@electricmastro
For reference it was page 10 in the current chapter (1103) in the bubble above the current Kuma.
The other reference I recall Bonney mentioning looking for Nika was to tell her dad as well (page 3 of 1102). Don’t know if she would follow Nika if the figure couldn’t fulfill her true desires. We haven’t seen Bonney show faith or reverence to the beliefs of Nika other than in the context of helping her father out.
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Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?
Yeah, their should be no question that Nika Luffy will "save" Kuma for Bonney... The question is: to what degree? A full restoration is just too much if you ask me. Just distasteful.
I don't think Bonney is joining regardless though.
@Gizmo said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 10 - Egghead):
@electricmastro
For reference it was page 10 in the current chapter (1103) in the bubble above the current Kuma.The other reference I recall Bonney mentioning looking for Nika was to tell her dad as well (page 3 of 1102). Don’t know if she would follow Nika if the figure couldn’t fulfill her true desires. We haven’t seen Bonney show faith or reverence to the beliefs of Nika other than in the context of helping her father out.
Thanks. Well I think Bonney would realize there are some things even Luffy couldn't accomplish as Nika and not blame him for how Kuma turned out.
If Bonney does have her faith rocked, then I suppose Bonney being with Luffy for one reason or another would give her own opportunity to judge for herself how she should see Luffy, not just because of what her dad said, but for how Luffy is from her own observations. And considering how Luffy tends to rally willing people to his side in the first place, I figure she'd still end up believing in him, regardless of how Kuma's fate turns out.
Basically, this would give some growth to Bonney's character, which I think could only be a good thing.
Vivi getting the paw paw fruit only makes sense if that's how her ancestor sent the Poneglyph's all over the world
@Shiebs said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 10 - Egghead):
Vivi getting the paw paw fruit only makes sense if that's how her ancestor sent the Poneglyph's all over the world
And what would be the point of Vivi getting it? It doesn't suit her... I think it would be cool for Sentomaru to get it... It's easy to imagine him with that power.
@danie said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 10 - Egghead):
@Shiebs said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 10 - Egghead):
Vivi getting the paw paw fruit only makes sense if that's how her ancestor sent the Poneglyph's all over the world
And what would be the point of Vivi getting it? It doesn't suit her... I think it would be cool for Sentomaru to get it... It's easy to imagine him with that power.
I agree Sentomaru’s fighting style would go perfect with Kuma’s paw paw fruit, there basically the exact same fighting style
I just thought if Vivi’s ancestor was responsible for the Poneglyph’s being spread throughout the world and did so by using the paw paw fruit that maybe Oda would have history repeat itself in a “This must be fate” sort of way
I mean we have the main character being the reincarnation of Joy Boy and the Mermaid Princess who’s also the ancient weapon Poseidon all around the same era so it’s not to impossible to think it might happen again with Vivi
@Shiebs Okay, and what will she do with the ability? There has to be a point to it beyond "her ancestor had it".
Basically; if the idea is that the paw power was used to scatter the poneglyphs around the world... What will Vivi do with it?
@danie Some people say that Vivi is the crew's diplomat and she would travel the world convincing nations to turn against the WG. I guess the paw-paw fruit would make that possible.
The problem with that is... well, all these theories are made expecting they allow her to join the crew, but if that's her role, she would not be traveling with the crew. Unless one expects them to just be her tagalong entourage as she jumps all over the seas in her own quest.
With the power of the Paw Paw Fruit, it becomes easier for the Straw Hats to warp to locations around the world. One of the big questions hanging over the series is that
"If Luffy is meant to destroy Fishman Island, how will he get back there?"
Will it happen after he's gone over the Red Line again and it's during his second trip around the world or will the Straw Hats have to turn back and on their journey to respond to an emergency (something they've not done in the series before this point). The same goes for Wano now that we know Pluton is there. Caribou knows this and will likely tell either Crocodile or Blackbeard about it, meaning one of those two are likely to attack Wano to get the ancient weapon. Luffy made it his territory so will he have to respon and rush back there as well?
