Ok, no one posted it, so I'll do it.
Chapter 1074: Mark III
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I just love when Wapol is around. He’s terrible.
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Some random thoughts...
- It seems the cover story may be returning to the present soon. This one feels like a callback to Ch 1068's, which in turn spurred the flashback.
- Atlas being back up doesn't invalidate my theory on her being the rogue Punk, but it kinda goes against my expectations, as her being taken out was the perfect alibi.
- Oda has already set up how Pythagoras survives, lol. We know he can detach his head from the body as we saw in Ch 1065
- Vivi being safe (for now) was kinda lackluster, but seeing her with Morgans and Wapol of all people was a satisfying surprise.
- Chapter 1075 is likely a volume ender, so there's probably going to end with a big reveal or cliffhanger.
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Surprised to see vivi with Morgan's and wapol of all people.
Favorite small detail of the chapter is Nami trying to stomp on/kick? a knocked out Lucci. I say let her.
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I wonder who told morgan what happens on Egghead. Vivi and Wapol together like in old times is great. I suppose they have seen something they shouldn't have like Sabo.
About the Mark 3, do we know where does that name comes from ? I'm not sure what Oda wants to do with them. Will they be enemies like the Seraphims once Saturn arrives ?
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@Kdom said in Chapter 1074: Mark III:
About the Mark 3, do we know where does that name comes from ?
Mark <Number> is just a conventional way to express the version or generation of some technological device or program.
Mark 3 means this is the third generation of Pacifistas. Now, we don't know what Mark 2 looks like. Also, while it's implied the pre-TS prototypes are the "Mark 1", but usually prototype means a unfinished or test version, so there could be an unseen Mark 1 as well (I think they are Mark 1, thought, as they were mass-produced, and you don't usually mass-produce prototypes).
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@Deicide I think we are made to fill the gaps and assume that Mark 2 might be the Shiro Kuma (PX-Z) from Film Z, considering its unique designs and the fact that all Pacifistas should have come from Vegapunk in one way or the other. Maybe it won't even get clarified precisely because it involves dealing with non-canon material, or maybe it will come at some point like Blueno and Kalifa being CP0 agents as per Film Red.
On a separate note, as for who tipped Morgans all my money is on Caribou, even if it's unrelated to who's messing things up in Egghead right now.
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@Goukan I agree in both instances.
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Well this arc is definitely not near the end, but I doubt this arc will last the rest of the year. Looking like perhaps Kuma was originally a slave of the Celestial Dragon, at least that is my guess based on the silhouettes we saw in that brief flashback. Also, while not really having any huge proof, I am thinking Stussy could be the potential last straw hat.
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You know what, I thought about it and I think all Wapol really knows is who really killed Cobra (i.e. the Government). He probably witnessed the truth and that means that he now had to disappear.
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When CP0 arrived and Lucci spotted Luffy they contancted Navy HQ to let them know an emperor is present as they need clearance to engage with an emperor first. We saw Sakazuki hear the news the same chapter and so the call that reached Sakazuki was intercepted by Morgans somehow, I'm pretty sure that's how he knows about the Egghead events.
As for the Pacifista models - I thought the Seraphim are supposed to be Mark 2? That's also what the wiki implies at the moment.
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@NameWaster That would mean the Mark 3 is more advanced than the Seraphim, I don't think that's right.
I'd say the Seraphim is a different type of Pacifista, not new iterations of the older versions.
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Mark 1: The original Pacifica
Mark 2: If that police-looking one wasn't it, then we haven't seen them.
Mark 3: Introduced this chapter. -
@Deicide said in Chapter 1074: Mark III:
@Kdom said in Chapter 1074: Mark III:
About the Mark 3, do we know where does that name comes from ?
Mark <Number> is just a conventional way to express the version or generation of some technological device or program.
Thanks. It seems to be an anglo-saxon thing so no wonder i never heard it before :-)
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@Johnny-B-Decent That's just what I found weird. That we'd see a Mk 3 before 2
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Huh, it's weird how in Egghead Island both Bonney and now Stussy have integrated themselves in the so easily. They're just so at peace with the silliness of everyone around them. It's like they could be in the Strawhat crew if they wanted. Unlike Carrot. No, never Carrot...
