Yamato tells her father it was more than chains which kept her shackled to Wano. How can she call herself Oden if she does not fight to protect the country that Oden loved? Despite recent developments, I continue to believe there is a very strong chance Yamato may set aside personal desire to set out to sea in the short term, if she is somehow needed to protect Wano’s newly crowned Shogun and opened borders. As we see here, Yamato shares Oden’s deep commitment to the land of Wano and having read Oden’s journal, she likely understands the immense importance of opening the borders to bringing the New Dawn to the entire One Piece world. Wano should in theory be saved by clearing out Kaido and Orochi, but it’s important to remember a lot can happen as the arc draws to a close. I still strongly suspect the Marines will arrive to accompany the opening of the borders, analogous to Admiral Perry’s arrival and the opening of Japan’s borders. Whether this external influence will in any way necessitate the presence of a strong deterrent force remains to be seen. If so, Yamato’s presence at Momo’s side may still be needed, particularly if his possession of Vegapunks’ experimental devil fruit becomes known to CP0. Given the grim outlook for Kin’emon and Kiku, there may be some vacancies among the inner circle of warriors charged with protecting the Kozuki Clan. Yet, I wouldn’t consider Yamato to be a mere retainer, but something of a regent Shogun, ironically fulfilling the role Kaido intended for her in a sense, though for an entirely different purpose. I bring up this possibility because of the sentiment expressed by Yamato in this scene. It may seem like the path is clear for Yamato to set sail at the end of the arc with the threats of Kaido and Orochi nullified, but we have been repeatedly told that Wano and its future shogun are special in some way and will play a pivotal role in the endgame of the series, which means they may continue to be targeted. Yamato makes clear that like Oden, she prioritizes the land of Wano above personal desire, which could be critical in determining where she goes and what she does when this arc draws to a close particularly if the situation on Wano is complicated by additional outside forces. The One Piece will soon be discovered and as such, Yamato will not have long to wait until Luffy completes his voyage. Oden left with Roger because he was needed aboard the pirate King’s ship. Right now, as far as we know, Yamato has no such express purpose aboard Sunny. Leaving with Luffy would be entirely for herself. I’m not saying Yamato isn’t entitled to pursue her own freedom, but I don’t that putting personal desire above responsibility is consistent with Yamato’s character, particularly given what we know about Kozuki Oden. Yamato’s identity is uniquely tied to the land of Wano and its deceased leader in a manner which is not at all dissimilar to Momo, Kinemon, and many others.
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At this point I think ppl are still clinging to the Yamato as retainer theory, in hope for it somehow to increase the chance of other character to join Luffy.
Oh, definitely. Because what’s cohesive storytelling and reason in the face of strongly wished for headcanon.
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I suspect Yamato telling Momo he needs to survives parallels Jinbe telling Luffy he needed to survive at Marineford, and that Yamato holding off Kaido until Luffy gets back implies her devotion will shift to him sooner or later if it hasn’t already.
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So we spent 9 years in a saga in which one of the main purposes is to put Momo into safety, just so he's immediately put again in great danger and doesn't have any peaceful time at all to heal and rule Wano, so that's how Yamato must stay..
Ok..
Uhmm.
Yeah.. not a great fan of that view.
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At this point I think ppl are still clinging to the Yamato as retainer theory, in hope for it somehow to increase the chance of other character to join Luffy.
I consider each character independently and don't think the crew has a limit of 10. I have been holding onto a Smoker for Straw Hat theory since 2006 and I have always believed Vivi will return to the ship before Laugh Tale. No reason to say one character influences the other. No matter what happens with Yamato, I think Carrot will join.
I think there are certain factors which could change my view on Yamato joining, which I have explained in previous posts. Right now, I just think there is a discrepancy between Yamato's stated goals and motivating desire. Wanting to be Oden means protecting Wano at all costs. Oden only sailed with Roger out of necessity. I don't think Wano and/or Momo are going to be entirely free and clear at the end of this arc. I think the situation will be drastically improved by removing Kaido and Orochi, but that doesn't mean it will be entirely safe in the interim between the Straw Hats' departure and their discovery of One Piece / the start of a global war. As such, I think there are a lot more factors which complicate the equation.
Something just feels off about Yamato's arc bending toward joining the crew. Thus far, she has only shared two scenes with members of the crew and at this point doesn't have any bond with the Straw Hats to speak of, so it's hard to say she's a natural fit with the crew. We just don't have a framework for imagining Yamato alongside the rest of the Straw Hats at this point. That her story has already built toward her stating a desire to sail with Luffy without Luffy's awareness or any familiarity with other members of the crew is entirely unprecedented. It's a bit difficult to express what I got from that scene. I don't think of Yamato as a red herring because I don't think Oda created her character as a diversion or a false Straw Hat. I think she will continue to play a prominent role in the story even if it is not aboard Thousand Sunny. But I think that scene was written to be subversive. It's predicated on our familiarity with characters influenced by Luffy and the Straw Hats building to an emotionally climactic scene where they declare their commitment to the future Pirate King and express a desire to set out to sea. But that scene felt a bit hollow to me, not only because Yamato was alone, but because the Straw Hats don't even know her yet. That creates a very strange effect because the readers are already so familiar with the character. The closest we have to this situation is Jimbei being introduced to readers in chapter 528 and the rest of the crew nearly 100 chapters later. The biggest difference of course was the fact that he bonded with Luffy and remained consistently by his side as soon as he became narratively significant. Yamato has been consistently in the story for 35 chapters becoming familiar to the readers entirely separated from the Straw Hat Pirates despite opportunities for them to cross paths. That may be deliberate and certainly they're going to meet eventually.
However, this leads me to believe that Yamato's declaration is a misdirect because of the way this is all playing out. A character wanting to sail with Luffy but choosing to do otherwise is not unprecedented. Obviously, we have Vivi and Jimbei as examples, though the latter did finally officially join and as I said, I think Vivi is returning. But it's important to remember, in both cases it was because these characters had a greater commitment. Vivi prioritized her role as princess of Alabasta and Jimbei his leadership role in Ryugu Kingdom above their desire for adventure. Right now, it's clear Yamato wants to sail with Luffy, but like Oden, if there were any situation on Wano which demanded her presence or attention, she would not hesitate to set aside that personal desire.
