American Politics: A Brand New Day
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Joe says what we've all thinking. Now I have to go see what Christopher Cuomo and my girl Rachel Maddow are saying.
I had to rewatch it after reading some replies, but it looks like she is holding an onion in that towel. Nominee for best supporting actor 2021?
OMG I totally see it.
Guess who's music carer died in the capitol yesterday:
https://www.loudersound.com/news/iced-earths-jon-schaffer-was-among-the-angry-mob-storming-the-us-capitol
Like seriously who is this prick?I've never heard of Iced Earth, but it seems all the other Hard Rockers are not of his mindset. Thankfully.
Trump continues to be pathetic. He doesn't understand that his Twitter account is suspended.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/after-inciting-capitol-riot-trump-whines-to-advisers-why-cant-i-tweet
Someone call the waaaah-mbulance.
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The last ten minutes of Brianna Keilar's show on CNN today was amazing. She ripped Trump, Rudy, and GOP to shreds. I only been watching Brianna's show for a couple months, she have become one of my favorite news host.
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Take this as an outside observer, but if you take golden age Simpsons (S1-S9 pre Armin Tamzarian) as a satire of the current american society at the time, you probably could grasp that you guys been a third world people shielded by a first world economy and the most expensive militar force in the world.
I know it's not fair to judge based on a satirical production, but you can start seen the radicalization of the politics spectrum and the corporate takeover from the '77 NY Blackdown throwards; and since then in only went south.
I meant that I agreed with you. Perhaps I've given you the impression that I'm a US citizen but that's not true. I lived in the states for 5 years starting 2015. As I lived in Florida, I've seen a lot of shit. I'm back home in India now, which is considered third world country. The event last night were quite appalling but everyone saw it coming.
Oh and you maybe onto something again here…
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I meant that I agreed with you. Perhaps I've given you the impression that I'm a US citizen but that's not true. I lived in the states for 5 years starting 2015. As I lived in Florida, I've seen a lot of shit. I'm back home in India now, which is considered third world country. The event last night were quite appalling but everyone saw it coming.
Oh and you maybe onto something again here…
.Sorry for the confusion.
But yeah, political analysts like to purple write - actually talk - their subject, but if you KNOW a wee bit of history you see that patterns emerge fall and remerge, the players change but the game remains the same. -
i'm still kind of relieved that this didn't end up as an American tiananman squre .
This in a nutshell, really.
When I heard of it in a live broadcast I thought the police would just kill them all - or at least enough of them so the rest would start to run. I thought there would have been no way the US law enforcement behaves like ours, not even in the liberal Washington. That's how low I was thinking of the status quo in the US. I could have comprehended it given the circumstances (like civilians having easy access to military weaponry & the protestors being wackos and nazis), but I won't pretend that police brutality doesn't disgust me. Yes, I would prefer that people do not get killed, even if I despise their attitude or if they defile an institution with their presence or what.
Then you wake up to 4 people dead (4 too many) and the riot dispersed. In which world isn't this good news given the circumstances, if we disregard that it shouldn't have happened in the first place?
The linked videos are hard to swallow, but you can still charge the guy in the nazi shirt, remove the officer who took a selfie with the protestors, force a few higher ups to resign, disband the unit responsible for opening the gates. They still live after all. You have them on cam. Get them?And politically speaking? You have been validated, all of you. Well, most of you. You can wave this in people's face for the next few years and (hopefully) use it as a catalyst to adjust the system for the better. I've read the link Green vs. Red posted, it's rough.
That said, Biden's first response on the matter was easily the best speech I heard of him up until now. I didn't have the best impression of him during the campaign, but it seems he found his role as the president and he fills it well.
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I'm beyond emphaty with those who play the system for political gain, and their useful idiots. I am glad that it wasn't my choice.
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Here's the final segment from Brianna Keiler's show that I was talking about earlier.
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https://www.rawstory.com/trump-insurrectionists/
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This idiot got fired:
And this one two:
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And Capitol Police refused help from the DOJ and FBI
https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-riots-police-coronavirus-pandemic-9c39a4ddef0ab60a48828a07e4d03380 -
And Capitol Police refused help from the DOJ and FBI
https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-riots-police-coronavirus-pandemic-9c39a4ddef0ab60a48828a07e4d03380Granted given how iffy the leadership at the DOJ and FBI is I can kinda sorta see them going their own way on this (even as police departments across the country are quick to accept handouts from the Federal Government when it comes to gear, weapons, & money) but this combined with the other story demonstrates there was a massive fuck up all around.
