I thought of brown but lol, that's already Chopper too, so I'm thinking only viable option now is Yellow.
Red would go pretty well with the outfit he's wearing. Blue would work.
Yellow would make him look like Renamon.
I thought of brown but lol, that's already Chopper too, so I'm thinking only viable option now is Yellow.
Red would go pretty well with the outfit he's wearing. Blue would work.
Yellow would make him look like Renamon.
After the release of the recent chapter in Japan, I've seen a few Japanese fans theorize that Yamato could have a tsuki tsuki (moon) no mi that allows the user to do Sulong transformations at any time and would also fit the 2-9 pattern. I don't think it's particularly likely but I'd like it immortalized in writing here that someone else called it in case Oda goes the wacky route and that's actually the fruit
So it would be one of these DFs in a strange category like the unknown type Egg Egg Fruit of Tamago which appears to be part Paramecia and Part Zoan. I can see it working and if so, as much as I hate to say it, it would kill Carrot's chances for good as a crewmate. Granted, would Yamato only be limited to the one form we see now, or could Yamato alter/change her form at will?
That said, I did speculate over a Moon Moon Fruit, but rather as a logia, as the moon is a natural force of nature affecting the tides and such. Maybe, if this crazy idea ended up true, the DF could be part Zoan and Logia?
Wouldn't surprise me if there's a fourth category of DF, that being a Hybrid type.
@Galleon:
Wouldn't surprise me if there's a fourth category of DF, that being a Hybrid type.
After Katakuri's "special paramecia", and whatever is going on with Black Maria's spider body having a face, and yes, Tamago, it would not shock me if Oda just says "screw it" and does invent an actual fourth category for extreme rarities basically only seen at the end of the grand line.
Like for one reference this is a random screenshot I took from a 5ch thread months ago that had a 2929 discussion going that includes ki=9 in a lot of combinations
I'm dumb.
Ki キ comes from kyu キュ
I'm dumb.
Ki キ comes from kyu キュ
And this is why us non-native speakers shouldn't try to guess word play puns that have a crazy ammount of variation based on even the parts of the word and their spelling. Too vast and easily stretched.
I did some research (a.k.a. wikipedia, but let's be honest what other resources do we have) and Inari feels like another possibility for Yamato. Another source.
Keep in mind I know nothing about them other than reading, so if anyone knows them better feel free to correct me.
There are a few things that feel like they fit Yamato.
There's a lot that doesn't fit though, but doesn't hurt to throw more ideas into the pot. Altough I'm not certain Oda would make a deity into a zoan. Buddha is one thing, other deities are different.
And this is why us non-native speakers shouldn't try to guess word play puns that have a crazy ammount of variation based on even the parts of the word and their spelling. Too vast and easily stretched.
Yup. Though I'm not trying to come up with new guesses, just trying to understand the ones other and especially Japanese people make, also with an interest in the language itself
And this is why us non-native speakers shouldn't try to guess word play puns
Keep that to yourself.
@Zar:
I did some research (a.k.a. wikipedia, but let's be honest what other resources do we have) and Inari feels like another possibility for Yamato. Another source.
Keep in mind I know nothing about them other than reading, so if anyone knows them better feel free to correct me.
There are a few things that feel like they fit Yamato.
- The close connection with foxes/kitsune, which Yamato's hybrid form does look like and which would neatly fill in the dog in the Momotaro reference. Altough according to the wikipedia article representing Inari themselves as a fox is sometimes discouraged.
- Being depicted as different genders and even androgynous.
- Association with among other things, agriculture and prosperity of a country. Fits well with someone wanting to bring prosperity back to Wano's starving population.
- The deity seems highly personalised with multiple interpretations, so Yamato's hard-to-idenfity appearance could actually fit.
There's a lot that doesn't fit though, but doesn't hurt to throw more ideas into the pot. Altough I'm not certain Oda would make a deity into a zoan. Buddha is one thing, other deities are different.
I think Hiyori is a good rep for Inari, with her wearing an inari fox mask and being connected with Onimaru.
After Katakuri's "special paramecia", and whatever is going on with Black Maria's spider body having a face, and yes, Tamago, it would not shock me if Oda just says "screw it" and does invent an actual fourth category for extreme rarities basically only seen at the end of the grand line.