I understand some people say this would not be satisfying or that Yamato 'deserves' to be free after 20 years of being kept under Kaido's thumb, but this is again where I point out that it will not be long before the New Dawn is extended to the entire world and Wano will be called upon to play its part in the great war that is to come against the World Government. Importantly, freedom is simply having a choice. If Yamato choses to temporarily set aside a desire to sail with Luffy to answer a higher calling, she is no less free than she would be aboard Thousand Sunny. Having a commitment to something or someone is not bondage. No one is forcing Yamato to care about Wano. She genuinely cares about the nation that Oden loved and there is no greater demonstration of love than self-sacrifice, setting aside personal goals or desires for the sake of others. If the situation on Wano demands Yamato's presence, she won't turn her back on the land of samurai.
Right now, Yamato simply doesn't have a personal dream / goal which necessitates a voyage to Laugh Tale. Oden had a purpose aboard Roger's ship, but Yamato seemingly doesn't have one aboard Luffy's. The Dawn prophecy, as it pertains to the Straw Hats, was first mentioned by Pedro and imparted to Carrot. Yamato is tied to Luffy's brother Ace, but that relationship was first established for Tama earlier in the story arc. Yamato's desire to fulfill Oden's will is also shared by Momo, Kinemon and the others. There is no individual element of Yamato's character which is yet entirely unique to her among major characters involved in this story saga.
Right now, there is still the underlying fact that Yamato is still trying to be someone else. What she wants and where she will go when the curtains close on Wano and Yamato removes the Oden costume is difficult to say at this point. Oden already completed the voyage to Laugh Tale and left no unfinished business aside from the opening of Wano's borders. As such, sailing with Luffy to be 'like Oden' would be fairly weak in terms of a motivating desire. Jimbei can go beyond what Tiger accomplished by sailing with Luffy. Franky can surpass Tom by building a ship that not only carries Luffy to Laugh Tale, but also extends the Dawn to the entire world. Zeff didn't personally discover All Blue. If Yamato is meant to be an Oden analogue aboard Sunny there would be nothing she could offer that would allow her to surpass what Oden accomplished with Roger in the same role. Yamato can't decipher Poneglyphs and thus would be like Oden with less valuable skills to offer.
Conversely, if Yamato drops the Oden act, we don't have anything established yet in terms of a motivating desire / dream which would fuel her joining the crew. It's a sort of catch-22. Being like Oden and following in Oden's footsteps essentially is the only dream / motivating desire for sailing with the Straw Hats established in the story up to this point. If Yamato joins predicated on a desire to be Oden, she doesn't really offer anything of value to the crew. She would only nominally be Oden's successor aboard Sunny because she possesses none of the skills which make Oden uniquely qualified to fulfill his role on Roger's ship. If Yamato instead drops the Oden association, we just don't have any established motivation for her to join the crew aside from a stated personal desire at this point.
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So we spent 9 years in a saga in which one of the main purposes is to put Momo into safety, just so he's immediately put again in great danger and doesn't have any peaceful time at all to heal and rule Wano, so that's how Yamato must stay..
Ok..
Uhmm.
Yeah.. not a great fan of that view.
The saga was not about making Momo safe. It's about opening Wano's borders. Momo is nthing but a servant for that cause. No one who is a threat to Imu and the World Government will be 'safe' until the Dawn is extended to the entire world, which can only happen after One Piece is discovered and Luffy takes up Roger's mantle to rise up and challenge the world as the next Pirate King.
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Oh, definitely. Because what’s cohesive storytelling and reason in the face of strongly wished for headcanon.
Everything you post is insulting or demeaning in some way and all of your arguments are made in bad faith. You aren't open to a discussion or an exchange of ideas. All you want is an echo chamber where everyone agrees with you and strokes your ego for being 'right'. You show nothing but disdain and disrespect for anyone who doesn't agree with every word you say and resultantly your presence in this thread is often toxic. Arguing in bad faith does not mean refusing to change your point of view. It means feeling the need to insult everyone who disagrees with you for the sake of not being on your side.
Person A - makes argument
Person B - makes counterargumentNeither is in bad faith regardless of which person is right or wrong. I could be wrong about Carrot joining. I am expressing my genuine belief and if I'm wrong, then I'm genuinely wrong.
Now here's where you go wrong. Instead of addressing the substance of the arguments being made, you attack the character and rationality of the person who does not share your viewpoint. You say something to the effect of 'well, you know the reason person B doesn't agree with me is because they're mentally deficient.' That is a bad faith argument. This is your default strategy and you are the person most responsible for making this thread so contentious. This is not a competition to see who is right or wrong. No one wins or loses. It's not a zero sum game.
I have said repeatedly that I think there is a chance Yamato joins the crew and have even outlined factors which I think will move the needle on her joining (establishing a relationship with any of the Straw Hat Pirates, establishing an actual dream / goal). I still think there is quite a bit of uncertainty.
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But Vivi and Shirahoshi weren't put in danger right after Luffy saved them, and neither is Momo, he's going to have great times because he's already suffered enough, heck Vivi and Shirahoshi don't even compare to what he's been thru.
Its a miracle if he doesn't already have PTSD.
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But Vivi and Shirahoshi weren't put in danger right after Luffy saved them, and neither is Momo, he's going to have great times because he's already suffered enough, heck Vivi and Shirahoshi don't even compare to what he's been thru.
Its a miracle if he doesn't already have PTSD.
Vivi is in very grave danger now though and importantly, time is running short. Luffy will confront Shanks and Teach, but very soon afterward, it's time to discover One Piece and confront the World Government.
I'm not saying Momo will be hunted the same way again, but I do think there will be parties interested in taking advantage of Wano's newly opened borders, including the Marines, because there is apparently some uniquely special quality about this particular nation which is yet to be revealed. Kaido even says he specifically chose Wano as his base of operations on that basis. Wano's borders need to remain open until Luffy finds One Piece and that may take some degree of effort and necessitate the presence of a deterrent force.
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@Vongola_Boss_XI:
Vivi is in very grave danger now.
But she had it pretty good for over two years.
Same with Shirahoshi, she had lots of fun, and might be put in danger again due to Caribou's knowledge.
And the most likely scenario is that Momo will follow up the same treatment, he's gonna have it, and deserves it, to have good times until the last war kicks in.
And heck, you wouldn't even achieve to put Momo in danger if you leave someone like Yamato guarding him, it would make more sense that Momo had been kidnapped because Yamato left..