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I hope that while Biden is president, they create laws to keep this from ever happening again. This just shows how lost the Republicans party is, this just shows how messed up Trumpsters are, what happened yesterday was an act that should never happen in the future.
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One last story for the day
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/capitol-trump-insurrection-explosions/
“Trump says to go home in peace!” a man wearing an American flag bandana screamed. “He’s the commander in chief. He’s telling us to go home!” “I can’t go home, I drove all the way from Arizona!” a woman chirped in response.
“This is not America,” a woman said to a small group, her voice shaking. She was crying, hysterical. “They’re shooting at us. They’re supposed to shoot BLM, but they’re shooting the patriots."
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A little too late but fricken finally. He knew already he lost, he wasted everyone's time, he encouraged the insurrection that was to be his last bid to stay in power only to just now condemn them which sounds more like "You've failed me". After he leaves, the Republicans needs to reform themselves and let go of the Southern Strategy if they are to survive.
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@joekido:
I hope that while Biden is president, they create laws to keep this from ever happening again. This just shows how lost the Republicans party is, this just shows how messed up Trumpsters are, what happened yesterday was an act that should never happen in the future.
Laws like what?
Sedition, treason and using force to invade and destroy government property are already all illegal.A law placing further limits on the president's free speech would be unenforceable and probably not hold up in court.
If the voters and the representatives they elect continue to choose to enable and protect blatantly anti-democratic and totalitarian behavior then we're screwed in the long run.
Even if we attempt to place further restrictions on fascist, seditious or dishonest media outlets the Trump cultists will just scurry to the next Stormfront-level hole in the internet.
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Maybe is time to update the constitution a wee bit, non?
And crack down hard on white supremacist, come on no matter how many layers of torr they be using the NSA has the resources to track them down. It's time to make hate crimes life sentence and hate speech have fines as outrageous as the medical bills. -
Laws like what?
Sedition, treason and using force to invade and destroy government property are already all illegal.A law placing further limits on the president's free speech would be unenforceable and probably not hold up in court.
If the voters and the representatives they elect continue to choose to enable and protect blatantly anti-democratic and totalitarian behavior then we're screwed in the long run.
Even if we attempt to place further restrictions on fascist, seditious or dishonest media outlets the Trump cultists will just scurry to the next Stormfront-level hole in the internet.
How about creating laws that will prevent another Donald Trump from taking office?
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@joekido:
How about creating laws that will prevent another Donald Trump from taking office?
how that's a law i can get behind
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So this facts check?
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Frankly, I'd rather the Democrats use their new majority to prevent a second Mitch McConnell from happening. A lot of this is his fault, and it's hurt the country that the Senate can't do anything. I feel like that'd be a lot more useful.
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More from Legal Eagle, although he says he'll do another vid later going over the various laws that have been violated:
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-insurrectionists/
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This idiot got fired:
And this one two:
Good.
And Capitol Police refused help from the DOJ and FBI
https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-riots-police-coronavirus-pandemic-9c39a4ddef0ab60a48828a07e4d03380The National Guard, hell the fucking Army, needs to be in place on Inauguration Day. the Capitol Police are just not going to cut it, as they have made painfully obvious.
Maybe is time to update the constitution a wee bit, non?
Overdue, really. But getting an amendment passed is tough and takes forever. In one case it took a war.
One last story for the day
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/capitol-trump-insurrection-explosions/
Oh dear, they were supposed to shoot BLM but not you? Well that's a damn shame, honey, guess that's what happens when you're violent protest.
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@joekido:
How about creating laws that will prevent another Donald Trump from taking office?
I can't think of any possible effective laws that would accomplish that.
Frankly, I'd rather the Democrats use their new majority to prevent a second Mitch McConnell from happening. A lot of this is his fault, and it's hurt the country that the Senate can't do anything. I feel like that'd be a lot more useful.
That seems a lot more achievable than attempting to ban any potential fascists from running for president.
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Overdue, really. But getting an amendment passed is tough and takes forever. In one case it took a war.
And another a bunch of moralists claiming that alcohol was a devils tools that would doom the youth and the nation. Not surprisingly the same morons advocate that chemical addiction is due to "bad character and morals" and are por the wastefull war on drugs.
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Overdue, really. But getting an amendment passed is tough and takes forever. In one case it took a war.
And another a bunch of moralists claiming that alcohol was a devils tools that would doom the youth and the nation. Not surprisingly the same morons advocate that chemical addiction is due to "bad character and morals" and are por the wasteful war on drugs.
