What if Cobra married into the Nefetari Family?
Chapter 1086: The Five Elders
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Isn't the fact that Nefertaris are one of the 20 dynasties that founded the world government enough to discard their connection to ancient weapons? I was under the impression that those belonged to the ancient kingdom.
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@Alfiere I don't think there's a connection. Pluton was created in Water 7, and Poseidon is the mermaid princess. Uranus may also have an origin outside of the Ancient Kingdom.
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@Deicide Do we know or have any hint about which side was W7 on during that war? I don't remember.
Anyway, Fishmen Island, home of Poseidon, just recently joined the WG and Pluton apparently has been kept under lock in famously non alligned Wano ever since. So 2 out of 3 surely ended up outside of the WG domain in the immediate aftermath of the war.
Other than these clues, I actually thought it was stated at some point that the AK owned the weapons, but at least the wiki has says nothing about it so I must have misremembered that. -
@Deicide said in Chapter 1086: The Five Elders:
@Alfiere I don't think there's a connection. Pluton was created in Water 7, and Poseidon is the mermaid princess. Uranus may also have an origin outside of the Ancient Kingdom.
Which makes me wonder who exactly was involved with making Pluton at Water 7, like if it was just regular middle-class shipwrights, or some people of a much higher class.
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@Alfiere I think the story of the Void Century will be more complicated than "Ancient Kingdom vs 20 Kings".
@electricmastro said in Chapter 1086: The Five Elders:
Which makes me wonder who exactly was involved with making Pluton at Water 7
No idea, but Plutton may have been a joint effort. Tech from some place, know-how and builders from W7, funding from someone else.
Under my theory, the whole world pulled resources together to fight the "Ancient Evil".
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@Deicide said in Chapter 1086: The Five Elders:
@electricmastro said in Chapter 1086: The Five Elders:
Which makes me wonder who exactly was involved with making Pluton at Water 7
No idea, but Plutton may have been a joint effort. Tech from some place, know-how and builders from W7, funding from someone else.
Under my theory, the whole world pulled resources together to fight the "Ancient Evil".
My gut reaction is to say that Pluton wasn't just built by middle-class human shipwrights.
Seeing as how Poseidon is a sea-themed weapon affiliated with people of the sea, I'm suspecting that Pluton might have thus been built in a joint effort with people of the land/underworld. Based on that, that would mean Uranus is a sky-themed weapon built or at least affiliated with people of the sky.
Land, sea, and air basically.
Of course, saying that would imply that the Underworld or "Hell" is an actual location in One Piece that one could visit, like visiting "Heaven" on a sky island. The Underworld being a location could explain the various characters in One Piece who look demonic, though I'm aware that's not exactly "proof."
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@electricmastro said in Chapter 1086: The Five Elders:
@Deicide said in Chapter 1086: The Five Elders:
@electricmastro said in Chapter 1086: The Five Elders:
Which makes me wonder who exactly was involved with making Pluton at Water 7
No idea, but Plutton may have been a joint effort. Tech from some place, know-how and builders from W7, funding from someone else.
Under my theory, the whole world pulled resources together to fight the "Ancient Evil".
My gut reaction is to say that Pluton wasn't just built by middle-class human shipwrights.
Seeing as how Poseidon is a sea-themed weapon affiliated with people of the sea, I'm suspecting that Pluton might have thus been built in a joint effort with people of the land/underworld. Based on that, that would mean Uranus is a sky-themed weapon built or at least affiliated with people of the sky.
Land, sea, and air basically.
Of course, saying that would imply that the Underworld or "Hell" is an actual location in One Piece that one could visit, like visiting "Heaven" on a sky island. The Underworld being a location could explain the various characters in One Piece who look demonic, though I'm aware that's not exactly "proof."
Poseidon is not just a sea themed weapon, It is Actually Poseidon. Poseidon was a being, and Poseidon is a being here with similar abilities to the mythological one.
I don’t know about pluton but in terms of Uranus, I would prefer it to be another being just like Poseidon. But if what destroyed lulusia was Uranus, it’s probably not a being. What destroyed Lulusia seems to me that it might be a Sky island like thing or a Satellite.
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@realtenchu said in Chapter 1086: The Five Elders:
@electricmastro said in Chapter 1086: The Five Elders:
@Deicide said in Chapter 1086: The Five Elders:
@electricmastro said in Chapter 1086: The Five Elders:
Which makes me wonder who exactly was involved with making Pluton at Water 7
No idea, but Plutton may have been a joint effort. Tech from some place, know-how and builders from W7, funding from someone else.
Under my theory, the whole world pulled resources together to fight the "Ancient Evil".
My gut reaction is to say that Pluton wasn't just built by middle-class human shipwrights.