Joking aside, it feels like everything is calm now, but we're building up to something explosive. I have to wonder when all these plot points will finally burst. We have a traitor, an oncoming army, and the Strawhat crew at the strongest they've ever been. This could break down a few ways, and who knows who ends up taking the most damage in the end.
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Okay, we're back, and despite the hype of a long-awaited Vivi appearance, this feels like a slow, transitional chapter with a lot of plot threads and mysteries building, but very little in the way of real answers.
It's good seeing Sentomaru has a little more to do in this arc than be just a one-scene callback, though the origins of the PX-III line's bubble shields certainly raise some questions. And assuming the original Pacifistas from back then are the MK. I versions, what did the MK. II ones look like? We also definitely need some clarification about whether these Pacifista follow the same authority hierarchy as the Seraphim. Because with 50 of them on the loose, Saturn is going to make this a pretty terrible situation for the crew when he arrives, as many of us have already predicted.
I'm glad Oda's taking the time to show how much even a brief activation of Gear Five wore Luffy out, even knowing that this effect is probably going to be applied selectively from this point on (and even if we're pretending he's just puffed out from running around on foot).
Vegapunk does seem to have well and truly vanished from the lab. Before the break I thought the narration might have just meant the larger group lost track of him while he was with Bonney, but he's nowhere to be seen when she comes out of the memory bubble. Might be that whoever hijacked the Frontier Dome picked him up. Contrary to most speculation, I don't think the insider here is going to be one of the Vegapunks. On the assumption that the enemy behind the walls has grabbed the Stella, most of the clones are accounted for during the window of opportunity. Shaka was in the control room with the Strawhats, Atlas was being repaired and Edison and Lilith were rushing to the front to hijack the Seraphim. I think we can also rule Pythagoras out, seeing him attacked at the end of this chapter. York doesn't have an alibi, but I'm just not convinced.
(Although I will admit Caribou is a compelling alternative culprit for Vegapunk's disappearance...)
Speaking of Atlas and Pythagoras, I think the former's quick repair job is reason enough not to worry for the latter. No matter how robotic these clones are and how rough the government gets with them, Oda seems them as human enough to preserve in his usual fashion.
Zoro and Brook getting proper Egghead outfits is nice. The helmet on Brook is fun, but that jacket is a great fit on Zoro. Stussy's change just serves to reiterate the difference in how male and female character designs are being treated in this arc though. It's not even a unique pervy outfit, she's basically just wearing the same thing as Nami. What a choice, for the jacket to be cropped up to her pits so it doesn't obscure any of that vital sideboob. Her original outfit was a much better design in my opinion.
All that grumbling aside, the panel after the outfit reveals is one of the best in the arc. Because it's not just a panel, it's a whole scene playing out in one frame, with something like sixteen characters all doing different things and playing off one another. The compositional awareness to spread so many characters across the fore, middle and background, to lead the eye across the page so that the interactions make sense and play out properly, is just stunning. It's the kind of spread few artists are willing to try on this scale, and fewer still could actually pull off on the same level.
Loved seeing the crew convincing Zoro to stay behind. Great character interactions. Good laugh.
The start of Kuma's memories don't offer much more than tantalising hints. I feel like the implication is that he was a slave once. Can't wait to see how Oda reconciles that with his present day reputation. And the tragedy of ending up right back where he started, assuming that is the case. The cutaway to the Redline seems to suggest that whatever his mission is there, it relates more directly to his past than it does anything that happened at the Reverie or with the Revolutionaries.
A Morgans-Wapol-Vivi teamup was not on my One Piece bingo card, but I'm a fan of it happening. I hope we get to see the circumstances that led to Wapol of all people taking Vivi in instead of handing her over to climb his own ladder. Following the pattern of the last few outside-Egghead cutaways, I'm not expecting any follow-up on this in the near future. But it's great setup, and good just to know Vivi's alright.
(The newsgirl with the crush on her in the back is a cute touch too!)
