He can move islands because it's his devil fruit power. Anything he touches can float. There are much weaker characters in the series with far more busted devil fruit powers than Shiki (Perona and Sugar for example)
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He can move islands because it's his devil fruit power. Anything he touches can float. There are much weaker characters in the series with far more busted devil fruit powers than Shiki (Perona and Sugar for example)
His Devil Fruit power is not lifting islands. His Devil Fruit power is lifting things. Size and scope of what one can do with a DF ability seems to be in line with a characters mastery of said ability, which further seems to be closely connected to their very own strenght. Unless you are trying to tell me that someone like Chimey for example could make island float like Shiki did without any necessity to improve and master the ability in the first place. Wouldn't that actually go against the entire point you're trying to prove when you say that Crocodile has mastered his ability so far that he awakened it already?
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A minimum control of Haki is nothing I'm having a problem with, as it would be a very good prerequisite for Crocodile to grow to the level he seemingly is now. What I'm having a problem with is the implication that his Haki skills are on a high enough level for us to conclude Luffy shouldn't have been able to defeat him.Enel also had Haki. But him calling it Matra shows he has a very limited understanding of how far he can go with it. Again fruitfull ground for improvement and have him come back stronger at a later point. But it does not mean that Luffy shouldn't have been able to defeat him. What Enel did with Haki is nowhere near the level what people in the New World can do. Thus him losing to Luffy is acceptable. If we're saying Crocodile is similar then I'm not disagreeing at all. But I disagree with it being so developed that Luffy shouldn't have been able to defeat him.
As far as him "turning to sand" is concerned however. That doesn't seem to be something that requires triggering a milisecond before an incoming impact. He might aswell have his body in Logia defence mode as soon as a fight begins. But we only see what it actually does when someone does try to touch him.
I'm gonna use the Burning Blood game here to explain what I mean. Disclaimer ahead, I don't say the game proves anything. I just use it as an example the explain what I'm talking about. In this game you have a button where you can activate the Logia defense for a Logia character. If you don't hold that button incoming attacks hit you. If you do incoming attacks phase through you. The thing is that you can keep the button pressed and have the defence up even if there's no attack coming in. It's just a strategy to play it safe in case your opponent surprises you with an attack.
To bring this back to the actual story. It would seem a safer approach to keep a Logia defense up as much as possible and not rely to it being a "just before impact thing". Of course one is free to make it a last second thing but that seems unnecessary IMO. And if a Logia user has Observation Haki then it would make more sense to use it in a situation where the Logia defence has been overcome and their defensive strategies now have to shift to dodging. Using OH in a lesser necessary situation where you can rely on the DF and completely abandon it when it can compensate for the DF being overcome sounds like a very bad battle strategy.
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@Ivotas Oh, I think it made sense for Luffy to defeat him back then, both for meta reasons and for in-story reasons.
The meta reasons are obvious, it was meant to be a shorter series, a ton of haki concepts hadn't been fully developed, etc.
The in story reasons are that Luffy, like most protagonists, was the right person at the right time. He was persistent enough against an opponent that was in a confortable bubble. Croc was very strong, specially for the part of the world he was in, so he wouldn't grow stronger just killing mooks over and over again, and he was searching for a super weapon so I'm guessing he didn't train at the gym daily like Zoro.
He was very confident, he did leave Luffy for dead once, he had won... until Luffy kept getting back up and became the first person in, I'm guessing, a few years to actually punch him in the face.Let's not forget that this worlds "magic aura" literally means Ambition and it usually fits really well when you talk about it that way. In Arabasta, Croc had ambition but it was to use others and to use outside weapons to augment his power, not the ambition for himself to grow stronger like Luffy has. And he completly lost his ambition when he was defeated, most of Baroque Works escaped jail before reaching Impel Down yet he choose to stay because he felt like he had nothing else to do. Then when there is a breakout in ID he sees a new reason to get a life and gets a renewd Ambition hence he gets stronger, and now that he got his mojo back he's the pirate the WG feared he could become when they offered him the shichibukai position.
And since I touched on ID, I too don't think Croc trained or got stronger in ID. First because of what I just said about ambition, he only cared when he saw an opportunity he considered worthwhile, and two because while we saw the torture methods on the other floors and how they had to work and perform tasks, we saw not even an hint of that on Level 6, because the people on Level 6 shouldn't even exist and are being erased from history for being mean and strong. I'm certain those prisioners were beaten and abused but the WG isn't trying to teach them a lesson like the other prisoners, they want them out of reach at all costs, they get jailed all day everyday so to not risk an escape chance.
