My main worry right now about the Kaido flashback is, it needs to get a lot of work done. Kaido is fearsome in the eyes of the fanbase by now but does anyone feel like me in that he doesn't carry the same emotional gravitas as Doffy? It's mostly because I think the most heinous things this arc generally flow back to Orochi. Not to say Kaido isn't linked it's more because the responsibility feels split because of Orochi existing. The best thing about Doffy is how all the issues and grudges in the arc link back to him mainly and it's the Corazon and his personal flashback that really hit it home.
So whatever direction Oda takes I hope he manages to do the same for Kaido.
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My main worry right now about the Kaido flashback is, it needs to get a lot of work done. Kaido is fearsome in the eyes of the fanbase by now but does anyone feel like me in that he doesn't carry the same emotional gravitas as Doffy? It's mostly because I think the most heinous things this arc generally flow back to Orochi. Not to say Kaido isn't linked it's more because the responsibility feels split because of Orochi existing. The best thing about Doffy is how all the issues and grudges in the arc link back to him mainly and it's the Corazon and his personal flashback that really hit it home.
So whatever direction Oda takes I hope he manages to do the same for Kaido.Well Doflamingo didn't work alongside the mostly hidden Rocks, and Kaidou did, so I imagine if anything any development flashback with Kaidou would be shown when it's time to show the past with Rocks.
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I think we got enough out of Kaido. Him just shooting Oden will never sit right with me and lets me know what type of dude he really is.
He doesn't deserve the epic death he wants.
All I'm looking for is some more revelations about certain motivations and the rest of the Yamato flashback if there is any.
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@Zik:
All I'm looking for is some more revelations about certain motivations and the rest of the Yamato flashback if there is any.
I suppose what people are looking for in repeatedly saying they want a "true" flashback, even though starving and getting abused by someone like Kaidou is pretty bad to begin with, is that they probably want to know exactly what kind of relationship Yamato had with Oden, if there was any. It probably wouldn't resonate with people as much if it turned out that Yamato just looked up to Oden from afar, because that would probably be like Chopper looking up to Hiriluk as a doctor from afar.
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I suppose what people are looking for in repeatedly saying they want a "true" flashback, even though starving and getting abused by someone like Kaidou is pretty bad to begin with, is that they probably want to know exactly what kind of relationship Yamato had with Oden, if there was any. It probably wouldn't resonate with people as much if it turned out that Yamato just looked up to Oden from afar, because that would probably be like Chopper looking up to Hiriluk as a doctor from afar.
Probably no relationship at all which has what's already been established.
Outside chance Oden said something Yamato's direction which kicked off the start of the idolizing.
If anything I think most would look forward stating a clear much more specific dream in his flashback that also made clear what his main role would be.
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@Zik:
If anything I think most would look forward stating a clear much more specific dream in his flashback that also made clear what his main role would be.
I still think Yamato would fall under some sort of guard role, going on from how she tried to protect Momo back then, but felt powerless to do anything about it. She has been actively shown as a guardian sort of figure backing that up with her fighting skills more than anything else at this point I feel.
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How many arcs do we even have left after this for a crew member to join?
Sabo rescue mission? (Mary Geoise?)
Elbaf
God Valley?
Lodestar island
Rafteland maybe some mystery island we've never heard of, just to keep things fresh?
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Judging by how Oda rushes the pace nowadays, I think we only get Elbaf after this and then straight to Lodestar/Laughtale.
So, new crewmember must join in Wano or at least Elbaf for them to have a satisfying screentime amongst the crew.
"No more shall man have wings to bear him to paradise. Henceforth, he shall walk.." - Venat
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Judging by how Oda rushes the pace nowadays, I think we only get Elbaf after this and then straight to Lodestar/Laughtale.
So, new crewmember must join in Wano or at least Elbaf for them to have a satisfying screentime amongst the crew.
I can only imagine how long the big war and series in general will last after Laugh Tale, because I really don't think the last chapter is just going to be them finding the One Piece.