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Yes, soon-to-be-former-isolationist Wano that has been able to stay independent of the WG for 800 years, even long before Kaido appeared, and is not constantly overrun by invading pirates definitely needs Yamato to stay behind to protect it. Just like Alabasta, Water 7, Fishman Island and Dressrosa, all locations with direct ties to the Void Century, the 20 founding kingdoms of the WG, and/or the Ancient Weapons, some of which were left in a very vulnerable state, locations that are constantly visited by pirates on their way through the Grand Line, needed an additional protector. Am I right, guys?
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I'm completely on Yams train so I'd like to ask a question to everyone who isn't…
After the battle is over ( or even during it ) Luffy has to respond to Yamatos request to join SHs, what reason for not joining do you see Luffy giving to Yams or how do you see that scene/rejection play out?
I haven't seen that discussed much, so I'm just curious about what others think :D
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Again, argue for Carrot however you like but if she doesnt appear in the story at all and Oda doesnt even bother to show her in a random shot, I think her chances are not good at all (if any).
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The only way I see Yams not joining the SHs is if he goes with a different crew like with Kidd or Law which is unlikely…what if he joins the Marine’s sword division with Drake? Would be weird af lol but I don’t see why Yam won’t be a SH by the end of this arc. No way he stays on the island, he wants to be free and see the world.
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@statu:
I'm completely on Yams train so I'd like to ask a question to everyone who isn't…
After the battle is over ( or even during it ) Luffy has to respond to Yamatos request to join SHs, what reason for not joining do you see Luffy giving to Yams or how do you see that scene/rejection play out?
I haven't seen that discussed much, so I'm just curious about what others think :D
( and IMHO if you think Yams isn't joining we need a good answer to that one before discussing other things )Only reason I can think of is Luffy asking Yamato to possibly look after Momo, but the again, with Luffy wanting Momo to be his own man and receiving any help he needs like from the citizens and remaining scabbards, I honestly find it pretty unlikely Luffy is inclining to reject Yamato.
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I feel like the crew would become hella strong with Yamato. If not, "too strong". Seriously, I'm looking forward to the end of that fight against Kaido. If she can face the "strongest creature in the world" on a 1vs1 just like Luffy. She really doesn't need to join Luffy's crew. I can't picture anyone stronger than Zoro in the crew (except for Luffy of course).
One would argue that Jinbei and Sanji have higher bounties than Zoro. But it was only a matter of time until Zoro was to take his "first-mate" position back. Which he did by facing Kaido along the other supernovas and giving him a scar with Oden's sword. He doesn't have the second highest bounty yet, but he's gonna get it.Anyway, it looks like Yamato is Strawhat material. But I'm not completely totally entirely sold
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Seeing the volume 100 cover reminds me that Carrot really doesn't seem to be considered as a potential crewmate.
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Franky, Brook and Jinbe all appeared in Straw Hat group shots before their joinings were made official. Carrot simply doesn't have an excuse there. Oda has never been afraid about hinting those things beforehand.
So if Yamato doesn't join, the only viable candidate imo would be Vivi.
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@statu:
I'm completely on Yams train so I'd like to ask a question to everyone who isn't…
After the battle is over ( or even during it ) Luffy has to respond to Yamatos request to join SHs, what reason for not joining do you see Luffy giving to Yams or how do you see that scene/rejection play out?
I haven't seen that discussed much, so I'm just curious about what others think :D
( and IMHO if you think Yams isn't joining we need a good answer to that one before discussing other things )I think Yamato will realise he's meant to be a captain of his own. Luffy will tell him about Ace and Sabo not joining his crew, he will meet Tama who shares the same promise with Ace, he will meet Carrot who will tell him of her adventures at sea. He will remember Ace saying he was strong enough to be a captain, and, in the end, he will decide he will have his own adventures.
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I hope Yamato is smarter than trying to tackle the New World as someone with absolutely no seafaring experience and the inability to swim, together with two other people who have no clue about navigation, cooking or medicine, one of whom is still a child. They would all die within a couple of days, max.
Luffy managed to get by because the East Blue is harmless as shit and Nami bailed him and Zoro out for a while. Yamato doesn't have that luxury. -
Call Iceburg, make Wano a moving island. And Yamato will set sail while protecting Momonosuke. Problem solved.
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I hope Yamato is smarter than trying to tackle the New World as someone with absolutely no seafaring experience and the inability to swim, together with two other people who have no clue about navigation, cooking or medicine, one of whom is still a child. They would all die within a couple of days, max.
Luffy managed to get by because the East Blue is harmless as shit and Nami bailed him and Zoro out for a while. Yamato doesn't have that luxury.As if those small things would stop the call for adventure. If Bartolomeu can survive in the New World, Yamato can too.
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As if those small things would stop the call for adventure. If Bartolomeu can survive in the New World, Yamato can too.
Bartolomeo had plenty of time to find capable people to help him, and both East Blue and Paradise to practice. Yamato would throw himself, someone who thought invading a Yonkou's territory would be a fun daytrip with a picnic, and an 8-year-old child into the deep end, quite literally.
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Bartolomeo had plenty of time to find capable people to help him, and both East Blue and Paradise to practice.
No, he survived without a freaking navigator, lol.
Plus, there's the Beast Pirates, especially the converted gifters. Yamato, Tama and Carrot will have easy access to a fine ship, and plenty of help from experienced sailors on their new crew.
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Yamato and Carrot do feel and have been treated like completely separate characters that will never meet, nor interact in any way.
Carrot herself hasn't even interacted with Luffy in like 100 chapters for example. Interacting with the friend of the guy she barely interacts with..
Highly unlikely.
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Yamato and Carrot do feel and have been treated like completely separate characters that will never meet, nor interact in any way.
Carrot herself hasn't even interacted with Luffy in like 100 chapters for example. Interacting with the friend of the guy she barely interacts with..
Highly unlikely.
They'll meet in the big parties in the epilogue at the very least.
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They'll meet in the big parties in the epilogue at the very least.
That's entirely fanfic.
Even Bartolomeo and Sai never went; yo' wassap we homies now!
Its only because they both are constantly brought up in this thread that you came up with that idea, they been kept separate and within their own narrative in the series, nothing points out to any meeting at all.
Heck, if we didnt discuss them so much, you would likely never came up with that idea at all, just like a meeting between Yatappe and Onimaru is somehow not in your mind.
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No, he survived without a freaking navigator, lol.
Psh, who needs a navigator when you have Grandma on a Den-Den Mushi line at all times? So the real question is, who and where is Kaido's mom?
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I find it interesting how some people seem so ready to believe Yamato will turn back on the desire to set sail and stay on Wano despite constantly voicing the desire to set sail at sea, not just as a desire to carry on Oden’s will, but to also feel free as well.