With the next chapter likely to be the end of volume 106, I'm hoping for a big reveal to pay off all this slow building. Maybe a just shift into the Egghead endgame with Borsalino and Saturn's arrival. And if we're really lucky we might even get the volume 105 cover alongside the chapter (or its spoilers) and potentially see some canon colours for the island or the new outfits.
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Wapol is going to be an unwilling member of the Strawhat Grand Fleet in the final battle and it's going to own.
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The Scientist trio fighting over who gets to be 2nd best is kinda weird. I was expected a kinda group agreement that Vegapunk is silly and overrated. Man, I just want to see a cover page showing Bakkins being a freeloader.
Well, as expected, despite having literally no reason to leave him alive, cp0 left Sentomaru alive, he's dragged himself off for first aid and is now brought out what seems to be the full armada of Egghead weaponry. The Cp0 grunts are all in 1 place for holding now. Hopefully these things follow the same authority system as the Seraphim. It'd be cool to see a line of 50 of these turn around and fire on the dome itself once Sailor Saturn shows up. According to the official translation, the forces are looping communications so Sento assumes he must already be considered a rebel or compromised. This is a better difference from the early translations that made it seem like Sento was outed yet.
Is Luffy's exhaustion just a gag or a sign of wear and tear finally starting to show? Who knows. It's good to see Luffy and Zoro left alone with the hostages. I hope Lucci and Kaku end up waking up soon as I'd very much enjoy the weirdness of them being stuck with nobody to interact with but those 2.
While this chapter technically accounts for vast majority of the cast here (Only Lilith, Caribou, and the Seraphim technically missing), it also sees everyone split up to search so technically we only really know a lock of the 4 mentioned above and where Bonney is. RIP Pythag (even though I'm kinda sure you'll have escaped); I hope at least every VP goes through an attacked moment at least once.
Not really anything to say on Bonney's update. At least we know now how the flashback is gonna work and that it's actually gonna take some time to play out. Also nothing really fishy looking going on in that room, so seems Apple punk really has gone missing.
Not sure where things are gonna go with the Vivi, Wapol, Morgans group now. Morgans seems pretty content to stay in the air and report as he sees fit, so something needs to happen to this group to compel him to head somewhere that will coincidentally cross paths close enough with the strawhats. That or Vivi needs an out to head off another way. Guess we'll wait and see with this development.
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I’m glad Sentomaru is alive, guy needs to show off that axe
I have no idea where his story is going from here
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Some more random thoughts:
- Luffy’s hover boots broke, so we can expect the hidden villain to lock everyone in place at some point, leaving only Luffy free. Well, Luffy, Lucci and Kaku. (And Caribou)
- There’s a wildly different dialogue from Sentomaru between unnofficial and official translations. In unofficial, he says the marines are repeatedly trying to contact him, not knowing he rebelled. In official, he says the marines are repeating comunications to hide updates from him. I’m trying to find which version is more accurate, as I think this dialogue may be important later. Particularly, I feel the unofficial matches the panel with the den den mushi better, as it seems it’s getting calls but not answering them.
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There's just something I find very wholesome about Zoro and Luffy just hanging out on the couch.
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@Deicide said in Chapter 1074: Mark III:
I feel the unofficial matches the panel with the den den mushi better, as it seems it’s getting calls but not answering them.
I think the kzzr is meant to indicate that Sentomaru isn't able to get any messages. Like he's trying to listen into the Marine's plans uing their line but can't seem to pick anything up. That's why he has the Pacifista go and look out for the Marines instead, because he doesn't know what their plan is.
It would be good to ask a Japanese speaker though to double check this.
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@black-leg-jex Sandman just clarified to me on Twitter that the official translation is the accurate one.
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50 Pacifista, eh? That's a very elaborate way of saying "fodder".
Also I'm gonna repeat what I said in one of the previous chapter threads. Shaka is sus AF. There's no way he's been monitoring Bonney all this time without witnessing what she did to the Stella. Also I wonder if Usopp staring a bit at Shaka's console has some deeper meaning that will come into play later or if he's just interested.
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Lol everyone thinks it’s Shaka and I agree
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It would be funny if Shaka betrays Vegapunk because as the "Good" aspect, he's disgusted by how amoral he is.
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Shaka is deeply disgusted that Vegapunk's refusal to give people who come to his island pants.