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Nah, we'll only get to Elbaf in the sequel. It was only mentioned in One Piece for world building.
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How many arcs do we even have left after this for a crew member to join?
Sabo rescue mission? (Mary Geoise?)
Elbaf
God Valley?
Lodestar island
Rafteland maybe some mystery island we've never heard of, just to keep things fresh?
Vegapunk's Emerald City Arc would be a great time for a new crewmate.
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I can only imagine how long the big war and series in general will last after Laugh Tale, because I really don't think the last chapter is just going to be them finding the One Piece.
If I'm interpreting Oda's words about "OP will end in 5 years" which he changed to "the real adventure for One Piece will end in 5 years" (cmiiw about the exact quote), I think we have like 5 years for reaching Laughtale/finding One Piece, after that the last war for who knows how long.
That was 2020 if I'm not wrong, so we have 4 years now.
I can't imagine Wano ends before mid 2022 so I think we have at most 3,5 years. Just enough of 1.5 years of next island and 2 years for Laughtale arc. Pretty doable imo.
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Vegapunk's Emerald City Arc would be a great time for a new crewmate.
I want Steam Punk/Nikola Tesla themed arc about Vegapunk
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A steam punked version of Emerald City with Vegapunk Tesla as the "Wizard" surrounded by DF sentient weapons. Give me dat!
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@K.:
Seems like a decent spot. You are supposed to learn about the road poneglyphs and Raftel there. So the character that lived there would be involved in the void century, poneglyphs part of the story. Or one of the erased races.
I suppose Laugh Tale could tie back into what Oden and Kaidou said about Joy Boy, and that what Yamato knows isn’t meant to hinder Luffy’s journey, but somehow possibly lead him towards achieving his dream to the end, similar to what Robin knows helping access the Road Poneglyph’s info towards progressing to the end of the Grand Line.
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Oda's Plan to finish One Piece in 5 years isnt possible. The wanokuni Arc needs actually 10 or 15 Chapters. So February or march should be the the end.
And after Wanokuni should be start a Lot of another arcs.Luffy needs the Meeting with Dragon and Shanks
Elbaf
Meeting or something like this with Vegapunk
Battle against the World goverment
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Oda's Plan to finish One Piece in 5 years isnt possible. The wanokuni Arc needs actually 10 or 15 Chapters. So February or march should be the the end.
And after Wanokuni should be start a Lot of another arcs.Luffy needs the Meeting with Dragon and Shanks
Elbaf
Meeting or something like this with Vegapunk
Battle against the World goverment
And to find the one piece with the last Fight to be the Pirate King, verses BlackbeardYou gotta keep in mind he said this years ago.
So its more like theres no way he can end OP in the next 3 years.
It was never something I took serious stock in other than to Oda the end is in sight. It definitely did set off fans to use those statements as reasoning for all future ideas and theories.
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Yamato will presumably sail will Luffy like she said, but I suppose the linking driving force will have something to do with Joy Boy seeing as how Yamato’s role model was waiting for his return and her dad mentioning that Luffy couldn’t be Joy Boy either. Any key motivation for Yamato wanting to go on Luffy’s journey beyond just wanting to finally leave Wano will probably have something to do with that, so I think that the sooner there’s more clarity on Joy Boy, the sooner Yamato’s fate will become more clear.
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I want Steam Punk/Nikola Tesla themed arc about Vegapunk
For a while now I've been thinking that God Valley would be an ideal spot for Vegapunk to set up a research facility now. It got literally erased from the almost all world maps, etc. so it is the perfect spot to just experiment. God Valley also sounds like just the right spot for a mysterious ancient city to be located in name-wise.
So yeah, imagine the Strawhats finding Vegapunk in his workshop at God Valley where he uses the Emerald City/moon people tech to craft his newest weapons.
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Oda's Plan to finish One Piece in 5 years isnt possible.
It's absolutely 1000% possible.
Montages and timeskips can go a long ways. Look at the end of the Oden flahback when they were travelling to Laugh Tale, that was a montage that showed those characters bonding and making major discoveries and doing a dozen chapters of content in about 2 pages.