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I just saw that same idea about Yamato possibly joining Law or Kid somewhere else as well. I can't really see it. Is that from some theory or something? @Buggy Clown
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/oooyro/why_it_doesnt_make_sense_for_xxxx_to_stay_in_wano/
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The statements about leaving make sense and adds to his case, but then he mentions fighting for Wano as another thing keeping him on the island. The things Yamato says about sailing out get erased by statements like that.
No they don't.
Yamato is doing the same thing Luffy is doing.
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I just saw that same idea about Yamato possibly joining Law or Kid somewhere else as well. I can't really see it. Is that from some theory or something? @Buggy Clown
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/oooyro/why_it_doesnt_make_sense_for_xxxx_to_stay_in_wano/
He either stays at Wano or goes with Luffy. There really isn't a third option that I would entertain at this point. He's an unknown to everyone in the alliance except Luffy, Franky, Shinobu, and Momo, so him ending up on someone else's ship just sounds highly unlikely.
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No, he survived without a freaking navigator, lol.
Plus, there's the Beast Pirates, especially the converted gifters. Yamato, Tama and Carrot will have easy access to a fine ship, and plenty of help from experienced sailors on their new crew.
If this happens, i'd think Shinobu and Momo would possibly be on this fine ship as well. Been waiting on Carrot to bond or interact with Momo more to build that case. The spirit of Ace, Pedro, and Oden on that fine ship with Momo. Sprinkle some composed and collective characters like Pekoms and Kiku in there.
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Usopp, Sanji, Nami, Chopper, Franky, and Jinbei all had business in their homes that they needed to take care of and defend from invaders before they could leave. It's not new.
Yamato has declared he's leaving Wano when this is over multiple times now, and explicitly with Luffy most recently.
He's not staying in Wano.
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It would be weird for Yamato to stay in Wano. There would need to be a really strong reason granted to him for that to happen. That doesn't mean he will join the Straw Hats though, there is still the New Beast Pirate captain as an option as Oda needs to find a way to keep them under control after the arc is done but there are other characters (like Tama) that could also fit that.
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@Vongola_Boss_XI:
I consider each character independently and don't think the crew has a limit of 10. I have been holding onto a Smoker for Straw Hat theory since 2006 and I have always believed Vivi will return to the ship before Laugh Tale. No reason to say one character influences the other. No matter what happens with Yamato, I think Carrot will join.
This is not about one character influencing the other. Its about a pattern.
Thats why i think other strawhats were brought up in comparison.
Wanting to be Oden means protecting Wano at all costs.
Except for when he wanted to leave the first time and didn't return when he had the chance when his wife got sick. Even then his wife basically told him if you give up on seeking adventure and solving this mystery cuz I'm sick I'll die anyway.
Pretending that Oden was some hero that wanted to protect Wano at all costs is a lie.
Either you're lying and exaggerating to make a point or you don't know what "at all costs" means.
Growing up, Oden was not focused on protecting Wano. It was only until he was much older and discovered Wano's importance that he had more of an interest in the country, its place in the world (and history), and opening it's borders.
Even with all of that aside, Oden didn't know Wano was gonna have a Kaido come through and wreck shit let alone Orochi would take over the country. He didn't know so there was no reason to go back and protect it.
Yamato is leaving. There's no reason for him to think Wano will
Oden only sailed with Roger out of necessity.
This isn't true.
Is this more hyperbole?
Oden didn't need to sail with Roger. Him accepting Roger's offer was solely out of desire. He wanted to sail with Roger and he wanted to discover the mystery behind Wano's connection and his family's to the poneglyphs and the secret hidden last island. None of that is a need.
I don't think Wano and/or Momo are going to be entirely free and clear at the end of this arc. I think the situation will be drastically improved by removing Kaido and Orochi, but that doesn't mean it will be entirely safe in the interim between the Straw Hats' departure and their discovery of One Piece / the start of a global war. As such, I think there are a lot more factors which complicate the equation.
None of this really matters.
You could say the same of Dressrosa or Alabasta or Drum. No island is entirely safe. Wano is in the New World. There's a bunch of strong pirates everywhere.
This isn't a reason for Yamato to stay behind unless Big Mom or Blackbeard or the world government or some other shady person/group say they're coming to Wano to wage war and in that instance even Luffy would say he'd come back for that conflict.
However, this leads me to believe that Yamato's declaration is a misdirect because of the way this is all playing out. A character wanting to sail with Luffy but choosing to do otherwise is not unprecedented. Obviously, we have Vivi and Jimbei as examples, though the latter did finally officially join and as I said, I think Vivi is returning. But it's important to remember, in both cases it was because these characters had a greater commitment. Vivi prioritized her role as princess of Alabasta and Jimbei his leadership role in Ryugu Kingdom above their desire for adventure. Right now, it's clear Yamato wants to sail with Luffy, but like Oden, if there were any situation on Wano which demanded her presence or attention, she would not hesitate to set aside that personal desire.
Oden was suppose to take over for his father. He knew of this obligation since he was a child.
He left Wano anyway.
Also, Jimbe didn't leave or join cuz he had already committed himself to Big Mom in return for her protection of his island.
Everything Vivi did was for her country. She was never leaving and joining a pirate crew. Oda simply didn't write that type of personality in to her character.
Also going by what you think will happen, this point is circular and leads to Yamato joining the crew anyway. Vivi is in trouble and that may potentially lead to her being with the strawhats. Jimbe ditched Big Mom and officially joined the strawhats. So even if Yamato doesn't join immediately after this arc going by what you think something will happen to lead Yamato to end up joining/being with the crew
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Luffy referred to Yamato as an ally once when yelling at Shinobu (989). This was like 4 chapters after Yamato said that he should be getting a ride on Luffy's ship. After asking for the ride, Luffy went right into saying there's no way Yamato can be Oden (985).
Before Yamato mentioned wanting to ride on Luffy's ship, he said he chose to open Wano to the world (984).
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@Zik:
This is not about one character influencing the other. Its about a pattern.
Thats why i think other strawhats were brought up in comparison.
Except for when he wanted to leave the first time and didn't return when he had the chance when his wife got sick. Even then his wife basically told him if you give up on seeking adventure and solving this mystery cuz I'm sick I'll die anyway.
Pretending that Oden was some hero that wanted to protect Wano at all costs is a lie.
Either you're lying and exaggerating to make a point or you don't know what "at all costs" means.