Dont forget Karasus strange crow/raven fruit
And this is why us non-native speakers shouldn't try to guess word play puns that have a crazy ammount of variation based on even the parts of the word and their spelling. Too vast and easily stretched.
Oda has actually been very simple with the crew's DFs and even Sunny Go's name which only use the basic onyomi/kunyomi readings. The reason that there's a debate with Yamato and people trying to guess all these non-standard puns is that from what I can tell there's no possible onyomi/kunyomi zoan name that fits the pattern. So people are theorizing some out of the ordinary zoan or even veering into paramecia. Neko was the most popular because ko is kunyomi and ne was stretching a bit but not unprecedented in Japanese wordplay.
Just explain to me how you can stretch Moku Moku no Mi (Smoker's Devil Fruit) to fit the number theory. Get top people on it. Whatever it takes. That's all I'm interested in with number theory.
After Katakuri's "special paramecia", and whatever is going on with Black Maria's spider body having a face, and yes, Tamago, it would not shock me if Oda just says "screw it" and does invent an actual fourth category for extreme rarities basically only seen at the end of the grand line.
I agree. Tamago's DF hasn't yet been categorized, andHybrid sounds like a good name to use for such a unknown type:
Katakuri - Mochi Mochi no Mi: Paramecia/Logia (Paramecia is primary seeing it was told to be a Special Paramecia)
Tamago - Tama Tama no Mi: Zoan/Paramecia? (Zoan I put there because his power was mainly Zoan-like)
Only combo left out is a Logia/Zoan combination DF.
Given hair color and outfit he's wearing currently, white is a possibility. Brook is black &white, so it doesn't entirely step on that. But then Vivi is whtie-gold, so I dunno.
Hair color and horns fills the white, purple, AND red gaps they were missing for hair colors, but those colors are all spoken for as themes.
It's probably going to be a weird off color, given we're now at a point where Franky is light blue and Jinbe is ochre.
It would be teal/sea green. It's the color they used to represent him in the latest poll.
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The SH notably got their official colors, and other characters got fitting colors like dark orange for Ace, indigo for Sabo and wine red for Mihawk. Even Vivi got her "white gold" (which I think is supposed to mean pale gold).
Carrot is also lime green in that popularity poll image
Oda has actually been very simple with the crew's DFs and even Sunny Go's name which only use the basic onyomi/kunyomi readings. The reason that there's a debate with Yamato and people trying to guess all these non-standard puns is that from what I can tell there's no possible onyomi/kunyomi zoan name that fits the pattern. So people are theorizing some out of the ordinary zoan or even veering into paramecia. Neko was the most popular because ko is kunyomi and ne was stretching a bit but not unprecedented in Japanese wordplay.
Robin's fruit is the flower flower fruit. Yeah Oda threw in some flower petals to make it look nice and make sense, but that's not a name you would ever normally come up with for a "copy body parts" power. "Clone" or "copy" or "double" or something would have been the easy go-tos. He had to put some real thought into it to arrive at "flower". Its very nice and poetic and it works because Oda make it work artistically, but it's NOT simple and straightforward. If Oda had the number convention in mind by that point, (nd brook having the Yomi was going to be something he thought of ahead of time) that was pretty much the time he would have needed to start thinking weird to made things work since Luffy and Chopper were locked in. .
It would be teal/sea green. It's the color they used to represent him in the latest poll.
The SH notably got their official colors, and other characters got fitting colors like dark orange for Ace, indigo for Sabo and wine red for Mihawk. Even Vivi got her "white gold" (which I think is supposed to mean pale gold).
Probably teal then!
Might explain why Oda had such a hard time with Jinbe's.
@Zar:
I did some research (a.k.a. wikipedia, but let's be honest what other resources do we have) and Inari feels like another possibility for Yamato. Another source.
Keep in mind I know nothing about them other than reading, so if anyone knows them better feel free to correct me.
There are a few things that feel like they fit Yamato.
- The close connection with foxes/kitsune, which Yamato's hybrid form does look like and which would neatly fill in the dog in the Momotaro reference. Altough according to the wikipedia article representing Inari themselves as a fox is sometimes discouraged.
- Being depicted as different genders and even androgynous.
