I feel bit sorry for that CP0 dude…I think the way he said he envied Drake actually hinted that unlike Drake he can't chose the side.
Chapter 1,042: The Victor Needs No Epithet
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So in case Luffy does get unconscious again by next chapter, who will show up to hold off Kaido again? I think Yamato would be at least one of the people holding him off.
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I feel bit sorry for that CP0 dude…I think the way he said he envied Drake actually hinted that unlike Drake he can't chose the side.
His bosses are the World Nobles. That alone has to suck coming into work every day.
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I suppose Momo would feel Luffy's haki going off, and if he's ever going to give Zunesha any order at all, this would be the right moment.
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So in case Luffy does get unconscious again by next chapter, who will show up to hold off Kaido again? I think Yamato would be at least one of the people holding him off.
I suppose Zunesha can do something. Oda has not brought a giant elephant for no reason
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I agree with the argument that it doesnt make sense for the mystery fruit to be Kaidou because Kaidou might be in his last arc, so it much logical for it to be a different fruit for a later arc in the story.
But what if it's a Kaidou's df but it got stolen by somebody else at the end of this arc so that it can be relevent in the future arc?
It work better for the future story for example in BB kill Kaidou and got the fruit theory, therefore we can expect to see more new thing from it awakening version.
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So no, it doesn't have everything to do with a pattern but about things making sense.
Cool! As Oda has made a 19 month pregnancy make….'sense'....I'm glad you're open to that!
I take back all of my bad words to CP0 dude. He's awesome and very ballsy to intrude a world class battle to killsteal lol.
HAHAHA! I was waiting on that!!!
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I've been waitign for Kaidou vs. Zunesha for YEARS. Gotta showcase that "strongest creature" title against another massive strong creature. I hope Oda delivers on that..
And if Zunesha is dying anyway…
I agree with the argument that it doesnt make sense for the mystery fruit to be Kaidou because Kaidou might be in his last arc, so it much logical for it to be a different fruit for a later arc in the story.
But what if it's a Kaidou's df but it got stolen by somebody else at the end of this arc so that it can be relevent in the future arc?
It work better for the future story for example in BB kill Kaidou and got the fruit theory, therefore we can expect to see more new thing from it awakening version.
It'd be reeeeeally boring if the final boss is just repeating the visual we've been having for a different lengthy boss. Yeah its cool that Kaidou turns into a dragon, but it'd be lame if BB was also doing that. Esxpecially since he has a bunch of other gimmicks already making him tough.
If fan theory holds up about him getting a zoan to complete the trifecta then theres others actually more helpful to hi than "big vulnerable dragon." Like say "magic healing phoenix".
Of course, the whole "turns fruits off" thing isn't as neat as it used to be given all the applications Haki has now, including being able to hit true bodies and to hit without actually touching. So that certainly needs some souping up beyond the application we saw against Ace over a decade ago. .
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BB having the Best Logia and Best pramecia is enough. He can end up fighting the best zoan… Not have it himself.
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I'm sold on the Momo/Luffy/Yamato/Marco group to -in some capacity- win the fight. Either through a situation where that contribution is something like Marco only healing Luffy. Or he'll actively join in combat.
I just feel Oda's going to deliver on the Momotaro inspiration. Especially with Luffy being down now.I mean it's One Piece, so good chance he might live. But if there ever was a character I think a villain could get away with killing in current time, it's Kaido with this CP0 agent .And given the concern of him before interrupting the fight, it feels like he was accepting a Suicide Squad mission here. Entirely at the order of his boss, the Five Elders. Which is something, in villain fashion, I expect him to at least hint at towards Kaido before getting his face caved in with that club.
But I'm really curious as to who will be the first to step up and buy some time for Luffy.
Right now Yamato is at the lowest level of Onigashima, yet also easily reachable to Momo who can take him up towards Luffy. Marco's flight also gives him the easy excuse of travel to the top of the island to face off with Kaido.
For a while throughout the years we've been in this arc, I kind of hoped for a showdown of the full Strawhat crew, without Luffy, holding their own against either Big Mom or Kaido. But given Zoro's current status, I don't think Oda's gonna kind some excuse to round them up at this point to help fight Kaido.
Likewise, the A9 are all either presumed dead, mutilated, or have barely won a boss battle. So I think it's fair to say they're done for now.
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Even if there was not the cp0 intervention, Luffy was on his last resource according to him and I'm not another big punch would have been sufficient.
