothers and their mysterious captain Lola.And the standing questions:
-What are hildon, cerebus, fourarmed gunslinger, captain john up to?That's all i got now off the top of my head.
Btw did the warthog lola die or what happened with her? She married Abs right? Where did they go now?
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She ran away to do inapropriate things to Absolom.
Also heres an online scanlation of the chapter in case it hasn't been posted or you don't wanna download http://www.clipshare.info/onepiece/?list=1&page=1
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Gorlom, you forgot Dogpen and Jigoro. ^_^ They still need to be beaten. Maybe by Cindry?
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i didnt forget them i just assumed them to be smashed to pieces from the fall and not worth discussing =P
zoro will be getting his shadow back after Moria has been beaten (oh and Sanji too)
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Is it just me? Or has Nami had 4 sets of clothes on in one arc =P
-Arriving on Thriller Bark
-After Bath
-Wedding dress
-Now
AND WE EVEN SAW HER NAKED!
Wow Oda is really giving Nami fans what they want this arc =P
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Wow Oda is really giving Nami fans what they want this arc =P
Might as well consider me not a Nami-fan then.
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Might as well consider me not a Nami-fan then.
Pretty much.
I hope that Moria's secret is something clever or just something so stupid that it bares little effect on the fight if that makes any sense.
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Wow Oda is really giving Nami fans what they want this arc =P
you can say that again!!!
ahhhh, nami swaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!!!!:wub::wub::wub:
i hope to see new attacks from her
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is your sig up to date with the 4 wardrobe changes in TB kiazoku Chopper?
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The question now is will Luffy understand the secret?
Luffy's not that stupid. He'll figure it out unless it's complicated. If it's as simple as "water makes sand harder" then it's not an issue.
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you can say that again!!!
ahhhh, nami swaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!!!!:wub::wub::wub:
i hope to see new attacks from her
What a delightfully witty comment.
wait a minute…....
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is your sig up to date with the 4 wardrobe changes in TB kiazoku Chopper?
yes' and its hard to follow you know:getlost:
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Wow Oda is really giving Nami fans what they want this arc =P
Wait, wedding dress and Perona copycatting?
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yes' and its hard to follow you know:getlost:
damnit, i was hopeing the manga would overtake the anime.
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found this on mangahelpers…props to hitotsunami
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Not too shabby, but why is Kuma's shirt orange? I thought it was black.