And Enel was a great example of what Crocodile complained, fruit-users getting lazy.
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I'm gonna skip the Haki discussion as it seems we are actually on the same page unless I'm utterly mistaken in which case please feel free to correct me. That said, I'm gonna move to the Impel Down argument.There's a difference between training to get stronger and getting stronger through hardships. The former is something that wouldn't really apply for Crocodile because as you said, he has lost his ambition. The latter however is something that makes sense for Crocodile in Impel Down for two reasons:
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It's highly unlikely that the Level 6 inmates, who are labeled as worst criminals in the world to be all hunky dory with each other. It's more likely that they do what people in these situations usually do: beat each other up to estalish their dominance. Didn't one of the first shots of the inside of Impel Down even show prisoners doing exactly that inside their cells?
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The Impel Down staff is oblidged to do something to break them. Not for the sake of reforming them BUT for the sake of actually making sure these guys stay erased from history (which is an idiotic concept to begin with as their crimes don't disappear by locking them away and never talk about them again). If you leave those guys relaxing in their cells without actively doing something to break them you are just inviting them to find ways to cause problems or even attempt to break out. Keeping the worst criminals in the world all gathered at one place and letting them chill just strikes me as very counter productive.
To bring this back to Crocodile. Did he train to get stronger? No, I would agree he didn't as he himself said that he has lost any interest in the outside world until he heard that there's a chance to go for Whitebeards head. But that doesn't mean that Impel Down isn't confronting him with situations where he has to toughen up by necessity. Be that through "trial by fire" where the prison's torture methods toughen him up or be it by fighting with other inmates to not become someone's bitch. After all, this is the worst cell block in the worlds biggest prison and not a holiday resort. It's not far fetched to assume that he is facing some serious hardships there. Especially since he's a former Warlord who all generally seem to be despised by pirates and other criminals as they are considered to be goverment lapdogs.
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@Ivotas Yeah, we agree on the haki part, I was giving my personal reasons for why I agree and I guess it got a bit long. ^_^'
As for ID, I do get what you mean, and I do believe the guards would beat and torture even the Level 6 prisioners, but I wouldn't compare Luffy jail time and growth in Wano to the deepest level of ID.
We do see the power struggles and dominance being asserted on the first five floors, which look like a "normal" prison with torture and such. But, at least to me, Level 6 has a different vibe. We do see the power hungry and desperate inmates but we also see those who are cool and relaxed, like Croc was, or even Ace, Jinbei, and Shiryu. Those that don't have to fight for power, they already have it. I doubt every Level 6 prisioner was able to withstand the boiling pot without screaming in pain.
And it was also a stylistic choice, for a reveal later down the line, but notice that when Blackbeard announced he would take the strongest inmantes with him we don't actually see anyone who went with him in the end. We see those who are so exited they practically salivate at the thought, those who are grabbing the bars, those are the weak ones, the strong ones were sitting on the back of the cells, chilling.
So I don't think Croc had to fight that much while on ID to prove his worth. Some dipshit tried to take his pudding at lunch during the first day, Crocodile took care of it in a way that the other inmates would get the message, and no one tried to take his pudding away again. That's my headcannon. -
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Oh I wasn't complaining about the lenghty post. Far the opposite. I read it all and think we concluded that aspected. Just wanted to make sure you don't think I'm ignoring what you saidAbout Impel Down. I wasn't implying that Luffy's and Crocs situations are exactly the same as Impel Down is a prison at core while Udon is a prison and a working camp that makes the prisoners work till they die. I was trying to show that even in One Piece prisons reflect real life prisons and other fictional universes prisons if we are actually given time to see the inmates lives. For the Level 6 prisoners we really did not have the time to see anything but that one timeframe of where they were all in their cellblocks. I find it hard to conclude that this means they are doing nothing but sitting in their cells. Seems like rather a chill punishment considering them being the worst of the worst.
Even in the real world and in other fictional prison stories there is a time window where nothing is happening to anyone. That doesn't mean however that everything is easy and laid back. Same here. We don't see Crocodile, Jinbei, Ace, Shiryu and everyone else chill in Level 6 at different times. They are all in their cells at the same time. This might as well mean that we are witnessing is regular cell time, even if this were normal circumstances.