Oda could finish the series in a month if he really felt the need to, and that part of that flashback was the first bit that convinced me he might..
Satisfactory is another matter entirely.
That aside, I still think the 30th anniversary in 2027 sounds about right. Really it all depends on how Elbaf goes. If that's an arc of less than a year it can happen. If that balloons into another 2 year arc, then we're not finishing before 2032.
Wano remainder-4 months (~March 2022)
Elbaf-1 year (2022)
Odds and ends- 1 year (2023)
Laugh Tale- 1 year (2024)
Final War- 3 years (2027)Odds and ends includes things like final poneglyph, Shanks, Revolutionaries, and Vegapunk, that can fit in anywhere. Final War includes 1 on 1 fights for everyone as an indulgence the final arc can afford, so that'd be about a year by itself if there's not a lot of musical chairs.
I don't know how long Wano wrap up/setup for next arc will take, but I do think Kaidou should be pretty much done in the next 15 or so chapters barring a massive flashback.
@Zik:
You gotta keep in mind he said this years ago.
So its more like theres no way he can end OP in the next 3 years.
He first said it in 2019 ago. But then when asked in SBS a year later at the end of 2020 he said 5 years again, magically on the spot buying an extra year.
So… 4 years now. We might be at Laugh Tale by then at which point he can retrofit his statements, but its hard to see the big finale being done.
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There probably won't be a villain in Elbaf. They'll eventually befriend the giants I guess
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There probably won't be a villain in Elbaf. They'll eventually befriend the giants I guess
We've gone from Luffy defeating a corrupt scientist, to a black market king Warlord, to an Emperor officer, to an Emperor in the New World. Gonna have to up the stakes somehow in the event of going to Elbaf.
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I thought Loki would be the villain in the Elbaf arc
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We've gone from Luffy defeating a corrupt scientist, to a black market king Warlord, to an Emperor officer, to an Emperor in the New World. Gonna have to up the stakes somehow in the event of going to Elbaf.
It's long overdue that we rest and unwind for a bit. One Piece just has been so restless for the past half decade.
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It's long overdue that we rest and unwind for a bit. One Piece just has been so restless for the past half decade.
Would love a smaller arc again. Just one would be enough.I think the days of smaller more straw hat crew focused arcs are behind us unfortunately
Everything is getting bigger and more intense, I think people should expect lots of allies and supporting cast characters from here till the end
I really wish it wasn't so but I think it is
you'll have to wait for the GT or Super version that will most likely happen in a few years after the series officially ends
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@All:
It's long overdue that we rest and unwind for a bit. One Piece just has been so restless for the past half decade.
Would love a smaller arc again. Just one would be enough.Then maybe be happy with a possible small Ace's grave arc and something to do with Weevil.
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@Zik:
Then maybe be happy with a possible small Ace's grave arc and something to do with Weevil.
I would like that.
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We've gone from Luffy defeating a corrupt scientist, to a black market king Warlord, to an Emperor officer, to an Emperor in the New World. Gonna have to up the stakes somehow in the event of going to Elbaf.
If Oda uses Elbaf to power up Usopp next (in Wano alone he's already powered up Nami (Zeus), Zoro (Enma), and Sanji (latent Germa abilites)) the best way to do that would be to not have Luffy involved. So Elbaf might be another crew split-up arc, or maybe just Luffy. And if he decides to use Sabo/Revolutionaries/Vivi as a sub-arc to Elbaf … maybe we'd get a Luffy/Robin team up
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If Oda uses Elbaf to power up Usopp next (in Wano alone he's already powered up Nami (Zeus), Zoro (Enma), and Sanji (latent Germa abilites)) the best way to do that would be to not have Luffy involved. So Elbaf might be another crew split-up arc, or maybe just Luffy. And if he decides to use Sabo/Revolutionaries/Vivi as a sub-arc to Elbaf … maybe we'd get a Luffy/Robin team up
I guess that then would provide a good opportunity for Luffy to spend more time with a new crewmate gained from Wano, in light of some saying the division of focus between crewmates has gotten bad.