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Cool! As Oda has made a 19 month pregnancy make….'sense'....I'm glad you're open to that!
For all we know Rouge shut her vagina tight with Armament Haki, you might know a thing or two about that. If you want to take an example that Oda completely fucked up you should've gone with Haki itself. So yes, I'm open to Oda screwing up his story :)
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The Gomu Gomu no Mi was in custody of the World Government before Shanks stole it. Yet they were last seen talking about this legendary DF whose existence was unknown even to the elders themselves. Doesn't that mere fact invalidate any chance of it being Luffy's?
And Zunesha was featured in the panel with the bubble speech talking about the DF. Isn't Uranus also related to elephants? Because that discussion is brought up after one of their agents stationed outside Wano informed Lucci of a huge shadow looming over them.
To me these are hints that whichever is the true name of that legendary DF, it has got a connection with Zunesha. And Zunesha is an animal. And guess who in Wano can tame beasts using her DF abilities?
That's right: Tama.
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The Gomu Gomu no Mi was in custody of the World Government before Shanks stole it. Yet they were last seen talking about this legendary DF whose existence was unknown even to the elders themselves. Doesn't that mere fact invalidate any chance of it being Luffy's?
Kaidou's fruit, and Kaidou himself was also under the WG's custody many times. They experimented and tested him, and Vegapunk even tried making a copy of his fruit. Shouldn't that mean that the Fish Fish Model Dragon wouldn't be talked about. Or was it only the Awakening of that fruit that has been a legend for centuries?
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Kaidou's fruit, and Kaidou himself was also under the WG's custody many times. They experimented and tested him, and Vegapunk even tried making a copy of his fruit. Shouldn't that mean that the Fish Fish Model Dragon wouldn't be talked about. Or was it only the Awakening of that fruit that has been a legend for centuries?
If it's the awakening, that would explain why they would want Luffy dead asap. They feared he might push Kaido past his limits, causing the DF to awaken.
Thing is, the name of each fruit correlates with the kind of abilities it grants. A person can correctly guess the fruit's name through its powers.
Yet Tama's DF name contradicts what it can do. The inhabitants of Wano don't even know DF are a thing, they call them "magical abilities". Even so, the name of Tama's DF Kibi Kibi no Mi is not what the name implies, and that's a first in the department of devil fruits.
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Even so, the name of Tama's DF Kibi Kibi no Mi is not what the name implies, and that's a first in the department of devil fruits.
The Hana Hana no Mi and Nikyu Nikyu no Mi would like to have a word
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The Hana Hana no Mi and Nikyu Nikyu no Mi would like to have a word
Hana (Flower): The name comes from granting the user the ability to bloom limbs like flowers.
Niktu (Paw): Grants the ability to take and reject in the form of paws.
Kibi (Millet): The user can make Millet from the body, and it also tames bea-, excuse me? That's two different abilities in one DF.
I'm not saying the other option, the Uo Uo no Mi isn't valid. I still consider Kaido's DF the top candidate. But there's something about Tama's DF that strikes odd.
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Hana (Flower): The name comes from granting the user the ability to bloom limbs like flowers.
Niktu (Paw): Grants the ability to take and reject in the form of paws.
Kibi (Millet): The user can make Millet from the body, and it also tames bea-, excuse me? That's two different abilities in one DF.
I'm not saying the other option, the Uo Uo no Mi isn't valid. I still consider Kaido's DF the top candidate. But there's something about Tama's DF that strikes odd.
Flower Flower doesn't imply anything about sprouting body parts of all things, Paw Paw doesn't imply the ability to repel things, Millet Millet doesn't imply the ability to brainwash animals
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Also, i don't remember the millets having any other property other than taming animals, so that's really its only ability. Millets are just the mean through which the effect is obtained.
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Cool that CP0 ended up being major players in the arc, instead of weird spectators.
Hoping Kaido's turmoil end up with us having his flashback next. Maybe we'll see God Valley stuff for act 4
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I am just here reading different theories on why the fruit the elders are talking about is not the Gomu Gomu, I know this is all out of fear of Oda ruining his story or persons enjoyment of it but I would suggest just make peace with it. Luffy awaking was sure to come at some point we just had know idea what it would be like, whether we like it or not it seems that is the direction Oda is going in.
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Also, i don't remember the millets having any other property other than taming animals, so that's really its only ability. Millets are just the mean through which the effect is obtained.
Then the name of the fruit shouldn't be Millet.