Seeing as how Poseidon is a sea-themed weapon affiliated with people of the sea, I'm suspecting that Pluton might have thus been built in a joint effort with people of the land/underworld. Based on that, that would mean Uranus is a sky-themed weapon built or at least affiliated with people of the sky.
Land, sea, and air basically.
Of course, saying that would imply that the Underworld or "Hell" is an actual location in One Piece that one could visit, like visiting "Heaven" on a sky island. The Underworld being a location could explain the various characters in One Piece who look demonic, though I'm aware that's not exactly "proof."
Poseidon is not just a sea themed weapon, It is Actually Poseidon. Poseidon was a being, and Poseidon is a being here with similar abilities to the mythological one.
I don’t know about pluton but in terms of Uranus, I would prefer it to be another being just like Poseidon. But if what destroyed lulusia was Uranus, it’s probably not a being. What destroyed Lulusia seems to me that it might be a Sky island like thing or a Satellite.
Well of course it could turn out that Im is Uranus and can command a monolith like the Mother Flame through certain means, similar to how Shirahoshi commands the Sea Kings to move the Noah.
Of course, I'd need proof to back that up.
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Pluton could've been build by the same people as Noah. We still don't know who it was the Sea Kings talked about after Luffy damaged the Noah.
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@Zhenja said in Chapter 1086: The Five Elders:
Pluton could've been build by the same people as Noah. We still don't know who it was the Sea Kings talked about after Luffy damaged the Noah.
Does bring up the question exactly how linked Water 7 and Wano are since Pluton went from Water 7 to Wano. Makes me wonder if Oden learned anything about Wano there.
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@Deicide said in Chapter 1086: The Five Elders:
@Alfiere I think the story of the Void Century will be more complicated than "Ancient Kingdom vs 20 Kings".
Yeah, maybe so.
Still that's all we know for now. Doesn't make much sense to put chips on imaginary third parties now. Again, unless there are some hints in that direction that I'm forgetting. -
In Japanese Umi means sea/mother nature. People speculating that Imu is a pun of that.
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I hope S-Crocodile has Magellan's poison devil fruit.
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@Nectar It would be a nice way to allow a "Magellan" rematch without having to remove Magellan from Impel Down.
Other suggestions I've seen seen as Mr 3's candle power or Buggy's split power.
I kinda like the Buggy power suggestion because it does emulate a logia quite nicely, and you have two Cross Guild members in one (also, Croc would probably be pretty pissed with it).
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I think it'd actually be better to get Magellan out of Impel Down. Destroy the place so we can get him and everything else in Impel Down scattered around joining in on the chaos of the final war. The place really shouldn't still be used the way it is in a post-revolution "fixed" World Government run by the more positive characters like Coby, Fujitora, etc.
I'm sticking with Buggy's or Galdino's powers, cause you absolutely need to make the joke of Crocodile getting mad at them for never improving enough to fight like S-Croc will. Buggy's would be even better, since it'd give us a look at what a real Emperor Buggy could've looked like, if he was actually as strong as a normal Emperor.
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So does Bonney confirmed having been on good terms with Sabo make it more likely she’s set-up on joining Dragon?
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@auem I've never liked this theory. We've never seen Oda's romanisation of Imu, he's only ever written it in Japanese. And reversing the Japanese characters doesn't give you Umi, it gives Mui, which seems to be more or less meaningless.
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Maybe the Ancient Weapons weren’t necessarily weapons at all. Poseidon is simply a person (mermaid) able to talk to seakings. It can clearly be used to destroy and conquer in the hands of bad people, but it originally meant they could use the seakings to take Noah and the Fishmen to the surface.
Tom was afraid of the potential of destruction Pluton had. Even the original shipwrights were afraid of how it was used. But maybe even Pluton had a good use intended by the Ancient kingdom (maybe Noah is even it’s prototype?).
So it really depends on how Oda wants to to with the Ancient Kingdom: were they creating huge destruction, and were stopped by the efforts of 20 good kingdoms, ego they were corrupted by power? Or was the Ancient Kingdom trying to change the world too much (maybe with Joy Boy going on a slave-freeing-world-tour) and the kingdoms rebelled and stopped the plans they had (which used the “weapons” for this “good” goal?).
But also, Oda deserves credit: he is more than able of creating nuanced and thought through social commentaries, so maybe nothing Will be this black or white. -
@Chams-0 said in Chapter 1086: The Five Elders:
Maybe the Ancient Weapons weren’t necessarily weapons at all. Poseidon is simply a person (mermaid) able to talk to seakings. It can clearly be used to destroy and conquer in the hands of bad people, but it originally meant they could use the seakings to take Noah and the Fishmen to the surface.
Tom was afraid of the potential of destruction Pluton had. Even the original shipwrights were afraid of how it was used. But maybe even Pluton had a good use intended by the Ancient kingdom (maybe Noah is even it’s prototype?).