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Crucially, we now have confirmation that there are more Pacifista than Battle Franky models.
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@Cyan-D-Funk Shaka, when the walls fell.
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@Razh said in Chapter 1074: Mark III:
@Cyan-D-Funk Shaka, when the walls fell.
A man of cuture I see.
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@Ivotas said in Chapter 1074: Mark III:
50 Pacifista, eh? That's a very elaborate way of saying "fodder".
Depends on who fights them. Usopp and Nami would still be struggling against them, maybe Brook and Robin as well. But yeah, these Pacifistas are going to be stomped by someone or something.
@Ivotas said in Chapter 1074: Mark III:
Also I'm gonna repeat what I said in one of the previous chapter threads. Shaka is sus AF. There's no way he's been monitoring Bonney all this time without witnessing what she did to the Stella.
I don't think he's been monitoring Bonney all this time, but rather that when they found out Stella was missing, he quickly found Bonney through the monitors.
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@Ivotas said in Chapter 1074: Mark III:
There's no way he's been monitoring Bonney all this time without witnessing what she did to the Stella.
Exactly. That whole "Bonney? She's been here this whole time" thing was odd in general. Is that really just there to make a gag out of Luffy's search for her?
Or is it just to tell the reader "Bonney is still here but Stella alone is missing" which makes it seem he didn't enter the memory bubble along with Bonney like I initially thought. In that case, Stella was taken by the traitor while Bonney was briefly in the bubble as seen in this chapter and so she also missed how that happened and who did it.
Another thing I forgot until I reread all of Egghead the other day (which feels early but I still really needed it lol):
Stella-Punk has the ability to teleport/vanish into thin air, we saw him do that before the CP0 clash. Maybe he used that to hide now. Although it's unclear to me if that's a warp or Invisibility - it used the same effect as Absalom & Sanji. -
So they have at least 50 brand new stronger Pacifistas, plus all the old ones and the Seraphim. That's gonna be quite the mini army for them in the final war.
It's good to see VIvi back. I guess i was wrong about the Revo's saving her way back. I guess it would make sense for Morgans to have been the 1 to save her. How ironic Wapol and Vivi ended up together, 1 is a gutless coward and Vivi is brave and never afraid to speak her mind.
So Kuma was a slave of the CD's in the past? I wonder if he actually is a "D" as well, the lives of those that have that name is always filled with tragedy.
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@NameWaster said in Chapter 1074: Mark III:
Stella-Punk has the ability to teleport/vanish into thin air, we saw him do that before the CP0 clash. Maybe he used that to hide now. Although it's unclear to me if that's a warp or Invisibility - it used the same effect as Absalom & Sanji.
It's a warp. That's how he ended up half-fused into the iron giant in his first appearance, he warped wrong. Then he used it to travel to the dome, where everyone was surprised how fast he reached there.
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Cute little detail that the tired Luffy is just like Vegapunk, with the huge tongue sticking out.
When Vivi returned for the Reverie mini arc she was totally sidelined for a character the fans love and consider to be a true strawhat. I wished she had been a protagonist for that mini arc, but instead we followed Shirahoshi around and saw the world of the humans through her eyes (which was great!). But I still hoped Vivi would come back to the story. As I reread the last page I have no idea what to expect of Vivi hiding with Morgans. Are they going to Egghead, where she and Bonney will talk about Sabo and Imu? Will Vivi finally rejoin the main story or not?
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I feel the Vivi reveal is not going to pay off for quite a while. Much like Law vs Blackbeard, Garp rescuing Koby and Kid reaching Elbaf, it's setting up future arcs.
As for Ch 1075: It's a volume ender, so I think it ends in a big twist, revelation or cliffhanger.
Maybe:
- Villain reveal
- Villain remains hidden, but shows a major trump card (like springing a trap and starting his master plan)
- Known epic character joins the arc
I'm leaning towards the second one. Maybe the entirety of Egghead island goes awry. Someone contacts the Seraphim, the Pacifistas start behaving weirdly, the hover boots trap characters in place...
We may get the villain's dialogue for the first time, with or without face reveal.