With the Paw-Paw fruit though, if there is an emergency in theory they could be warped to these locations. While we've only seen it warp individuals, there's nothing to say it couldn't warp the entire Sunny as it can warp inanimate objects like rocks. And while it was meant to take 3 days, we saw from Egghead that Kuma himself could warp to Egghead in a day (probably less if he hadn't collided with the Red Line). The Paw-Paw Fruit basically unlocks fast travel for the Straw Hats which will be very useful for the final arc if they need to collect/save allies.
IF we ever get a new member, I hope its a completely new character.
Someone that will truly shakeup the dynamics on the crew.
HOW COME LUFFY NEVER KILLS AN ENEMY?
ODA:ITS BECAUSE IN THAT ERA EVERYONE USES THEIR LIVES TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS. FOR AN ENEMY WHEN THEIR DREAM HAS BEEN SHATTERED,IT IS AS PAINFUL AS DEATH,I BELIEVE FOR A PIRATE NOT TO KILL AN ENEMY , IT'S GIVING THEM A SECOND CHANCE TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS.
@kevo_koma said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 10 - Egghead):
IF we ever get a new member, I hope its a completely new character.
Someone that will truly shakeup the dynamics on the crew.
Interesting. Shake up how, in what way?
@kevo_koma said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 10 - Egghead):
IF we ever get a new member, I hope its a completely new character.
Someone that will truly shakeup the dynamics on the crew.
Loki or the man with the burn scar here we go 
Or whoever the eye patch guy is
I believe Elbaf would be the last chance for a new character to join, assuming that arc has some legs to it and the character debuts in the beginning. I guess Oda could still do it after that, but it's hard to imagine a new character joining when the war starts and it being satisfying for the fans.
This "Vivi eats the Paw Paw fruit" theory feels like a massive reach the likes of Carrot/Pedro theories from back in early Wano, but even worse given the context that the manga is nearly over and there's very little worldbuilding space to add that kind of convoluted stuff.
@Dragon-D-Luffy It's entirely based on the number theory. It assumes we need the 2.9 fruit (nikyu) and that Vivi is certainly the 11th crewmate, so "obviously" Vivi will get the paw-paw fruit.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
@Deicide said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 10 - Egghead):
@Dragon-D-Luffy It's entirely based on the number theory. It assumes we need the 2.9 fruit (nikyu) and that Vivi is certainly the 11th crewmate, so "obviously" Vivi will get the paw-paw fruit.
Are you suggesting that the 2.9 devil fruit theory is in fact silly?
This is an act of war
High treason
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
@Deicide said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 10 - Egghead):
@Shiebs I always found it questionable. I thought it became doubly so when Luffy's fruit changed from gomu (5.6) to Nika (2.9)...
I've never followed the numbers theory much but since Luffy is now both the 5-6 and the 2-9 wouldn't it mean the theory is true/complete?
I imagine Oda sitting in his office laughing like Roger at the joke/prank he played on the audience.
"You guys were expecting a new crew member? Nope, it's just Luffy again but like more Luffy than ever, it's Luffy Squared! Oh-dah-dah-dah-dah!!"
P.S. I just thought of it now but it would be funny if every OP character has a unique laugh related to who they are because Oda also has a unique laugh using his own name in real life.
So if you guys are willing to give me the benefit of the doubt and humor me, even if just for a moment, what do you guys feel Oda would have to do to convince you of Bonney becoming more likely to be a Straw Hat at this point?
Again, if you're willing to humor me, I'm willing to go along with any discussion.
@Deicide said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 10 - Egghead):
@Shiebs I always found it questionable. I thought it became doubly so when Luffy's fruit changed from gomu (5.6) to Nika (2.9)...
It's funny, none of the people I've seen parroting that the "ka" part in "Nika" can be read as 9 either are or speak Japanese, lol. The only fruit that can be as explicitely associated with that goroawase is the Nikyu Nikyu because:
Oda acknowledged the theory by responding to it in the SBS
Kuma's first bounty was 296,000,000
His birthday was revealed as February 9th (2/9) in the fifth databook, not in something like a random reader request like most birthdays
You can dismiss the 2-9/325 San-Ni-Go theories, that's fine, but not by slapping the numbers to another Hito Hito no Mi (1-10) and calling it a day.
@Goukan Well, it doesn't matter if you want to disregard "Nika" as 2.9. Luffy not being 5.6 but a second 1.10 ruins the theory all the same.