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The National Guard, hell the fucking Army, needs to be in place on Inauguration Day. the Capitol Police are just not going to cut it, as they have made painfully obvious.
Probably isn’t a good time to mention if it’s not already been mentioned the woman who got shot and died was former Air Force and also a Trump supporter. You can’t really trust the military either when they have a substantial number of people in their ranks who support and propagate the problematic views that both mainstream and fringe republicans support.
Even if we attempt to place further restrictions on fascist, seditious or dishonest media outlets the Trump cultists will just scurry to the next Stormfront-level hole in the internet.
That maybe true but things would certainly be better if places like Twitter and YouTube would better moderate their platforms so we have less James Woods, Kirstie Alley, & Trumps spouting bullshit and being assholes who never get banned permanently for their routine.
It would also help if the non conservative media would stop being flakes who don’t know how to do their jobs and engage in throwing out fluff pieces or being willfully ignorant regarding optics and transparency. And for the love of god STOP PUTTING PEOPLE LIKE MEGHAN MCCAIN ON TV. You can get an opinion from a right leaning pundit without said pundit demonstrating why no likes listening to conservatives.
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Reminder, THIS is what the police line looked like for the peaceful BLM protests.
I can't think of any possible effective laws that would accomplish that.
Allow minority leader to bring things to a vote, so the majority leader can't just sit on stuff indefinitely. Or just make it rule "bills that pass either chamber must be voted on within 10 days." You can put some kind of limiter so it's not abused, but one guy shouldn't be able to grind everything to a halt forever. Like supreme court nominations.
McConnel only has power because he shields the other reps from having to vote on bills they'd face consequences for voting no on.
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I can't think of any possible effective laws that would accomplish that.
They could start by making it mandatory for presidential candidates to release their tax returns.
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Xena always was better.
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I actually binged both series recently while working.
Xena was definitely the better show.
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Oooo, good burn, Lucy.
In other news, the FBI tweeted asking for people's help identifying various instigators of the riot. They replied accordingly.
https://secondnexus.com/fbi-information-capitol-attack-trump?fbclid=IwAR15fcHLbUKOV9woWeRsSKTVhulEPUaxx_gdMCfmB4RIzKiKyUdK9XDkzNISeriously, if they can find a masked BLM protestor using an Etsy review, they can find these guys.
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Allow minority leader to bring things to a vote, so the majority leader can't just sit on stuff indefinitely. Or just make it rule "bills that pass either chamber must be voted on within 10 days." You can put some kind of limiter so it's not abused, but one guy shouldn't be able to grind everything to a halt forever. Like supreme court nominations.
McConnel only has power because he shields the other reps from having to vote on bills they'd face consequences for voting no on.
I think you misread my post.
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Tweets being posted showing screenshots from the depths of Hell of Trumpers going fucking crazy. Some harsh statements ahead, mind you.
I'm seeing conspiracy theories along the lines of "Trump's concession and terrorist statement was a deepfake" "They've offed Trump and we're going to find out soon enough" "We have dirt on all of Congress that will put us on the winning side". All absurd shit that they honestly believe in an attempt to deny that things are going HORRIBLY for them.
Meanwhile, riots are getting worse as Trump morons are overstepping their boundaries and getting rightfully counter acted. Hell, this story is a trip:
BLOOD WARNING (woman gets punched in the face, causing a bloody nose)
-Officer gets her masked yanked by rude rioter.
-Officer proceeds to punch her in the face in response.
-Crowd shoves officer back to the wall of officers, until a friend of punched woman attempt to punch said officer herself.
-Officers immediately reaction, SHOWERING rioters with mace
-Camera pans back to punched woman who is hugging her husband in fear while drenched facially in her own blood
-AND TO ADD THE CHERRY ON TOP: The daughter of this couple has outed BOTH of them AND the friend (the girl's aunt) in retaliation toward her parent's cruel treatment of her for being a lesbian and for trying to defend BLM, which they claimed, "…is too violent to be worth any sympathy."You love to see it.
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Meanwhile, riots are getting worse as Trump morons are overstepping their boundaries and getting rightfully counter acted. Hell, this story is a trip:
BLOOD WARNING (woman gets punched in the face, causing a bloody nose)
-Officer gets her masked yanked by rude rioter.
-Officer proceeds to punch her in the face in response.
-Crowd shoves officer back to the wall of officers, until a friend of punched woman attempt to punch said officer herself.