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@Deicide said in Chapter 1074: Mark III:
@NameWaster said in Chapter 1074: Mark III:
Stella-Punk has the ability to teleport/vanish into thin air, we saw him do that before the CP0 clash. Maybe he used that to hide now. Although it's unclear to me if that's a warp or Invisibility - it used the same effect as Absalom & Sanji.
It's a warp. That's how he ended up half-fused into the iron giant in his first appearance, he warped wrong. Then he used it to travel to the dome, where everyone was surprised how fast he reached there.
Auger's warp has a very distinctive "pop" effect whereas Vegapunk disappearing in front of Luffy used the exact same SFX/VFX as the Clear Clear Fruit, Queen's and Sanji's Raid Suit's invisiblity. Considering that consistency and Vegapunk's lack of control over his warp it is much more likely that Vegapunk used invisibility in that scene.
He might have warped to the Labophase afterwards, but his quick appearance up there can also be explained with the Vacuum Rocket which takes only 32 seconds. In that time Luffy picked up Bonney, left the hidden cave, ran into Lucci, discovered Atlas' damaged state and started fighting which is when Vegapunk made it to the monitors -
I'm surprised nobody questions the presence of a traitor when it is the second time their security is hijacked.
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@Coookie said in Chapter 1074: Mark III:
Auger's warp has a very distinctive "pop" effect whereas Vegapunk disappearing in front of Luffy used the exact same SFX/VFX as the Clear Clear Fruit, Queen's and Sanji's Raid Suit's invisiblity. Considering that consistency and Vegapunk's lack of control over his warp it is much more likely that Vegapunk used invisibility in that scene.
Maybe you are right, but I'd like to point out that Oda also used the invisibility sfx for Sanji moving fast against Queen.
Also, Vegapunk's technology-based warp may be different in nature from Augur's DF-based one. I imagine Augur just making people pop in/out of places in small explosion-like effects, while Vegapunk's warp is more like a Star Trek one in which the person slowly vanishes from one place and appears in another.
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Jinbe called it and this guy just laughs it off. Now he's "missing" and there's a traitor.
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inb4 the Stella is the traitor and he's trying to get rid of his own satellites
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Vegapunk is using to different ability 1. invisibility and 2. teleportation
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Still not really feeling this arc, but not a bad chapter.
Liked the little background detail of Robin trying to stop Nami kicking an unconscious Lucci, it seem's like it's so rare to get any indicator that those two are actually friends.But what's up with Luffy? Him repeatedly imitating the Vega-tongue thing is getting weird.
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I like the Caribou being the culprit theory better than the traitor theory.
He might not work alone but he has the power to make someone disappear.
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@fana said in Chapter 1074: Mark III:
I like the Caribou being the culprit theory better than the traitor theory.
He might not work alone but he has the power to make someone disappear.It just doesn't work.
- He just arrived, by happenstance
- There's no way he has the knowledge about the place or its tech to cause everything we know so far
- He lacks any motivation to do those things, as we know he's terrified of being in a government and just wants to get off it ASAP.
- He's an idiot and a coward
At best, you could say he was recruited by the villain, but then it's back to square one: who's the villain? It must be one of the Vegapunks, because no one else has been introduced so far.
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Hey friends, I know no one's a huge fan of youtube channels and other social media being plugged in forum discussions, but I've experimented with recording my review post and wanted to share the attempt.
There are definitely things in the presentation and editing I want to improve on next time, and it's going to be a definite hustle to get a video together between the official release drop and the hype cycle moving on to the next chapter's spoilers, but I've taken the first step, and that tends to be the hardest one.
Hope you all enjoy.
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@Captain-M Some tidbits:
- I felt your voice a little too monothonic, you should space more between topics, and try to show more enthusiasm for the parts you want to highlight.
- Read your text a few times so you can predict what you are talking next and be more natural.
- I don't know if it would be good for you, but to me at least I prefer to just write bullet points on what to talk, and improvise the details. Like write just: "Stussy outfit: bad; simillar to others" to remember to talk about it, but what I actually say is spontaneous. It ends looking more like a talk and less like a script.
- You should position the camera in a way you look at it more frequently. It feels you are looking away from the camera, so that you are speaking to your audience rather than just reading a text.