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Then the name of the fruit shouldn't be Millet.
Wouldn't be the first time a fruit name is partly a joke. Until proven otherwise, this one's a wink to the Momotaro tale - specifically how he befriends animal retainers with kibi dango.
Also, why would the world gov fuss over the "millet" fruit when Zunesha is already taking orders from Momonosuke ? That voice of all things part is much more of a threat to them.
Maybe it is what they fear, after all. Not that Luffy's fruit awakens, but that this weird ability he shares with Momo lets him command Zo - who is also a very strong candidate for a "fruit that hasn't awaken in centuries and is a legend to the 5 elders themselves"
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Now explain why Viola's Glare Glare devil fruit lets her have x-ray vision, see a person's heart, work as a telescope, and make WHALES. (I know it's a weird Japanese pun, but in-story?)
Or how Sugar's Hobby Hobby ability covers like 12 different powers rolled into one. Transformation, mass amnesia, loyalty binding, eternal youth… mind you that the transformation that turns people into toys can be any material, wood, metal, fluff...
Or Chopper's fruit which grants the usual three zoan transformations AND the ability to understand languages?
Devil Fruits can vary wildly and do more than just the initial thing they're named for.
After all, its people that named the fruits, they named them based on the obvious first application, not necessarily what its full potential is..
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Or Chopper's fruit which grants the usual three zoan transformations AND the ability to understand languages?
While agree with your overall point I find this particular part of your post not a good example. Understanding languages is a trait humans have. Making it two different things is like saying Pell's got three zoan transformations AND the ability to fly, which is something you would expect if someone is able to turn into a bird.
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For all we know Rouge shut her vagina tight with Armament Haki, you might know a thing or two about that.
My point precisely. Explained or not, there may be justification for it. Thank you for agreeing!
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My point precisely. Explained or not, there may be justification for it. Thank you for agreeing!
There never was disagreement about Oda being able to make up justifications in the first place but you seem to have missed that. But that's okay, don't worry about it
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There never was disagreement about Oda being able to make up justifications in the first place but you seem to have missed that. But that's okay, don't worry about it
That's what you argued against though, that Oda couldn't create a reasonable justification based on the past because it had to fit a pattern. No worries here! Water under the bridge! You may have any last word you like :)
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Then the name of the fruit shouldn't be Millet.
Excuse me, what? you just made yourself the example of the Flower-Flower fruit, which has the power to sprout… limbs. And later clones. And later giant clones made out of limbs. It litteraly never made a single flower appear anywhere.
But sure, the millet fruit which creates… actual millets (which have special powers, but are nonetheless actual millets) is the suspicious one.
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Excuse me, what? you just made yourself the example of the Flower-Flower fruit, which has the power to sprout… limbs. And later clones. And later giant clones made out of limbs. It litteraly never made a single flower appear anywhere.
But sure, the millet fruit which creates… actual millets (which have special powers, but are nonetheless actual millets) is the suspicious one.
Fruits are also named after their sound. The Hana Hana is the sound of things blooming. She can bloom herself like a flower. The millet millet fruit does not work like the Mochi Mochi or Bis Bis, two other food fruits we just ate. It’s primary ability has nothing to do with millet at all, and it can’t even be used as food according to tama.
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I've been waitign for Kaidou vs. Zunesha for YEARS. Gotta showcase that "strongest creature" title against another massive strong creature. I hope Oda delivers on that..
And if Zunesha is dying anyway…
It'd be reeeeeally boring if the final boss is just repeating the visual we've been having for a different lengthy boss. Yeah its cool that Kaidou turns into a dragon, but it'd be lame if BB was also doing that. Esxpecially since he has a bunch of other gimmicks already making him tough.
If fan theory holds up about him getting a zoan to complete the trifecta then theres others actually more helpful to hi than "big vulnerable dragon." Like say "magic healing phoenix".
Of course, the whole "turns fruits off" thing isn't as neat as it used to be given all the applications Haki has now, including being able to hit true bodies and to hit without actually touching. So that certainly needs some souping up beyond the application we saw against Ace over a decade ago. .
Yeah I agree with you.
I am myself dont like and never subscribe to that theory or even to any kind of theory involving BB gaining all 3 types of Df.
It just that I am trying to ease myself some if those come true.Speaking about df awakening, i wonder if zoan awakening can also have new ability other than just more extra strengh and durability with more "retarded" looking animal-ish form.
For example like awakened zoan can transform only part of their body freely like what we see from Marco(i am not saying Marco is confirmed awaken zoan).