Also, it's obvious Kuma's bounty and anniversary all have the 29, since that's how his fruit is spelled.
As for Nika being 2.9, there's no direct number for "ka". You have "ku" or "kyu" for 9 and "ko" can mean either 5 (because it sounds like "go") or 9 (because 9 is also spelled "kokonutsu").
Goroawase isn't science, it's just pun, it just needs to sound a bit alike. "Kuja" was turned into 9.2 for Hancock's birthday, for instance, but try to find "ja" for 2 in any goroawase guide in the internet, for instance... I never found out the logic behind it, but I think it's because it's close to "ji", which is an alternate form of "ni" (2).
"Nika" is not a direct translation of "2.9", but it's close enough to "ku", "kyu" or "ko" to fit as a pun.
I once saw a famous japanese theorycrafter (Yuderon) link "5" to "me" because it sounds like "mei" which is "may", the 5th month. Should we argue with a native speaker that he's not following goroawase charts in foreign webpages?
(And others argue that "me" is "6" because it's similar to "mu")
Here are different goroawase guides for reference:
@Deicide said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 10 - Egghead):
@Dragon-D-Luffy It's entirely based on the number theory.
Hey, let's not drag the level of the discussion too far down now.
@Dragon-D-Luffy Heh, I like to discuss where these ideas come from. They may be far-fetched, but understanding some of the "logic" can be pretty amusing, as long as we don't take it too seriously.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
@Deicide said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 10 - Egghead):
@Dragon-D-Luffy Heh, I like to discuss where these ideas come from. They may be far-fetched, but understanding some of the "logic" can be pretty amusing, as long as we don't take it too seriously.
Don't worry while I think the theory is stupid, I'm mostly joking.
On another note, one of my favorite youtubers dropped a Vivi video, and it seems very fitting with the discussion we do here.
(She has been making individual strawhat videos for over a year, and only Luffy was left, but she wanted to stop at Vivi before getting to Luffy)
@Dragon-D-Luffy I like her videos, I'll check this one later.
oooooh MelonTree, I've watched a lot of her content. Thanks for the link!
I wonder when Vivi would get to find out about Luffy's true dream. Maybe right after Egghead?
Well I don’t actually think he’s joining you can’t tell me another Warlord on the team wouldn’t be epic
@Shiebs said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 10 - Egghead):
Well I don’t actually think he’s joining you can’t tell me another Warlord on the team wouldn’t be epic
Having Kuma on the crew would be like having Zeff on the crew or Kureha on the crew to me for some reason. Bonney is meant to be the next generation the older generation pushes forward to the future. Considering how Garp was gladly willing to give himself up so that Koby could live on, I wouldn't doubt Oda would do the same in Kuma giving up his life so that Bonney could live on.
@electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 10 - Egghead):
@Shiebs said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 10 - Egghead):
Well I don’t actually think he’s joining you can’t tell me another Warlord on the team wouldn’t be epic
Having Kuma on the crew would be like having Zeff on the crew or Kureha on the crew to me for some reason. Bonney is meant to be the next generation the older generation pushes forward to the future. Considering how Garp was gladly willing to give himself up so that Koby could live on, I wouldn't doubt Oda would do the same in Kuma giving up his life so that Bonney could live on.
We’ll I’m really pulling for Kuma to survive this battle but I know that’s an uphill battle
But with cloning and his memories stored it’s not outright impossible
I’m very excited to see where both his and Bonney’s story going
But if Kuma does survive I can’t see him leaving Bonney behind, and I don’t think her story is ending here with her and her dad traveling the world together, so I guess we’ll see what happens
Strong vibes of Bonney nakama
But I doubt she could replace Vivi's spot
But at this point I think that the crew that will go to Laugh Tale will be big, including Vivi, Momo, Kinemon, Yamato
And Smoker, because I don't give up on the idea that Smoker will join
@electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 10 - Egghead):
@kevo_koma said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 10 - Egghead):
IF we ever get a new member, I hope its a completely new character.
Someone that will truly shakeup the dynamics on the crew.
Interesting. Shake up how, in what way?
Not quite sure, but someone that in a way...doesn't really fully fit in with the crew in a way.