- Association with among other things, agriculture and prosperity of a country. Fits well with someone wanting to bring prosperity back to Wano's starving population.
- The deity seems highly personalised with multiple interpretations, so Yamato's hard-to-idenfity appearance could actually fit.
There's a lot that doesn't fit though, but doesn't hurt to throw more ideas into the pot. Altough I'm not certain Oda would make a deity into a zoan. Buddha is one thing, other deities are different.
I do think fox is most likely at this point, which Yamato's human-beast form resembling a combination of feline and canine aspects, which I think applies to foxes as well, so a model of the Inu Inu no Mi.
Well Kirin’s are supposed to represent or appear during the coming of a new king
So it would make sense for Yamato to be a Kirin if he’s going to be the crewmate of the next Pirate King
Maybe that’s why Kaido thinks it’s important because it Jump starts or sets off some sort of domino effect that brings about the new pirate king
Robin's fruit is the flower flower fruit. Yeah Oda threw in some flower petals to make it look nice and make sense, but that's not a name you would ever normally come up with for a "copy body parts" power. "Clone" or "copy" or "double" or something would have been the easy go-tos. He had to put some real thought into it to arrive at "flower". Its very nice and poetic and it works because Oda make it work artistically, but it's NOT simple and straightforward. If Oda had the number convention in mind by that point, (nd brook having the Yomi was going to be something he thought of ahead of time) that was pretty much the time he would have needed to start thinking weird to made things work since Luffy and Chopper were locked in. ..
I was referring to how to read the numbers represented by the syllables in the DF names. Not the powers or name meaning.
Well Kirin’s are supposed to represent or appear during the coming of a new king
So it would make sense for Yamato to be a Kirin if he’s going to be the crewmate of the next Pirate King
Maybe that’s why Kaido thinks it’s important because it Jump starts or sets off some sort of domino effect that brings about the new pirate king
Interesting. That might very much help make sense in reinforcing Yamato's presumed role in the story of helping bring the dawn to the world alongside Luffy.
I was referring to how to read the numbers represented by the syllables in the DF names. Not the powers or name meaning.
Sure… and my point was Oda can make a REALLY WEIRD name in order to get the numbers in the first place.
Interesting. That might very much help make sense in reinforcing Yamato's presumed role in the story of helping bring the dawn to the world alongside Luffy.
Yep! that's what I was thinking
I think were gonna learn about the dawn very soon and what it is exactly, and Yamto being a Kirin and jump starting the rise of a new Pirate King is definitely a plus for him joining
You know what, since the SH's most likely are going to end up being 11 in total, perhaps, there's also going to be a 0.11 DF user, and we're not seeing it, cause we already made out our minds that only 2.9 is lacking.
If Yamato is a Kirin, then the leader would more than likely be Momo, not Luffy.
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The entire post-timeskip has been leading up to this moment and while the SHs have grown and taken down a number of villains, the end goal has always been helping Wano and ultimately realizing Oden's dream.
If Yamato is a Kirin, then the leader would more than likely be Momo, not Luffy.
The entire post-timeskip has been leading up to this moment and while the SHs have grown and taken down a number of villains, the end goal has always been helping Wano and ultimately realizing Oden's dream.
Momo is already treated as a king though. Everybody already kneels down and obeys his words, way before Yamato's introduction.
Plus, right now, Yamato's "kirin" form is being used with Luffy's return in mind.
You know what, since the SH's most likely are going to end up being 11 in total, perhaps, there's also going to be a 0.11 DF user, and we're not seeing it, cause we already made out our minds that only 2.9 is lacking.
The reason a 2.9 fruit is likely according to DF Number Theory is because adding the numbers making up the crew's Devil Fruits (56, 110, 87, 43) together along with 29 adds up to 325 (san-ni-go => Sunny-go).
Adding an 0.11 or 11.0 fruit into the mix throws the math off. Same reason it's specifically a 2.9 fruit, and not a 9.2 one.
Momo is already treated as a king though. Everybody already kneels down and obeys his words, way before Yamato's introduction.
Plus, right now, Yamato's "kirin" form is being used with Luffy's return in mind.