Growing up, Oden was not focused on protecting Wano. It was only until he was much older and discovered Wano's importance that he had more of an interest in the country, its place in the world (and history), and opening it's borders.
Even with all of that aside, Oden didn't know Wano was gonna have a Kaido come through and wreck shit let alone Orochi would take over the country. He didn't know so there was no reason to go back and protect it.
Yamato is leaving. There's no reason for him to think Wano will
This isn't true.
Is this more hyperbole?
Oden didn't need to sail with Roger. Him accepting Roger's offer was solely out of desire. He wanted to sail with Roger and he wanted to discover the mystery behind Wano's connection and his family's to the poneglyphs and the secret hidden last island. None of that is a need.
None of this really matters.
You could say the same of Dressrosa or Alabasta or Drum. No island is entirely safe. Wano is in the New World. There's a bunch of strong pirates everywhere.
This isn't a reason for Yamato to stay behind unless Big Mom or Blackbeard or the world government or some other shady person/group say they're coming to Wano to wage war and in that instance even Luffy would say he'd come back for that conflict.
Oden was suppose to take over for his father. He knew of this obligation since he was a child.
He left Wano anyway.
Also, Jimbe didn't leave or join cuz he had already committed himself to Big Mom in return for her protection of his island.
Everything Vivi did was for her country. She was never leaving and joining a pirate crew. Oda simply didn't write that type of personality in to her character.
Also going by what you think will happen, this point is circular and leads to Yamato joining the crew anyway. Vivi is in trouble and that may potentially lead to her being with the strawhats. Jimbe ditched Big Mom and officially joined the strawhats. So even if Yamato doesn't join immediately after this arc going by what you think something will happen to lead Yamato to end up joining/being with the crew
Wow, lying? Hyperbole? That's potent language. It couldn't possibly be I see the story a little bit different from you right? You have to attach some malicious attributes because you're too fragile to handle disagreement right? Try re-reading and actually understanding Oden's character. Oden matured over the course of his voyage. He was irresponsible when he left with Whitebeard. He did abandon Wano and it had very real ramifications. He returned and wanted to stay, but only continued on the last leg of Roger's voyage because he had an even greater responsibility. Everything changed for Oden when he met Roger. Everything about his motivation was different in that last part of the voyage. Guiding Roger to the end of the Grand Line and discovering the True History is essential for the entire world, not just Wano. Oden only left because he had to leave and Wano has endured the price for the past twenty years. They have sacrificed for the sake of realizing the New Dawn someday.
The enemies that Luffy will have to face are greater than Kaido, Big Mom, an Blackbeard - Imu and the World Government. They have controlled the world for 800 years. Roger was too early, but his final words ignited the great Pirate Era and set in motion the chain of events which will result in Luffy re-discovering the treasure left behind by Joyboy at the right time. Oden played an integral role in that process.
Oden did not sail with Roger for the pure joy of adventure. He sailed with Roger to realize his destiny.
The mistake you're making is saying Yamato will sail with Luffy for the same reasons Oden sailed with Whitebeard, not with Roger. Oden changed pretty dramatically over the course of his voyage. Yamaato got a cheat sheet of sorts. She read the reflections of an older and wiser Oden. Being free at all costs was the mantra of a young and immature would-be shogun who left behind Wano for a life of adventure. Opening Wano's borders at all costs was the primary focus of the man who returned, having learned the truth of the world alongside Roger. Oden sailed with Roger for a purpose. If Yamato is going to sail with Luffy in the same way Oden sailed with Roger, it has to be for a purpose. It cannot be for the ambiguous, non-specific goal of 'being free.'
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I don't think Yamato's going to join because he's like Oden….. I think he's going to join because he's literally said that multiple times
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@statu:
I'm completely on Yams train so I'd like to ask a question to everyone who isn't…
After the battle is over ( or even during it ) Luffy has to respond to Yamatos request to join SHs, what reason for not joining do you see Luffy giving to Yams or how do you see that scene/rejection play out?
I haven't seen that discussed much, so I'm just curious about what others think :D
( and IMHO if you think Yams isn't joining we need a good answer to that one before discussing other things )I mean even if Luffy somehow dodges Yamato wanting to join the crew once he asks to sail with Luffy and the crew Luffy will immediately say yes.
Just like he did with Miss Wednesday and Mr. 9, Robin, etc.
Probably add some of that × is a good person intuition Luffy picks up on for ppl.
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@Vongola_Boss_XI:
Wow, lying? Hyperbole? That's potent language. It couldn't possibly be I see the story a little bit different from you right?
They're either exaggerations or untrue statements. The things you're saying are the opposite of what happened.
You can interpret things differently but you can't just make stuff up.
You have to attach some malicious attributes
I don't consider hyperbole a malicious attribute.
Lying sure can be but I guess there's more of a issue here with identifying the lie instead of dealing with the pettiness of being accused of lying and the malicious-ness attached to that attribute.
because you're too fragile to handle disagreement right?
If someone is lying (or being hyperbolic) why would I beat around the bush about it and not simply call it like I see it
It has nothing to do with disagreeing with you. Dont know why you made that assumption. I could agree with you and still think you're lying or over exaggerating about something.
The assumption you've made about disagreements and fragility is just weird especially since that's the only thing you assumed. I'd suggest to stop assuming from here on out.
Try re-reading and actually understanding Oden's character. Oden matured over the course of his voyage. He was irresponsible when he left with Whitebeard. He did abandon Wano and it had very real ramifications. He returned and wanted to stay, but only continued on the last leg of Roger's voyage because he had an even greater responsibility
All of what you're saying here seems like you're just trying to rationalize your false statement.
Oden did not need to go sail with Roger. He chose to because he wanted to.
Everything changed for Oden when he met Roger. Everything about his motivation was different in that last part of the voyage. Guiding Roger to the end of the Grand Line and discovering the True History is essential for the entire world, not just Wano.
Essential? According to who?
The world was not going to end if Oden didn't help Roger. People weren't going to all drop dead. The world would've kept spinning, ppl would've kept living their lives, some more in ignorance than others.
In story, Oden sailed with Roger cuz he wanted to. From a story telling perspective, Oden sailed with Roger cuz he was another domino in starting the great age of piracy which led to Shanks being the pirate he is which led to Luffy becoming the pirate he is to have the story we're enjoying.
Oden only left because he had to leave and Wano has endured the price for the past twenty years. They have sacrificed for the sake of realizing the New Dawn someday.