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While agree with your overall point I find this particular part of your post not a good example. Understanding languages is a trait humans have. Making it two different things is like saying Pell's got three zoan transformations AND the ability to fly, which is something you would expect if someone is able to turn into a bird.
Except Chopper gets human AND all animal languages. And when he speaks to those other animals, he does it in straight English (Japanese) he doesn't just make weird animal sounds. He doesn't have to learn or study languages, he just knows them instantly.
Does that mean all animals in OP just naturally understand each other? Why does this never apply to Chopper talking to say, Seakings which we know can talk and think? Why do no other zoans ever showcase this ability? Or any of the things Luffy has for dinner?
Jinbe can talk to whalesharks as a fishman ability, but doesn't seem to be able to talk to all fish, and Seakings are a SHirahoshi exclusive ability. So…
Actually, now that I bring up Seakings, Luffy was able to at least hear them all the way back at Fishman Island wasn't he? Hrm.
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Except Chopper gets human AND all animal languages. And when he speaks to those other animals, he does it in straight English (Japanese) he doesn't just make weird animal sounds. He doesn't have to learn or study languages, he just knows them instantly.
Does that mean all animals in OP just naturally understand each other? Why does this never apply to Chopper talking to say, Seakings which we know can talk and think? Why do no other zoans ever showcase this ability? Or any of the things Luffy has for dinner?
Jinbe can talk to whalesharks as a fishman ability, but doesn't seem to be able to talk to all fish, and Seakings are a SHirahoshi exclusive ability. So…
I actually always took it that the OP animals pretty much understand what humans are saying but have no means of how to communicate back. So it's not something exclusive to Chopper. The only thing why he stands out is because he's originally an animal which means he's the only one that actually can receive an input from animals.
I'm aware that this has been nowhere confirmed in the manga. But the OP world just strikes me a place where some animals are able to understand human words, which would be the comic book exaggeration of the real world principle that animals can be trained/conditioned to recognize words and react to them (whithout understanding their meaning of course). If in the real world animals can actually read human emotions and can learn to differentiate different human words, then I don't think that it's a stretch to assume animals in One Piece are able to understand more that what is possible in the real world. I mean Karoo, Pierre and Suu pretty seemed to understand when Vivi, Gun Fall and Conis spoke. And none of what those character said when speaking to their animal friends sounded like animal conditioning comands.
Actually, now that I bring up Seakings, Luffy was able to at least hear them all the way back at Fishman Island wasn't he? Hrm.
Yeah, that's in line with what I've said before. Hearing what creatures say seems to be the rarer road than creatures hearing/understanding what humans say. And seakings seem to be special anyways, otherwise Poseidon wouldn't be that big of a deal.
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Fruits are also named after their sound. The Hana Hana is the sound of things blooming. She can bloom herself like a flower. The millet millet fruit does not work like the Mochi Mochi or Bis Bis, two other food fruits we just ate. It’s primary ability has nothing to do with millet at all, and it can’t even be used as food according to tama.
Then i don't get where we draw the line here.
Hana-hana: it says flower, but it actually is the metaphorical concept of "blooming yourself like a flower" and making the hypotetical sound of blooming (which was a pretty silent activity any time i checked) –> totally fine, nothing to see here
millet-millet: creates objects that look like mochi millets, feel like mochi millets, probably taste like mochi millets, but instead of nurishing you let you tame wild animals, because Momotaro -->Unacceptable, because it doesn't work like a completely different fruit that also had to do with mochi.
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Then i don't get where we draw the line here.
Hana-hana: it says flower, but it actually is the metaphorical concept of "blooming yourself like a flower" and making the hypotetical sound of blooming (which was a pretty silent activity any time i checked) –> totally fine, nothing to see here
Japanese onomatopeia can express silence and also some type of action. I suppose this is the case here
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How cruel of Oda to have Kaido go through a repetition of a past act he never managed to live down.
Wonder if this was the sole reason of constructing that flashback sneak attack against Oden. I hated that decision, but this makes it easier to swallow. As long as the whole thread goes somewhere.
And what of CP0? Does the dude get rage killed by Kaido now? He has to at least get knocked out in order for Luffy to survive. Was this the whole point of their presence on Wano?
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Robby/Ivotas
Fascinating stuff from two longtime fans. munches popcorn -
Robby/Ivotas
Fascinating stuff from two longtime fans. munches popcornRight in the nostalgia.