He's not a king. No one outside of Wano even knows who he is since Wano itself is isolated. To go from being an unknown on the world stage to one who "will guide the world" means that he's far more significant than Luffy. And since a Kirin represents the "imminent arrival or passing of a sage or illustrious ruler," there's a 99.9% chance that that's Momo. Luffy hasn't been foreshadowed as a sage or a ruler.
Kaido wants Yamato to be the leader of the New Onigashima
referred to him as a soldier (1019)
Kaido's relationship with Yamato is similar to Luffy and Garp
Akainu (top 5 character in the story) is called the red dog (plz correct me if I messed up the name)
As Kyoshiro, Denjiro referred to himself as the Shogun's dog
In the "My Bible" thread, I felt that if Luffy is the monkey and Marco is the pheasant, then Yamato might be the dog http://forums.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=54816&page=9&p=4063239&viewfull=1#post4063239
Yamato is meant to be the head of some military force or responsible for maintaining the physique of the crew. This doesn't overlap with Sanji's comment about the crew's bodies getting improvement (595) that barely gets focus anyway. This is like Franky and Usopp improving weapons for convenience. Nami getting novice ninja "training" from Shinobu. Or Luffy in Udon with kairoseki chains. Yamato is a fit man and tanks a lot of damage. Almost as if Kaido has purposely been building a soldier that could strive in his old Rocks era.
Not like every crew member could bulk up over night. Yamato doesn't have a huge muscular body anyway, but he can take on a lot. I can see it now. Yamato waking Nami and Luffy out of their sleep to do push ups like a drill sergeant. Probably have them wear weighted clothing. Maybe that rope thing that I see in so many manga is weighted.
Kaido didn't have the Orochimaru rope (whatever the sacred thing is called) in the flashback. He got it during his Wano tenure. Oden had one too. Raizo and some of the Oniwabanshu have it as well. Luffy's Tank Man might be the one to beat Kaido since he played sumo with Linlin and Urashima.
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Momo is already treated as a king though. Everybody already kneels down and obeys his words, way before Yamato's introduction.
Plus, right now, Yamato's "kirin" form is being used with Luffy's return in mind.
Pretty much Bobs points are bad as again Luffy is going to be King of the Pirates and the one who kick starts everything, Momonosuke isn't heading back up Luffy is.
Without Luffy nothing happens and the world stay as it is
I think if the Kirin devil fruit is going to bring about the era of a new King it would be the pirate king, you know the thing that’s been a staple of the series from the very first chapter
Seems like a big leap to think it would be talking about Momo but I guess people believe what they want to support there own head cannon (in this case Carrot joining)
Pretty much Bobs points are bad as again Luffy is going to be King of the Pirates and the one who kick starts everything, Momonosuke isn't heading back up Luffy is.
Without Luffy nothing happens and the world stay as it is
There's nothing bad about my "points" since they make sense in the context of what a Kirin represents, what Yamato said about Momo's importance, and Momo himself saying that he can't afford to die while reading Oden's journal. What evidence is there that the "King of Pirates" actually rules anything? The Pirate King is the freest person on the sea according to Luffy, not its ruler.
I think if the Kirin devil fruit is going to bring about the era of a new King it would be the pirate king, you know the thing that’s been a staple of the series from the very first chapter
Seems like a big leap to think it would be talking about Momo but I guess people believe what they want to support there own head cannon (in this case Carrot joining)
If Luffy was that important, then than why would Yamato have told Momo that he would be the one to guide the world to the dawn? The Pirate King doesn't rule anything. Roger never ruled anything. Luffy has never sought to rule anything. Momo intends to rule Wano at some point as the Shogun and open it up to the world. As a result, a kirin representing a ruler would most likely point to Momo. And it's much less of a leap than suddenly believing that Luffy will ever rule anything. And what the hell does Carrot have to do with Yamato possibly being a kirin?
It would be teal/sea green. It's the color they used to represent him in the latest poll.
The SH notably got their official colors, and other characters got fitting colors like dark orange for Ace, indigo for Sabo and wine red for Mihawk. Even Vivi got her "white gold" (which I think is supposed to mean pale gold).
Interesting that Luffy, Shanks, and Hancock are just different shades of red.
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There's nothing bad about my "points" since they make sense in the context of what a Kirin represents, what Yamato said about Momo's importance, and Momo himself saying that he can't afford to die while reading Oden's journal. What evidence is there that the "King of Pirates" actually rules anything? The Pirate King is the freest person on the sea according to Luffy, not its ruler.