-Officers immediately reaction, SHOWERING rioters with mace
-Camera pans back to punched woman who is hugging her husband in fear while drenched facially in her own blood
-AND TO ADD THE CHERRY ON TOP: The daughter of this couple has outed BOTH of them AND the friend (the girl's aunt) in retaliation toward her parent's cruel treatment of her for being a lesbian and for trying to defend BLM, which they claimed, "…is too violent to be worth any sympathy."You love to see it.
The officer should’ve had a Twisted Tea in her hand.
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That would be nice but it wouldn't prevent the rise of another Trump.
I dunno, this seems like a heavy blow to the american far right.
Proud boys are fighting cops.
Pigs are eating pigs.
Now the fascies are starting to hate even Trump. The right is imploding and fracturing. If they keep feeling so betrayed by Trump, this reduces the chance of many of the fascies from ever being politically active again, due to not trusting the next 'Murcasolini to pop up, or Trump's next run. Of course the far right will eventually make a comeback, but this really feels like the absolute best case scenario for the victory of america over its fascists.Also:Betsy DeVos Resigns, Citing Trump’s ‘Rhetoric’ in Capitol Riot
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That was a great burn by Lucy. Meanwhile, Trump continues to being pathetic.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-reportedly-wailed-at-pence-i-dont-want-to-be-your-friend-anymore
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The officer should’ve had a Twisted Tea in her hand.
Unfortunately the officer lost her job.
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I wonder how many white male police officers lost their job after using self-defense
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I wonder how many white male police officers lost their job after using self-defense
You mean after firing six warning shots? I think we can count on the hands.
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I dunno, this seems like a heavy blow to the american far right.
Proud boys are fighting cops.
Pigs are eating pigs.
Now the fascies are starting to hate even Trump. The right is imploding and fracturing. If they keep feeling so betrayed by Trump, this reduces the chance of many of the fascies from ever being politically active again, due to not trusting the next 'Murcasolini to pop up, or Trump's next run. Of course the far right will eventually make a comeback, but this really feels like the absolute best case scenario for the victory of america over its fascists.Also:Betsy DeVos Resigns, Citing Trump’s ‘Rhetoric’ in Capitol Riot
When extremists get denied democratic solutions to their violent changes, they abandon the democratic part, not the violent part. This isn’t even decapitated yet until Q-anon is found, and at this point I guess they are a bunch of 40+ year old men with deranged personalities or a very high payed Russian troll farm.
I have no idea how to truly fix this, but there is a jail.
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I'm still expecting some attempts at secession before it is all over.
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Also:Betsy DeVos Resigns, Citing Trump’s ‘Rhetoric’ in Capitol Riot
Protest nothing. She doesn't want to be part of the cabinet when they have to vote on removing him under the 25th. She was leaving in two weeks anyway so no harm to her.
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Qanon is basically the /pol/ version of "my uncle works on Nintendo trust me" type of rumor.
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It’s really nice that many people, public figures or not, are finally turning on Trump.
But personally, I am going to find it hard to forgive anyone who willfully ignored the obvious signs from the start that this is exactly the kind of president he would be. In my mind, if you were a Trump supporter or enabler once, then you always will be.
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Qanon is basically the /pol/ version of "my uncle works on Nintendo trust me" type of rumor.
Can’t remember if this has been shared here already, but here’s an interesting and thoughtful article about QAnon and how it employs the theory behind Alternate Reality Games (ARGs). Written from the perspective of an ARG designer. Very insightful, kind of terrifying.
https://medium.com/curiouserinstitute/a-game-designers-analysis-of-qanon-580972548be5
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Can’t remember if this has been shared here already, but here’s an interesting and thoughtful article about QAnon and how it employs the theory behind Alternate Reality Games (ARGs). Written from the perspective of an ARG designer. Very insightful, kind of terrifying.
https://medium.com/curiouserinstitute/a-game-designers-analysis-of-qanon-580972548be5
Good article but to sum:
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@MDL:
Unfortunately the officer lost her job.
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Dumb as the reasoning for firing her was, probably for the best considering how worse the reason behind Capitol Police Officers being put at risk continues to get.
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Oh Randy you beautiful mensch, what a present.
Also:Betsy DeVos Resigns, Citing Trump’s ‘Rhetoric’ in Capitol Riot
I would sing along, but given that there's only two more weeks, it's pointless and she's just fleeing the sinking ship so she doesn't get dragged down with the others. Bitch.
@MDL:
Unfortunately the officer lost her job.
Pretty sure any officer, any PERSON really, is allowed to fight back if they are attacked first.