So it really depends on how Oda wants to to with the Ancient Kingdom: were they creating huge destruction, and were stopped by the efforts of 20 good kingdoms, ego they were corrupted by power? Or was the Ancient Kingdom trying to change the world too much (maybe with Joy Boy going on a slave-freeing-world-tour) and the kingdoms rebelled and stopped the plans they had (which used the “weapons” for this “good” goal?).
But also, Oda deserves credit: he is more than able of creating nuanced and thought through social commentaries, so maybe nothing Will be this black or white.I think you're definitely onto something there. Just because we and present-day people in One Piece use terms like "Ancient Weapons" doesn't necessarily guarantee that people like Joy Boy and Toki would have used that exact term in their time.
For example, assuming Imu is from back then, what he calls a "Mother Flame" may (or may not) be "Ancient Weapon" to us.
Or if Shirahoshi is a Weapon because she command Sea Kings, then what stops someone from saying Momo is a Weapon because he commands Zunesha?
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I think Stephen had a nice theory on the livestream of the last OPP.
He draws some Katakana and Hiragana and explains along what different reading they get.
Maybe it’s worth a watch for you guys, who are interested in Imu’s name and what it could mean.Starts around the 2 hours mark.
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@The-Light-of-Shandora Very interesting stuff! Thanks for the link!
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Here it is in a more compact format, this certainly seems like too much to be a coincidence, so I think that's what Oda is going for.
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So is it possible Ethan might have a close link to Wano given his name, clothing, sword, and finance position?
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@electricmastro I see the possible link in name, clothes and sword (finance, less so, you've got me there), but if he is also a Celestial Dragon then this would imply one of the 20 founder family was from Wano. Whereas the Wano stance towards the World Government seems to have been enemies / non-aligned all along, including the Kozuki clan, rising a natural barrier and hiding an Ancient Weapon. Doesn't quite add up.
Unless this guy is somehow related to the Kurozumi clan feud and the duo who manipulated Orochi into grabbing power, and he then receeived the Saint title at a later date.
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@Seafarer33 said in Chapter 1086: The Five Elders:
@electricmastro I see the possible link in name, clothes and sword (finance, less so, you've got me there), but if he is also a Celestial Dragon then this would imply one of the 20 founder family was from Wano. Whereas the Wano stance towards the World Government seems to have been enemies / non-aligned all along, including the Kozuki clan, rising a natural barrier and hiding an Ancient Weapon. Doesn't quite add up.
Unless this guy is somehow related to the Kurozumi clan feud and the duo who manipulated Orochi into grabbing power, and he then receeived the Saint title at a later date.
I mention the finance part because Wano was known as the Country of Gold.
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In addition one of the 19 weapons is a japanese sword. The confusing thing is why the surname is Ethan-Baron instead of something more japanese.
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@Tarek said in Chapter 1086: The Five Elders:
In addition one of the 19 weapons is a japanese sword. The confusing thing is why the surname is Ethan-Baron instead of something more japanese.
Either he changed his name or that he grew up with a Wano heritage without being from Wano himself, like Zoro.
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But then you have someone like Fujitora, who looks very Japanese-esque, but apparently had no ties to Wano at all.
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@Johnny-B-Decent said in Chapter 1086: The Five Elders:
But then you have someone like Fujitora, who looks very Japanese-esque, but apparently had no ties to Wano at all.
He’s actually one of the characters I suspect whose parents or other family sailed away from Wano 55 years ago, with Zoro’s grandmother, and had a Wano upbringing as a result. I think similarly with characters like Tashigi, Ipponmatsu, Kumadori, and Sentomaru. There’s also Shiki, based on how Higurashi had a copy of Shiki’s face.
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So does Im suspect Vivi is the key to controlling an Ancient Weapon he might have, similar to Shirahoshi’s case? It might be that they have Uranus, but could only reproduce a clone called Mother Flame, and that Im would want Vivi on the basis of that.
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On mangaplus it says now that the chapter comes out on sunday july 16 instead monday like it did before. As far as I know the next jump issue is still supposed to come out on tuesday in japan so it's probably just a mistake but still keep an eye out on it if you only follow the official release.
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Since spoilers are tomorrow, I can finally do my binge of 1058-1086. I still don't think i'll change my mind on disliking the term - Godhead
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@Tarek said in Chapter 1086: The Five Elders:
On mangaplus it says now that the chapter comes out on sunday july 16 instead monday like it did before. As far as I know the next jump issue is still supposed to come out on tuesday in japan so it's probably just a mistake but still keep an eye out on it if you only follow the official release.
So it's actually not a mistake and the digital issue will indeed be published a day earlier than the physcial one for whatever reason.
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What, thats a first in WSJ history, right?
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@The-Light-of-Shandora Not long ago they digitally released a chapter days earlier (I think in a Friday) after a break. I think they do it because of piracy.
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@Deicide Now that's ironic.
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