Being king of the pirates has been referred to as king of the seas which is the same thing as ruler of the seas.
You seem to be avoiding what the word king actually means.
It doesn't really matter about Luffy's personal definition of the title. You seem to forget the title was given to Roger by others. He didn't come up with it or provide a meaning to it. He just ran with it.
A king actually isn't the the most freest person anyway.
@Zik:
Interesting that Luffy, Shanks, and Hancock are just different shades of red.
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Being king of the pirates has been referred to as king of the seas which is the same thing as ruler of the seas.
You seem to be avoiding what the word king actually means.
It doesn't really matter about Luffy's personal definition of the title. You seem to forget the title was given to Roger by others. He didn't come up with it or provide a meaning to it. He just ran with it.
A king actually isn't the the most freest person anyway.
A king must control a territory, Roger was never depicted to be one to 'control' the sea. As you said, other called him the 'king', he didn't claim to be the one. He enjoyed that notoriety, but that's a different thing. So the 'pirate king' title, as far as Roger went, was pretty symbolic and shouldn't be compared with the concept of a 'ruler'.
A king must control a territory, Roger was never depicted to be one to 'control' the sea. As you said, other called him the 'king', he didn't claim to be the one. He enjoyed that notoriety, but that's a different thing. So the 'pirate king' title, as far as Roger went, was pretty symbolic and shouldn't be compared with the concept of a 'ruler'.
This all thrown out of the window when Luffy is considered one of the few people in the world with an ability that's directly stated to represent the "qualities of a king".
It's a very dishonest argument to state Luffy is not a king because he doesn't want to control anything, when his entire lifestory has been making followers all around the world. He has a fleet of 5400 at his beck an call, regardless if he wants it or not. And has even been titled "The Fifth Emperor".
Luffy is not going to be an actual king, but that doesn't mean he's exempt of the king symbolism associated with Yamato.
This all thrown out of the window when Luffy is considered one of the few people in the world with an ability that's directly stated to represent the "qualities of a king".
It's a very dishonest argument to state Luffy is not a king because he doesn't want to control anything, when his entire lifestory has been making followers all around the world. He has a fleet of 5400 at his beck an call, regardless if he wants it or not. And has even been titled "The Fifth Emperor".
Luffy is not going to be an actual king, but that doesn't mean he's exempt of the king symbolism associated with Yamato.
First of all, I said "..the 'pirate king' title,as far as Roger went..". So, I am not ruling out something different Oda stored for Luffy. That said, I don't think having 'followers' makes you a king either. Dragon surely has far more followers than Luffy. He is still a 'rebel' in WG book.
If haki is concerned, then 'king' is surely more of a symbolic one. It rules out marines pretty much.
First of all, I said "..the 'pirate king' title,as far as Roger went..". So, I am not ruling out something different Oda stored for Luffy. That said, I don't think having 'followers' makes you a king either. Dragon surely has far more followers than Luffy. He is still a 'rebel' in WG book.
If haki is concerned, then 'king' is surely more of a symbolic one. It rules out marines pretty much.
I'm just saying that if we're all talking about symbolicism, then it makes no sense to focus on what's literal. Luffy is a symbolic future king, so Yamato's symbolicism can easily work for him.
Ehh, people already murdering each other about the symbolism of Kirin, even when we don't know if its a Kirin, and it lacks a ton of characteristics to be a Kirin..
wow.
Ehh, people already murdering each other about the symbolism of Kirin, even when we don't know if its a Kirin, and it lacks a ton of characteristics to be a Kirin..
wow.
The lack of those distinctive features is what pushed me to vote for the Oni/Bakeneko, kasha choice.
A king must control a territory, Roger was never depicted to be one to 'control' the sea. As you said, other called him the 'king', he didn't claim to be the one. He enjoyed that notoriety, but that's a different thing. So the 'pirate king' title, as far as Roger went, was pretty symbolic and shouldn't be compared with the concept of a 'ruler'.
Seems more like you're arguing with Oda about Roger being titled pirate king cuz he "conquered the grandline" via finding the last secret island in the New World.