However the circumstances are anything but normal. The WG is preparing for an incoming attack from Whitebeard with his objective being held in prisoner in Level 6. On top of that they also have to show Boa Hancock around the very same Level 6. And if that is not enough, only a short while after they go red alert because Luffy is causing a big ruckuss as an intruder. Keeping all prisoners within their cells during this specific timeframe strikes as a valid course of action. Doesn't mean that that's how the Level 6 prisoners are treated 24/7 every day of the year.
As far as Crocodile having a high enough status to not have defend himself I would disagree. He just as Jinbe is a former Warlord (Jinbe still being one at that point). The Warlords have times and again been depicted to be hated by other pirates and possibly other criminals as they are considered to be government dogs. If anything it's fair game to assume that these targets have huge targets on their back.
Does that mean everybody in Level 6 is able to take them on? Nah, I do think that. But there should be quite a number of guys who could/would. Remember the scene where Crocodile speaks about "silver medalists". We see the entire cell block going crazy at the thought of taking on Whitebeard of all people. Thinking that those guys would leave Crocodile alone out of respect should they be put in the same cell or torture room just seems unlikely.
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Haven't seem any films beside Strong World, which I enjoyed but wasn't particularly impressed about.
Luffy breaking Shiki does break immersion however you try to spin it, because even if he is old and unmotivated, the portrayal of Rayleigh and Whitebeard as absolute gods who should be able to solo the entire SH crew by farting on them makes that a bit too much of a stretch. I get trauma has an effect here, but it's like an ant beating an elephant. It just can't realistically happen. And post-TS power creep makes it even worse in retrospect imo. Well it doesn't quite ruin the movie but it makes it feel a bit cheap in the end.
Also the concept of anime movies hasn't appealed to me since I watched Naruto and FMA (first anime) movies back in the 2000s and they weren't really good either.
However, from this discussion, my take is that I need to watch both movie 6 and Z, because apparently they bothered to engage in unconvential storytelling and do controvertial things so they are most than just a long filler episode.
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@Dragon-D-Luffy said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
However, from this discussion, my take is that I need to watch both movie 6 and Z, because apparently they bothered to engage in unconvential storytelling and do controvertial things so they are most than just a long filler episode.
From that perspective I'd second that you should give those a go. If you enjoy early One Piece where it was more about simple adventures and not everything had to be connected to Warlords, Emperors, Legends and/or Sabos then I really recommend movie 4. It really falls flat in the second half but the first half has the old One Piece flair.
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@Ivotas said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
@FolhaS
Oh I wasn't complaining about the lenghty post. Far the opposite. I read it all and think we concluded that aspected. Just wanted to make sure you don't think I'm ignoring what you saidAbout Impel Down. I wasn't implying that Luffy's and Crocs situations are exactly the same as Impel Down is a prison at core while Udon is a prison and a working camp that makes the prisoners work till they die. I was trying to show that even in One Piece prisons reflect real life prisons and other fictional universes prisons if we are actually given time to see the inmates lives. For the Level 6 prisoners we really did not have the time to see anything but that one timeframe of where they were all in their cellblocks. I find it hard to conclude that this means they are doing nothing but sitting in their cells. Seems like rather a chill punishment considering them being the worst of the worst.
Even in the real world and in other fictional prison stories there is a time window where nothing is happening to anyone. That doesn't mean however that everything is easy and laid back. Same here. We don't see Crocodile, Jinbei, Ace, Shiryu and everyone else chill in Level 6 at different times. They are all in their cells at the same time. This might as well mean that we are witnessing is regular cell time, even if this were normal circumstances.
However the circumstances are anything but normal. The WG is preparing for an incoming attack from Whitebeard with his objective being held in prisoner in Level 6. On top of that they also have to show Boa Hancock around the very same Level 6. And if that is not enough, only a short while after they go red alert because Luffy is causing a big ruckuss as an intruder. Keeping all prisoners within their cells during this specific timeframe strikes as a valid course of action. Doesn't mean that that's how the Level 6 prisoners are treated 24/7 every day of the year.
As far as Crocodile having a high enough status to not have defend himself I would disagree. He just as Jinbe is a former Warlord (Jinbe still being one at that point). The Warlords have times and again been depicted to be hated by other pirates and possibly other criminals as they are considered to be government dogs. If anything it's fair game to assume that these targets have huge targets on their back.