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I feel like there's no way Wano will be done by March. We've only got 4/5 chapters left this year and at this pace it will only be by then that Queen and King go down. We still hve Fukurokoju and Orochi to deal with (who could go down the same chapter), the explosives and fire demon, the island dropping and Momo human reveal, the actual fight with Kaidou, and presumably his flashabck, and then any post-raid stuff that was discussed like visiting Ryuma's grave, Momo becoming Shogun, dealing with CP-0, the big party, Yamato/Tama/Carrot asking to join the crew officially. I feel like Wano is going to end in Volume 105 which would mean Wano ends next Summer instead.
Also I think the easist thing for Elbaf, to have it feel like an important arc without introducing a new major threat at the last minute, is to have it be the same arc where Vegapunk, Green Bull and the Revolutionaries all play a role. It might end up feeling a little hectic but ot could allow for Vegapunk and Green Bull to be the main threats and give the Revolutionaries some proper screen time before their role in the final war.
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I feel like there's no way Wano will be done by March. We've only got 4/5 chapters left this year and at this pace it will only be by then that Queen and King go down. We still hve Fukurokoju and Orochi to deal with (who could go down the same chapter), the explosives and fire demon, the island dropping and Momo human reveal, the actual fight with Kaidou, and presumably his flashabck, and then any post-raid stuff that was discussed like visiting Ryuma's grave, Momo becoming Shogun, dealing with CP-0, the big party, Yamato/Tama/Carrot asking to join the crew officially. I feel like Wano is going to end in Volume 105 which would mean Wano ends next Summer instead.
All the stuff you listed can easily be 30 chapters minmum, I think if we are lucky we will leave Wano by the end of next year. Plus, I predict that a good chunk of the things you mentioned will be in a potential act 4 that will start after King and Queen are defeated.
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There will be no Act 4. This is it.
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Act 4 will just be an pilogue I imagine. Unless the Kaidou flashback on its own is just act 4 and happens after his defeat, but I doubt it.
Anyway, 30 chapters does put it at around volume 105 and next Summer so that's exactly the timeframe I was giving.
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I agree with Robby that Oda must utilize some timeskip if he really wants to end the series soon.
But, hear me out… I assume that by now everyone knows about "OP film soon" theory? What if the next OP movie will bring us to a proposed island that will be easily skippable otherwise...
OP Film: Emerald, OP Film: Lodestar, or hell, OP Film: Elbaf for instance. I know that there is no way a 90 minutes film is capable of summarizing an arc, but still... it is very possible atm.
"No more shall man have wings to bear him to paradise. Henceforth, he shall walk.." - Venat
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I'd love to see everything after Wano cut away from the manga and only be a live-action series thing
About the time-skip. I wish there won't be any. But Oda can change his pacing style yeah
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We've gone from Luffy defeating a corrupt scientist, to a black market king Warlord, to an Emperor officer, to an Emperor in the New World. Gonna have to up the stakes somehow in the event of going to Elbaf.
Well, that's one way to see things. But I'm more of the opinion that Loki will be an ally as soon as possible. Like, they could get there and discover the Kingdom or whatever it is. And then Luffy can have his fight but more like a friendly fight I guess. There is "no time" (unless there is) to have a whole arc of years about Loki being evil and all the exposition about it, also have a crew-threat bigger than Kaido to be elaborated, and finally have Luffy lose 3 times and him running around all over their island for 30chapters before finally defeating Loki…
Also you're missing that all the NewWorld until now has been pretty much about building up Kaido (except Bigmom territory + Vinsmoke arc). So yeah, I can't see Oda rising the stakes for Loki when we've had Caesar, Doflamingo and Kaido before... the next big threats are Teach and the WG.
imo, Elbaf is going toward being an arc like Zou or the Davy Back Fight...
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I feel like there's no way Wano will be done by March. We've only got 4/5 chapters left this year and at this pace it will only be by then that Queen and King go down.