I'm thinking someone like Law and he was both as quirky as the crew but also very different from them.
I guess the best fit for such a character would be a former marine joining. Someone that has a fundamentally different world view from the SH but they still share a common goal.
Lol, I just realized I'm just making a case for Smoker joining
@electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 10 - Egghead):
So if you guys are willing to give me the benefit of the doubt and humor me, even if just for a moment, what do you guys feel Oda would have to do to convince you of Bonney becoming more likely to be a Straw Hat at this point?
Again, if you're willing to humor me, I'm willing to go along with any discussion.
Bonney, as a character herself would need to become interesting. Right now, her whole thing was finding her dad.
Now that she has, we need to see how her personality evolves from that.
Nami was all about making that 30 Million in the beginning. But she was also more nuanced and had more personality besides that. This goes for all the Straw Hats.
They always have goals and aspirations beyond their immediate goals. So far, I just don't see what Bonney has to offer outside her story with Kuma.
At least with Law, we would know he's coming along with us to learn about the Will of D. and uncover the secrets of the world. He found a new purpose outside avenging Corazon.
The more I think of it, the more I feel like it doesn't make sense to even discuss Vivi joining because she already is a SH.
"Yeah but not permanently"
And that's never happening. She is the queen of Alabasta. And possibly queen of the world depending on fan theories.
She may, however, rejoin the crew (her crew) for another temporary period, during the final arc.
Does that make her an official strawhat? I feel like that's a matter of definition. Is a strawhat anyone who is in the ship during the final arc? Because that feels like a narrow one.
It feels weird to consider that Vivi getting a second temporary run in the crew makes her an official strawhat, even when she did the same thing before. Either she was always an official member or she never will be. Slapping a #11 on her as if the second time counts harder just because it's in the final saga sounds arbitrary to me.
Imo she is and will always be an unofficial SH, and that's it.
@Dragon-D-Luffy said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 10 - Egghead):
The more I think of it, the more I feel like it doesn't make sense to even discuss Vivi joining because she already is a SH.
"Yeah but not permanently"
And that's never happening. She is the queen of Alabasta. And possibly queen of the world depending on fan theories.
She may, however, rejoin the crew (her crew) for another temporary period, during the final arc.
Does that make her an official strawhat? I feel like that's a matter of definition. Is a strawhat anyone who is in the ship during the final arc? Because that feels like a narrow one.
It feels weird to consider that Vivi getting a second temporary run in the crew makes her an official strawhat, even when she did the same thing before. Either she was always an official member or she never will be. Slapping a #11 on her as if the second time counts harder just because it's in the final saga sounds arbitrary to me.
Imo she is and will always be an unofficial SH, and that's it.
This would make Kinemon more of a SH than Vivi then. We've had Kinemon by our side since Punk Hazard. He played roles in PH, Dressrosa, Zou and Wano.
We only had Vivi in Drum and Alabasta.
HOW COME LUFFY NEVER KILLS AN ENEMY?
ODA:ITS BECAUSE IN THAT ERA EVERYONE USES THEIR LIVES TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS. FOR AN ENEMY WHEN THEIR DREAM HAS BEEN SHATTERED,IT IS AS PAINFUL AS DEATH,I BELIEVE FOR A PIRATE NOT TO KILL AN ENEMY , IT'S GIVING THEM A SECOND CHANCE TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS.
@kevo_koma said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 10 - Egghead):
@Dragon-D-Luffy said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 10 - Egghead):
The more I think of it, the more I feel like it doesn't make sense to even discuss Vivi joining because she already is a SH.
"Yeah but not permanently"
And that's never happening. She is the queen of Alabasta. And possibly queen of the world depending on fan theories.
She may, however, rejoin the crew (her crew) for another temporary period, during the final arc.
Does that make her an official strawhat? I feel like that's a matter of definition. Is a strawhat anyone who is in the ship during the final arc? Because that feels like a narrow one.
It feels weird to consider that Vivi getting a second temporary run in the crew makes her an official strawhat, even when she did the same thing before. Either she was always an official member or she never will be. Slapping a #11 on her as if the second time counts harder just because it's in the final saga sounds arbitrary to me.
Imo she is and will always be an unofficial SH, and that's it.