The enemies that Luffy will have to face are greater than Kaido, Big Mom, an Blackbeard - Imu and the World Government. They have controlled the world for 800 years. Roger was too early, but his final words ignited the great Pirate Era and set in motion the chain of events which will result in Luffy re-discovering the treasure left behind by Joyboy at the right time. Oden played an integral role in that process.
Oden did not sail with Roger for the pure joy of adventure. He sailed with Roger to realize his destiny.
If you weren't lying and weren't using hyperbole it seems you're using all of these words to say you were mistaken and used the wrong word. It wasn't a necessity. Doesnt really matter how you want to describe Oden's journey and development as a person.
The mistake you're making is saying Yamato will sail with Luffy for the same reasons Oden sailed with Whitebeard, not with Roger.
I never said either of those things.
Weren't you just talking about putting words in other ppl's mouths?
I simply made comparisons and parallels since you used false statements to draw a parallel between Oden and Yamato.
Oden sailed with Roger for a purpose.
Again this is not a need.
Neither is destiny.
I feel like your entire Oden and Yamato analysis doesn't have the support you think it does. Especially when you have to say things that didn't happen to do it.
If Yamato is going to sail with Luffy in the same way Oden sailed with Roger, it has to be for a purpose. It cannot be for the ambiguous, non-specific goal of 'being free.'
I never suggested anything of the sort.
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@Zik:
I mean even if Luffy somehow dodges Yamato wanting to join the crew once he asks to sail with Luffy and the crew Luffy will immediately say yes.
Just like he did with Miss Wednesday and Mr. 9, Robin, etc.
Probably add some of that × is a good person intuition Luffy picks up on for ppl.
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They're either exaggerations or untrue statements. The things you're saying are the opposite of what happened.
You can interpret things differently but you can't just make stuff up.
I don't consider hyperbole a malicious attribute.
Lying sure can be but I guess there's more of a issue here with identifying the lie instead of dealing with the pettiness of being accused of lying and the malicious-ness attached to that attribute.
If someone is lying (or being hyperbolic) why would I beat about the bush about it and not simply call it like I see it
It has nothing to do with disagreeing with you. Dont know why you made that assumption. I could agree with you and still think you're lying or over exaggerating about something.
The assumption you've made about disagreements and fragility is just weird especially since that's the only thing you assumed. I'd suggest to stop assuming from here on out.
All of what you're saying here seems like you're just trying to rationalize your false statement.
Oden did not need to go sail with Roger. He chose to because he wanted to.
Essential? According to who?
The world was not going to end if Oden didn't help Roger. People weren't going to all drop dead. The world would've kept spinning, ppl would've kept living their lives, some more in ignorance than others.
In story, Oden sailed with Roger cuz he wanted to. From a story telling perspective, Oden sailed with Roger cuz he was another domino in starting the great age of piracy which led to Shanks being the pirate he is which led to Luffy becoming the pirate he is to have the story we're enjoying.
If you weren't lying and weren't using hyperbole it seems you're using all of these words to say you were mistaken and used the wrong word. It wasn't a necessity. Doesnt really matter how you want to describe Oden's journey and development as a person.
I never said either of those things.
Weren't you just talking about putting words in other ppl's mouths?
I simply made comparisons and parallels since you used false statements to draw a parallel between Oden and Yamato.
Again this is not a need.
Neither is destiny.
I feel like your entire Oden and Yamato analysis doesn't have the support you think it does. Especially when you have to say things that didn't happen to do it.
I never suggested anything of the sort.
It's demonstrably true Oden gave everything to protect Wano and open its borders after he was matured by his voyage with Roger. If you say otherwise, you are the one who is objectively incorrect.
Destiny is one of the central themes of the entire series. But yes, Oden did need to sail with Roger. That is exactly why Toki pushed him back out to sea. Oden said as much in his journal. He recognized his meeting with Roger as more than chance. He realized that he was uniquely qualified to guide Roger to Laugh Tale and as such, it was fate, destiny, which brought the two together. The guiding hand of fate is at work in the lives of the Straw Hats as well. Luffy is no less of a chosen or destined hero than archetypal characters like Luke Skywalker and Harry Potter.
Roger discovering One Piece was absolutely critical. Roger himself was too early, but he paved the way for Luffy. He became the herald to Luffy's hero's journey. He profoundly influenced the state of the world and chose his final words to intentionally create the era in which his successor will at last arrive at the appointed time to bring the New Dawn. Oden was absolutely critical in helping Roger fulfill his role in the world. Beyond just One Piece, Roger assembled the Rio Poneglyph on Laugh Tale. 'I hereby deliver this message to its end.' This is the reason Nox is no longer needed. Roger and Oden gathered the necessary Poneglyps according to the enscription left on the Golden Bell in Skypiea.
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@Vongola_Boss_XI:
It's demonstrably true Oden gave everything to protect Wano and open its borders after he was matured by his voyage with Roger.
Perhaps you should reread my post.
I'm not talking about that.
Gave my insights about that and what it means in its relation to Yamato.
The statement "Wanting to be Oden means protecting Wano at all costs" is false. Even if it were true, that statement doesn't translate in to Yamato wanting to be Oden results in he should stay behind on Wano and protect it since once Oden left Wano and didn't return when he had the chance he never knew the problems of the country while he was away. The same would be the case for Yamato once he leaves.
Wanting to be Vivi would mean wanting to protect Alabasta at all costs. That makes more sense than using Oden for a statement like that.
Then there's your whole speculation about you thinking Wano won't be safe after Kaido (and Orochi) is defeated so that's a reason for why Yamato should stay there. Adding your interpretation of events and speculation for why a character will stay behind, calling that character's wishes to leave misdirection, and just straight up ignoring the story in past situations is weird to say the least. Like I said the whole take on it seems incredibly incorrect.
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Yamato already said in this week's chapter that part of the reason she chose to remain on Wano is because she could not be Oden if she left Wano in peril. Yamato is patterning herself on the mature Oden who left behind his memoirs after having discovered One Piece and learning just how important Wano is to the endgame of the series.
And I freely admitted that it's speculative, but I do think there's reason to believe opportunists may arrive at the end of the arc because of the real world historical basis for the opening of Wano's borders and the conversation between Sakazuki and Sengoku in chapter 957 in which Sengoku implied the Marines should do something about Wano. Add in the fact that Momo possess an artificial Devil Fruit highly coveted by the World Government and CP0 are presently on Onigashima gathering intel and I think there's a very real reason to believe Wano will have to contend with some outside influences when the dust settles. It's speculation, sure, but so is assuming the land will be perfectly free and safe.