Queen is probably going down next chapter, and King will take 2 or 3 more. They'll probably both be done by the end of the year, it's not going to take 15 chapters to handle them alone.
After that, going by previous boss battles combined with ticking time bombs, Kaidou will probably take about 10 chapters unless his flashback is massive. Luffy fought Doflamingo for a LONG time, but once the generals were down and Law was already out, Luffy and Dofla started their solo in earnest in chapter 780. Gear 4, the birdcage time bomb, the 10 minute break to restore his haki, the final clash, and lots and lots of other stuff, was resolves by 790. Similarly Luffy dealt with Hody and the falling arc, AND the entire crew getting their fights was done in 12 chapters. Same with Luffy vs. Lucchi, where they fought for ages, but once the other fights were done the focus was 8 or 9 chapters, while other stuff kept happening. Same with Katakuri and Enel. And if you go back further than that they start getting shorter because the arcs were shorter then. The final round of the crocodile fight, which included ending the war, stuff with Robin, and Pell and the explosion, was only 4 chapters. Ten if you count the second round where luffy tried his Water mode, got beaten, and then had to chase him for a while as other stuff happened..
They've already been fighting Kaidou for like 40 chapters, it won't take that long once its down to the final match. (ANd Big Mom I expect to be taken out in a way that's credible but leaves her around in some form for Elbaf. ) I expect the problem of a base full of explosive will also be part of the solution to taking out Kaidou and/or Big Mom.
How long the clean up lead into next arc takes there's no telling, depends on how much table setting needs to be done, but even Water 7 which had to establish Merry's funeral and Garp and the Emperors and the new boat and Usopp rejoining and recruiting Franky was under 10 chapters. Post Thriller Bark, which had to do Brook's flashback! was super short.
I expect Kaidou to be done by march (barring mega flashback) and the wrap up to be finished by May. Unless some really werid crazy things happen that we just can't predict.
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I agree with Robby that Oda must utilize some timeskip if he really wants to end the series soon..
It doesn't need to be a timeskip perse. But a montage can cover a tooon of ground in a very short time.
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I agree with Robby that Oda must utilize some timeskip if he really wants to end the series soon.
But, hear me out… I assume that by now everyone knows about "OP film soon" theory? What if the next OP movie will bring us to a proposed island that will be easily skippable otherwise...
OP Film: Emerald, OP Film: Lodestar, or hell, OP Film: Elbaf for instance. I know that there is no way a 90 minutes film is capable of summarizing an arc, but still... it is very possible atm.
So an OP movie actually in continuity?
Would be cool but I think that would take Oda taking full control of the movie and I don't see how that doesn't mean a few weeks off from the manga at the least.
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How long after One Piece is finished will it take to get One Piece's version of GT or Super?
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How long after One Piece is finished will it take to get One Piece's version of GT or Super?
GT immediately followed Z. Like, literally a week after Z ended.
I think it depends on just how big and resonant One Piece's ending is. It'll have run 3 times longer than Dragonball did (at least) and may not demand follow ups quiote the same way. It'll probably keep getting new movies every couple years, though they'll probably need to be non-canon to deal with power creep. Or just alternate worlds that happen to have the cast but no relation to the actual story.
(Heck, eventhe Path to Power" retelling movie was for its 10th anniversary and the entire anime had run its course in that time.)
It may be less a "How long till GT" situation and more of a "How long until Kai" situation instead.
Though enough time has passed they might well want to take a stab at re-animating the thing without filler… (especially given the switch to HD and widescreen) But even filler free you're still talking hundreds of episodes recreating a show that will have been airing for probably three decades so I dunno if they'll be in any hurry to commit themselves to that... or just go with shortterm specials like they've been doing.
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GT immediately followed Z. Like, literally a week after Z ended.
I think it depends on just how big and resonant One Piece's ending is. It'll have run 3 times longer than Dragonball did (at least) and may not demand follow ups quiote the same way. It'll probably keep getting new movies every couple years, though they'll probably need to be non-canon to deal with power creep. Or just alternate worlds that happen to have the cast but no relation to the actual story.