This would make Kinemon more of a SH than Vivi then. We've had Kinemon by our side since Punk Hazard. He played roles in PH, Dressrosa, Zou and Wano.
We only had Vivi in Drum and Alabasta.
It's not about number of chapters. Vivi had this whole sequence where she asks the crew if they consider her a member and they replied with the X gesture saying yes. She is a member. The captain said so.
Kinemon was a passenger. He did not consider himself a strawhat and the SHs did not say it either. He was as much a member as Law was. And Law was probably in longer than Vivi too (need to do the math). But no one thinks Law is a member either.
@Dragon-D-Luffy Fair enough
@kevo_koma said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 10 - Egghead):
We only had Vivi in Drum and Alabasta.
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She's also met (and tried to kill) Laboon, for over a decade was the only character to get into the "plays with animals" cover pages aside from the main crew, and was the only crew member in the Reverie arc.
Nowadays the play with animal covers don't mean anything because Oda just takes any random fan request, but for a long long time only the Strawhats got those.
Later down the line Karoo started getting his own as well. But Oda always kept her in the reader's mind.
@Dragon-D-Luffy This is pretty much how I see Vivi. She's a special crewmate, not the 11th, and that's how she will still be. I never had a doubt that she'd travel with the crew again, but I also never considered her the potential 11th crewmate.
Speaking of Smoker, when the hell is that guy going to appear again?
He wasn't around when the marines showed up around Egghead and he was nowhere to be seen when Garp went to Fullalead.
Best bet, Oda forgot about him.
I hoped he would show up at some point during Egghead to show us a Logia awakening, but with Kizaru, Rob Lucci and Saturn being the main antagonist of the arc. I'd say he won't play a role for now.
@Shiebs Good question, I was sure he was going to appear with Garp in Hachinosu. It was so weird to see Tashigi there but not Smoker, and to this day I wonder how that damn ship was flying and leaving a smoke trail at some point. But the story never explained that, and I don't see the point in leaving that unanswered.
I'm still expecting Smoker to show up at Hachinosu at some point. I think it will be a turning point for Koby and all the marines like him, including Smoker.
I agree with everything being said about Vivi. She is already a SH and what it will take to move her to a full-time spot would involve walking away from Alabasta and whatever the future holds for the WG, post story. That doesn't sound very Vivi to me.
@Zin-Magala
Fullalead seems to be done, they achieved Garps goal and got Koby out, the future of the marines and maybe even sparked something inside Kuzan.
I think the marines will go back and regroup. If they go there again. I expect someone higher than Smoker to go with them. Green Bull or Fujitora come to mind.
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I don't think Hachinosu is done. We still have the whole Garp situation to deal with. You're right that we will probably see reinforcements arrive, more likely Fujitora, but I can still see Smoker being there amongst them. I'm expecting all the "good guy" marines to be there before things come to a head.
Right now that whole situation is in a stalemate and needs something else to happen so it can reach its conclusion. I think what happens in this arc with Saturn/BB pirates and the SHs going there will be that something.
@Zin-Magala I don’t think we are returning to Hachinosu, since Garp chose to remain behind knowing the marines shouldn’t come for him.
But I think we will see Garp’s ship and the ones who participated in the rescue mission.
I still have a sliver of hope/suspicion Smoker may be there (again, unexplained flying ship with smoke trail, Tashigi…). Maybe he didn’t do more because as a non-SWORD officer he had to keep his involvement a secret. If that’s still possible, then when we see the ship again may be the occasion of Smoker’s return.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
@Deicide said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 10 - Egghead):
@Zin-Magala I don’t think we are returning to Hachinosu, since Garp chose to remain behind knowing the marines shouldn’t come for him.
But I think we will see Garp’s ship and the ones who participated in the rescue mission.
I still have a sliver of hope/suspicion Smoker may be there (again, unexplained flying ship with smoke trail, Tashigi…). Maybe he didn’t do more because as a non-SWORD officer he had to keep his involvement a secret. If that’s still possible, then when we see the ship again may be the occasion of Smoker’s return.
Smoker was not on Hachinosu. if he was, then it would look pretty bad on him since it meant he did not do anything to save Garp or anyone in spite of his usual justice philosophy of doing what's right in spite of the rules.