I have said there's a chance Yamato will join. I have never denied that. I'm simply saying that I do not yet consider it a foregone conclusion because there are still some issues and the path to joining doesn't seem as free of obstruction as many people believe. I also want to point out that what a character wants to do and what a character actually does are not necessarily always the same thing, particularly if they have a higher priority or purpose. Oden did not want to leave Wano when Toki was ill. He said explicitly that he wanted to stay. But he had to go. Toki and he both knew it, but Toki pushed him to do so. They both had the sense that there was something important about this mission, which was verified in what Oden discovered on Laugh Tale. Oden returned with the knowledge that Wano's borders need to be open.
The biggest issues for me right now with Yamato joining are that she does not yet have any relationship to the crew and that there is no clearly discernable dream or goal which would drive her to sail with the Straw Hats. Maybe those things will develop and if they do, it can change my view on her joining. My point about Oden is that 'being free like Oden', is not a suitable motivation to join the Straw Hat Pirates. If Oden is the basis for Yamato joining, it must be based on something about Oden's voyage which was left incomplete and which Yamato is uniquely qualified to fulfill. Right now, I don't think anything like that has been established yet.
I didn't say Yamato's wishes are misdirection. I said the scene strikes me as being potentially intentionally subversive because of the context. Yamato says she wants to sail with Luffy, but that only has weight because of reader's familiarity with Oda's existing pattern of writing scenes like this for Straw Hats and I think he may be doing something else with Yamato's character arc because nothing else about it feels natural to joining the crew. Yamato's story built to an emotional crescendo where she states her desire to sail with Luffy without having ever actually encountered the majority of the crew. The fact is, Yamato already did demand Luffy take her to see and he ignored her. He didn't blink when she mentioned his dead brother Ace, balked at her desire to be Oden, and then quickly forgot her name. Luffy seemed rather dismissive, annoyed, and confused by Yamato. From Luffy's perspective, Yamato's no different from X. Drake.
For every other Straw Hat, the moment where they declared their fealty to Luffy came after building a strong relationship with Luffy and the crew. The crew were not unaware of their future companion's existence at the moment where this important declaration occurs. And that's why, to me, it strikes me as potentially being intentionally subversive and could instead be building to Yamato being steered in a different direction. Yamato does have a higher loyalty right now to the people and nation Oden wanted to protect and so I'm saying that Yamato's ultimate role in the story is going to be in part determined by the status of Wano at the end of the arc. Yamato's arc has played out entirely detached from the Straw Hat Pirates for going on 40 chapters, which is unusual to say the least for a theoretical future Straw Hat. Yamato's arc has not been defined by her relationship to the crew, but to Oden, Momo, and Wano. Luffy isn't a person to Yamato yet. He's nothing but a concept.
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@Vongola_Boss_XI:
Yamato already said in this week's chapter that part of the reason she chose to remain on Wano is because she could not be Oden if she left Wano in peril. Yamato is patterning herself on the mature Oden who left behind his memoirs after having discovered One Piece and learning just how important Wano is to the endgame of the series.
Yeah but you're talking about the possibility of Wano being in peril after Kaido is defeated. Thats a completely different situation when Yamato leaves after Kaido is defeated. Just like it was when Oden left and didnt return when he could've (he could've returned at any time on WB's or Roger's ship, he wanted to continue sailing the seas) and Orochi/Kaido happened.
Also I don't know why ppl are ignoring the obvious sequence of events. Kaido will be defeated, Wano will not be in peril (like countless other islands, towns, and countries), Yamato will have fulfilled his obligation and leave. Thats all his statements imply. It's really no different than Luffy's declarations.
Hypothetically speaking, let's say Wiper joined the crew. As dedicated and as much as he loved his ppl, their history, and how sacred he held Upper Yard lets say he had immense interest in the blue sea so he joined. Sky islands are popular places/myths and pirates with enough courage do make it up there (just like pirates going to the Baratie or Alabasta or Drum or Fishman Island or even Dawn island). That's just life. Wiper isn't going to spend his time worrying if the Shandians are being attacked or of he has shamed his ancestors by not being there. Same would go for Yamato and his identifying as Oden. Same would go for Sanji, Nami, Chopper, Jimbe, and Franky caring about their hometowns or places they consider home.
You don't make your desires (let alone dreams) secondary to what ifs.
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@Zik:
Yeah but you're talking about the possibility of Wano being in peril after Kaido is defeated. Thats a completely different situation when Yamato leaves after Kaido is defeated. Just like it was when Oden left and didnt return when he could've (he could've returned at any time on WB's or Roger's ship, he wanted to continue sailing the seas) and Orochi/Kaido happened.
Also I don't know why ppl are ignoring the obvious sequence of events. Kaido will be defeated, Wano will not be in peril (like countless other islands, towns, and countries), Yamato will have fulfilled his obligation and leave. Thats all his statements imply. It's really no different than Luffy's declarations.
Hypothetically speaking, let's say Wiper joined the crew. As dedicated and as much as he loved his ppl, their history, and how sacred he held Upper Yard lets say he had immense interest in the blue sea so he joined. Sky islands are popular places/myths and pirates with enough courage do make it up there (just like pirates going to the Baratie or Alabasta or Drum or Fishman Island or even Dawn island). That's just life. Wiper isn't going to spend his time worrying if the Shandians are being attacked or of he has shamed his ancestors by not being there. Same would go for Yamato and his identifying as Oden. Same would go for Sanji, Nami, Chopper, Jimbe, and Franky caring about their hometowns or places they consider home.
You don't make your desires (let alone dreams) secondary to what ifs.
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I didn't say Yamato's wishes are misdirection. I said the scene strikes me as being potentially intentionally subversive because of the context. Yamato says she wants to sail with Luffy, but that only has weight because of reader's familiarity with Oda's existing pattern of writing scenes like this for Straw Hats and I think he may be doing something else with Yamato's character arc because nothing else about it feels natural to joining the crew. Yamato's story built to an emotional crescendo where she states her desire to sail with Luffy without having ever actually encountered the majority of the crew. The fact is, Yamato already did demand Luffy take her to see and he ignored her. He didn't blink when she mentioned his dead brother Ace, balked at her desire to be Oden, and then quickly forgot her name. Luffy seemed rather dismissive, annoyed, and confused by Yamato. From Luffy's perspective, Yamato's no different from X. Drake.