Does that mean everybody in Level 6 is able to take them on? Nah, I do think that. But there should be quite a number of guys who could/would. Remember the scene where Crocodile speaks about "silver medalists". We see the entire cell block going crazy at the thought of taking on Whitebeard of all people. Thinking that those guys would leave Crocodile alone out of respect should they be put in the same cell or torture room just seems unlikely.
My point wasn't that Crocodile didn't need to defend himself, it was that he established his place in the pecking order early on.
Sure, he would have to defend himself from time to time, but he's the kind of guy who would use every single one of those interactions to send a message to rest, so he could relax a bit more.But you do raise fair points regarding the Level 6 prisioners being all locked up. It was a couple of atypicall days, it's fair to assume there could much more going on Level 6 than we know.
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That I agree with absolutely. New inmates have to establish their place early on. Doesn't mean though that it's a one and done thing. There's different ways how to handle defeat. Some guys give up while others try again and again. This is a prison after all, so there's all kinds off sneaky possibilities how one would want to pay Crocodile back. We've seen Ace of all people actively trying to murder Whitebeard in his sleep. I have no doubts that amongst the worst criminals in the world there is no shortage of characters who could do far worse to pay Crocodile back.The silver medalist thing just shows that Level 6 is full of guys who would like to have a second chance to pay Newgate back. I find it hard to believe that guys like this would be "yep, you've beaten me fair and square. I will leave you alone from now on" if Crocodile established his dominance. That's neither not how it works in real life nor how the inmates have been portrayed in the few brief panels they actually are allowed to show what kind of guys they are.
Also (more of a joke notion) if they might fight amongst each other out if sheer boredom. Especially if we would go with the idea that they don't do anything but remain in their cells. There's a lot if testosterone in Level 6 after all.^^
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@Ivotas Oh, I wasn't thinking Crocodile would beat them up and let them live in shame. Oh no, Croc straight up murdered people the first time we saw him. And he activily killed Luffy, stabbing him through the chest, and left him for dead in a quicksand. If not for outside assistance (Robin) Luffy would be 100% dead.
Crocodile absolutely killed anyone who tried to attack him in ID.
And yeah, I could see other inmates fighting amongst themselves just out of boredom but not Croc, he's not the kind of guy to do things out of boredom.
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@Ivotas Oh, I wasn't thinking Crocodile would beat them up and let them live in shame. Oh no, Croc straight up murdered people the first time we saw him. And he activily killed Luffy, stabbing him through the chest, and left him for dead in a quicksand. If not for outside assistance (Robin) Luffy would be 100% dead.
Very likely he would go for the kill. But there's the slight chance that he himself would like to dominate someone to have under him, but that's not a hill I consider worth dying on.
However another thing we can't rule out is that Level 6 must have quite a number of tough guys that won't go down as easily. Even if he goes for the kill, he might end up "only" injuring them.
Crocodile absolutely killed anyone who tried to attack him in ID.
Well, we've seen him take on the weaker fodder from the upper levels. We haven't seen him take on any of the supposed worst criminals in the world. Criminals Teach considered be worthy to set up an a big elaborate plan do defend have a chance to recruit some of them.
And yeah, I could see other inmates fighting amongst themselves just out of boredom but not Croc, he's not the kind of guy to do things out of boredom.
He wouldn't. But he would still have to fend off whoever would want a piece of him. He doesn't have to be interested in it himself to do that.
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Am I the only one who’s sad that after there bonding in the cover story Lucci and Kaku seem to have left all the other members of CP9?
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Nope, it's not just you. Especially if we consider that scumbag weakling Spandam is still around. But that could be thanks to political influence by him and/or his father. But if strenght and skill is anything to go by, one wouls expect they kept at least Jabra around. :( -
https://www.onepiece-film.jp/info/1938/
Unless google translate is lying/bad it it says Oda and Goro will have an SBS about Film Red on November 5th
Guess any canonicity could/can be clarified here. @Greg
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It's possible they could address it directly, but it would be a first for Oda. If they don't bring it up at all without even so much as sly half-answers, consider the events non-canon.
Related note, given the creditless ending confirmations of the album title, the newspaper suggestion, and the general overall mood/treatment of a certain character, I do think their fate is what it seems to be as pulling back after seeing how hard they doubled down would be severe Pell territory.