There's nothing bad about my "points" since they make sense in the context of what a Kirin represents, what Yamato said about Momo's importance, and Momo himself saying that he can't afford to die while reading Oden's journal. What evidence is there that the "King of Pirates" actually rules anything? The Pirate King is the freest person on the sea according to Luffy, not its ruler.
If Luffy was that important, then than why would Yamato have told Momo that he would be the one to guide the world to the dawn? The Pirate King doesn't rule anything. Roger never ruled anything. Luffy has never sought to rule anything. Momo intends to rule Wano at some point as the Shogun and open it up to the world. As a result, a kirin representing a ruler would most likely point to Momo. And it's much less of a leap than suddenly believing that Luffy will ever rule anything. And what the hell does Carrot have to do with Yamato possibly being a kirin?
I don’t understand your points at all, what does it matter if he rules over stuff or not, he’s still gonna be the Pirate King and Kirin’s represent the coming of a new king, it’s not hard to get
I honestly have no idea what your talking about, it sounds like your making some super elaborate definition of what a king is so that it won’t apply to Luffy but will to Momo, so that in your mind means Yamato will stay with Momo and not join, meaning there’s a better chance Carrot will join and you can be right
That’s what it seems like anyway
Kaido wants Yamato to be the leader of the New Onigashima
referred to him as a soldier (1019)
Kaido's relationship with Yamato is similar to Luffy and Garp
Akainu (top 5 character in the story) is called the red dog (plz correct me if I messed up the name)
As Kyoshiro, Denjiro referred to himself as the Shogun's dog
In the "My Bible" thread, I felt that if Luffy is the monkey and Marco is the pheasant, then Yamato might be the dog http://forums.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=54816&page=9&p=4063239&viewfull=1#post4063239
Yamato is meant to be the head of some military force or responsible for maintaining the physique of the crew. This doesn't overlap with Sanji's comment about the crew's bodies getting improvement (595) that barely gets focus anyway. This is like Franky and Usopp improving weapons for convenience. Nami getting novice ninja "training" from Shinobu. Or Luffy in Udon with kairoseki chains. Yamato is a fit man and tanks a lot of damage. Almost as if Kaido has purposely been building a soldier that could strive in his old Rocks era.
Not like every crew member could bulk up over night. Yamato doesn't have a huge muscular body anyway, but he can take on a lot. I can see it now. Yamato waking Nami and Luffy out of their sleep to do push ups like a drill sergeant. Probably have them wear weighted clothing. Maybe that rope thing that I see in so many manga is weighted.
Kaido didn't have the Orochimaru rope (whatever the sacred thing is called) in the flashback. He got it during his Wano tenure. Oden had one too. Raizo and some of the Oniwabanshu have it as well. Luffy's Tank Man might be the one to beat Kaido since he played sumo with Linlin and Urashima.
https://i.imgur.com/NxNvcZd.gif
Yamato has been compared to a soldier and captain, and has been consistently shown defending or safeguarding someone whether it be Luffy or Momo, and probably the other scabbards since her face off towards Kaido was shown right after Kinemon got hurt by Kaido, as if to suggest that Yamato is holding Kaido off not just for Luffy but pretty much everyone else that could get caught in his crossfire, implying some bodyguard sort of role.
I don’t understand your points at all, what does it matter if he rules over stuff or not, he’s still gonna be the Pirate King and Kirin’s represent the coming of a new king, it’s not hard to get
I honestly have no idea what your talking about, it sounds like your making some super elaborate definition of what a king is so that it won’t apply to Luffy but will to Momo, so that in your mind means Yamato will stay with Momo and not join, meaning there’s a better chance Carrot will join and you can be right
That’s what it seems like anyway
My point is very simple. IF Yamato's DF is a kirin, then it warrants looking at what a kirin represents. A kirin represents the "imminent arrival or passing of a sage or illustrious ruler." If Oda is going that route, then the ruler that makes the most sense is the one that Yamato said will guide the world. That's Momo. That's the only point I'm making.
Show me the post where I said that Yamato being a kirin means that he's going to stay with Momo, which means that Carrot is more likely to join. I'll save you the time. I didn't and it would be great if you could not put words in my mouth. Yamato being a kirin could represent Momo's ascension as a ruler and still be a viable SH. They aren't mutually exclusive.