(Heck, eventhe Path to Power" retelling movie was for its 10th anniversary and the entire anime had run its course in that time.)
It may be less a "How long till GT" situation and more of a "How long until Kai" situation instead.
Though enough time has passed they might well want to take a stab at re-animating the thing without filler… (especially given the switch to HD and widescreen) But even filler free you're still talking hundreds of episodes recreating a show that will have been airing for probably three decades so I dunno if they'll be in any hurry to commit themselves to that... or just go with shortterm specials like they've been doing.
All I know is where there’s money to be had corporations will do whatever they can to squeeze out every last cent
And One Piece is a money making machine
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Well lets say One Piece ends on chapter 1300. And that a new anime adaptation is completely filler free and moves at a super brisk pace, and stuffs 2.5 chapters into every episode. (You can do 3, but heavy dialogue chapters would be uncomfortable, while pure action scenes can cram more.)
That's still 430-520 episodes, That's… a 10 year commitment to remake a product they're already re-selling. That's... yikes.
I don't know if it makes more sense to Kai cut or to reanimate at that bulk... mostly because like I said, HD and widescreen and digital animation changes, it's not consistent throughout. And the first 80 or so eps were fairly filler free.
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@Zik:
So an OP movie actually in continuity?
Would be cool but I think that would take Oda taking full control of the movie and I don't see how that doesn't mean a few weeks off from the manga at the least.
Well considering how many materials Oda threw to the anime team lately (Kiku vs Kanjuro first fight, Neko vs Peros, Inu vs Jack etc)… Oda could just create a character sheet and let the anime team working by themselves.
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I expect Kaidou to be done by march (barring mega flashback) and the wrap up to be finished by May. Unless some really werid crazy things happen that we just can't predict.
For the arc to be over in May it would have to finish in 20 chapters from now, at most. That seems extremely unlikely to me.
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For the arc to be over in May it would have to finish in 20 chapters from now, at most. That seems extremely unlikely to me.
I broke down my reasoning above. TLDR: We're probably done with King and Queen in the next five chapters… and then final matches, including ticking time bombs, tend to be less than 10 chapters.
Even the longest wrap up in the series was under 10 chapters, most of the time its about 5.. So we're looking at 20 chapters more, 25 on the outside.
Barring a mega flashback or really crazy stuff happening in the aftermath.
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I agree with Robby that Oda must utilize some timeskip if he really wants to end the series soon.
But, hear me out… I assume that by now everyone knows about "OP film soon" theory? What if the next OP movie will bring us to a proposed island that will be easily skippable otherwise...
OP Film: Emerald, OP Film: Lodestar, or hell, OP Film: Elbaf for instance. I know that there is no way a 90 minutes film is capable of summarizing an arc, but still... it is very possible atm.
My secret hope is that they take Chapter 956 (Episode 957) and make it a movie showing the marines versus the Warlords, plus Blackbeard's plan. Literally, a movie without the Straw Hats, but a big chance to see big stars like Mihawk, Boa Hancock, the admirals and the Blackbeard Pirates going all-out.
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I broke down my reasoning above. TLDR: We're probably done with King and Queen in the next five chapters… and then final matches, including ticking time bombs, tend to be less than 10 chapters.
Even the longest wrap up in the series was under 10 chapters, most of the time its about 5.. So we're looking at 20 chapters more, 25 on the outside.
Barring a mega flashback or really crazy stuff happening in the aftermath.
The Water 7 wrap-up was exactly 10 chapters, Dressrosa was 10-11 chapters. I would be very surprised if the Wano wrap-up is any shorter. That's why I don't see the arc ending in May even without a long flashback or something completely unexpected happening.
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At what phase of break madness are we right now? :ninja:
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at that point where I lost track of days since the last chapter and only vaguely remember what's even going on
what's a kai-doh
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Looks like Wano isn't gonna end this year…