The nice thing about the story right now is, you never know for sure! Oda is finally handling the fate of his characters in a way where we can never be too sure one way or the other.
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@The-B-Mack It was published in One Piece Blue Deep as well. Depending on where you live and what languages you speak, you might be lucky. France and Germany have it, but I don't think there is an official english version of the book available.
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@Mr-Prinz @The-B-Mack It's also part of Box Set 2, Skypiea to Water Seven, Vol. 24 - 46.
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@Greg do you know what happened with Bogard? He seemed to be Garp's rhm but he's hasn't appeared in the story since post enies lobby and wasn't even shown during marineford war.
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Nice to see One Piece inspire Yakuza series like this!
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Since Garp is retired, Bogard probably doesn't have to hang around him anymore.
He's one of those characters who can be like....the astronaut with the gun, or just some dude Oda looked cool.
I tend to think the latter but I'm rooting for anyone holding out hope!
HAH! That's funny about LaD. I'm just playing it now and they keep throwing 'nakama' around so yeah, I got that vibe very much purely in terms of their interactions.
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I'd imagine Luffy and Ichiban would get along together quite well as friends. Both big dreamers who dress in red and love meat.
And that Sanji would perv on Saeko.
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@Greg said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
Since Garp is retired, Bogard probably doesn't have to hang around him anymore.
He's one of those characters who can be like....the astronaut with the gun, or just some dude Oda looked cool.
I tend to think the latter but I'm rooting for anyone holding out hope!
HAH! That's funny about LaD. I'm just playing it now and they keep throwing 'nakama' around so yeah, I got that vibe very much purely in terms of their interactions.
I like Bogard as an archtype character, the big guy's right hand that keeps mostly to himself but has their moment to shine. Like Inazuma and Ivankov.
I'd like seeing Bogart show up once more, next time we see Garp and the old man needs some help on some minor but important issue. And then he finally takes off his sunglasses and says something cool. (in classic flavour OP his cool quote would be undermined by his weird looking eyes)@The-Light-of-Shandora said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
Greg posted something interesting on twitter, its 4 pages of notes.
That's the link for anyone interested!
TLTR events of the current cover story, Pudding awakening her power and possible she manipulated Big Mom and at last Black Beard showing up at Elbaf to destroy the tree.Thanks for sharing the twitter threads.
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Streusen is 1 of my favort WCI arc characters, so I like these allegations.
I disagree with it for now tho. Yes, he is bound by self interest, but i'm not satisfied with the amount of story details that may back this speculation up.
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@The-Light-of-Shandora very interesting read. I can only hope Oda will take the time to unravel all the unknowns in a satisfying manner.
As for Kuzan and whoever is with him in chapter 1046 cover, I'd think Kuzan is the one on the right, since he's wearing high heeled boots nowadays. And the left person could be either Augur or Laffitte. Both have pants and shoes with coats now. Felt like Laffitte would be more useful for the mission, considering his hypnotist ability, but now that we've seen Auger can teleport, who knows. Do kinda doubt his ability allows him to traverse such distances easily.
Assuming cover story time is parallel to chapter time, of course.
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Interesting read indeed.
I'm not sure I want /need to hear again about Big Mom and the giants, though. Now that Wano has come and gone, she has had her time to shine (twice !) and there's plenty more plot threads to wrap up without adding the cumbersome Charlotte family on top.
At this point I would be fine if her crime towards the orphan children was exactly what the story suggests (blind cannibalism) but it remained unspeakable and unspoken. If really Oda needs to spell everything out it could still be briefly alluded to over a couple pages much the same way we heard about Zoro's Shimotsuki heritage, but beyond that I don't feel there is added value to it being anything other than what it looks like.
Plus, the reasons for giant hate towards Big Mom that we currently know of are more than enough to satisfy me. Committed an unspeakable crime, killed a renowned hero of the giant nation, failed wedding with Loki because Lola ran away... Will it change anything of the final result if the runaway bride was Pudding ? Not that much, really. So I'd rather the story focused on other topics. -
I don't mind more Big Mom or Kaido. Big Mom is a terrific character and Kaido still has the potential to be Oda's best written villain if he's fleshed out a bit more.
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Re: Augur warping
The extent of his abilities are unknown but two years ago he was able to take out the gulls without even an island in sight so it stands to reason he can cover significant distances in a very short time.
I'm not saying instant island-hopping just yet, but 'in-between island-hopping' at least seems viable.