My point is very simple. IF Yamato's DF is a kirin, then it warrants looking at what a kirin represents. A kirin represents the "imminent arrival or passing of a sage or illustrious ruler." If Oda is going that route, then the ruler that makes the most sense is the one that Yamato said will guide the world. That's Momo. That's the only point I'm making.
Or the ruler is Orochi that will pass or Kaido since he was really ruling Wano and his own territory as a yonkou.
It can double as more than one thing as well as Luffy ascending to king of the pirates.
No reason it only has to be Momo.
So after the latest chapter, is anyone here at least a little more inclined to feel that Yamato joining alongside Luffy and his journey makes sense for the story?
@Zik:
Seems more like you're arguing with Oda about Roger being titled pirate king cuz he "conquered the grandline" via finding the last secret island in the New World.
No, I am simply not inclined to extrapolate what Oda revealed till now. I have alredy said that for Luffy it could be different.
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So after the latest chapter, is anyone here at least a little more inclined to feel that Yamato joining alongside Luffy and his journey makes sense for the story?
The way Oda set him, it fits. Oden joined Roger at the last leg of the journey.So, Yamato,who inherited Oden's will, also going to do the same with Luffy.
@Zik:
Or the ruler is Orochi that will pass or Kaido since he was really ruling Wano and his own territory as a yonkou.
It can double as more than one thing as well as Luffy ascending to king of the pirates.
No reason it only has to be Momo.
I never said it had to be. I said it most likely would be.
He's not a king. No one outside of Wano even knows who he is since Wano itself is isolated. To go from being an unknown on the world stage to one who "will guide the world" means that he's far more significant than Luffy. And since a Kirin represents the "imminent arrival or passing of a sage or illustrious ruler," there's a 99.9% chance that that's Momo. Luffy hasn't been foreshadowed as a sage or a ruler.
So after the latest chapter, is anyone here at least a little more inclined to feel that Yamato joining alongside Luffy and his journey makes sense for the story?
Well yeah she repeatedly said that she wants to go out to the sea (last chapter afaik she reminded us that she want to go with Luffy). There's no way she stays in Wano especially after Kaido lost
The statements about leaving make sense and adds to his case, but then he mentions fighting for Wano as another thing keeping him on the island. The things Yamato says about sailing out get erased by statements like that.
Tama has spent a bunch of time with Nami, Chopper and Usopp. When she's with Momo, I see retainer potential. There were many opportunities to pair Carrot with Momo since Zou because it makes the most sense. Even when Carrot told Kinemon to leave finding Momo to her and Nami, I thought "maybe Oda finally starts the Carrot retainer stuff". He didn't. He just gave it to Yamato. He even made Luffy direct him to Momo. Oda could've easily have Luffy say "Carrot, you fit more with Shinobu, protect Momo". He didn't. He gave it to Yamato.
Even away from Momo and finally fighting Kaido (which some in this thread said was going to be alongside Luffy), Yamato can't help but bring his ties to Wano back into the equation after making the declaration of going with Luffy.
I can see Yamato resolving this on his own before fighting side by side with Luffy against Kaido. It would put the retainer employment to rest finally.
Yamato is fighting for Wano just as much as Usopp was fighting for Syrup Village, Sanji for the Baratie, Nami for Cocoyashi Village, Chopper for Drum and Jimbei for Fishman Island. Yamato is willing to risk his life just as much as all other Straw Hats were for their respective hometowns. It's explicitly said in the last chapter, Yamato's handcuffs are one reason he hasn't left yet, the other one being that he can't just leave Wano behind while it's still in Kaido's hands. Again, just like all other Straw Hats couldn't just leave their hometowns while they were being threatened.
Yamato ditched Momo as soon as they thought themselves safe. Momo immediately gave Yamato his blessing to do what he's itching to do. Even after protecting Momo, after declaring Yamato's resolve to offer his life for Momo's safety, one of the first things he says to his father, after spending dozens of chapters building up the tension of their eventual first confrontation on panel, is "We're going to drive you out of Wano and then I'm going to leave with Luffy", and "Luffy is the man Oden was waiting for".
The retainer theory is dead.
At this point I think ppl are still clinging to the Yamato as retainer theory, in hope for it somehow to increase the chance of other character to join Luffy.