For every other Straw Hat, the moment where they declared their fealty to Luffy came after building a strong relationship with Luffy and the crew. The crew were not unaware of their future companion's existence at the moment where this important declaration occurs. And that's why, to me, it strikes me as potentially being intentionally subversive and could instead be building to Yamato being steered in a different direction. Yamato does have a higher loyalty right now to the people and nation Oden wanted to protect and so I'm saying that Yamato's ultimate role in the story is going to be in part determined by the status of Wano at the end of the arc. Yamato's arc has played out entirely detached from the Straw Hat Pirates for going on 40 chapters, which is unusual to say the least for a theoretical future Straw Hat. Yamato's arc has not been defined by her relationship to the crew, but to Oden, Momo, and Wano. Luffy isn't a person to Yamato yet. He's nothing but a concept.
I also don't consider Yamato's stated desire to sail with Luffy a dream, which is, as I said, one of the big question marks I still have regarding Yamato potentially joining. She doesn't seem to have a dream. All of the Straw Hats want to sail and be free. What differentiates them is the reason they want to sail and be free. And right now, Yamato's stated reason is just 'to be free like Oden was free'. She would have gone with Ace if she could have.
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I also want to point out that what a character wants to do and what a character actually does are not necessarily always the same thing
Characters that don't end up doing what they said, don't oftenly get disproportionate amounts of attention repeating the same thing over and over, nor they are dedicated a memorable and remarkable moment against the main villain of a 9year long saga declaring the same thing right in front of him.
When you're being written in this particular way(see Jinbro cutting ties with Linlin), its because you're absolutely going to end up doing that exactly.
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It would be weird for Yamato to stay in Wano. There would need to be a really strong reason granted to him for that to happen. That doesn't mean he will join the Straw Hats though, there is still the New Beast Pirate captain as an option as Oda needs to find a way to keep them under control after the arc is done but there are other characters (like Tama) that could also fit that.
That rarely ever happens.
There was never a new Baroque Works Leader, a new God controlling Enel's priests, the brand new Donquixote Pirates of Buffallo never happened either, and the rebel fishmen that followed Hodi ended up working for Neptune.
Those crews the SH's pulverize on their way oftenly separate, without Kaido, the Tobi Roppo would be back to being captains on their own, the Calamities can't escape capture as good as Kaido that we know of, the Gifters already have a new leader, etc
They're already being divided tho, there would be no longer 30,000 army, but a bunch of separate factions of which only Waiters and Pleasures would remain leaderless, and is not like Yamato is fighting for them at all.Heck!, Nobody cared about a new Beast Pirate leadwr before Yamato's introduction
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@Vongola_Boss_XI:
And I freely admitted that it's speculative, but I do think there's reason to believe opportunists may arrive at the end of the arc because of the real world historical basis for the opening of Wano's borders and the conversation between Sakazuki and Sengoku in chapter 957 in which Sengoku implied the Marines should do something about Wano. Add in the fact that Momo possess an artificial Devil Fruit highly coveted by the World Government and CP0 are presently on Onigashima gathering intel and I think there's a very real reason to believe Wano will have to contend with some outside influences when the dust settles. It's speculation, sure, but so is assuming the land will be perfectly free and safe.
You can say something similar to this of almost any island the strawhats have been to and a bunch more they haven't been to.
The goal isn't being entirely safe. Thats not realistic. The entire notion is ridiculous really. Nobody has said Wano will be free from any problems from here on out. Any hard times they face from here on out will be dealt with by their leader and his followers. Its a nation of samurai. Its highly unlikely they're going to face a threat on the level of Kaido right after dealing with him.
It took two years in story and over a decade in real time for Oda to even hint that Vivi may be in danger. Same for Shirahoshi. Same for the Baratie back in WCI. Conveniently, Kuro didn't return and kill Kaya after Luffy left. In the 2 years since, Enel didn't return and send Skypeia crashing to earth. Besides random bad events by other ppl it just progresses the story like BB sacking Drum and kicking Wapol out. Nobody important to Chopper died.
I'm just not worried Wano will be in grave danger after Kaido.
Also if the Marines amd World gov. come to Wano looking to get Momo's DF, experiment on him, force him to ally with them, etc. Yamato won't be enough anyway. The strawhats will have to return. Doubt Oda's penning that as next arc or arc after the next.
Oden did not want to leave Wano when Toki was ill. He said explicitly that he wanted to stay. But he had to go. Toki and he both knew it, but Toki pushed him to do so. They both had the sense that there was something important about this mission, which was verified in what Oden discovered on Laugh Tale. Oden returned with the knowledge that Wano's borders need to be open.
I already brought this up.
Specifically to differentiate a need from a strong desire.
As for your concerns about Yamato the arc isn't over yet and a lot can be addressed before and after he joins.
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Won't stay long to discuss, but I find it very interesting Oda has not made Yamato encounter a single Red Scabbard. Not Kinemon, Ashura Doji, the Dukes, Izo, Denjiro, Raizo, Kawamatsu, or even Kanjuro (as far as we know). There may be a reason for that.
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Maybe because he is their successor. They might get time to talk in the future since they all want to open the border of Wano.
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Jinbro didn't interact a lot with Fukaboshi, Mamboshi, The Ministers, etc
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I just saw that same idea about Yamato possibly joining Law or Kid somewhere else as well. I can't really see it. Is that from some theory or something? @Buggy Clown
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/oooyro/why_it_doesnt_make_sense_for_xxxx_to_stay_in_wano/
Understanding that things can change at any time, there’s really nothing else which is further inclining me to think that Yamato won’t set sail with Luffy after Wano ends. I know that Yamato barely knows Luffy, and vice versa, but I think after Luffy gave Yamato freedom and helped Luffy our by holding Kaido back, I think enough of a foundation has been established for a potential friendship there at this point.
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The further this arc goes, the less interest I have in Yamato. Sometimes I feel the arc would be better without him at all. He has added very little of his own, so far he's just there to tie together different plot threads. Maybe the story would be flowing a little better with one less entity to worry about.
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The further this arc goes, the less interest I have in Yamato. Sometimes I feel the arc would be better without him at all. He has added very little of his own, so far he's just there to tie together different plot threads. Maybe the story would be flowing a little better with one less entity to worry about.
Yamato managed to protect Momo like Luffy asked and is holding Kaido off from hurting anyone else beyond Kinemon. Somehow, I don't think those would amount to being small matters.