As for Charlottes in the spotlight, it's not about Mom. Mom lost and that's her battle. It's about the family and their story at this point. Regardless of Mom, the family themselves are an interesting crew of characters and Mom can guide them one way or the other. With it looking increasingly likely that Pudding will play a major role and that in turn means Sanji will have motivation and thereby the Strawhats, it's less a matter of if, than when now.
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Been feeling like Oda has something in store for Smoothie. Snack was used to buff up Urouge. The other 2 lost to Nika Man. Smoothie can grow, so she can fit Elbaf material if needed. I think she is top dog on the ship that attacked Cipher Pol anyway.
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Will this turn into a Naruto thing, like at the epilogue of that all the Kages got replaced by the next generation (except Gaara)
Instead we’ll have Katakuri taking over for Big Mom, Yamato taking over for Kaido, and Uta for Shanks?
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@Greg said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
Re: Augur warping
The extent of his abilities are unknown but two years ago he was able to take out the gulls without even an island in sight so it stands to reason he can cover significant distances in a very short time.
I'm not saying instant island-hopping just yet, but 'in-between island-hopping' at least seems viable.
So you believe the BB pirates already had their fruits back then?
From some of the dialogue of the latest chapters, or at least the translations, there seems to be a chance that the devil fruit powers they showed are something they stole/collected more recently.Also, in Jaya Van Auger is shown sitting on a roof of the island right after taking the seagulls out.
Not saying it's impossible for him to have teleported into the ocean and then back but the scene seems to favor the "great sniper" angle. Even Usopp wonders what thecniques a sniper would need to have to take such a shot (a question he answered in Dressrosa)
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@FolhaS he just meant Augur has incredible eyesight and if his sight range is his devil fruit limit he'd be able to jump pretty far in short amount of time, as long as there's something to stand on. Well I assume he can't air jump multiple times easily.
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With Big Mom and Perospero possibly gone, the Big Mom Pirates can follow Katakuri and join the Strawhats.
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@FolhaS Some of them? Yep.
@FolhaS said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
From some of the dialogue of the latest chapters, or at least the translations, there seems to be a chance that the devil fruit powers they showed are something they stole/collected more recently.
Sure! I don't disagree.
@FolhaS said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
Also, in Jaya Van Auger is shown sitting on a roof of the island right after taking the seagulls out. Not saying it's impossible for him to have teleported into the ocean and then back but the scene seems to favor the "great sniper" angle.
Right, that doesn't change anything though. Either way he's a great sniper. I think you jumped to the conclusion that he teleported out but it's just as likely that he saw the seagulls and teleported his bullets. It's equally impressive.
@FolhaS said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
And when BB goes after Luffy right before the Knock-Up stream, if Van Auger could already teleport backthen he should have used it the same way he did this past chapter.
Having fruit powers? I think it's entirely possible. But whether it was awakened two years ago or not is a different issue. Even if he could teleport bullets, that doesn't necessarily mean he can teleport ships.
And tbh, for all we know, that's exactly how the BB crew eventually got out of that pinch stranded at sea.
I believe either option exists! But, for now, personally I see Augur having had his ability back then.
Well I assume he can't air jump multiple times easily.
I actually believe this to be the case if he jumped out there himself. It's essentially another way of flying without flying.
Will this turn into a Naruto thing
More or less. New cast/crew will be the kids from each island they met/inspired.
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Usopp has to manage obstacles that might block his vision and windspeeds, but now this guy can teleport the projectile at any moment. It can be 2 inches from his the front of his face 1 second, then coming from a different direction the next.
Oda will have to top Nen and Byakugan when it comes to awareness. Oda gives his hardest battles to his strongest soldiers.
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@FolhaS Some of them? Yep.
@FolhaS said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
From some of the dialogue of the latest chapters, or at least the translations, there seems to be a chance that the devil fruit powers they showed are something they stole/collected more recently.
Sure! I don't disagree.
@FolhaS said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
Also, in Jaya Van Auger is shown sitting on a roof of the island right after taking the seagulls out. Not saying it's impossible for him to have teleported into the ocean and then back but the scene seems to favor the "great sniper" angle.
Right, that doesn't change anything though. Either way he's a great sniper. I think you jumped to the conclusion that he teleported out but it's just as likely that he saw the seagulls and teleported his bullets. It's equally impressive.
@FolhaS said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
And when BB goes after Luffy right before the Knock-Up stream, if Van Auger could already teleport backthen he should have used it the same way he did this past chapter.
Having fruit powers? I think it's entirely possible. But whether it was awakened two years ago or not is a different issue. Even if he could teleport bullets, that doesn't necessarily mean he can teleport ships.
And tbh, for all we know, that's exactly how the BB crew eventually got out of that pinch stranded at sea.
I believe either option exists! But, for now, personally I see Augur having had his ability back then.
Well I assume he can't air jump multiple times easily.
I actually believe this to be the case if he jumped out there himself. It's essentially another way of flying without flying.
Will this turn into a Naruto thing
More or less. New cast/crew will be the kids from each island they met/inspired.
You're right on one thing, I was assuming Van Auger would teleport himself but teleporting bullets is not only possible but also pretty cool.
But on the matter of them chasing the StrawHats you're the one who jumped to conclusions :p
I was thinking more along the lines of what he did this past chapter, teleport one of his crew members onto the Merry. It's a bit of "meta-gaming" on my part but I'd say it's safe to assume any BB pirate could give the StrawHats a run for their money back then, specially if they already had these powers.But a quick re-read of the scene also showed me it's pacing.
They met only a minute before the Knock Up Stream activated, even if that was their attack plan they really didn't have enough time to execute it. And their ship got pretty beaten up, so that was a priority.
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Do you guys think Usopp will create a plan/trap that leaves no opening thus beating Van Auger even if he teleports
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I really wish Oda would give all the Black Beard Pirates two devil fruits like he did Teach
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No conclusion-jumping because I questioned the extent of his ability. If he did have it, we don't know if it only applied to him or not. It's a lot of if's and then's so from my perspective it's not worth debating until we know more bc Oda can cook up any explanation. My only point is, either outcome seems possible and explanations exist for either assumption. I feel like that's broken record of me but I mean, that's dealing with manga creation, doors need to be left open.Btw, Stronger and Van Augur got proper names. Fancy that.
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@Shiebs funny, was just discussing with a friend.
So, wondering if BB is able to take (at least?) two because of his 'not-sleeping' thing. If that's related, it (unfortunately) means the others may not be able to.
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@Cockycent said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
Usopp has to manage obstacles that might block his vision and windspeeds, but now this guy can teleport the projectile at any moment. It can be 2 inches from his the front of his face 1 second, then coming from a different direction the next.
Yeah, that's why I'm 50/50 on that ability. Sure for the hero this is an amazing obstacle to overcome in a fight between two snipers. But it kinda sours the actual sniping skills for me if he could literally teleport bullets he fired to appear directly in front of his target. Heck, I could do that if I only had a clear look at my target. And I don't have any sniping skills at all but I could fire a gun/rifle like the amateur that I most likely am.
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Do you guys think we'll ever know something about the 7 times Kaido had been defeated (mentioned in his introduction, chapter 795)?
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@crlsdc said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
Do you guys think we'll ever know something about the 7 times Kaido had been defeated (mentioned in his introduction, chapter 795)?
That was covered in what passes for a flashback he got. He "lost" on purpose so they'd put him on their ships and then he'd eat all their food.
We can assume maybe he lost a few times to some tagteam style Garp, Sengoku, Roger, Shanks types but mostly the flashback writes it off as intentional losing.
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@Robby said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
@crlsdc said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
Do you guys think we'll ever know something about the 7 times Kaido had been defeated (mentioned in his introduction, chapter 795)?
That was covered in what passes for a flashback he got. He "lost" on purpose so they'd put him on their ships and then he'd eat all their food.
We can assume maybe he lost a few times to some tagteam style Garp, Sengoku, Roger, Shanks types but mostly the flashback writes it off as intentional losing.
I think you're confusing two different things.
In his intro, the narrator says "[...] he had tasted defeat as a pirate on seven occasions... and been caught by the marines or enemy ships no less than 18 times!!"
Later, the narrator also states "ultimately, he sank nine different prison vessels".
His intro makes a clear difference between being defeated or being captured. And in the instances where he was indeed captured on purpose so as to have a free all-you-can-eat buffet (like 1049 shows), he ended up escaping again and sinking those ships.
So I do think the 7 defeats are actually against high-ranking marines or pirates in the past, even though the flashback doesn't mention or show any of them.
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He surely has lost in God Valley for obvious reasons.